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For dealing so calmly, responsibly, and respectfully in the face of opposition to a pet project. Your behavior through this seems to have modeled the best Wikipedians can hope for, and WP:COMICS will be lucky to have you. ThuranX (talk) 05:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Testing
Testing my signature.--BlackWatch21 01:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Again.uhhhhh.--BlackWatch21 01:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Image question
Image:WP logo (2).jpg looks somewhat familiar to me. Would you please help my memory and let me know where it came from? - jc37 21:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
GO ahead
I did some searching and they all started by themselves, so I don't see a reason not to start it. So if you want start the page and I will start when the page is up. --DJS24 05:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The list of almost 700 articles has been checked and updated. Special thanks to MrKIA11, Dukeruckley, JFlav, FMF, and several other editors for checking the large number of articles.
Inactive project cleanup Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Indie Game Developers deleted.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Arcade games moved to page under WP:VG. See new Arcade task force page.
Feature: Reliable Sources
A common issue with writing video games articles is that it's often natural for editors to turn to the internet for all their information. However, using only online sources can be problematic, especially if editors are not familiar with Wikipedia's sources guidelines. First off, for every notable, reliable web site about gaming that exists on the web, there are twenty-five fan sites or personal blogs. As per Wikipedia's, content guideline about reliable sources, a proper source that should be used in an article must meet the following criteria:
Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
How do you determine if website X meets the criteria? Look around for information on who owns the website or if the website has a staff and established editorial processes; if the site doesn't have information posted online, send an email to the webmaster or editor. It can be hard to definitely prove the a website has a "reputation" for accuracy. Thus, it's probably easier to go with established sites to begin with, such as IGN or GameSpot. If you use a source with borderline qualifications, be prepared to justify the site at content review or to other editors. WikiProject Video Games has a partially-complete listing of vetted sources in print or online at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, as well as more detailed information on what constitutes a reliable source.
To find sources on the internet, checking Google News as well as simple web searches can help spot references you might have missed. Often, however, older news articles are locked behind pay gates or subscription services. A workaround is using a service like ProQuest or LexisNexis, although unless you have access to these through a college or education institution it will likely cost you money regardless. Libraries can have old newspapers and copies of magazines; to assist in finding print sources online, WikiProject Video Games has a Magazines Department where you can contact users to get copies of certain reviews, previews, or features from old magazines. If you have gaming magazines of your own, add yourself to the list!
I was wondering if this page is still used for anything? If not, could you blank it and tag it as G7. Thanks. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Now that you're back... MrKIA11 (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Could you tag it as G7 ({{db-author}})? It would make it much easier for you to do it since you were the only contributer. MrKIA11 (talk) 19:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. MrKIA11 (talk) 19:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Image source problem with Image:Xblalogo.jpg
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Xbox Live logo image
I'm just curios why you changed the Image:Xbox-live-logo.png to Image:Xboxlive_logo.jpg as it seems to me that the new image is inferior to the old one. Actually, the new image is almost identical to another previous image that I touched up to produce the png version. Just wondering. Thingg⊕⊗ 05:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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Special note: The naming convention for the newsletter has altered. Instead of being labeled the month it is delivered, it is now labeled the month the content applies to. See discussion.
Assessment Department: This department focuses on assessing the quality of Wikipedia's video games articles. The resulting article ratings are used within the project to aid in recognizing excellent contributions and identifying topics in need of further work, and are also expected to play a role in the WP:1.0 program, and more specifically in the Video games essential articles page.
Two new quality ratings have been implemented into the Assessment Department's scale. The new Wikipedia-wide C-Class rating (see category) has been added to the scale between Start-Class and B-Class. Because of this, the criteria of the B-Class has been tweaked to better illustrate the difference between a B-Class and C-Class article. An older rating, List-Class (see category), has been added to the scale as well. It is mainly used on pages that have very little prose and are primarily tables and lists of information.
Editors are encouraged to submit articles for assessment if they feel an article has made significant progress up the assessment scale or has gained importance within video game articles. Assessed articles generally receive some feedback to further improve the article. Experienced editors are also encouraged to help with assessment of articles when the number of requests gets too large.
Peer Review Department: The Peer review process for WikiProject Video games exposes video-game-related articles to closer scrutiny from a broader group of editors, and is intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a Featured article candidate. It is not a academic peer review by a group of experts in a particular subject, and articles that undergo this process should not be assumed to have greater authority than any other.
Editors are encouraged to use the Video game peer review process, as well as the regular Wikipedia-wide process, to improve the quality of articles. While a peer review can be done at any time, it strongly suggested to use this process before an article goes up for Good article nomination and Featured article or Feature list candidacy as articles cannot be a candidate for GA or FA while at peer review.
Editors are also encouraged to leave feedback for articles undergoing peer review. A process such as this will not work if editors do not give as well as take. Feedback can range from brief comments after skimming through a page to a full blown dissection of grammar, structure, and references. Either way, every bit helps.
39 of 393 articles have been prepared and submitted. Come help us prepare more at the workshop page.
Feature: Wikipedia 0.7
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of articles taken from the English version of Wikipedia, compiled by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. It is designed for a DVD release, and the selection was put together using a Selection Bot, based on the quality and importance assigned by WikiProjects.
The Video games Project and its daughter projects have multiple articles among the selection and are currently working on cleaning up the articles to improve their presentation. A workshop page has been set up that is designed to assist and coordinate the effort. The status of and recommendations for articles is listed on the table. Discussion about which articles should be kept and removed from the list have been taking place on the talk page.
If you have assisted in working on and improving a current Featured article, Good article, or A-Class article, please check the workshop page to see if the article is recommended for inclusion.
Articles will need an id version submitted to ensure it is included. They will also need to be cleaned up if maintenance tags and other issues are present. Participation is not restricted, and if you can assist with the preparation effort, it would be greatly appreciated.
Things to remember for preparation
The workshop page has a notes section for each article. Clean up suggestions have been left for some articles.
Do a light sweep of the article to address any vandalism andclean up tags: citation needed, more references, lengthy plot, etc.
If you need help with an article, post on the talk page.
Newsletter delivery by xenobot 12:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Possibly unfree Image:Ggg.jpg
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Ggg.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- Suntag☼ 20:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Nice Page
Nice Page, can you go anymore pink? LOL --DJS24 17:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Template:WPBannerMeta
Just letting you know that WPBannerMeta is standardising project templates. What was wrong with my edits to {{Xboxp}}? If you didn't want the full quality scale it get be turned off by not enabling a switch. With the WikiProject banners using the META template, it means we can easily update every banner by one edit to the main template, instead of going through every banner and manually doing it. Around 500 banners already use the META template. —Borgardetalk 01:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry for not contacting you, I didn't think it was that controversial, hundreds of banners have been changed to the META one with no complaints. I left a note at the project talk page to see if anyone else wants to see the banner standardised. —Borgardetalk 13:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Blackwatch21 ! I changed the licence of [[:Image:Xboxelitepackage.jpg] to Non-free use rationale, because the bigger part most of the image shows a box with copyrighted covers. I also changed the licence to avid that this image gets uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (which would be done if it only tagged with PD-self), because it would get deleted immediately for being a derevativ work. --D-Kuru (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
For some time now, the Video games project and the Military history project have been cross listing their articles undergoing peer review in an effort to improve the quality of articles, as well as the copy editing skills of editors. The idea was first proposed by User:Krator as a way to better prepare articles for Featured article candidacy. After being approved by both projects, the idea was implemented under a trial period, and eventually approved as a standard practice.
New, cross listed military history articles are announced on the Video games project talk page, and listed on the Video games Peer review page under a special section. Video game editors are encouraged to leave any type of comments that come to mind. If you don't know anything about military history, that's perfectly fine because that's the point. An editor lacking knowledge about the particular topic can provide a helpful point of view as a general reader—the intended audience.
A peer review process such as this will not work if editors do not give as well as take.
Peer reviews are meant to examine not just the prose, but the sources and images used in the article.
Feedback can range from brief comments after skimming through a page to a full blown dissection of grammar, structure, and references. Either way, every bit helps.
Reviewing another editor's article can help sharpen your writing skills, which in turn can improve the articles you write.
Newsletter delivery by xenobot 16:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Your image request
Remember 6 months ago you requested me to create a barnstar for the Xbox project? Well, I remembered (surprisingly) and just finished making it. Let me know how you like it and if you would like something else done to it. I'm really sorry for taking such a long time. I was looking through my talkpage and saw your post and remembered.
