Template talk:Haryana elections

Combine multiple templates into one, categorize local assembly constituencies by district and national lok sabha constituencies

This one template replaces all other templates, this is more comprehensive, too many and less-informative templates confuse and add-clutter. Please replace all other templates with this one, this merges all into one, categorizes the data in more informative manner in one single place instead of having is spread across multiple temple that provides only half the picture. Thanks. Thecutehero (comment)

No, the addition of the constituencies was awful. You talk about clutter, but I have never seen a template so cluttered as this. There is no problem with having separate templates for constituencies – this is common practice across Wikipedia (I am aware of hundreds of election year templates, but none that contain the constituencies too). Number 57 19:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

its more aweful to have too many templates that cause more clutter and more maintenance issues and they only present half the information. Understand this, templates are there to present a easy-to-navigate, easy-to-understand, well-categorized and well-summarized info, Just because it is not as SIMPLISTIC or unidmensional or as half-baked as you are use to seeing or have personal preferences, does not mean it is aweful just because it packs more info in one simple and easy to understand intuitive template instead of having so many templates. Idea of template is combine pieces of jigsaw, what you have done is created multiple simplistic half-baked templates that present limited-views without completing the jigsaw. What i did is that it puts all the pices of, just because others did not use such a template before that means if someone comes up with a better and more comprehensive and well categorized template then lets start using it, wiki is about progressive improvement and not about staying stuck in a point-in-time based on precedence, wiki is about evolution of articles, templates, and so on. I understand India and its political system better than outsiders. India has local constituencies aligned to districts as well as to national level parliamentary seats. I came up with a template that shows local constituencies categorised by districts as well as by central government senate seats (lok sabha), this completes the picture in one place. Thecutehero (comment)

No, it's standard practice to have different templates for different things. You might want to try merging the two constituency templates ({{Haryana constituencies}} and {{Lok Sabha constituencies of Haryana}}), but the Lok Sahba one appears to be part of a series of similar templates, so you should probably check with someone who has edited them before messing around with it. Number 57 20:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I am alright with it if you have strong preference for keeping your template and no one touching it. I do not wasting time in edit wars and if there is a way for me to do just what I want (create another comprehensive template) then that is ok for me. Elections, constituencies in Haryana state are poorly documented (only 18 out of 90 exist and I have created the most). There are 3 types of stakeholders, your two separate templates meet the needs of two different types of stakeholders, m comprehensive template meets the need of all stakeholders in one unified way.

In India, state assembly constituencies are divided by district, a person might be interested in finding out about his state constituency as well as corresponding national parliament constituency and having separate templates does not provide that. Same way a district level govt officer or a political party official/activist may want to see all the state and national parliament constituencies within the district. Some times whole district and all its state assembly constituencies are assigned to a single national parliamentary, and there are cases where state assembly constituencies within a district are assigned to multiple national parliamentary constituencies (each state level constituency is assigned only to one national parliamentary constituency). A person looking from the perspective of national parliamentary constituencies, would have to deal with each state constituency as well as officials of all the districts within the national parliamentary constituency. Hence, having a template that maps state constituencies to national constituencies as well as grouped by districts is important, also important to denote if the are reserved for special classes (SC- scheduled castes, ST- scheduled tribe, Women, etc)

THIS IS WHAT I WILL DO I will create a separate comprehensive template. I have applied both your templates to all the constituencies I have created or edited. I will also apply my new comprehensive template there. That way people can use in future whichever the like, if more people think, we should merge, etc then it can be done in the future. I intend to slowly create the rest (18 done, 62 more to go).

PLS HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE REVERT PROCESS And, thanks, now I understand the process, if someone reverts then post on talkpage to discuss it. Now, what happens if I post on talk page and the person does not reply for few days, what is the process after that, re-post as a reminder? Still no reply then reapply the reverted changes? how does it usuall work - tips for most pragmatic and cordial way, without wasting time in arguing with people? How do you insert the time stamp in your signature?

SUGGESTION- BE GENTLER AND KIND And, please refrain from using words like, "aweful" etc, thats already pour salt over wonder after reverting people's hours of work, be respectful and polite if you are demolishing someone;s work, it goes a long way. Thanks. Thecutehero (comment)

OK, good luck with your new template, but please ensure that you don't include elections in it as this is the appropriate place for them (it is one of a series of hundreds on Wikipedia, and we seek to ensure consistency). Let me know if you need any help with the coding.

With regards to BRD, if someone reverts you but they do not join the discussion, I think you are within your rights to make the same edit a few days later. If they revert again, ask them on their talk page to join the conversation. If they don't, try again a few days later. If they revert again but still refuse to discuss, you should probably report them at WP:3RR.

You should be signing talk page comments using four tildes, i.e. ~~~~, which will add the timestampt automatically. You should also indent your talk page posts using the colons (add one compared to the line you are replying to) so that it follows a logical order.

And before you make suggestions to other editors on their behaviour, it's generally a good idea to check how you're behaving first – i.e. using phrases such as "half-baked". It's also generally considered very bad etiquette to claim that you know more about a subject than other editors because of where you live. I lived abroad and actually gave talks to people in that country on their own political system because I had a much more detailed understanding of it than many locals. Number 57 21:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

About the elections, you already saw what I did, Im planning to retain it, all-in-one, elections are just two-lines on top. About wiki-standards (consistency) I understand but thats evolving thing. I am seeing things from multiple end-user's perspective.

Thanks about the tips on sign, time stamp and

About the half-baked, I did not start it, I was pissed off at "aweful" after reverts with NO SPECIFIC, that is rather harsh and not a good way to provide non-specific revert with "aweful". I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE PRAGMATIC SPECIFICS that take things forward. I respect those who respect me :)

About creating other constituencies, there a lot of those to be created, my worry is if I create too many then someone will come along and start deleting (speedy delete, normal delete, start questioning NOTABILITY) or kick me out or revert/delete all for SPAMMING without realizing the importance of what I am trying to create, it may not be perfect but good start for people to refine once created. WHAT is the best way to avoid that SPEEDY DELETE, being thrown notability rules, etc. Today I created several state vidhan sabha constituencies in Hisar Lok Sabha, no one deleted or marked them for deleting yet. So I am waiting for few days before I create next lot of 5 or 6, if I knew no one is gonna delete/kick me out for spam then I can go ahead and keep creating. What do you suggest, fastest way to create acceptable ones, our experience so far?

Thanks, you already renamed some of the constituencies that I wanted to rename to the standard convention but did not know how. How do I rename, move, merge or add redirects to an article? e.g. HAU, Hisar should take the user to Chaudhary Charan Singh Haryana Agricultural University. Another example, I created this but misspelt it Western Yaumna Canal and it should have been Western Yamuna Canal, how do I rename it and I have referneced/linked to in several other articles, so how do i ensure that those older misspelt links will take ther reader to newer name-corrected article if we rename it? Sorry for too many questions, you seem to be much more experienced and willing to help. Whatever, we started, at least we can turn it to good, we both share the same passion, better to collaborate. jejeje. Thanks. Thecutehero (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe second-level constituencies are generally accepted as being notable, so I wouldn't worry about them being deleted. Just make sure you tag the talk pages with {{WikiProject Elections and Referendums}} – this will ensure any attempt at deleting them will appear on this alert page, which several editors (including myself) monitor. I will oppose any attempt to delete such articles. Just make sure your articles are in a decent state (e.g. being referenced) and there shouldn't be any problems.

To create a redirect, go to the place you want to create it, and just enter the text #REDIRECT [[Target page]] where "Target page" is the name of where you want it to redirect.

To move a page, use the move tab at the top of the article. Moving in this method will automatically create a redirect that sends all links to the new page. However, you can identify where these misspelt links are by using the "What links here" link on the left-hand side of the page - you can then go and edit those articles to correct the spelling.

No problem about the questions, happy to help. Cheers, Number 57 21:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)