Template talk:MedalTop

Interwiki

{{Editprotected}} Can somebody add, thank you:

• Finnish: fi:Malline:MitalitaulukkoYlä --TarmoK (talk) 09:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• And Spanish: es:Plantilla:PaísMedalla --Paintman 13:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 16:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Russian: ru:Шаблон:ОИ-награды Infovarius (talk) 17:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Name

In common with the vast majority of biographical infoboxes (e.g. {{Infobox person}}), I think that this template-set should include a "name" parameter. It could also then be upgraded to emit an hCard microformat. Would anyone object? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Editprotected

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IF no one minds, tomorrow, I'm going to put in an {{editprotected}} so that the documentary can be put in the /doc subpage. If no one objects, I'll put it up. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 22:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Such a straightforward and uncontroversial change shouldn't attract any opposition. I've flagged as {{editprotected}} Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 22:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Putting the doc in a subpage, as it is right now, will end up categorizing the documentation page in Category:Medal infobox templates. Some fiddling will have to be done to make this not happen (perhaps moving the category out of Template:MedalRelatedTemplates and re-categorizing all of the templates transcluding that page). --- RockMFR 00:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The documentation in Template:MedalRelatedTemplates is not protected, so that already serves as a doc subpage. The categorization could be handled by putting this on a doc subpage:

<includeonly>{{Template:MedalRelatedTemplates}}</includeonly>

However, that doesn't really give any benefits over the current setup. Disabling editprotected. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

EDITPROTECT-2 -- Matching usage capabilities

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Cut and paste so the style line behaves to allow width tweaks..

Current (from)

{| class="infobox" style="width: 23em; font-size: 90%;"
|- bgcolor="#cccccc" align=center

(Following the precedents using both maximum width spellings...)

{| class="infobox" style="width: {{{width|23em}}}; {{#if:{{{maxwidth|}}}{{{max-width|}}} 
     |max-width={{{maxwidth}}}{{{max-width|}}};}} font-size: 90%;"
|- bgcolor="#cccccc" align=center

...which allows synchronizing sizes between differing infoboxes on same page. // FrankB 01:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Disabled. max-width is ... CSS3? I don't believe it was wide cross-browser support at all. I'm very hesitant to implement changes that only a few people will see.... --MZMcBride (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Matching usage capabilities-II

Aside: IMHO, the default width of both these header templates should be made and kept identical and the smaller quantity... 22 em.

Usage implied (was incomplete and made no distinction) that a second argument parameter should be the medals image, the third the width, and the third and first (image) are also apparently missing... are missing in this template but not the other head subtemplate. However, the width parameter above edit should also be installed in {{MedalTableTop}} as well ASAP. In short, please update both templates with the same minor change type to reflect the usage modes. (Usage page updated and corrected tonight by me.) // FrankB 01:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• In closing, after installing the maxwidth, please complete this one by adjusting the maxwidth parameter so it makes the medal box smaller. Thanks. // FrankB 01:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Fix colspan for Sport and Country

{{editprotected}} Please fix the colspan value in {{MedalSport}} and {{MedalCountry}}. It should be colspan="3", not colspan="4". The extra column is not highly noticeable but it's certainly there as you can see in the example on {{MedalTableTop}}. --Aikurn (talk) 19:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Done--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 17:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

ADR microformat

{{editprotected}} Please add an ADR microformat to {{MedalCountry}}, by changing:

|- bgcolor="#eeeeee" align=center
! colspan="3" | '''Competitor for {{{1}}}'''

to:

|- bgcolor="#eeeeee" class="adr" align=center
! colspan="3" | '''Competitor for <span class="country-name">{{{1}}}</span>'''

This will also form part of the hCard microformat, which I intend to add to the template family, in due course. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

\Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

MedalName

I have created {{MedalName}} (used on Steve Danielson) and would appreciate comments and suggestions for improvement, please. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Person name
Medal record

