User talk:Σ/Archive/2011/September

Article creation

Hi Σ, I noticed your request at AWB requests page. I suggest you take a look at the CSVLoader plugin. I had used it to create 15,000 snail stubs last year. — Ganeshk (talk) 01:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm taking a look at it right now, and I think this is exactly what I need. Thanks! --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 01:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Great. Do check out the walkthrough page. — Ganeshk (talk) 01:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:Emery dlugan

I was actually going to tag it but the second I clicked "save", an edit conflict happened where you added the tag. SwisterTwister talk 04:48, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For your heroically admirable user page, Comrade Sigma. Pinetalk 20:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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New article

Thanks for the userboxes i used a couple on my page :)

By the way , i just made a new article and i'd like to know if you approve of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Monnet

Goldblooded (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

It's missing a WP:LEAD section, and needs references. Other than that it's good. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 23:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

You mean like a summary at the beginning, with no subtitle? Goldblooded (talk) 11:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh and also, how do you do a reference section? Like the litle numbers that you sometimes see besides words and sentences? Goldblooded (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Information about the lead section is summarised at WP:LEAD. About sources: When you cite a source, stick the source between <ref></ref> (example: Adolf Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933.<ref>Adolf Hitler: A biography of the world's dictator, ISBN, publication date, etc</ref>). You can name a reference with <ref name="name">Adolf Hitler: A biography of the world's dictator, ISBN, publication date, etc</ref> so you can cite the source again with <ref name="name" /> (the slash is important). When you finish, put {{reflist}} at the bottom of the page, and all your references should appear. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 08:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh right , So can it be any source ; ie from a tv documentary , a book or even a website? Thanks for the coding by the way , ill definately keep that in mind for my articles. Goldblooded (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Also , Whats an acceptable number of references for an article to have? Goldblooded (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC).

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Talk page

Thanks! Rollback is a nice tool, isn't it. I hope you saw the note I left on their talk page--in other circumstances, I would not have undercut your promise, but there was nothing there. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Heh, well after he had a quick exchange with Malik Shabazz, he seems to have avoided being blocked. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

That's one thing that's often overlooked: that a bit of cooperation often helps. Later, Drmies (talk) 02:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Signature

Hi Comrade Sigma, I just stumbled across Hammer and sickle and saw this nice and tidy sign "☭". I suggest you put this as your signature. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:08, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I removed it a few months ago, and do not plan using it again until October. Further information can be seen in my May 2011 archive. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 06:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Why did you remove it? Should have made your sign. "Hammer and sickle ☭" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp33dyphil (talk • contribs) 06:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

WQIO 93.7 FM - "Ohio's Super Station"

My contribution has been marked for speedy deletion. Frankly, I don't understand why. Can you help me or suggest how I can correct it. I am only trying to promote a historical time of this radio station from back in the late 1980's when it was extremely popular in Ohio. I am not promoting the station for any commercial gain, etc. Xyzmikey (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Palestrina Choir

Hello Σ. I am just letting you know that I deleted Palestrina Choir, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question.Whoops, yes it did, both tags were applicable. Automated message fail!A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 00:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC) Thank you. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I stand by my tag. You could've deleted it under two CSD criteria. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 23:58, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Christmas past

I added copyvio to the reasons when I deleted her. Anything starting "Critically acclaimed emerging vocalist" is going to be a copyvio, especially when 2008 is the latest date mentioned... A quick gsearch revealed that her emergence seems to be stalled at that date. The bit I quoted is also a bad thing to say on WP - 'emerging' meaning not yet, and 'critically acclaimed' means the public haven't cottoned on yet. I like working with words..... Peridon (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. If CSBot were working, I'm sure it would've been caught. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 22:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Summer Eleven

Was deleted in the end. RDN1F (talk) 19:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

By an AfD. It's still not able to be deleted by CSD A7. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 22:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion vote templates

I notice you have created {{User:Userfy}}, {{User:Redirect}}, etc. These are almost eligible for speedy deletion under criterion U2: even though the users Userfy (talk · contribs), Redirect (talk · contribs), etc. may exist, they probably do not want deletion vote templates as their user page.

