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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 21:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Why seek ye the living?

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Why seek ye the living among the dead? by Stanhope

... that Charles Villiers Stanford composed the anthem for Easter "Why seek ye the living?" on Luke 24:5–7 (scene pictured) for mixed choir and organ, when he was organist at Trinity College, Cambridge?

Reviewed: Alan Abel (musician)
Comment: best for Easter, 16 April. - The article has a music section, hidden because the public score was regarded as not reliable. Help with finding a printed copy of the score welcome!

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC).

Minor error corrected in the hook (it's not "the" Trinity College). The article gives the impression of being rather padded-out to make the minimum DYK requirements. The article includes some irrelevant material about Gounod - I fail to see why it's relevant that Stanford wrote another piece for the 1885 Birmingham Festival, which had performed in 1882 a piece by Gounod which included these words which Stanford set in 1890. The article contains no source, for example, to say that Stanford was inspired by this, or even that he was present at the 1882 performance. We then have some irrelevant mentions of other anthems that Stanford composed based on the New Testament - this is an article about this piece, not about Stanford's composing trends. And then you mention that it's been performed on Easter Day, which is hardly a surprise for an Easter anthem. Strip out the irrelevancies, and all we have is that (a) Stanford wrote this for choir and organ when he was organist of Trinity College Cambridge; (b) it was published in 1890 and republished in 1993; (c) it sets some words from Luke's Gospel about events on Easter morning. It strikes me as too stubby for DYK, and properly trimmed as I suggest it would fall below the DYK minimum text anyway. I've looked for an online copy of the score to replace the unreliable source we'd previously discussed but haven't had any luck either, and as I said on my talk page this isn't an anthem of Stanford's that I know. Incidentally, what is the current position on linking to Wikisource in DYK hooks? Bencherlite ^Talk 16:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughts and corrections. What do others think about "too stubby for DYK"? I restored some of the music section, like the plot section of a book. - Wikisource from the Bible has been used, for example in Nun bitten wir den Heiligen Geist, in a hook that is permanently on my user page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

We can all check the Bible, so the use of a wiki to source sentences from the Bible can be easily overcome if there's an issue. We can't all check the score of this piece, and you can't get round that by using an unreliable source. Bencherlite ^Talk 09:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

The bible link is for convenience, not for sourcing. I assume in good faith that the person who uploaded this score, in 2002, was able to copy correctly, text, tempo markings and music, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I withdraw the nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)