Wouldn't this be better as an optional parameter for {{MedalTableTop}} (example implementation shown) where the name could be placed at the top of the table like infoboxes? Athough I would be more inclined to promote the use of Template:Infobox Sportsperson, Template:Infobox Athlete etc. mattbr 19:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with both your former suggestion and your latter preference. I'd assumed there would be no wish to do either. If we do add an optional name parameter to MedalTop, I'd also like to include conditional classes "vcard" and "fn" (to add an hCard microformat) if the name is present, changing your:

{| class="infobox" style="width: 23em; font-size: 90%;"
!colspan="3" style="text-align:center; font-size:125%;" | Person name

to:

{| class="infobox vcard" style="width: 23em; font-size: 90%;"
!colspan="3" style="text-align:center; font-size:125%;" class="fn" | Person name

How might we proceed? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I think adding much more info than is already catered for in the templates turns it more into an infobox rather than a medal record, and I think adding an infobox (even a sparsely populated one) that incorporates the medal record would make it easier for (and maybe encourage?) people to come along later and expand. Does anyone else have any comments? mattbr 15:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with suggestion's to expand this template. This template is not an infobox. It is used to add medal records to articles that should already have infoboxes, and is frequently used inside an infobox, so adding a name field is confusing and redundant. For example, see Michael Phelps and Chris Hoy for instances where the medal record is located within the infobox (under a "show/hide" drop-down) and Jaromír Jágr, Michael Jordan, and Brazil national football team for instances where the medal record is located outside the main infobox. The correct thing to do on the Steve Danielson article was not to add a redundant {{MedalName}} field, but instead to add {{Infobox field hockey player}}. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I made these suggestions because I've seen the medal templates on pages, with no other infobox present. An optional name parameter would not stop their use inside other infoboxes. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course, but adding optional infobox-like fields might encourage the use of this template as an infobox replacement, and I think that's wrong. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt text support

{{editprotected}} For WP:ACCESSIBILITY by visually-impaired readers, this template should support alt text as per WP:ALT. Please install this sandbox patch to do that. I've tested and documented it. Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 23:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Slight style tweaks

Currently this template uses 90% font-size and 23em width. That makes it ever-so-slightly out of sync with the {{infobox}} defaults. Could these be tweaked to 88% font-size and 22em width? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done seems reasonable to me. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

{{MedalTableTop}} needs to be modified in addition to {{MedalTop}}; currently only {{MedalTop}} has been changed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Split /doc properly

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Requesting sync with the new sandbox to split the page's documentation properly. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

All International Appearances

I realize for most individual sport participants a medal table is sufficient to show results of championships. However, I was wondering if a tweak could be made, so that all international results could be shown? What I mean is WP:HOCKEY uses this to show medal results for players, but since this is a team sport, finishing below 3rd isn't the same as finishing below 3rd in an individual sport. The reason I ask is that, we are having a battle between some users over MOS:ICON with respect to flags. I figure we can skirt the issue by using this template to show all international experience, if the slight tweaks could be made. This way, since many players have this on their pages less editing work would be necessary. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete [[es:Plantilla:MedallaPaís]]

Please. Thanks--HombreDHojalata 17:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HombreDHojalata (talk • contribs)

Medal template

Does anyone have a problem with me tweaking the layout of the medal template? Specifically, I wan't to put the sport the individual competes in on top of the country he/she competes for. This will put more emphasis on the sport rather than the country the individual competes for. Also, I think it just looks better. An example is below.

