Template talk:Find sources multi

Please update Google news archive search link

Could a kindly admin please update the link for Google news archive search at Template:Find sources multi/gnews? Please see the thread at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 44#Google news archive search? for background. Please also see the instructions at https://support.google.com/news/answer/1638638?hl=en under the "Search newspaper archives" heading. I believe the part that includes +{{urlencode:{{{5}}}}} }}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1 needs to be updated to have site:google.com/newspapers instead, but I don't know the exact details. This request probably needs an admin familiar with template syntax. Thanks for the help. 64.40.54.208 (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Striking previous request. 64.40.54.93 (talk) 08:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Not done for now: It looks like there is still some discussion going on at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 44#Google news archive search? and this particular change didn't improve the results any. Perhaps the link should be removed all together until a suitable replacement can be found? Technical 13 (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

@Technical 13: thanks for the note. Glad to see you've got the template editor permission since you're one of the more technically advanced editors on the project. "Perhaps the link should be removed all together until a suitable replacement can be found?" Yep, I agree with that, but I'll wait for another day before requesting the link be removed in order for others to see the VPM thread and try to modify {{X10}} to produce a useful search result. As it is now, that search is essentially useless. Thanks for the help. 64.40.54.139 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

• Remove Gnews link It's obvious that whatever the solution is going to be, it will be much more involved than a simple tweak of this template. So the Google news link needs to be removed for now. Please remove the Google news link from this template. Please refer to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 44#Google news archive search? for the related discussion. @Technical 13: do you want to handle this, or should I reactivate the sudo? 64.40.54.93 (talk) 08:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• I've re-activated the request for now. This is a fairly tricky one because each link in this template is actually a call to a sub-template and it is called from multiple different templates. This means it is not a cut and dry remove X code from {{Y}} template. I don't have the time to try and dig all of this code out right now, but will look at it again later unless someone who already knows these templates sees this request and pops it out in the mean time. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Although I will note, I think I have found the transclusion in the primary template so it should be gone from "most" places it was used. Let's give this a day or three to run through the job queue and I'll take another look at the transclusion list in the template namespace on the whatlinkshere page and see if I can't clean up the rest. Technical 13 (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Rather than remove the link from this template, it would be better to just change the calling templates to not call it. Template:Find sources is the most important, and there are also Template:Find sources 2, Template:Find sources 3, and Template:Find sources 4, if memory serves correctly. That should get most of the transclusions. If any are left after that it shouldn't be hard to track them down. — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ^{♪ talk ♪} 13:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, I have now removed the Google News links from all four of the templates above. Most of the transclusions are on pages that aren't visited very much, so they might take a couple of weeks to filter through the job queue, depending on how heavily loaded it is at the moment. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:08, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you 64.40.54.34 (talk) 04:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

gfreeimages

doesn't actually find google free images as some of the images it finds falls under "nd" (NonDerivative) ...The google search links shows "&tbs=sur:f&tbm=isch" when it should actually be showing "&tbm=isch&tbs=sur:fmc" with mc referring to commercial modification...please fix...--Stemoc (talk) 01:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

@Stemoc: I tried your suggestion in Template:Find sources multi/gfreeimages/sandbox. Does that do what you want? Also, we should probably exclude Wikipedia and Commons from the search, as now they account for a good portion of the matches. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 04:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC)'

yep, that how its supposed to be and yeah, i always add (without quotes) "-*.wikipedia.org -commons.wikimedia.org" in the search field next to the search word (in quotes) cause it keeps finding those images on wikimedia...--Stemoc (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

• Don't we want people to find and use free images already on wmf servers if they exist? Technical 13 (talk) 05:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

if that person has a picture on wikimedia, just by doing a search on commons (or a multimedia search on wikipedia) may find the pic (unless it was uploaded 24 hours ago) but more importantly, people keep adding "unfree" images and claim it as their own and some even directly download from flickr/picasaweb and then upload to wiki as their own..p.s this is gfreeimages (google free images) so looking for free images on other sites, maybe add an option to search for images within wikimedia too but generally its for finding images that cannot be found on wikimedia.--Stemoc (talk) 05:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I've updated the template. It's now excluding wikipedia.org and wikimedia.org. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

CORE open access

I'd like to have a link to CORE, which is an open access metadata repository. It has a search api and takes url requests for search terms. CORE would let us find relevant open access articles.

Here's an example url: http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/search/cancer would pull up open access articles about Cancer.

Is this within scope? How difficult would it be to add this to the multi template? Thanks! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 16:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ocaasi, it would actually be very easy to add if it was using the page name as the search parameter. I'm thinking about this, and also think it wouldn't be a terribly bad idea to write a companion script for this template that will allow you to enter a search term (maybe adjusting the spelling a bit or stripping of a subpagename or something like that). School has been closed for two days due to a bad winter storm, so I have very limited access today, but if there is interest, that should be easy to whip up tomorrow. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
• Technical 13, hey! I would love for you to whip something up to add CORE. It'd be perfectly ok to use the article title/page name as a search term. This would be an awesome development for surfacing open access content at articles. Your additional script idea sounds interesting; I'd like to see how it would work. Keep me posted and let me know if you need anything, even just testing, on my end. Cheers, Jake Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• Template:Find sources multi/core has been created (and is usable), but I'm out of data on my mobile plan to update the documentation and add it to the default list of links today. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 18:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

WorldCat

It would be very useful to add a WorldCat search to the template. https://www.worldcat.org/search?qt= Cwobeel (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Google News Archive Search functional again