I suggest you move these templates into template space, perhaps at {{vote-redirect}}, etc. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Per the TfD, they cannot be recreated in the template space. I decided that like most userboxes, the templates could be placed in userspace instead. Would it help if I wrapped the voting part in includeonlys, so that the userpage would show no content when viewed directly? --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 22:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

...And I've created userfy (talk · contribs), with no intention to ever log in to it. It cannot be deleted under U2 anymore. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 04:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Σ/Testing facility/Glop

I noticed the link to User:Σ/Testing facility/Glop at RFA, beyond the hypo question, I didn't see any attribution, doesn't that make User:Σ/Testing facility/Glop a violation of the (CC-BY-SA)/(GFDL) licensing of the original? (not hypothetically) Monty₈₄₅ 04:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Of Tappy jack shack? I've added a link. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 04:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, would have specified, didn't realize it was rotating. Yeah that should bring it into compliance. Thanks. Monty₈₄₅ 04:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

RfA question

I'll get to your second question at my RfA tomorrow...the university's wireless network in my dorm appears to have first quit working and then vanished entirely. I assume it will be working tomorrow or on other parts of campus, at least, but still, for now I'm stuck editing from iPhone and it doesn't handle large sections like the questions one well. Sorry for the delay. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 05:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

IS THE BLUE MOON REALLY RARE?

You tagged IS THE BLUE MOON REALLY RARE? for speedy deletion as a copyright violation, but you didn't indicate what the original source was. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I completely recognise the 2nd paragraph from a book which I read a few days ago. Thus, my tag was made in error, as G12 applies for pure copyvios. Thanks for catching that. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

This is probably my worst tag of the month. I assure you it will never happen again. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Abuse response

Hi Sigma, could you please fill out this Abuse Response report completely as it would be of great assistance to the team. Thank you! —James ^{(Talk • Contribs)} • 8:32pm • 10:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry, I should have been more specific...at your comment in the neutral section I replied about about the tool. My bad. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 00:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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You're welcome...

...to leave user talk page comments for all my edits in future if you want! --Pontificalibus (talk) 22:20, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Deadmau6

Hello Σ, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted Deadmau6, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. Thanks, Blurpeace 08:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

This is one of the few tags I remember. I believe it was something along the lines of "Deadmau is a person on Youtube, but his name is really Deadmau6, not Deadmau7 as everyone believes". Oh well, I see how it could be a G3. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 23:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Your signature

Just messaging you to say your signature is really cool! How did you stylize it so well (e.g layers)? ϟheled ☏→Skeletalk 16:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I used span tags, you can see them in my signature after I sign this. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 23:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Re your edit to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/AnomieBOT 53

Re this edit, that's why I use ClueBot III to archive my talk page: it automatically corrects links to the archived section (as here, for example). Thanks though, for trying to keep links from rotting. Anomie⚔ 02:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, another one of the almighty ClueBot's fascinating features, which I was never aware of. No matter, my edit has been reverted now. Thanks for teaching me. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean for you to revert your edit, just letting you know in case you would find the knowledge useful. Anomie⚔ 02:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd hate to waste another edit doing nothing, essentially. But regarding the bot, that is enlightening material. Thank you. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Camila bonilla prefix:Wikipedia:Manual of Style

You might double check that speedy criteria you tagged it with against the page history... Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 04:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done - It is most commonly assumed that a blanked new page is G7. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 04:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that was what happened. I just know you keep a log of your nominations and thought you might want that fixed. =) Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 04:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

You also might want to let the page blanker know which CSD criterion apply. Thanks, --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 04:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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Almost

Almost a week, my friend. --Spidey665 | contribs | 00:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Third Opinion

Hey Σ , im looking for a third opinion and i asked my adoptee but he doesnt seem to be responding :/

Do you think that a user was right to removed the flags in this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_veterans_of_World_War_II

His arguement was this:

It's an offshoot of a problem that was most evident in human and animal longevity articles. The most relevant sections are here and here. One issue with using flags is that they can be misleading. For example, read the sentence, "Hideki Matsui is a baseball player in the United States"; true, but Matsui is and considers himself Japanese. He only plays in the US because we have better baseball, he doesn't refer to himself as an American; sticking an American flag next to his name could lead people to think that he now considers himself to be an American. Similar things can happen with war veterans; Ernest Hemingway fought in the Spanish Civil War with Spanish forces, but was himself American. The other issue, which is far more pointed in longevity articles but still an issue here, is that nationality isn't always important. In the case of (just for fun) the war between the Red and White armies in the USSR, it doesn't really matter whether the White Army soldier was British, Russian, or American, it's more important to emphasize that the soldier fought for the Mensheviks. A final small point that's worth noting is that flag icons take up a considerable amount of bandwidth because they're transcluded onto pages; the List of living supercentenarians article, before all the flag icons were removed, took my computer a lot longer to load than it does now. Even though we aren't usually supposed to worry about performance, one of the exceptions is if you notice a change, and you can confirm that it's something specific causing it. I hope that helps.

