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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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Yves Gaucher (artist)

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  • ... that Yves Gaucher, a Canadian artist, was expelled from the College Brebeuf for drawing "immoral pictures" which were actually copied from his textbook?

Created by 069952497a (talk). Self nominated at 20:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC).

  • Seems good, though I'd repeat the reference right after the sentence which explains why he was expelled. LAcitizenz (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I am concerned that some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "In 1970, Gaucher began to create works consisting entirely of broad horizontal stripes of clashing colours, which would later come to be called colour band painting. He would also explore the diagonal line and arranging planes of contrasting colours in order to disrupt space, expressing his interest in theories of chaos" with "In 1970, Gaucher began to paint broad horizontal stripes of clashing colours in a style that would come to be called colour band painting. Several years later, he would explore the diagonal line, arranging flat planes of antagonistic colours to disrupt space, expressing his interest in theories of chaos". Nikkimaria (talk) 02:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Okay, that one example has been sufficiently paraphrased (I think). Are there any others? 069952497a (U-T-C-E) 12:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes: another example is "Gaucher had distanced himself from printmaking, and instead began to study the work of the New York Modernists, including Barnett Newman and Mark Rothko. He was particularly interested by their use of geometric shapes, flat colour planes and large canvases" vs "he distanced himself from print-making and began to re-examine the art of the New York Modernists including Barnett Newman and Mark Rothko. He was drawn to their geometric shapes, flat colour planes and large canvases". Nikkimaria (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I've gone ahead and corrected pretty much everything I could find with the Dup Detector. Please let me know if there are more examples of close paraphrasing. 069952497a (U-T-C-E) 19:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
  • The problem with Duplication Detector, though, is that it catches only parts that are identical to the source, but misses those that, while not identical, are still to closely paraphrased. For example, "use more colour contrasts and irregular patterns in his artwork, instead of rational geometric relationships." is closely paraphrased from but not identical to "free of rational geometric relationships by using irregular patterning and colour contrasts". Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
  • On second review I find this good 2 go.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
  • BabbaQ, I'm afraid that's not acceptable. Nikkimaria pointed out close paraphrasing remaining in the article on July 22, which is a violation of DYK rules, and the article has not been edited since, meaning that a serious problem still remains. 069952497a wasn't notified of the issue until July 29 and is on vacation for the next few weeks, so it may be some days until a response is made, but the paraphrasing must be dealt with before the article can be reviewed again, and someone who is better versed on close paraphrasing should be the one to check it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Then I suggest you find one.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I have been notified of the issue, and will continue to try to improve the article. 069952497a (U-T-C-E) 20:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks for working on this, 069952497a. The first and third paragraphs of Modernism could use a bit more rephrasing, but otherwise this is looking good. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • With a couple more tweaks to that third para, this should be ready to go. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I have made further improvements to the third paragraph. 069952497a (U-T-C-E) 13:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
  • And this is now good to go. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
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