Template talk:Talk page of redirect

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Template:Talk page of redirect / withdrawn by nominator. I nominated this, but I'm withdrawing my proposal in favor of consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 07:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Talkpage of redirect → ? – After another Wikipedian relayed to me the existence of this template, I looked at the name of the template, and thought that the name of this template is too long for the fact that it is applied to several talk pages. I think that this template should be moved over one of its shorter-named redirects, but I am not sure which one. Currently, there are four redirects towards this template that have shorter names than this template's current name: {{Redirected}}, {{Redirecttalk}}, {{Talkredirect}}, and {{Talkredirected}}. There might be a better option than any of these four; these are just the shorter-named ones that currently exist. Steel1943 (talk) 07:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• Rename. I have created a shortcut, {{tpr}}, but that's probably a little too short. Template names are usually as descriptive as possible while also striving to be as concise as possible. This template always goes on the talkpages of redirects. The talkpages could be redirected, as well; however, some redirect talkpages maintain their full-page status for historical purposes. So what does this template do. When we answer that, we will have the name it needs. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 04:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - template should keep its full title, which is descriptive. (Although I would slightly prefer Template:Talk page of redirect.) We can advise in the documentation about shortcuts available. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

• If no other shorter-named titles get consensus during this discussion, I support the move to Template:Talk page of redirect, given that talk page is supposed to be two words. In fact, I went ahead and made it a redirect to this template. Steel1943 (talk) 16:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose but no objections to spacing fix, per Martin. Template titles are generally of very little importance, provided they're not misleading or anything. I didn't know about this template previously, but it's not very widely used, and it doesn't seem especially useful anyway. --BDD (talk) 22:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

  I just learned about it myself. The ones I've come across serve as "soft" redirects to the talk pages of targeted pages. Usefulness seems to be to make the histories easier to find, especially for newer editors. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 00:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Automatic version

I created {{old talk on redirect}} a while ago without having seen this. It had partially superior functionality, in that it automatically produced a link to the redirect target. However, while I was away recently somebody redirected that template to this. The automatic code is available here if anyone (Paine?) would like to try integrating it.  — Scott • talk 16:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Scott – yes, I can see how making the template automatically sense the redirect target would be better than filling in a parameter. Let me work with it and, if no one else minds, merge the features. This template works just as a sort of soft redirect to the targets and their talk pages, so no category was used with it. Did you want to monitor the maintenance category you created? – Painius  22:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I included the redirect module in this template, so this seems to be ready to go. Let me know about the maint. cat. – Painius  17:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice one. I'd actually forgotten about the category; I created it because it seemed a more agreeable view than just doing a Special:Whatlinkshere on the template. Would you be amenable to putting it into your upgraded version?  — Scott • talk 19:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

All set – chock full with 7 pages @ 200 per. Best of Everything to You and Yours! – Painius  01:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Just noticed this today. I decided to put up a {{Talk page of redirect}} tag, without any parameter, just 'cause I didn't feel like making the extra effort to do that. Pleasantly surprised to find that I didn't have to! Thought I'd notice sooner than 4–5 months after implementation... guess that means I haven't been adding this template much recently. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Reverse version of this template?

Is there a version of this template to be used in the other direction, on the articles that are being redirected to? Talk:Iran currently just has an odd-looking "See also: Talk:Persia" at the top, where Talk:Persia uses {{talk page of redirect}}. --McGeddon (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

To editor McGeddon: While there is no version of this template that goes in a reverse direction, one alternative is to use the See also template as I did, and I agree that it looks odd. Perhaps one reason it looks odd is that it is seldom needed. There are currently nearly 2,000 talk pages of redirects that carry the Talk page of redirect template, and I suspect there are many more as yet untagged. Another alternative would be to use template {{Info}}, to which I've just converted that odd-looking See also template.  OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")! Paine  08:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Paine Ellsworth, that was exactly the information I was looking for. I added {{Talk page of redirect}} to Talk:Baker's dozen, but I needed something for Talk:Dozen. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 07:05, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Pleasure! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 08:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