MedalTop

File:Meoki.JPG
Medal record
Men's athletics
Representing the United States
Olympic Games
	2000 Sydney	100 m

I'm going to assume it's okay to continue my edits since no one cares to even respond. Thanks for the feedback!Philipmj24 (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Please add these interwikis

Please add these interwikis: to Template:MedalTableTop: [[de:Vorlage:Infobox Medaillen]] [[pt:Predefinição:Lista de Medalhas Topo]] [[ru:Шаблон:ОИ-награды]]

To Template:MedalBottom: [[fr:Modèle:Médaille fin]] [[ko:틀:메달_끝]] [[ja:Template:MedalBottom]] [[pt:Predefinição:Lista de Medalhas Fim]]

To Template:MedalCountry: [[es:Plantilla:PaísMedalla]] [[pt:Predefinição:Medalhas País]]

To Template:MedalSport: [[ar:قالب:MedalSport]] [[es:Plantilla:Medalla deportiva]][[fr:Modèle:Médaille sport]] [[gl:Modelo:Deporte]] [[ko:틀:메달 스포츠]] [[pt:Predefinição:Medalhas Esporte]]

To Template:MedalCompetition: [[ar:قالب:MedalCompetition]] [[fr:Modèle:Médaille compétition]] [[gl:Modelo:Competición]] [[pt:Predefinição:MedalCompetition]]

thanks Missionary (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Not bolding

The medal template doesn't seem to be putting the words Gold, Silver or Bronze in bold, as per the examples on Template:MedalGold, etc. See this example. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The problem was with another template, {{Infobox medal templates}}. I removed the "font-weight:lighter" from that one. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

And this change has been reverted. Frietjes (talk) 16:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, good to know. I didn't have a strong opinion either way. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Can we get rid of the bold text for {{MedalCountry}} while were at this. It just looks tacky. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 03:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Name, redux

Discussion above, from 2008 and from 2009 remain unresolved, and this template-family is still being used as an infobox, for example on Cathy Freeman. How might we best resolve this?

One other possibility would be to run a bot, wrapping it in {{Infobox person}} or {{Infobox athlete}} {{Infobox sportsperson}}, where no parent infobox is already present.

Anyone have any thoughts? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't have a problem with the medal template display substituting for an infobox. The majority of the time that occurs is when there is little of significance (no picture or other serious information) to add to the infobox. Essentially all the blanks make the infobox a waste and the medal template far more appropriate. Trackinfo (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't either so long as the name is displayed; per my earlier comments. Other suggested that the sue of the templates as a pseudo-infobox was not right. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The simple answer is that {{infobox athlete}} didn't exist at the time. I don't believe that there's a practical route to (semi-)automatically replacing instances with the real infobox, but nor do I believe there is any real objection to replacing them manually. It'll be done in time. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

A bot could add {{MedalName}}, in the meantime. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

For consistency, I'd suggest including the medal table inside {{Infobox sportsperson}} by bot. (Note that {{Infobox athlete}} doesn't exist any more.) — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 09:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you; corrected. And yes, I'd be happy with that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a question of efficient presentation of key information. If the only information that gets added in a transition from medaltemplates to infobox is the name and date of birth, then I don't think it's worth doing. In my opinion the medal template on Dong Bin is a better emphasis of key facts than the infobox on Gaylord Silly. That said, the infobox is more useful and efficient for athletes of greater notability/achievements (Michael Johnson (track and field) being a good example here). Cathy Freeman fits into that category and the article could benefit from a switch to the infobox. As far as a wide-scale transition goes, I'm not really convinced that infobox usages on smaller articles (e.g. Erica Moore) are beneficial to the reader, where they serve more to distract the eye from the more efficient primary text rather than offering the condensed key-fact-breakdown they were built for. SFB 20:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with SFB and his examples are clear. Note on Johnson, and other athletes of that ilk, the medal table is truncated at Olympics and World Championships. For someone of his accomplishments, we could go overboard and list them all, but smartly we haven't. For the lesser athletes, like Moore, a simple medal table would suffice, particularly now for the brevity of the article. The accomplishments table is unnecessary. We have those all over many older european articles, many at the exclusion of the medal table Yekaterina Podkopayeva, or redundant with it William Van Dijck. That makes for a poorer look and inconsistency. An accomplishment table works well with a Road Racer/Marathon/Racewalk kind of article Delilah Asiago where a place still signifies prominence. A medal table, or its absence, at the top gives a quick overview of the status of this athlete. Trackinfo (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