Discussion moved to Template talk:Find sources – Add Google News and Google newspapers searches to the Find sources template. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

It seems that the Google News Archive Search is functional again (http://news.google.com/newspapers). Perhaps this should be added back to the template. An idea is to include Google News search (http://news.google.com) along with the Archive Search in the template. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The newspaper search has always worked, if I recall correctly. It's not quite the same thing as the old news archive search, though. It won't be too hard to add a link to the newspaper search here, but we would need to have a discussion at Template talk:Find sources to make sure there is a consensus to put it in the regular {{find sources}} template. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 07:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussion moved. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've added the Google Newspapers search to this template. It can now be used with the link code "gnewspapers". — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Google News recent

Currently {{Find sources multi/gnewsrecent}} produces [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22QUERY%22&tbm=nws Google News recent]. The URL here is bogus: it is resolved to standard Google Search (not even Google News) page with search box pre-filled with "QUERY". I tried to identify what "Google News recent" was supposed to mean on news.google.com, but I could not find anything relevant (apart from sorting results by date: https://www.google.com/search?q=QUERY&tbm=nws&tbs=sbd:1). Could someone hint me on Google News search options that were supposed to be used by this template? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 11:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The "recent" in "gnewsrecent" isn't a Google thing, but was to contrast this search with the "gnews" search, which searched news archives rather than current news items. Google has since discontinued the archive search. The URL code is correct - Google no longer uses a special "news" subdomain for news searches, at least not once you get past the main news page. News searches are now distinguished from other searches by the "tbm=nws" URL parameter, and if you check the results of your search link you will see that they only come from news sites. It might be a good idea to merge gnewsrecent into gnews, though, as there doesn't seem to be much hope of the archive search coming back. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree, these two should be merge. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 11:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Please use HTTPS for links to Google services

This template can produce links to a number of Google services, such as Google search and Google Books. These Google services support HTTPS, and using HTTPS for links to these services would provide increased privacy and security for users. To use HTTPS for Google services, the following changes would need to be made:

• In Template:Find_sources_multi/g, http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q= should be changed to https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q= instead.
• In Template:Find sources multi/gbooks, http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q= should be changed to https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q= instead.
• In Template:Find_sources_multi/gscholar, http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q= should be changed to https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q= instead.
• In Template:Find_sources_multi/gfreeimages, http://www.google.com/images?safe=off&tbm=isch&tbs=sur:fmc&q= should be changed to https://www.google.com/images?safe=off&tbm=isch&tbs=sur:fmc&q= instead.
• In Template:Find_sources_multi/gnewsrecent, http://www.google.com/search?q= should be changed to https://www.google.com/search?q= instead.
• In Template:Find_sources_multi/gnewspapers, http://www.google.com/search?&q= should be changed to https://www.google.com/search?&q= instead.

Thanks. --Elegie (talk) 00:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Elegie: From what I can see of the discrete changes, all you're adding is the "s" in "https", correct? --Izno (talk) 22:43, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: That is correct. --Elegie (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Done Izno (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Please use HTTPS for JSTOR link

The purpose of this edit is to provide increased privacy and security for users by having the template use HTTPS when generating a link to JSTOR. The JSTOR search appears to support HTTPS. In Find sources multi/jstor, please change http://www.jstor.org/ to https://www.jstor.org/ instead. Thanks. --Elegie (talk) 10:05, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Done Cabayi (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposal: remove unnamed params 3 — 5

Unnamed params 3 through 5 serve no purpose, and should be dropped. Currently, |1= provides "exact search" (double-quoted search) capability, and |2= provides unquoted (i.e. "normal") search. The other search terms provide no additional functionality not already provided by the second search term. This is a near copy of the proposal at Template talk:Talk header#Proposal: drop search_term3 and search_term4.

If the proposal is approved, here's a suggested implementation plan:

1. deprecate documentation: remove params 3 - 5 from the doc page
2. continue to handle params 3 - 5 but join their values with spaces between to the value of param 2 to create the expression passed as unquoted search term 2 of the query
3. search for transclusions of the template which use params 3 - 5 and modify them to append their values to param 2 with spaces between
4. remove params 3 - 5 from the template.

Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Remove NYTimes and all individual news outlets (per discussion on Village Pump)

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 209#Modify Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources Superb Owl (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Remove NYTimes Superb Owl (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Why? Sohom (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_209#Modify_Module:Find_sources/templates/Find_general_sources Superb Owl (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Superb Owl That is a RFC for a different template right? This template does not display the NYT link unless the callee particularly requests for the nyt link to be shown. Could be a bit more verbose wrt to your rationale behind this change. Why is allowing people to link to NYT a bad thing? Sohom (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the Strong Consensus that was reached for that template that searching individual news outlets:
"clutters the template, that search engines can provide links to many different publications at once, and that inclusion of individual outlets gave undue weight to them and the regions they represent. They also highlighted how inclusion could create various unwanted precedents in future discussions.

A small number of contributors in opposition asserted that including well-known examples of reliable sources in the template was important. Supporters refuted this position by noting that it would be difficult to provide a geographically-balanced list of individual publications."
I see both sides here, especially if it's not a default option. Superb Owl (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The only time a nyt link is shown is when the following wikitext is used: {{find sources multi|link1=nyt}} which produces New York Times. NYT is a reliable source and I don't see why we should remove the ability to link to it if a user/editor chooses to do so. Sohom (talk) 23:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. Marking this as consensus needed per the above. Sohom (talk) 13:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)