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edit request: bilabial ejective fricative ɸʼ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fea8:2cdf:efc5:ed42:7a51:4231:a10c (talk) 05:04, 11 January 2018‎ (UTC)

We don't include sounds that are not attested in any language. The article Bilabial ejective fricative is a substub with no citation. We might as well delete it or turn it into a redirect. Nardog (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

velar vs uvular clicks

@Nardog: hey, the cells are too tight for both. Should we widen the table, or have separate velar and uvular click sections? — kwami (talk) 07:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not so sure if we need the closure components at all. The official IPA chart certainly doesn't have them. Nardog (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

The Handbook requires them. What the Chart calls 'clicks' aren't consonants at all, just the releases. As elsewhere, the simplification of the Chart can be misleading here. — kwami (talk) 07:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a source that explicitly says that? The wording on p. 10 of the Handbook strikes me as saying the velar/uvular symbol is merely optional: Since any click involves a velar or uvular closure, it is possible to symbolize factors such as voicelessness, voicing, or nasality of the click by combining the click symbol with the appropriate velar or uvular symbol. Nardog (talk) 07:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

It just says it's possible, which it is. That's like saying since any affricate involves a fricative release, it's possible to symbolize such factors as sibilance or laterality by combining the onset symbol with the appropriate fricative symbol. That wouldn't mean the fricative symbol was optional. On p. 20–21 they give the format for clicks, and all examples (which are either velar tenuis or velar oral aspirated) explicitly write the 'k'. — kwami (talk) 07:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

In Sands ed. (2020) Click Consonants (vol. 15 of Brill's 'Empirical Approaches to Linguistic Theory'), Table 1.4 "ǃXóõ click accompaniments contrastive for dorsal place" has Ladefoged & Traill's 1994 transcription alongside Traill's practical orthography and Sands' reanalysis after going over the original recordings. Sands has worked with Miller and has commented on her findings mentioned above. Where L&T had <kǃ qǃ gǃ ɢǃ gǃh ɢǃh>, omitting the tie-bars, Sands has <ᵏǃ ^qǃ ᶢǃ ^ɴɢǃ ᶢᵏǃʰ ^ɴqǃʰ>, using superscripts rather than tie-bars, but still making the velar articulation explicit. So that's still best-practice in 2020, and so there's no reason to modify the convention spelled out in the IPA Handbook. — kwami (talk) 01:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to say ʞ?

Why is ʞ is a shaded area if shaded areas are impossible to say? If it is possible to say, why is it in a shaded box? Should it be in a different position? Currently, its position in the chart is illogical.1.127.108.215 (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Add Voiced Labial-velar implosive

The voiced labial-velar implosive /ɠ͡ɓ/ has an article that has been patrolled. I would suggest adding it to this table. PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Added to {{IPA co-articulated consonants}}. Nardog (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Add the Uvular lateral ejective affricate

The uvular lateral ejective affricate /q𝼄ʼ/ has a patrolled article on it, but is not on this chart. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@PharyngealImplosive7 okay, where should it go? Please be specific about what you are requesting --DannyS712 (talk) 05:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Sorry for not being specific. It should go in the "U" (uvular) column and the lateral affricate row of the ejective section. Also, please remember to put the symbol of the sound in an "IPA link" template when placing it in the table. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 06:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@PharyngealImplosive7 and what is the symbol to use? Please provide the exact wikitext that you want added to the table cell --DannyS712 (talk) 17:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@DannyS712: The exact wikitext is {{IPA link}} with q𝼄ʼ as the first parameter – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Special:Diff/1199679395 DannyS712 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@DannyS712: I see that you have added the sound into Template:IPA non-pulmonic consonants/table, but the sound doesn't seem to be showing up on the actual table (Template:IPA non-pulmonic consonants). Any idea why that is the case? – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 18:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@PharyngealImplosive7 just needed to purge the page, its there now DannyS712 (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. Thanks anyways. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)