(reply to both SFB & Trackinfo) I'm not clear whether your argument is that we don't need to display the subject's name at the top of the medalbox, or that you don't like {{Infobox sportsperson}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

It was neither. The point was that infoboxes are not suitable in all cases, particularly very brief articles. As for the subject's name, I personally believe that the main article title does that job well enough on its own. I am in no doubt about what the medals listed at Dong Bin refer to. I agree that it is a pseudo-infobox in its placement, but I don't think that is a problem in and of itself. The basic style and customizability of these basic templates means that they can be easily used for any competitor in Olympic sports in the last 100 years (a pretty wide article base). If a name at the top is desirable on stand-alone medal templates, then perhaps this could be incorporated into Template:MedalTableTop. Is it possible to automatically generate the athlete name, whilst stripping out the (bracketed) disambiguator if present? SFB 15:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Not displaying the subject's name above the medalbox creates inconsistency with all the other biographies on Wikipedia, which do have infoboxes, and display names in that position It also prevents the emission of useful metadata. I'd be happy with the use of {{MedalTableTop}} as you suggest, but I do not believe that automatically generating the name, whilst stripping out the disambiguator is possible. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Use as a sub-template

I've tried to use these medal templates inside {{Infobox person}} on Reginald Brooks-King, but the result looks wrong. We could do with some documentation and clear examples, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

These templates work with Infobox sportsperson. If someone's biography is not sports-based enough to warrant that infobox, then I presume that transclusion of medals probably gives them too much prominence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillyfolkboy (talk • contribs)

We have articles about people who were successful sports medallists, but who are also known for other things, not catered for by {{Infobox sportsperson}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested edit

In order to bring the various medal top templates into one place I suggest that we edit Template:MedalTableTop so that the second line reads:

!colspan="3" style="text-align:center; background-color:#B0C4DE"| {{{Header|Medal record}}}

We could then use that parameter to customise the header of this template. After this edit, we could try merging all the alternative MedalTop templates using this header switching (except for MedalTop - bigger integration issues here).

On a separate issue, can Template:MedalTableTopPic be redirected to Template:MedalTableTop? I see no difference between the outcomes. Similarly, can Template:MedalTeam be merged into Template:MedalSport? They have different semantic uses but are essentially the same usage. SFB 20:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I did the first request. (By the way, it is often easier to update the template's sandbox and request sync, rather than describing the code on the talk page.) I don't have any opinion on the other issues because I am not familiar with these templates, but they are not protected so if you know what you are doing then go ahead :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Apologies for the second request, but can you do another update from the sandbox. I have moved the image and caption above the "Medal record" header, which is more appropriately placed directly above the medals themselves. To bring this template into line with other infoboxes, I have made an option where this template automatically closes if the medals are inserted into a "medals=" field (template remains backwards compatible). I have also increased the caption size because this was unusually small (around font size 70). SFB 12:21, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done, sorry for the delay — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Can I assume that this change is why medal tables are now showing the athlete's name at the header by default? Because it is rather ridiculous to reiterate an athlete's name, yet again, in the middle of an article. Resolute 00:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, we don't have this "feature" with Template:MedalTop, and it just looks bad in Barry Bonds. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree that it's an issue, but uses such as that on Barry Bonds are in a vast minority compared to Olympic-style athletes which have this as the primary infobox. The best outcome would be incorporate the "medaltemplates" feature into the main infobox at Template:Infobox MLB Player. This is already done for the generic Template:Infobox Sportsperson and Template:Infobox football biography etc. I'm trying to normalise MedalTableTop as a stand-alone infobox because it's much needed for the vast majority of the 20,000 transclusions which use it in that way. I'll begin clean up on the mid-article uses now. SFB 14:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I've created Template:MedalBox so that we can definitively separate the two usages (lead infobox and mid-article box). That new template also has easier "sport" and "country" fields. SFB 13:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

in the cases that it's the primary box, we should just embed it in {{infobox sportsperson}}, which will allow more information to be added as it is found (e.g., birth_date, death_date, ...). so, the long term solution is not to have the athlete's name showing here by default. Frietjes (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Harmonising templates

A large number of templates (45 as of 30 June 2012) have amassed in Category:Medal infobox templates since their creation in 2006. I think it is a good time to harmonise these templates seeing as they provide pretty much the exact same functions.

