Template:Did you know nominations/Warren Angus Ferris

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Warren Angus Ferris

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... that while with the American Fur Company, Warren Angus Ferris was one of the first to map and describe Yellowstone?

Reviewed: Jersey Red Ensign

5x expanded by Amgisseman(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC).

Expansion not long enough 3,372 bytes to 13,286 bytes is only 4x. Verne Equinox (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Consider also,

ALT1:... that while employed by the American Fur Company on an expedition to map the Rocky Mountains, American surveyor and trapper Warren Angus Ferris was one of the first to map and describe what is today Yellowstone National Park.?

@Verne Equinox:When I use the DYK check tool, it says that it's 5x expanded, assuming the edits started on the 28th, which is when Amgisseman started expanding the page. Would it be eligible for DYK in that case, or is DYKcheck inaccurate for some reason on this page? Thanks. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@Rachel Helps (BYU): On March 19, before expansion began, the character count was 2,007. As of the last edit on October 3, the character count is 8,104. (The character count does not include the indented blockquote under American Fur Company.) This is just over a 4x expansion. (Note to @Verne Equinox:: DYK articles are measured in character count, not byte count. You can use this Javascript tool to determine character count.) Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Yoninah, when I run DYKcheck against the the March 19 edit, it gives me 1,544 prose characters, not 2,007. DYKcheck gives me 8,098 when I run it against the current version of the article, and tells me—as it told Rachel Helps (BYU)—that this is a 5x expansion that started on September 28, which makes sense since a 5x of 1,544 is only 7,720. As you note, the character count does not include the blockquote, which is in both the March 19 and the current version. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, BlueMoonset, I erroneously included the blockquote in my character count of March 19. Excluding the "inline" sources, I find 1,509 characters in the March 19 version, making this nomination indeed a 5x expansion. Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

My apology for using the wrong counting methodology. Thank you for the expansion and the nomination. Verne Equinox (talk) 17:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Confirming character counts for old version as determined by BlueMoonset, so this is sufficient expansion. The article is now big enough. It is neutrally written, though in a strange style using "would" excessively. But this won't stop the DYK. The second paragraph in Warren Angus Ferris#American Fur Company has a broken reference, with what looks like a page number range, but nothing that it is from. Hopefully it is an easy fix. Otherwise all is referenced. No copyvios. QPQ preformed. Hook ALT0 is short enough. Hook ALT1 is excessively long, so I am striking this. The main hook is in the article and cited, although not online to confirm. However other websites mention it, so I don't think this is a hoax. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you @Graeme Bartlett: for the review. I changed some of the wording in the article to be less awkward and more politically correct. I also fixed the missing reference. Please let me know if any more issues arise. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

reference fix confirmed. OK to proceed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)