However mine was that if i put the flags as allegience instead of birthplace , and stating the point that its the country they fought and served for and they still have the flags in the WW1 veterans page and state them as allegience ; even flagbio states that you are allowed to add flag icons to make it more clearer and even more so since its a large list and its also easier to sort and since im pretty much the only person actually bothering to edit that article i dont know why he should get preference nor do i know what gives one editor the right to change it on the ww2 paage and when i changed it back and instead of birthplace i changed it to allegience he reverted it back again (Note that this was a couple of weeks ago but it stills relevant because it hasnt been resolved) and he also got quite irritable.

It does say you are allowed to add flags for millitary purposes :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSFLAG#Flags it says -

Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality - such as military units, government officials, or national sports teams. In lists or tables, flag icons may be relevant when the nationality of different subjects is pertinent to the purpose of the list or table itself.

Plus its on the WW1 version of it. Goldblooded (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

First off, you shouldn't call people trolls. My opinion on the matter is that you should add the icons for the first few instances of each country, to familiarise the reader with them, and leave the rest of them as is. United States has been overlinked there, too. Hope this helps, --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 22:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

True although it was annoying that he kept changing it and according to the wikipedia rules it is allowed for millitary purposes,despite the fact that im pretty much the only person actually bothering to edit the page and noone supported him either. Besides we've made up and hes actually a decent guy, You can check my talkpage (and his) for proof of that. But anyway; Basicially your saying i should add a few or just leave it? But really whats the point of half finishing the job, it would be easier to put all the flags up there (as before) becasue its also easier to sort and as ive said it isnt the country they were nessarially born in its the allegience. Goldblooded (talk) 08:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Not being pushy or anything but it would be nice if i could have some sort of response because even the guy involved told me to go and ask for a third opinion and then come back later when ive got a reply to settle the dispute. Goldblooded (talk) 02:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

But there's another thing. Are the flags even necessary? --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 22:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

As i said, it makes it easier to sort; paticulary usefull since im actually the only person bothering to edit it, besides the fact that it looks bland without it and its more interesting to read with them too and its on the WW1 version of the exact same page anyway. Goldblooded (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the flags are more of a colorful supplemental illustration than something that is absolutely needed in the list. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Do you think i should let the guy know who changed them? (his arguement is above about the flag bio) Goldblooded (talk) 07:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you put it on the article's talk page. The discussion can move there. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 04:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind ive had enough of stalling. Ive changed it; Its not up to one user alone and ive already got the support of someone else and yourself so that is more than enough evidence. Goldblooded (talk) 14:23, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Σ, there's a history to this you're not aware of. WP:FLAGBIO is very explicit about not using flag icons for certain things. The "one editor" is me (and incidentally, two other editors supported me); down this road lies madness. Look at the history of List of living supercentenarians for what I mean. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I suppose that in any case the list is covered by "Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance", but if it didn't, I still stand by what I said before. They aren't absolutely necessary. →Σ _{^talkcontribs} 06:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, Thanks for your advice, I will go through that page. But when I tagged for deletion, It had not enough context. sorry I am new here, I ll be careful next time. Cheers ansuman (talk) 05:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hm, a recursive talkback template. Interesting. →Στc. 07:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

2012 NBA Finals

Do you think this be deleted without going to AfD or is this going to have to go there? Baseball Watcher 00:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I've tagged it under CSD A3. →Στc. 00:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nominatio of HIPAA vs The Cloud

I've swapped the speedy tag on this for a PROD - it's not exactly unambiguous advertising, and doesn't really fall under any of the other speedy criteria. Agree wholeheartedly that it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, though. Yunshui (talk) 07:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I think it was promoting an opinion. →Στc. 07:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I can sort of see why you'd think that, but it's so confusingly written that I really can't make head nor tail of what that opinion is! Yunshui (talk) 08:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you may have had the right idea after all... Yunshui (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Your WP:VINFO version

On your version of WP:VINFO, here, on level 2 (which it's at right now), the crosshairs cover up the purge link so it can't be clicked. Could the picture be moved? Also, could the image link to WP:VINFO, for easier updating? Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 04:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks for letting me know. →Στc. 04:52, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

A 20 Years Of The Worker's And Peasants Red Army Medal for you!

File:20YearsOfTheRedArmyMedal.jpg	The 20 Years Of The Worker's And Peasants Red Army Medal
	Awarded for your never-ending contributions in cleanup work, helping other editors, and generally heroic efforts to keep Wikipedia ahead of its lame rivals. I decided this was more appropriate than the Tireless Contributor's Barnstar. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. →Στc. 01:11, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

MotD

Out of curiosity, why are you using that template for supporting nominations? We all can see what the !vote is anyways; it seems as though you are trying to draw attention to yourself with the big plus. Forgive me if I sound rude, but I couldn't think of another way to ask. By the way, I would love it if you could reply here. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 04:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I got bored of the icons used in Ais523's script (I don't do javascript so I can't make my own), saw that {{support}}, {{oppose}}, etc. got deleted by TfD, and as content in the User: namespace is given more leeway than in other namespaces, like a userbox, I simply created the templates in userspace. →Στc. 05:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

But why use a template at all? It is distracting, and one can see plainly what your !vote is without the icon. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 05:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I think comments look better when accompanied by images. Commons Featured X Voting looks fascinating to me. Another point, it is faster and easier to glance at a page and see the red and green than reading "oppose" and "support". →Στc. 05:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I see you've already mentioned this script, and I just wanted to mention something interesting: your templates are confusing to users of that script (including me) because they have a different color and size. I thought that was interesting. (I'm referring to when you use them at XfD (keep, delete, move), they're more confusing than the support and oppose ones.) Examples:

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Delete Delete User:Delete Delete

As you can see, it can be confusing. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 14:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You are right; it does make it easier to count up support and oppose !votes. However, that can lead very easily into doing nothing but that, as opposed to reading the actual comments, and I would think that we wouldn't want to be doing that. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 22:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

One more thing I noticed: the script I linked to uses the exact same "support" and "oppose" pictures as that Commons page. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 23:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I simply got tired of the images used on Commons, and think the ones I am using look better. It's only a personal preference, but in any case anyone with a rudimentary education in javascript (which I lack) can modify Ais523's script appropriately. →Στc. 01:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Can you respond to what I said, please? :) It seems to have been buried. ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 01:19, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I never noticed your reply until now. My apologies. Anyway, the flagicons are merely to quickly guide someone to see the general drift of the consensus, and to help make discussions more colorful, less tl;dr. →Στc. 02:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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• If you have any further questions regarding this study, please do not hesitate to contact Dr. Stanley Varnhagen, my research advisor for this project. If you have concerns about this study, you may contact the University of Alberta Research Ethics Committee at 780-492-2615. This office has no affiliation with the study investigators.

INDICATING CONSENT

By answering these questions, you indicate your agreement with the following statements:

• That you understand that you have been asked to be in a research study.

• That you have read and received a copy of the Information Sheet, attached below (“Additional Information”).

• That you understand the benefits and risks involved in taking part in this research study.

• That you have had an opportunity to ask questions and discuss this study.

• That you understand that you are free to refuse to participate, or to withdraw from the study at any time, without consequence, and that your information will be withdrawn at your request.

• That the issue of confidentiality been explained to you and that you understand who will have access to your information (see “Additional Information”).

• That you agree to participate.

Thank-you again!

Emailed answers. →Στc. 20:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Response

Thanks for that tip, ill definately bear than in mind, i have heard of those templates before but i always assumed that only admins could use such tools. But in other words , thanks for watching over my edits. Goldblooded (talk) 20:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on Coal ball

Just wanted to drop a little friendly congratulations on getting coal ball to good article status. Moogwrench (talk) 01:38, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Young people

It's a little heartless, perhaps, to use the standard warning templates instead of a personal notice when young people under 12 post their autobios as an article. I changed the deletion reason for one you speedy tagged from A7 to A2, test page, as I usually do in such cases, deleted the template, and gave a personal explanation. Think how you were like at that school level, and how you would have felt. DGG ( talk ) 01:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm actually a bit surprised. {{Db-notability-notice}}, our official A7 template, has spent two years being pruned and tweaked to its current state, and has remained the same since October 2010. How can our official template, endorsed by Huggle, Twinkle, and the {{db-a7}} itself, have any problems at all? →Στc. 05:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

most people use the standard templates most of the time, & I certainly wouldn't have brought this up at all to you, because using one is considered perfectly acceptable. That wasn't the real point of the message. It was using the template in this particular situation: the apparent age of the user. This person needs something important: he needs to be told it is not safe that at that age to put your age and name together with identifying information such as your school class on the internet. See WP:YOUNG for our standard practice. I should have made that clearer to you--my fault in that. (As for what age to concern ourselves with, opinions vary--I usually do 13 or lower. Some advocate 18 or lower, but I don't think in the present day & age that's realistic.)