In addition to the changes I have requested above, I have created Template:Medal. This not only serves as a way to add the MedalGold/Silver/Bronze aspects of the medal tables, but also replaces the Sport, Competition, and Country templates. The only difference in execution is a single ("|") separating the descriptions. For example, {{Medal|Bronze}} instead of the old {{MedalBronze}}, {{Medal|Sport}} instead of {{MedalSport}}, etc.

This should help us reduce the number of templates from over 40 to just two eventually: Template:Medal and Template:MedalTableTop. I think Template:MedalBottom should be redirected to Template:End (a standard and shorter named template which serves the same purpose). SFB 16:22, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Name, yet again

We're still getting examples of the medal template being used, without the subject's name, in new articles, - for example Miranda Leek. When are we going to resolve the issues, discussed above? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

that should be wrapped inside of {{infobox sportsperson}}? Frietjes (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Can we make it throw an error message if it is not? Or at least a tracking category? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Align parameter

Could someone please add an align parameter to this template? So that one could align the medalbox to the left, too. --bender235 (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

please update the template to use this version of the sandbox, which supports |align=left, right, center, or none. Frietjes (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 18:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 March 2013

Please can the third line of the code be changed to:

{{#ifeq:{{{name|}}}|no||<caption class="{{{titleclass|}}}" style="{{{titlestyle|}}}">{{{name|{{#Invoke:String|replace|{{PAGENAME}}| (athlete)|}}}}}</caption>}}

As trialled in Template:MedalTableTop/sandbox, this fix will remove the page title's "(athlete)" disambiguator from the medal box if present. SFB 15:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Question: Are there many athletes out there that have disambiguators other than (athlete)? It should be possible to use Lua to remove any disambiguators, not just that specific one. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 15:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Athlete is certainly the most common, but we have: Steve Smith (British high jumper), Steve Smith (US high jumper), Steve Smith (pole vaulter), James Robinson (distance runner) with nobody taking the athlete moniker, Michael Johnson (sprinter) again nobody has athlete. Those come to mind. Trackinfo (talk) 09:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Stradivarius. It looks like I've started using Lua directly without even realising it! Thank God we're moving towards a better programming language. I'll see if I can write a disambiguator remover module first then I'll request it within the change. SFB 10:24, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• Well, it's already been done! Please update Template:MedalTableTop with the following line. SFB 10:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

{{#ifeq:{{{name|}}}|no||<caption class="{{{titleclass|}}}" style="{{{titlestyle|}}}">{{{name|{{Title without disambig|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}</caption>}}

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Order of medals

Olympic medal record
Women's athletics
Representing United States
World Athletics Final
	2009 Thessaloniki	200 m
	2007 Stuttgart	100 m
	2006 Stuttgart	100 m
	2006 Stuttgart	200 m
	2005 Monte Carlo	200 m

User:Rauzaruku recently went on to implement a new order within the medal template box, without previously looking for consensus for change. Therefore, I'm now starting this discussion on his behalf.

As far as I remember, the order in medal box has been (1) date/year (latest on top, earliest at the bottom), and (2) order of event as used by the IAAF. Which then looks like this:

Rauzaruku now suggests a new order (he might explain his reasons here, later), which orders by "importance of medal" (i.e. Gold highest, then Silver, etc.), and then by year (earliest on top, latest at the bottom). It would look like this:

Olympic medal record
Women's athletics
Representing United States
World Athletics Final
	2005 Monte Carlo	200 m
	2006 Stuttgart	200 m
	2009 Thessaloniki	200 m
	2007 Stuttgart	100 m
	2006 Stuttgart	100 m

I find his suggestion confusing, since medals won in the same year aren't aligned together. I prefer the old consensus. Any other opinions? --bender235 (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Gold medals are the most valuable, and the reader need to see them first, to do a organization into their minds (order of importance: gold, silver and bronze). It's useless to put medals in order that the athlete won, or "IAAF site order". That does not matter to the reader. The reader wants to know the golds, silvers and bronzes the athlete won, and starting from the first to last, put on the contrary just leave everyone confused (its an anti-natural order). It is not possible for the reader to make a decent compilation of his head, with everything so messy. This order I have suggested is the most logical and intelligent for the reader of the article, he can count the quantities of medals just by the color more easily, you can see when the athlete started winning medals and when finished winning easier. Everything gets easier. And this order is already used in a lot of articles, precisely because it is the better way. Just take a look at Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte articles to realize it. Rauzaruku (talk) 00:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

First of all, editorial judgement of importance should be used. I think competitions should be grouped, so all Olympic performances are covered together. Within that group, I would rank a gold medal ahead of a stack of bronzes, no matter where it came in the sequence. The first thing you see is Olympic Gold medal. I would group the lesser medals first by value (Silver ahead of Bronze obviously) then chronologically. I like having the bar separating groups. I would put the Olympics group first, World Championship second, lesser World Championships, World Athletics Final third (yes this means editorial judgement). So in Athletics I would rank an Indoor Championship would be below an Outdoor World Championship, same with Cross Country or Road Running. Next I would rank Continental, Area and Category Championships (Europe over Jeux de la Francophonie), followed by Age Group Championships (youth, junior, masters); Paralympics. Major Marathon runners or one off winners of major event, it that is all they have, might need a mention. At some point you need to make a cut off. Carl Lewis doesn't need more medals added and is on the verge of having to pare down. Fortunately, his article has a lot of prose to balance it. A stub with a ton of medals doesn't look right (though we really should fill out the prose). Trackinfo (talk) 02:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I think either method is fine as long as you are consistent on the article. Personally I use the chronological format as it demonstrates a career progression (one can still easily count the number medals by colour irrelevant of their order, but working out the chronological order of an unsorted list is a much greater mental feat). I don't mind if people use either but I think it is a complete waste of an edit to go around just "fixing" these to your preferred style. We have much more pressing issues to be getting on with. SFB 09:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI A better use of this time would be to replace the remaining old Olympic-headed medal templates (e.g. {{MedalTop}}, {{MedalTopPic}}) with the new {{MedalTableTop}} one for consistency. SFB 09:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Where can I find a list of articles that are current using these old templates? Give it to me, and I can make these changes. I will assume that the Usain Bolt article has an updated medal table, and copy the base of it. Rauzaruku (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I always liked the second method more and changed it on the articles i came across when updating the won medals. As a reader, i want to know how many gold medals the person has won, the most important stat. Kante4 (talk) 14:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I think we can provide that information in a much better format using the {{MedalCount}} template. Then the user does not need to count how many medals there are. See Carl Lewis for example. SFB 09:03, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The medal overview should give a chronology of events, not just a medal count. For the latter, we have a separate template. Which is to say I still prefer the original order we have used here for years. --bender235 (talk) 16:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

