- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:23, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Yosef Avidar
Yosef Avidar in 1960
... that Israeli commander and statesman Yosef Avidar (pictured) met his future wife Yemima Avidar-Tchernovitz when he was sent to Vienna for treatment after losing his right hand in a lesson on how to use grenades?Source: https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/tchernovitz-avidar-yemima- ALT1:
... that Israeli commander and statesman Yosef Avidar (pictured) changed his name from "Rochel" to "Avidar" based on an acronym of his daughters' names?Source: https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/tchernovitz-avidar-yemima
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Created by Dunutubble (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC).
- New enough. Long enough (barely - 1526 characters). Within policy. Hook is interesting due to the circumstances of their meeting, and is short enough. Inline citations support the hook. Looks good Dunutubble, the issue is you are missing the QPQ. Ping me when you have done that. Onel5969 TT me 13:15, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Onel5969, I don't know how many DYKs I've nominated. Looking at my DYK awards I only have two, less than five. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 14:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The hook is 199 characters long which is just below the hook length requirement and thus puts it in discretionary territory. Perhaps instead of mentioning his wife's full name, "future wife" could be linked to her article instead? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT0a
... that Israeli commander and statesman Yosef Avidar (pictured) met his future wife when he was sent to Vienna for treatment after losing his right hand in a lesson on how to use grenades?
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- Something like this I guess. The hook is still a bit on the long side so may be a way to make it more concise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
suggestions: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT0b: ... that Israeli diplomat Yosef Avidar (pictured) met his future wife after a grenade accident?
- ALT0c:
... that Israeli diplomat Yosef Avidar (pictured) met his future wife with a bang?- ALT0b is good if the hook won't go in the quirky slot, ALT0c is my preferred suggestion should a quirky slot is preferred. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Onel5969: Dunutubble appears to be AWOL, so I'm happy to provide one of my own QPQs if necessary. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: They appear to still be editing and in fact just edited today, so it may be worth waiting a few days at least before doing so. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5 - don't do DYK very often (I think this is my first in almost 7 years), so I would defer to either of those alts. And both you Theleekycauldron, is there a way to determine if an editor has the required 5 DYKs that would kick in the need for a QPQ?Onel5969 TT me 11:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Onel5969: The easiest way to do that right now with the shift to nominations is to search this updated JSON on which Dunutubble does not appear, so they are QPQ exempt. A contributions search suggests this is their third DYK. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5 - don't do DYK very often (I think this is my first in almost 7 years), so I would defer to either of those alts. And both you Theleekycauldron, is there a way to determine if an editor has the required 5 DYKs that would kick in the need for a QPQ?Onel5969 TT me 11:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: They appear to still be editing and in fact just edited today, so it may be worth waiting a few days at least before doing so. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Upon further reflection and given the current discussion at WT:DYK regarding the AK-47 hook, I'm having doubts about ALT0c. ALT0b may still be suitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same. we'll need more feedback for ALT0b. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- All these hooks failed verification. The word "statesman", which is subjective and IMO often a form of boosterism, is not even in the cited source, which describes Avidar as "Militaire, diplomate. - A été ambassadeur d'Israël en URSS et en Argentine." (t · c) buidhe 02:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Changed the wording to diplomat, does that work? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- All these hooks failed verification. The word "statesman", which is subjective and IMO often a form of boosterism, is not even in the cited source, which describes Avidar as "Militaire, diplomate. - A été ambassadeur d'Israël en URSS et en Argentine." (t · c) buidhe 02:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same. we'll need more feedback for ALT0b. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- on ALT0b. Nominator did not need to pass the QPQ requirement, having only 2 DYKs. Onel5969 TT me 10:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Regrettably, after recent edits, the article is too short for DYK at 1428 prose characters, so it's being pulled from Prep. Please expand the article so it meets the minimum 1500 prose characters, preferably with more beyond that, as it's fairly thin at the moment. Pinging Dunutubble and promoter SL93 to let them know of this development. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)- @BlueMoonset: I found the source and added the sentence back in. There is a lot more content on the Hebrew language page. --evrik (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, evrik. I've also done a bit of editing (sorry for any edit conflicts!), and added his parents' names from that same new source; DYKcheck now says 1599 prose characters. Onel5969, please check to be sure things are still good with the article after the recent edits and if so give it a new approval tick so it can get repromoted. The link to the new source that worked for me is here; Safari did not like the shorter version in the article. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
after new changes. 1599 characters, so long enough now. As before, new enough. Within policy. Hook ALT0b is interesting due to the circumstances of their meeting, and is short enough. Inline citations support the hook. That other citation does not work as formatted in the article, so needs to be changed to the format as per BlueMoonset. Wasn't sure if I should do it or not, so left it alone. Onel5969 TT me 20:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- The third reference doesn't work for me. The page says that Google Translate can't translate it and it sent me to an unsafe website message on the Edge browser. I still went to the website and it says 403 Forbidden. SL93 (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- SL93, did you try the link I posted above at 19:32? I've just put it into the article, so it should work from you there. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- The third reference doesn't work for me. The page says that Google Translate can't translate it and it sent me to an unsafe website message on the Edge browser. I still went to the website and it says 403 Forbidden. SL93 (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, evrik. I've also done a bit of editing (sorry for any edit conflicts!), and added his parents' names from that same new source; DYKcheck now says 1599 prose characters. Onel5969, please check to be sure things are still good with the article after the recent edits and if so give it a new approval tick so it can get repromoted. The link to the new source that worked for me is here; Safari did not like the shorter version in the article. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