The barnstar looks better on a black background, but I'll let you deside how you're going to award it. Check it out -- penubag (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll upload a couple possibilities later this week and ping you so you can use whichever you want. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Here's the first one (the colors are muted due to an issue with my color profiles, I'll have to recalibrate them so it's more vivid.) Image:Green-gel-x.png --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 04:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll upload a larger version later tonight or tomorrow. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The 2nd logo (barnstar based) won't run into any copyright issues because the power symbol is in the public domain and simply changing the color or adding effects to PD'ed symbols or text does not make it liable for copyright issues. This is a different story for trademarks, but a trademarked symbol is allowed to be used on any page without fair-use rational. -- penubag (talk) 03:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I added text to the logos, let me know if there is anything else. -- penubag (talk) 03:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Did you want a copy of the other logo too? The one with the power symbol shouldn't be deleted because of copyright issues; I disagree with this ruling and it should be brought to WP:Deletion Review. PD symbols/text that are merely modified cannot be copyrighted and thus can be used on any Wikipedia/Commons page. -- penubag (talk) 04:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
What are you doing?
Are you going to fix the xbox page or do I have to keep looking at it? --DJS24 15:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Article importance is an assessment of a topic's importance in understanding a specific higher level topic. Assessments are maintained by WikiProjects and reflect the project's view of what is essential to understanding their scope. In the VG Project's case, all importance scales are in terms of understanding video games.
Recent discussions at the VG Project's talk page have called for revisions to the practice of assigning article importance. The discussion began in mid-November with the goal of clarifying what level of importance should be assigned to certain type of articles. It eventually expanded to creating a standardized table of importance to serve as a guide for current and future editors.
The discussion has focused on and shifted to several topics including flaws of previous practices, new ways to view assessment, other project practices to emulate, and specific articles which are exceptions to proposed guidelines. A brief pole and discussion determined most editors felt that the bulk of some topics—specifically individual video game, series, and character articles—were not essential to understanding video games, making them ineligible for top importance. The discussion then shifted to tweaking the wording and layout of the table.
The current proposed table is being discussed on the project's talk page, and the issue of whether some topics—specifically character articles—should be allowed to be rated importance has also been brought up. As always, member are encouraged to voice their opinions and engage in discussion to determine consensus so the new assessment scale can be implemented.
Sorry, I forgot to do so ;) -- penubag (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Shortcut bar taken off at WP:NIN
[1] — just wondering why. MuZemike (talk) 00:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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A search bar has been added to the archive box on the VG project talk page. Searching the discussion archives is now much easier.
Feature: Video game notability
Video game related articles fall under niche categories on Wikipedia: "Culture and the arts" and "Everyday life". Because of this, they are often required to demonstrate notability more than other topics. Wikipedia defines notability as "worthy of notice", and considers it distinct from fame, importance, and popularity. Though it is acknowledge to be related to fame and the like, it is important understand that being famous, important, or popular does not mean a video game article should be on Wikipedia.
Being notable means that a topic has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Wikipedia's policy also stipulates that this only presumes to "satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." This means that though an article may meet the criteria on paper, it is up to the community to decide if a topic truly is notable and/or violates other policies such as WP:NOT. In short, just because a video game, character, or related topic exists, does not mean it should also exist as a Wikipedia article.
Dealing with non-notable topics
Articles that do not meet the criteria are either deleted or merged into a relevant topic.
WP:Articles for deletion (AfD) handles the deletion of non-notable articles, among other types, and has an established process to begin discussions about reasons for deletion.
If an article is a subarticle of a larger topic, merging it into the larger topic article is a more desirable action. For example, the main character of a video may not be notable, but has received some mentions in reviews. It would benefit both topics, the character and its video game, to include the content into the article of the video game; essentially using a small, weaker article to strengthen a larger more notable article.
Things to remember
The best way to show notability is to provide reliable sources about the topic.
Notability is less about keeping articles out of Wikipedia and more about making sure readers are provided articles about significant, quality topics.
While you may think a topic is notable, others may disagree. Try to keep a clear perspective when assessing notability so discussions can reach a consensus.
AfD is more of a last resort and is not always the best course of action to take.
Consider starting a merger discussion first, as some editors may not fully understand why an article they started is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Windows vs "PC"
Please do not replace Microsoft Windows with PC in games - "PC" is an ambiguous term which could refer to many different platforms. Other than that, nice work with the XBLA images! –xeno (talk) 21:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
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Another suggestion; when you replace a screenshot with the "virtual box art", put the screenshot into the body of the article, as I did here with Shotest Shogi. keep up the good work. –xeno (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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Done ♠TomasBat 17:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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