There appears to be something wrong with File:Rectangular-13-disk-packing.png; the image won't display as the left image in the {{Notice}} box, only the alt text. Maybe it's not compatible with the default 40px size? I'm not quite as pleased with File:13-disck pack.svg, but with the former not displaying properly, I've put it in place of the png file so an image will be displayed. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 July 2018

This current code, This is the [[Help:talk page|talk page]] of a {{a or an|{{pagetype|redirect=no|wikipedia=yes}}}} needs to drop the redundant "a". --John Cline (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done Nardog (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 12 February 2019

At the part where it says "Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions and edit requests should take place at:", add "for that page" between "edit requests" and "should" to make it less ambiguous/confusing for readers. Otherwise, they may interpret it as "Go to that page instead, this one shouldn't be used for anything." --Geolodus (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. I do not think your interpretation is correct. Adding "for this page" might clarify things, since I believe that is what is intended. In any event, the current wording is concisely stating that all communication should occur at the target page, regardless of what it is about. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

OK. --Geolodus (talk) 06:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate this template as Template:Talk page of disambiguation page

SMcCandlish, The Tom, Arctic.gnome, and other Template Editors and Administrators,

I've closed a few XfDs as disambiguate and redirect, and I've noticed that we don't seem to have a Template:Talk page of disambiguation page and I'm wondering if it could be useful to duplicate and modify this template at that template page. Reason being, I suspect dab page talkpages are not well monitored and I've been including "talkheader" on them, but that's imperfect, too. We could potentially either modify this template to link to the current talk pages from the dab page, or just provide a notice that this is the talkpage of a dab page and it is not well monitored.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 01:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Off-topic (I misread the idea as having something to do with deletion).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC))

I would raise that at WP:VPPRO. There's a disambiguation wikiproject that wants to be tracking all of these things, and several of them (especially where the primary topic is within scope) are tracked by individual wikiprojects with project banners on their talk pages. E.g. Talk:Eight-ball (disambiguation) has {{WikiProject Cue sports}} on it (as well as {{WikiProject Disambiguation}}), since more than one entry on it is within project scope, as is the term itself. So, I'm not sure I disagree that doing away with most disambiguation pages' talk pages is a good idea, but it'll be at least a semi-controversial one. One alternative proposal would be to 1. keep DAB talk pages that have substantial history, and 2. use a new template that is invisible output-wise, but which adds hidden project categories, to the DAB page itself, e.g. {{DABProjects|WikiProject Cue sports|WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational Drugs}} (with WikiProject Disambiguation added automatically).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:59, 17 November 2019 (UTC) SMcCandlish, Yeah, to be clear, I'm definitely a proponent of disambiguation pages themselves. Some editors don't like them, presumably, because they add to users' clicks (by one, maybe two, clicks) to find their desired article. I didn't know there was a WikiProject Disambiguation. That might be a project worth joining. Thanks! Doug Mehus T·C 16:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC) Also, I apparently needed coffee and wasn't paying close attention. Yes, I agree (now that I understand) that a variant of this for {{Talk page of disambiguation page}} would be useful. I'd thought were were presently on the talk page of a deletion template, not a "this page may not have watchers" template. So, much of what I said about controversiality of getting rid of DAB pages' talk pages was irrelevant.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC) SMcCandlish, Oh okay, cool. I actually would like to see us do away with WP:PRIMARY and make dab pages (except for persons and companies/organizations—that is, WP:PRIMARY would still apply but only to persons and companies/organizations) not have a parenthetical qualifier. However, I suspect that would be a controversial discussion? ;) Doug Mehus T·C 22:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC) Oh yeah. A tremendous number of WP:RM discussions are WP:PRIMARYTOPIC-based renamings of disambiguation pages and their most common non-DAB target articles.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Agreed a {{Talk page of disambiguation page}} would be useful, though the wording, reasoning, and instructions will need to be different. Maybe something like:
  This is the talk page of a disambiguation page, a non-article that lists actual articles with similar names.

  Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions, including most move requests, should take place at the talk page of whichever listed article is the most appropriate. This is also true of edit requests, unless they pertain to the content of the disambiguation page itself.

   — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, Yeah, that works for now. A subsequent consensus or bold move could refine the template wording. Would it be hard to code in the wikilinks for the applicable dab page and convert them to their talkpage equivalents (like the redirect template), or would we need a module to do that?Doug Mehus T·C 23:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I can do it, but need some lunch first.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, Oh, no worries. Didn't have to be today or anything; just didn't know if it was possible with the wiki coding.Doug Mehus T·C 23:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I think you meant read in the list of DAB page entries and auto-include them in the template output. Some DAB pages have dozens of entries, so that wouldn't be practical. Anyway, what I can do after a while is copy this template's code and adapt it to use in {{Talk page of disambiguation page}}. Will need to sandbox it to make sure it can do things like detect that it's attached to a DAB page, the way the present template detects that it's attached to a redir.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, Oh, true. That's a good point about some dab pages having too many listings to include links to all their talkpages. I'll look forward to seeing the draft version in the sandbox to see what you mean. As an aside, I think the WikiProject Disambiguation will love this template. --Doug Mehus T·C 23:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Progress report – {{Talk page of disambiguation page/sandbox}} seems to be working for the most part but could use some additional testing. I've discovered one glitch (which may also affect {{talk page of redirect}}: If it's not placed on a talk page but on the disambiguation page (or, for the other template, redirect page) itself, the BASEPAGE test of the subject-namespace page for being a disambig (or redir, respectively) still returns true (since the non-talk page is its own subject-namespace page), and the template won't throw the error it should. Other than that, it seems to work. I tried sticking the sandbox copy of the disambig template on a user talk page, on a redirect's talk page, and on an article, and it produced the expected errors. I can fix the one known bug later, but am a bit tired now. Kudos to Evad37 for whipping up Module:Disambiguation to make this template smart.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, Yeah, now that I think about it, I think it would be kind of unwieldly to pipe in automatically all of the dab page's linked pages' talkpages. What you've whipped up looks really good. And, thanks for whipping up the module to determine if the page is a dab page Evad37.

I wonder how many disambiguation pages Wikipedia has...if there'd be a script we could write that would go through, determine if the dab page has a talkpage, if so, if it has either a {{Talk page of redirect}} or {{talkheader}} on the page, then we could replace either of those strings with this template.

The only other thing I was wondering if we should maybe include the {{talkheader}} below your sandboxed dab page talkheader, since some disambiguation page-related discussions may take place?

SMcCandlish PS: Other to-do items: 1) Create the maint. cat. for it; 2) finish the /doc page (I started it, but it's still in edit mode); 3) figure out where {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} is being used other than on a DAB's talk page (I want to have this template be auto-called by that one, except in the few places it shouldn't be, like the wikiproject's own talk page); 4) create the {{tpd}} and {{tpdp}} shortcuts for the template; 5) create the new template's own talk page and move this thread over there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish:

1. By maintenance category, do you mean like Category:Talk header templates? I looked at Template:Talk page of redirect and it's only classed at Category:Talk message boxes, Category:Lua-based templates, and Category:Article talk header templates, so just wondering if we need a separate subcategory or not. I suppose it couldn't hurt, but if you mean something else, let me know.
2. Okay, I'll try and help with the /doc page when I can
3. Oh, so you're saying, if WikiProject Disambiguation is on the page, it'd automatically insert the header? I tried adding that WP tag to a dab page's talk page, and it told me to remove it right away, so evidently, they don't want to use that WikiProject tag to track every dab page, I guess...
4. and 5. yeah, sounds good. Probably shouldn't create the shortcuts yet in case a patrolling admin flags them for deletion, eh? Doug Mehus T·C 00:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
   1. I mean Category:Talk pages of disambiguation pages (to match Category:Talk pages of pages converted to redirects, though it should probably move to Category:Talk pages of redirects) – a maint. category for the pages tagged with the template, not a category in which to put the template.
   2. I've already got a /doc draft in RAM; need to save it out.
   3. I guess I'll have to go look at {{WikiProject Disambiguation}}; I was assuming it was being used to tag talk pages of DAB pages when the DAB pages actually have talk pages (though not for creating such talk pages just to tag them, for the same reason we don't create talk pages of redirs for not real reason).
   4. Right; the actual template really needs to be up and running first. I still have yet to fix that when-used-on-the-DAB-page-itself-there's-no-error bug. Busy going over ArbCom candidates.
       — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:07, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, Yeah, that could take awhile if thoroughly vetting the ArbCom candidates; I opposed a couple, but ultimately left most of them as "neutral" and only voted "support" to those I felt really strongly toward based on my dealings and interactions with them (i.e., Bradv, Barkeep49, and Enterprisey and maybe one or two others).Doug Mehus T·C 15:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 20 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus buidhe 20:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Talk page of redirect → Template:Talk page of a redirect – Using the article "a" is more grammatically correct than not using it. The "a" is also included when Bot1058 syncs unsynchronized redirects. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:CONCISE. Template names are frequently written in headlinese. Bot behavior should be following, rather than setting, policy. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suggested wording change

In mainspace the first line of this template reads:

Redirects aren't articles (or templates or project pages for that matter). For clarity and concision I suggest changing the above to:

Open to suggestions if others find this wording too brusque ("redirect that points to"?). --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:59, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Seconded. I came here to make a similar suggestion. Certes (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Afghanistan 180.222.141.14 (talk) 08:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 2 April 2024

Please complete the request seen below, a diff that reflects the changes I've made in the template's sandbox.

This change implements checking if a page is at RFD, and if so it doesn't categorize it to Pages with incorrectly transcluded templates and provides an informative message.

Proposed edits

Line 21: Line 21: |{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Template |{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Template |<!--Blank, so we skip this if we're looking at it in template documentation examples.--> |<!--Blank, so we skip this if we're looking at it in template documentation examples.--> |'''This is the "Talk page of redirect" template. {{red|ERROR}}: This template is only for use on [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] of [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirects]]. If this message is visible, then the [[Wikipedia:Namespace#Subject namespaces|subject page]] is not a redirect, and this template should be removed from this page. The exception is when the subject-page redirect has been nominated for discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|RfD]], which disables the redirect.'''{{#ifeq:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}|Template messages |{{#ifeq:{{#invoke:String2|findpagetext|text=#invoke:RfD|title={{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}|nomatch=0}}|0|'''This is the "Talk page of redirect" template. {{red|ERROR}}: This template is only for use on [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] of [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirects]]. If this message is visible, then the [[Wikipedia:Namespace#Subject namespaces|subject page]] is not a redirect nor at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|RfD]], and this template should be removed from this page.'''{{#ifeq:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}|Template messages |<!--Blank, to not categorize when listed on any subpage of WP:Template_messages.--> |<!--Blank, to not categorize when listed on any subpage of WP:Template_messages.--> |{{#ifeq:{{{doc|}}}|yes||[[Category:Pages with incorrectly transcluded templates]]}} |{{#ifeq:{{{doc|}}}|yes||[[Category:Pages with incorrectly transcluded templates]]}} }} }} |This is the [[Help:talk page|talk page]] of {{a or an|{{{1|{{pagetype|redirect=no|wikipedia=yes}}}}}}} that {{#ifeq:{{{merge|}}}|yes|has been [[Wikipedia:Merging|merged]] and now}} and is now a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]]. However, this page is currently at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|RfD]] which has disabled the redirect. Discussion about this redirect should occur at the RfD subject page linked to at [[{{ROOTPAGENAME}}]].}} }} }} }} }}

~ Eejit43 (talk) 16:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

To editor Eejit43: May I ask, how was this tested, and are you sure that it works as intended? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 20:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth due to the way the script runs I couldn't test it through the testcases page, however I previewed the template sandbox on many talk pages, all of which showed the correct result. Sorry there isn't a better way to demonstrate that! ~ Eejit43 (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

 Completed. Appears to test well, so let's see how it goes. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 21:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help! Paine  21:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth Whoops, one tiny thing- please switch ROOTPAGENAME to SUBJECTPAGENAME (as seen in this diff), as that doesn't work on non-mainspace pages. Sorry! ~ Eejit43 (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 21:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Use with soft redirects

Why does this template forbid its use on the talk pages of soft redirects? Is it just because Module:Redirect doesn't work with them? There are definitely some soft redirected pages where it makes sense to advise against editing the talk page... for example Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy/Criteria, which has been out of use since 2013 and soft redirected since 2018.  — Scott • talk 10:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)