If you want to put the medals in the order they were taken, well, this is already done by the timeline that is placed in the middle of articles, that huge frame. The medal table was a mere repetition of the timeline, so it has to be even modified. I see "achievements" being a timeline and "Medal Table" putting it in the order of importance and first-to-last date, to be easier to read. You can create other tables into the article, like "personal records", don't have any problem to have 5 tables or more, but they need to do different tasks. Rauzaruku (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I think the best idea is to just have the most important medals in the lead table (global/continental ones), but this hasn't been followed by a large number of editors, many of whom prefer an exhaustive list of medals in the lead box. Other ones, like the World Athletics Final used in the example above, aren't appropriate either – these are particularly misleading as they aren't international medals. The lack of consistency in the medal templates usage has been their downfall. Maybe the MedalCount template is the way forward for highlighting medals in the lead area. This seems to work well on the French Wikipedia. SFB 22:05, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I also find it absurd to have so many lesser value medals at the Medal Table. Obviously it has to be placed the most important medals only: Olympics, World Championships (outdoor and indoor in athletics, long and short course in swimming), continental games like European Championship / Pan American / African / Asian, and then just more 1 or 2, as Universiade, Commonwealth, Pan-Pacific and stuff. Need to be the important and big competitions, and not everything that exists. If the person has few medals, then yes, put up the (few) most important medals they won, as a Youth Olympics and stuff. A proposal that would work, is to limit the number of competitions listed in Medal Table to 7 competitions, so we would not have medal tables with 12, 15 competitions, as I have found here ... big sportspeople can win medals at 7 different important competitions and Medal Table needs to show it. I think 7 would be the ideal number. People greatly exaggerate. But it's just a matter of common sense and organization. However, the Medal Table remains the best way to see the medals. I think the format of the other tables more incomplete or more complicated to check. I don't like the MedalCount very much, and I think French Wikipedia is so much incomplete without a Medal Table. I see all the tables as complementary, not exclusionary. Well, I wish I was allowed to keep changing tables to the format that I'm making it up, because I believe that is the best for the readers. You allow me to do it?Rauzaruku (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

So you are saying we cut off a couple of Carl Lewis' Olympic 9 Gold medals, much less his silver medal, much less his 8 World Championship Gold Medals, or the two other medals from the World Championships to adhere to your suggested format? Or look at Merlene Ottey. She has a proclivity for collecting Olympic bronze medals. Will 7 of her 9 non-gold Olympic medals cover three Golds (2 individual) at the World Championships? Just to adhere to a format rule? I say no to that. Superior athletes will show a lot of medals, some of them important. Olympic Medals and World Championship medals should show no matter what. We should limit our discussion to lesser medals. World Indoor, Area Championships and the like. Trackinfo (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I said that would be applicable to limit competitions, not the medals. Have some athletes with 12, 15 different competitions listed on the medal table. Usain Bolt for example, do we need to list 6 youth / junior competitions? For me, I do not even want to touch that, but if a lot of people feel the need to reduce MedalTable, my suggestion would be to limit to 7 competitions listed. It's not very easy to discuss the kind of competition to be listed, because each athlete wins medals at the level that they are able, then the most we could do would be to limit to the greatest competitions in which athletes won medals. So it is difficult to discuss this subject. Rauzaruku (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I prefer to order first by color (gold first), then by year (earliest first), and then by event, in the way they are officially ordered (e.g., 100 m, 200 m, 400 m, ..., in track, and freestyle, backstroke, breaststroke, butterfly, IM, relays in swimming). In my experience this is the order commonly used. Is there any official consensus on this by now, or should we obtain it? Gap9551 (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit request

I have tested the addition of "sport" and "country_code" parameters in Template:MedalTableTop/sandbox. Please can Template:MedalTableTop be updated with the sandbox version? This will allow easier inclusion of the sport and country information. Most transclusions are for an athlete who has competed in one sport for one country, but we can still retain functionality for athletes who have competed for a multiple of countries/sports by use of the current {{Medal|Sport}} {{Medal|Country}} usages. SFB 10:03, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done for now: @Sillyfolkboy: After looking at the test cases, the main template version is aligning to the right, and the sandbox version is aligning to the left. I don't see anything obvious in the code which could be causing it, but I'm hesitant to update the template as it is. Maybe you could add a few more test cases and try and find the cause of the problem? I'll be happy to update the template once we've worked out what's going on and have found a fix. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 05:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: That issue is within the current template too. If you remove all but the current template test case in the testcase page then it exhibits the same behaviour. This seems to be something to do with the way it is enclosed in the {| | |} table wikicode on the test cases page. It doesn't right align in the mainspace because this template isn't used in that manner, hence it hasn't cropped on the thousands of active transclusions. I've tried out this this test on an old February 2012 version of the sandbox and the 28 July 2009‎ version of the active template and both have that behaviour too. The latest updates will not affect alignment. I've updated the test cases page to reflect how the template is used in the mainspace. SFB 09:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

