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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 16:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Werner Schuster (politician)

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Moshi, Tanzania, with Mount Kilimanjaro in the background

Created/expanded by Moonraker (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment: at 213 characters, the hook is too long. How about:
  • Length, date and picture are all fine. The hook (which is too long, see above) is in the citation given, but not clearly stated in the article. That is, it says he founded an organisation in Idstein, with the aim of achieving development projects in Moshi, but it does not say (as the source and hook do) that he established partnership between Idstein and Moshi. ALSO, I would avoid the phrase "civil partnership". StAnselm (talk) 03:05, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • This is a bad habit I must cure myself of. I caused the length problem by tweaking the hook to add the picture, editing it to try to keep within 200 characters, but not enough. (Sorry, Gerda!) Gerda's original hook was under the 200, as follows

    ... that Werner Schuster, who was concerned with health policy, Africa and the fight against AIDS as a member of the Bundestag, founded civil partnership between Idstein and Moshi in 1985?

    I have now edited the relevant paragraph in the article to bring it into line with all of the hooks suggested above, including Alt1, which is quite neat. I agree that "civic partnership" is a better translation of Bürgerpartnerschaft and have used that. Moonraker (talk) 05:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the above, including the word "civic"! Please let's try not to tweak hooks, rather provide alternatives, to keep the discussion transparent. Here is what I remember as the original which I prefer because it shows his standing as a member of parliament and his topics. Whoever doesn't know which mountain is on the pic can click. Much more could be said about him, for example "...that German politician Werner Schuster proposed that 10% of the gross national product of rich countries be spent on combatting poverty in the Third World?"
ALT3 The original hook tweaked + pictured: ... that Werner Schuster, who in the Bundestag was concerned with health policy, Africa and the fight against AIDS, founded a civic partnership between Idstein in Germany and Moshi (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • What's going on here? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • The problem seems to be that no one has approved a hook of the correct length. Gerda is proposing Alt3, which seems all right to me, but then it's my article. Moonraker (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • ALT3 does look okay, but it needs some tweaks. I'd suggest removing the links to Germany, health policy, and AIDS. I'd also straighten Bundestag as it is a proper name. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, what makes germanwatch.org a reliable source? Some of those references need to be cleaned up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know that source, but it seems to display a reliable press release. What does need to get sourced? The dates for chancellor and H W-Z? In their articles. The naming of the house? [1]. The (translated) quote? Believable, I would say. This has the date of the opening of the house, a symposium named after him in 2008 and a pic of his widow and H W-Z. This has date and title of the symposion.
ALT4 ... that Werner Schuster, who in the Bundestag was concerned with health policy, Africa and the fight against AIDS, founded a civic partnership between Idstein in Germany and Moshi (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I like ALT4. We should be careful with germanwatch.org, as its hosting of the press release may or may not be a copyvio. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • It's a 2003 press release, don't you think it would have been noticed by now as copyvio if it was? What do you think about the additional links? ref? ext? - I would wait for the author's opinion. I like the quote in the end as a summary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • The other references seem okay (Bundestag, Der Spielgel). I'd add a bit more information to the Bundestag reference, like what language it's in, but that's not necessary. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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