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Azab dan Sengsara

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• ... that Azab dan Sengsara is widely considered the first Indonesian novel?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that in 1920 Balai Pustaka brought Pain and Suffering to Indonesia?

ALT2 ... that the main character's forced marriage to someone other than his cousin is a main plot point in Azab dan Sengsara?

ALT3 ... that the theme of forced marriage is shown in Azab dan Sengsara by the main character being unable to marry his cousin?

A couple hookier hooks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Shinde Chhatri (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:

Hook

• Length, format, content rules: Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Source: Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Interest: Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Image suitability, if applicable: none proposed Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• ALT hooks, if proposed: Several interesting hooks proposed. Alt1 is the hooky-est but might be considered misleading. Hooks need real-world connection as per "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way." Sharktopus ^talk 16:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT4 ... that Azab dan Sengsara, widely considered the first Indonesian novel, includes both pantun and syair? (I note that both "pantun" and "syair" are mentioned in the first (Indonesian) reference describing the novel. I think this hook would add a touch of mystery.) Sharktopus ^talk 17:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Article

• Length: Sharktopus ^talk 16:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Vintage: Sharktopus ^talk 16:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Neutrality: Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Checked English sources and Google translation of first reference. No issues. Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Copyvio: Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: ok Sharktopus ^talk 17:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

With the original hook, or with ALT1, or with ALT4, if it meets Crisco's approval. Sharktopus ^talk 17:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I prefer ALT1. The articles on both pantun and syair are not up to par, so they'd be considered "unexploded bombs". Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The original would be okay too. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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