@Sillyfolkboy: Ah yes, that makes sense. Thanks for finding the cause of the issue for me - I've updated the template now. Please don't forget to update the documentation. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:54, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Besides Template:MedalTop and Template:MedalCount, all the templates in Category:Medal infobox templates are ready to be deprecated by a bot task, replacing them with using just {{MedalTableTop}} and {{Medal}}. Do you know where I can suggest this? SFB 13:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Alignment

Why have the headers in medal templates shifted to the left? They used to be Centered. Was there any discussion of this before the change?--MorrisIV (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

See MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Alignment of infobox labels, also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 137#Text is not centered. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Wrapper for Template:Medal

As this template produces the same output as {{Medal|Country}}, I've converted it into a wrapper for the base template. This means that functionality and maintenance is now located in one place (Template:Medal). I've checked it on a sample of "what links here" articles and haven't found any difference in output. Naturally, if I've broken anything, please feel free to revert me and I'll do my best to fix any problems that I've missed. --RexxS (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Collapsible?

Is there a way to make this template collapse? I'm thinking of Yulieski Gourriel in particular. It seems the template can collapse if it's part of the infobox, but {{Infobox baseball biography}} doesn't incorporate these medal templates. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Disqualified?

In recent edits on Justin Gatlin I noticed that someone added his disqualification from the 2016 Rio 4x100, but then another user removed it stating "Disqualification removed as he was never awarded the medal". Is there precedence for this, that it is typical to only list DQ if done later (such as the drug example given in the template documentation)? If this is indeed the consensus style position, it would perhaps be best to indicate this in the documentation to make it clear. Thanks, JeopardyTempest (talk) 06:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Request for null edit

Please could the above get null edits? The templatedata I added hasn't started working yet. Many thanks, User:GKFX^talk 23:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC).

 Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:03, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Templates not resolving

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Medal templates not resolving

I am seeing this more and more often. I go to pages with medal templates constantly, its kind of my territory. I keep seeing these blue boxes with a question mark inside instead. Other times its just blank. The templates even failed to resolve on this page. Templates are supposed to speed server performance. In this case, its not working. Trackinfo (talk) 07:04, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Trackinfo: Would you be able to upload the screenshot again? From your description it sounds like the images aren't loading but as the screenshot hasn't been uploaded it's hard to tell. Many thanks, User:GKFX^talk 07:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The idiots over at wikimedia commons deleted it, over my reply, because they said I had no license to post it. I will be happy to send it in a private email or I can post it on my own website, just not a wiki branded host. Trackinfo (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Fix for columns of medal items

{{editprotected}} These templates may have problems that make all three columns not in the same width, I've seen that on this article. To fix the problem, I suggest adding table-layout:fixed; property to them, which let browser automatically calculate the width of columns in average. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 13:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Moved to Template talk:Infobox medal templates § Template-protected edit request on 7 April 2021

Template-protected edit request on 16 July 2022

In the {{Documentation}}, please set the first unnamed parameter to Template:Medal templates documentation (as in {{Documentation|Template:Medal templates documentation}}). Doing so will set the documentation to the centralized page, rather than needing this to have a subpage to translcude the other page. Thanks. SWinxy (talk) 21:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 20:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Medal Sports content

Are the sports in this template supposed to be national team titles (like FIFA World Cup or Olympic) only? I don't see club titles (such as FIFA Club World Cup) mentioned in any wikipedia pages, from tennis players to football players. Is there an exception? Ctdbsclvn (talk) 16:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC)