Template:Did you know nominations/Theodore de Korwin Szymanowski

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The result was: promoted by Montanabw^(talk) 22:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Theodore de Korwin Szymanowski

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Korwin Szymanowski c. 1885

... that Theodore de Korwin Szymanowski, one of the earliest promoters of an economic blueprint for a Unified Europe in 1885, planned for a customs union, a central bank, and a single currency under common statistical control?

Created by Po Kadzieli (talk). Self-nominated at 15:06, 25 June 2016 (UTC).

Comment. User's first DYK. I edited the hook for grammar/style. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:13, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Piotrus, at 222 prose characters, the hook is far too long and has been struck. Perhaps you could propose an ALT hook that's under the 200 character limit, either new, or edited down? (I'm also pinging the original nominator's talk page.) Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
How about this for ALT1:--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

ALT1: ~~... that Theodore de Korwin Szymanowski, one of the earliest promoters of a Unified Europe, proposed a customs union, a central bank, and a single currency as far back as 1885?~~

Interesting biography and topic, on good sources, non-English sources accepted AGF. The ALT is fine, but consider fewer links. You want readers to click on him, not central bank ;) - Article: please format all bare references by giving titles, - in the references it's just moving the link to the titles. Too many for me to do it ;) - You don't need any references in the lead as long as the facts are references in the body, but it doesn't hurt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I think the article needs some reference fixes. Quite a few paragraphs lacked end-of-paragraph citations, and I have concerns over referencing of individual sentences. Some books have no page given. References 10 seem to be primary (by the subject), suggesting WP:OR for those paragraphs(and the hook is based on refs 11 and 12). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:15, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Piotrus, your help is highly appreciated, as I speak neither French nor Polish. Po, nice to meet you! More questions may come up, patience please, I am rather busy these days, and deliver in portions I think are easy to handle, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

By fewer links I means something like

ALT2: ... that Theodore de Korwin Szymanowski, one of the earliest promoters of a Unified Europe, proposed a customs union, a central bank, and a single currency as far back as 1885? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello Piotus and Gerda, Iam going to have to visit the Polish Library to get page numbers for Chylińska and Norman Davies. I too am v. busy, but I will try this evening. I can't find the signature icon. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing citation elements supplied from access at British Library on 28 June 2016. (talk) 21.04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. A stylistic thing is still there, called bare url, - we don't want to show the url, only link to it. Example:

* Viansson-Ponté, L. 1836-1913, Les Jésuites à Metz : Collège Saint-Louis, 1622-1762, Collège Saint Clément, 1852-1872 par L. Viansson-Ponté. Published 1897, see p.426. https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?lookfor=%22%20Coll%C3%A8ge%20Saint-Cl%C3%A9ment%20(Metz,%20France)%22&type=subject&inst=

You can fix it simply by saying:

* Viansson-Ponté, L. 1836-1913, Les Jésuites à Metz : Collège Saint-Louis, 1622-1762, Collège Saint Clément, 1852-1872. Published 1897, see p.426.

You could also go a step further, for a more standardized look, saying:

* Viansson-Ponté, L. (1897). Les Jésuites à Metz : Collège Saint-Louis, 1622-1762, Collège Saint Clément, 1852-1872. p. 426.

Try it. As for signature, the four tildes are below for me, to be copied, - look around, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Gerda. It worked. Perhaps the numerous references to Żurowski vel Grajewski's (all one Polish name - I have met him) Postface and notes can be reduced to 1, 2, 3, etc. with just the page numbers, but I have not yet found a template for how to do that. Kind regards, Po Kadzieli (talk) 16:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! - Yes, if you want different pages for the same source, you can list the ref in a biography section, and call it by a template (Harvard citation), {{sfn|author|year|p=xy}}. It's only a little step further. Compare BWV 161, for example, - copy what you like. You can do that for just the book with several pages, or for all (as in the cantata), where the Dürr ref is used with several pages. You will notice that the ref number will take you to a ref in the reflist, which links to the full source. - Less elegant, you could have the book in the Bibliography and call by "author, p. xy", but it will not produce the link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Amazed by BWV 161 clarity and counterpoint of the article - can almost hear the music! Shall try to focus on the template presently. Thank you for tremendous encouragement. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 02:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Same source pages seem to have progressed. New hitches have occurred over his surname: TKS, as an acronym, had to be disambiguated! Then, the different forms of his name, unlike Bach's, undergo changes across country and time. Hence the contemporary Polish version now appears in red in the publications section. In the 19th c. no hyphen in his name either in France or in Poland. Now in Poland there is a hyphen. I have stuck to the way his name appears on original publications in France. Thank you so much for your patience. Po Kadzieli (talk) 01:59, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I am impressed, and not impatient, - no deadline to make in this case. Decide on one spelling and explain the others, - if too long, in a footnote (compare the one after "BWV 161" in the cantata). No authorlinks to him in references, anyway, as they would only go back to the same page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I have however reached my Waterloo in that I am stumped by what is best for spellings. I have put a note under the Publications heading. Maybe the seasoned Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here has a suggestion? I await meanwhile. Po Kadzieli (talk) 11:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

For alt spellings, we have WP:REDIRECTs (I just created one for Théodore de Korwin Szymanowski. If this is about a - in his name, I think a note is fine, but instead of a italicized text in the publication section I'd suggest a proper footnote, separate from the reference section. See for example how this is done in Józef Piłsudski. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

This nomination has been stalled for a month. I have read the discussion above and see no reason why this nomination should not proceed with ALT2. The article meets the DYK criteria of newness and length, hook facts citation, neutrality and policy. I have blanked one paragraph without a citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)