Template talk:Sheffield station

Map sources

Jordan8396.ja and Useddenim, you might want to use OpenStreetMap (Sheffield station linked) for track sourcing instead, as it's very often the case that someone has already traced all of the tracks of a station from satellite imagery and put them on OpenStreetMap. OSM shows that the junctions at the ends of the station diagram need to be corrected (either on OSM or here). Also, don't use Google Maps or its satellite imagery as a map source, since it might be considered copyright infringement.

The article might also need to be corrected, since it doesn't really explain that all the platforms except 2C and 7 have A and B sections (according to the NR diagram, anyway). Jc86035 (talk) 16:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Jc86035, Thank you for informing me of this I will bear this in mind in the future, it does appear OSM is slightly more simplified map but I guess that purposes of a wikipedia template not every single little detail that is shown on other sources (I.e. google maps) is required. I will in future use this source when creating new templates.

As for the platform labeling, I had only just worked out how to do them at time of submission. I will use the edits of the wonderful other users to improve my template making skills. --Jordan8396.ja (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jordan8396.ja: For the UK in particular, in future you might also want to ask on WT:UKRAIL if someone could send you a picture of a track diagram from a book – or find it online, if that's possible – in order to confirm the OpenStreetMap track layout, since sometimes crossovers are missing (or have been added to the map but don't actually exist). Other systems, such as the New York subway, may have amateur-drawn track diagrams online (the London Underground has an operator-drawn diagram which was released through a FOIA request; there may be others). While OSM usually shouldn't be cited it's a useful resource for drawing tracks more accurately where non-geographically-accurate track diagrams might omit some details. Jc86035 (talk) 09:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Template:Sheffield station

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Hi. Could someone who has been to Sheffield station verify the correctness of {{Sheffield station}} and the station's track layout in OpenStreetMap? The OpenStreetMap layout probably has the tracks drawn correctly but has no platform numbers for the individual platform sections, and it's not clear if the bay platforms 2C and 7 have both sides in use. (See also Template talk:Sheffield station.) Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) 16:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Jc86035, that would be original research. I can however compare it to diagram 28E of Quail Track Diagrams book 2 (Eastern). I see quite a few discrepancies:

• Row 4/5, you have the two leftmost lines joining together. The leftmost should in fact be a siding facing the station.
• Platforms 3a and 3b are the wrong way around. Same for 4a and 4b.
• It should be platform 7a, not 7.
• There's a missing siding between the two top lines.
• The left line at the bottom should also be siding.
• The throat at 3/4 is wrong, but I don't think I can explain it well, and that routemap is a bit beyond my abilities. If you email me, I'll send you a picture of the diagram. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:35, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mattbuck: Thanks. The National Rail diagram says it's platform 7 though? I might fix the junctions at the ends of the platforms if I have time.

Does WP:OR apply to route diagrams? There is an exemption for user-uploaded images, and that exemption might or might not be applicable. Jc86035 (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

A photo can be viewed and verified by others though, a textual description can't. Picture sent. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jc86035:, @Mattbuck:, I am 99% sure that platforms 2c and 7 only use one side of their respective bays. Platform 2c uses the platform nearest the main platform 2, and platform 7 uses the platform closest to the platform 8. However I do believe that platform 7 is sometimes subdivided to 7a and 7b depending on the trains in the bay but haven't see this personally yet. - I use this station every couple of months on my way home from university, so have got to know it wondering around it. I will be able to fully confirm this on my next visit to the station (although this would be in late March). I have also realised that the platform of 2/3 is a lot longer than that of platforms 1 & 4/5, however due to the curvature of the platforms at this point it is hard to properly to convey this on the template. --Jordan8396.ja (talk) 01:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Platform Numbers

Just a reference which is unlikely to require action; All the platforms use variable LED matrix signs which allows the subdivisions to be numbered as a single platform depending on the length of trains using them (i.e. platform 1 can be advertised as "1a" & "1b" or just "1"). Only platform 2c has permanent number designation as they are not subdivided, pretty sure Platform 7 also but unsure whether it does get subdivided. -- personal experience, I have witnessed the platform numbering change while at the station. --Jordan8396.ja (talk) 02:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC)