Template talk:Indian martial arts

Vandalism and POV pushing

User:The Banner has been vandalising and continuously edit warring for POV pushing, despite being warned for violating WP:NAV. "A navigation template is a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles". It is not for dumping some random non-existing links and unlinked text as you like.

Incorrect entries

Explain why Ankathattu, Guruttara, Paika akhada, Puttara are placed under Indian martial arts and combat sports when they clearly are not martial art or combat sport, not to mention all redirects.

Duplicates

Why do you want to add duplicates of same link in multiple places? Ankam in Indian martial arts and combat sports, Related Indian articles, and Other India-influenced martial arts. Same Ankam is placed twice under Related Indian articles, with one piped as Ankathattu. Paika akhada in Indian martial arts and combat sports and Related Indian articles.

Names

Explain why you want to use the MOS:PEACOCK name Famous examples instead of Battles. BTW, examples of what? Vyuha already means "battle formation", why do you want to add "formation" additionally?

Red links

Explain why you want to add red links when it clearly fails WP:NAV.

Unlinked text

Explain why you want to add unlinked texts such as Barccha, Kara.

Redirects

Kalarippayattu stick-fighting, Otta (weapon),

Piped links to sections

WP:NAV is used to facilitate navigation between articles. Explain why you want to add piped links to sections, such as Hiranyakashipu vadh, Jarasandha vadh, Kansa vadh, Vali vadh into the template.

Vandalism

Explain why you removed Arattupuzha Velayudha Panicker, Chandu Chekavar, Jambavan, Karna, Kadhirur Gurukkal, Kayamkulam Kochunni, Keeleri KunhikannanKrishna, Kuroolli Chekon, Murugan, Parashurama, Simhalan Madhava Panicker, Vali, and Velu Nachiyar under Notable practitioners.

--2409:4073:2095:A51A:306D:7D50:D6AB:FFCF (talk) 08:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, challenge accepted..

1. Kalari starts with A kalari is a gymnasium or training space primarily associated with the martial art of Kalaripayattu. So, not related to martial art?
2. Paika akhada start with Paika akhada is an Odia term which roughly translates as "warrior gymnasium" or "warrior school".[1] In former times they served as the training schools of the peasant-militias in Odisha, eastern India. Today's paika akhada are used for practicing the traditional physical exercises in addition to the paika dance, a performance art with rhythmic movements and weapons being hit in time to the drum. It incorporates acrobatic maneuvres and use of the khanda (straight sword), patta (guantlet-sword), sticks, and other weapons. So, not related to martial art?
3. The redirect Puttara should be restored to its original article. There is no reason given for this edit. An edit from your hand?
4. The redirect Guruttara should be restored to its original article. The reason given by redirecting are contrary. A valid standalone article is redirected due to "No potential for a standalone article, will be merged in future anyway.". An edit from your hand?

I will look at the rest later. The Banner talk 12:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain the removal of Ardha-chandra-vyūha, Garbha-vyūha, Garuda Vyuh, Mandala vyuha, Makara-vyuha, Oormi vyuha, Sarvatobhadra-vyūha, Shakata-vyūha, Suchi-vyūha and Vajra-vyūha? Your claim that red links can be removed is not valid, as explain before further downb this page. The Banner talk 12:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

1. Kayamkulam Kochunni No mention of martial arts at all.
2. Krishna No mention of martial arts at all.
3. Kuroolli Chekon No mention of martial arts at all.
4. Murugan/Kartikeya just a single mention of his "creative martial abilities"
5. Parashurama after his martial exploits, to conceive a son with martial powers.. Not serious evidence as a martial arts practitioner.
6. Vali. A disambiguation page without clear target article
7. Arattupuzha Velayudha Panicker No mention of martial arts at all.
8. Chandu Chekavar No mention of martial arts at all.
9. Jambavan No mention of martial arts at all.
10. More research by experts is necessary to see if Karna, Kadhirur Gurukkal and Velu Nachiyar qualify as "notable practioners". Just mentioning martial arts is not enough.
11. And yes, Keeleri Kunhikannan and Simhalan Madhava Panicker should be added.

The Banner talk 14:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

And then it became deafening silent. I hope the IP still have some arguments before the protection is over. The Banner talk 14:02, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Stop the harassing

Please stop the harassing. This is a template about martial arts, not about warriors. The Banner talk 09:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice strategy deflecting your actions and evading the discussion above. First you address the issues above.--2409:4073:4D80:75B4:D1BF:D423:D9F7:A1CD (talk) 12:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Harassment is not a nice strategy, edit warring is also not a nice strategy. Face the consequences. The Banner talk 13:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ignoring discussion is not a nice strategy. If you are not participating in consensus building process, then you face the consequence. 2409:4073:48B:F5DE:B8AE:5F6:A63:D910 (talk) 13:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

That template is about martial art, not about warriors. Seriously? Then why do you removes only the martial artists I added but keeps the rest? Find a better excuse. BTW, martial artists are within the scope of the template. 2409:4073:48B:F5DE:B8AE:5F6:A63:D910 (talk) 13:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Because at the same time you removed the valid red links and added a link to a disambiguation page. Why did you do that? The Banner talk 22:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

First you answer the questions I asked you, instead of conveniently evading it. Red links are valid according to whom? not per WP:NAV. This is called POV. You have any answers to that questions I raised on the above section? 2409:4073:4E98:BBD8:E12A:282B:D246:642 (talk) 07:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Red link, usually a red link is seen as an invitation to write an article. And WP:NAV states: Red links and redirects should normally be avoided unless they are very likely to be developed into articles. Red links can be retained in navigation templates that represent a well-defined and complete set of data (geographic divisions, annual events, filmographies, etc.), where deleting red links would leave an incomplete and misleading result. Even then, editors are encouraged to write the article first. So, there was no valid reason to remove the red links. Repeatedly removing valid links is called vandalism. The Banner talk 11:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Vali

Vali links to a disambiguation page. Please can a subject expert either make this a piped link to an appropriate article such as Vali (Ramayana) or remove it (or submit an edit request to do so if necessary)? Thanks, Certes (talk) 11:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)