As an aside, I am, in fact thinking of rewriting the basic template; I could get it down to 3/4 the size & say the same thing, with more focussed advice. And there's a delusion that polite expressions help; what helps is friendly but clear brevity. People tend to read the first line of notices, they see the word "deletion" and that's the last you see of them. But this is something I will work on elsewhere

What will always be the case, no matter how good the template, that something that looks like a mechanical message is unfriendly. It also always helps to make clear that you've actually seen and understood the actual article they were trying to write. You can incorporate a sentence in the standard template now, but an entirely "hand-written" message is still more helpful, & no matter how good a template I write I would use it only where there's no reason to expect the editor might become a useful Wikipedia (& even as is I often use the standard ones myself in such situations as corporate spam-- they know perfectly well what they are doing--if they seem really not to understand, i do try to say something which might communicate more effectively.) But that's your choice, & I know I'm probably in a minority. Most people seem not to want the responsibility of writing their own messages. DGG ( talk ) 23:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Hold off on Cluebot

{{trout}}

You've been trouted for misconfiguring the bot's target page on several admin boards. Check my contribs to see the fixes which may explain what you did wrong. I have left a note at the AN talk page. There needs to be more discussion before implementation.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 15:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. I had no idea it would do that. Sorry! →Στc. 21:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

ClueBot

You just missed a classic facepalm moment on ClueBot's talk page! Made me smile anyway!--5 albert square (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

→Στc. 00:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Gerald The Cat

Which was it-- a person, a real animal ,a group, a firm, or internet content? It obviously cannot be an article, but i cannot find a real reason for speedy deletion. If you send it to AfD, I'll suggest a snow delete to remove it quickly. Meantime, I'll see if I cna persuade the contributor to withdraw it. DGG ( talk ) 03:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh...... I was thinking it was an animal... my mistake, I should've looked more carefully at the content. I suppose it could be a hoax, though. →Στc. 03:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Now deleted by NawlinWiki. →Στc. 03:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Se my comment there. But yes, I do understand your original rationale. If it had been an article about the classroom cat, it would have been a valid a7. DGG ( talk ) 05:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Patrolling

Yeah thanks Σ , so far so good. Usually i leave the more disputed articles for more experienced members to decide anyway, I try and just tag the ones that are clearly irrelevant, either that its someones family member or friend (That's when its obvious A7 would apply), or merely just plain vandalism like ones that call so and so is such and such etc. Goldblooded (talk) 07:19, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah , I've just merged my accounts , ill look into the discussions in a bit. Thanks for the help i really appreciate it. Also, i saw you were taking reviews so i just gave you a brief review as well :) Goldblooded (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thanks for redirecting Rudong (village) and notifying the original author. Kudos for the efficient and sensible approach as well, I probably wouldn't have thought of it. wctaiwan (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I redirected it to a redlink, on accident. Thought you might like to know that. →Στc. 00:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I know. Doesn't change the intent though. wctaiwan (talk) 05:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Coal ball

I have a brief comment on the coal ball article; "Their findings reinforced^[2]". Usually, a punctuation mark is put before a reference; try rewording the sentence so a comma can be put there. HurricaneFan25 20:12, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I've moved the reference to the end of the sentence. Hope it helps. →Στc. 23:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

regarding page on lady davis fellowship.

I have no idea why you are cosnidering the information as a spam. You can check yourself and find out what is the Lady Davis Fellowship and possibly you can create a page. Please keep in mind that people around you have knowledge! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.252.120 (talk) 00:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

The page uses too many shiny words and first-person pronouns. Please stop removing the speedy deletion notice. Thanks. →Στc. 00:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle

Ive noticed that Twinkle doesnt seem to work on Internet Explorer, however it works on Google Chrome- is that suppose to happen? Because i prefer IE :/ Goldblooded (talk) 20:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle works on IE9, but not earlier IE versions. If you have a Windows Vista computer you may need to upgrade to IE9, if you have Windows 7 you should already have IE9. If you have XP or earlier, no Twinkle with IE. See WP:TW/DOC. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 20:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh right. Well I've got Windows 7 but i got it when windows 7 first came out, have you got the download link for IE9? :) Goldblooded (talk) 09:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Link. You'll need to select a language, then your version of Windows, then click "Download." Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 12:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Got it, Thank you for your help :) Goldblooded (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)