Template:Did you know nominations/Tea production in Bangladesh
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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Tea production in Bangladesh
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... that tea production in Bangladesh occurs near sea level and includes the world's three largest tea plantations?
ALT1: ... that the tea industry in Bangladesh includes some of the world's largest tea plantations?ALT2: ... that the tea trade in Bangladesh began in the port city of Chittagong in 1840?ALT3: ... that tea processing in Bangladesh began in 1857 with the first tea factory of South Asia in Sylhet?- ALT4: ... that Tea production in Bangladesh began in 1840 when the first tea garden in the Indian subcontinent was set up in the port city of Chittagong?
Created/expanded by Merchant of Asia (talk). Self nominated at 01:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, image is free use, no copyvios, citations that are there are ok, and quite interesting article but:
- Needs more inline citations - rule of thumb is that there should be at least one per paragraph and there are several paragraphs (which include meaty facts) with no citations.
- Some references have bare urls
- The hook contains 2 hooks: sea level and 3 largest tea gardens. The citation in the article doesn't justify "near sea level" IMO. In any event, would be hookier to just have the three largest tea gardens hook, which is clearly supported by the source.
- DeCausa (talk) 14:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
- I took another look at your source for the three largest tea plantations hook, bangladesh.com, and, sorry, but I'm not sure it's a WP:RS. I can't see evidence of editorial control. I looked around for other sources and came across this and this (which may not be any more reliable) which say that the largest is in India and the second largest in Indonesia. So I think you'll need to come up with a better source, or change the hook altogether. DeCausa (talk) 12:18, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- @DeCausa:, I've added more references and citations. I agree on an alternative hook. How would these sound-
- ALT1: ... that the tea industry in Bangladesh includes some of the world's largest tea plantations?
- ALT2: ... that the tea trade in Bangladesh began in the port city of Chittagong in 1840?
- ALT3: ... that tea processing in Bangladesh began in 1857 with the first tea factory of South Asia in Sylhet? --Merchant of Asia (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- The last two could potentially work, but they don't quite match what's in the source. With regard to the first one, the source says that the first pioneering plantation was set up in 1840. With regard to the second, the source says the first commercial plantation was established in 1857. Also you should avoid pipelinking the article. I suggest you go with a hook that says "... Tea production in Bangladesh began in 1840 with the establishment of the first tea plantation in the port city of Chittagong?" But:
- You need to change the sentences on 1840 and 1857 in the article itself to reflect what the source says.
- You still have lots of bare urls to fix
- Some of the new citations I haven't been able access but will AGF. Subject to the above it should be good to go. DeCausa (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: it's perfectly fine to pipe the article's title. It's actually preferable to pipe if it produces a better hook. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Changed the sentences on 1840 and 1857. Interestingly I found another source, which says the subcontinent's tea industry dates back to 1840. Can this provide another alternative hook? Otherwise I'm perfectly ok with yours.--Merchant of Asia (talk) 14:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that looks good. If, in the article you amend the History section, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence to "... when Europeans set up the first tea gardens in the Indian sub-continent beside..." then you'd get a pretty good hook with something like "... the Tea industry in Bangladesh dates back to 1840 with the first tea plantation in the Indian sub-continent?" Are you going to fix the bare urls? It can't go forward without that done. DeCausa (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- @DeCausa: They're all done now. Below is my take on what the hook should be.-
- ALT4: ... that Tea production in Bangladesh began in 1840 when the first tea garden in the Indian subcontinent was set up in the port city of Chittagong?
- Yes, that looks good. If, in the article you amend the History section, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence to "... when Europeans set up the first tea gardens in the Indian sub-continent beside..." then you'd get a pretty good hook with something like "... the Tea industry in Bangladesh dates back to 1840 with the first tea plantation in the Indian sub-continent?" Are you going to fix the bare urls? It can't go forward without that done. DeCausa (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- The last two could potentially work, but they don't quite match what's in the source. With regard to the first one, the source says that the first pioneering plantation was set up in 1840. With regard to the second, the source says the first commercial plantation was established in 1857. Also you should avoid pipelinking the article. I suggest you go with a hook that says "... Tea production in Bangladesh began in 1840 with the establishment of the first tea plantation in the port city of Chittagong?" But:
- I took another look at your source for the three largest tea plantations hook, bangladesh.com, and, sorry, but I'm not sure it's a WP:RS. I can't see evidence of editorial control. I looked around for other sources and came across this and this (which may not be any more reliable) which say that the largest is in India and the second largest in Indonesia. So I think you'll need to come up with a better source, or change the hook altogether. DeCausa (talk) 12:18, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
