Template talk:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars

Inclusion of contestants

Please do not add contestants to this navbox as they are in violation of WP:PERFNAV as they were already celebrities prior to appearing on this show. For consensus please see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 May 17#Template:RuPaul's Secret Celebrity Drag Race and multiple other discussions such as Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 May 10#Template:Queen of the Universe, etc. --woodensuperman 14:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Pinging @Izno: and @Plastikspork: for their neutral opinions as closers of the discussions I reference above as my changes in line with those navboxes have been reverted. --woodensuperman 14:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Doesn't really seem 'neutral' to ping folks you think will agree with you but whatever. I'm bummed to see you gutting some of these helpful templates. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  They didn't !vote in the discussions, they were the impartial admins who closed the discussions, hence why I pinged them. I don't think you being "bummed" about the removal of the content is a good enough reason for its inclusion, do you? --woodensuperman 14:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  I don't agree with your reasoning and I'm not going to keep having this discussion across many different pages. You keep removing content because you think contestants are "already celebrities", while I think these appearances are what make the individuals notable. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Appearing in the first instance of a show can be what makes them notable and we're making an exception to WP:PERFNAV for that first appearance (and to WP:PERFCAT for that matter). However, that cannot be claimed for their appearances on subsequent related shows (like this one), and the deletion discussions bear that out. --woodensuperman 14:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  I don't really have an opinion here, maybe solicit a 3rd opinion from WP:3O or WP:RFC? Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 14:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Another Believer + @Woodensuperman, maybe look onto the other templates such as {{Big Brother UK}} (especially the Celebrity part). — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 14:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Woodensuperman seems hyper focused on PERFCAT whereas I prefer inclusion based on common sense. (shrug) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Common sense is to avoid WP:NAVBOXCREEP and to avoid WP:UNDUE weight, which is why the guideling WP:PERFNAV exists. --woodensuperman 15:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

If you compare the two (WP:OTHERSTUFF aside), only the celebrity winners are included, not all the celebrity contestants, which is what I had removed from this navbox. --woodensuperman 15:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• As WP:PERFCAT category is being deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 20#Category:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars contestants we should be applying the same logic to WP:PERFNAV as we do to WP:PERFCAT and as we do for other similar navboxes. --woodensuperman 09:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)