Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Wallace (RAF officer)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Wallace (RAF officer)

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~~... that Thomas Wallace lost his commission after going AWOL but rejoined as a Sergeant and went on to down seven planes in three weeks?~~ Aces High source 1 in article
- ALT1:~~... that Royal Air Force pilot Thomas Wallace received the Distinguished Flying Medal for downing seven planes and four probables in the space of three weeks?~~ Aces High or Men of the Battle of Britain (source 2)
- ALT2:... that during World War II, Royal Air Force ace Thomas Wallace lost his commission but nonetheless joined the volunteer reserve, where he downed seven enemy aircraft in a space of three weeks?

Reviewed: Jitse Groen

Created/expanded by Gbawden (talk). Self-nominated at 18:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC).

Hiya Gbawden, I have a couple questions here. First, can you explain what makes the Traces of War website a reliable source? Second, can you give a full citation for ref #4? Otherwise, under the DYK criteria this article passes #1 (new enough), #2 (barely, at 1,563 characters), and #3 (complies with major policies, excepting the issues noted above). The hooks are short enough and cited to Aces High: A Tribute to the Most Notable Fighter Pilots and Men of the Battle of Britain, books I don't have access to but will accept on good faith. I've added an ALT2 that seems a bit cleaner than the others (I'd welcome your feedback) and will add a checkmark once the concerns above are addressed. Best, Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, a quick addendum. Assuming Traces of War is reliable, it contradicts the information that's in this article.

Traces of War: "His commission was terminated on July 1st after he was court-martialled for being absent without leave for two days in June to visit a girl whom he met in London. He was down-graded and became a Sergeant-Pilot and and was posted to 111 Squadron at Croydon from No1 Recruit Centre, ..."
The article: "He promptly joined the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve with the rank of Sergeant ..." (bolding is my emphasis in both)

Did he join a different service or was he downgraded within the service he was already a part of? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

ed17 Hi Ed. Thanks for your help. I have remove Traces of War - I should have used it in the first place. Wynn says that he was court martialled and his RAF commission terminated so no longer an officer. Wynn goes on to say that he then joined the RAFVR as a Sergeant. ALT2 is a bit cleaner in this regard. 07:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gbawden! This is

ready to go. ALT2 is recommended. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gbawden: none of the hooks say which air force he served in. Yoninah (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment Hi @Yoninah: I have added in a mention that he served in the RAF. Thanks Gbawden (talk) 07:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. @The ed17: ALT2 is over 200 characters. Yoninah (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, yes, that tends to happen when words get added. ;-) I've shortened ALT2. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Restoring your tick. Yoninah (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Gbawden: it's not clear why you submitted as a QPQ a review that another editor already completed. Actually, you don't need to submit any QPQ until you have 5 DYK credits. Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, I came to promote this but we need page numbers for the two book refs please. Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, Gbawden has far more than five prior DYK credits; indeed, there are six in the past year alone (I checked their talk page history), so a proper QPQ will be needed. (Battle of Mine Creek cannot count because, as you note, someone had done a complete review and approved the nomination the day before Gbawden posted their review.) BlueMoonset (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

For clarity @Yoninah: Should I do another QPQ? Sorry wasn't aware that the QPQ couldn't be of one that was already reviewed.

@Gbawden: yes. There's no point in having two reviews on the same nomination, unless the first one identified a problem and asked for a second reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 15:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: That makes sense. Thanks Gbawden (talk) 10:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Page numbers and QPQ submitted. We're all set. Yoninah (talk) 12:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)