Онеми

February 2024

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please stop. You need to find sources.  // Timothy :: talk  15:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

of all the people who create pages with wars in Kazakhstan, I know only one person. We don't have any more people. All we can do is quote. Please stop. Онеми (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to help you create properly sourced articles. Do not restore unsourced material per WP:BURDEN and WP:V.  // Timothy :: talk  15:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I am very grateful, know. I don't have time to do this. Онеми (talk) 15:22, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

If you do not have time to learn how to and properly source material, then you do not have time to edit articles. This is not Russian wikipedia, sourcing requirements on English Wikipedia are different and you need to follow these guidelines and policy.  // Timothy :: talk  16:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

хорошо, я успокоюсь. Онеми (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll calm down. Онеми (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Here are some resources every editor on Wikipedia should understand with regard to sourcing and adding content. Please read: WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:V (note this is a policy not a guideline), WP:CITE, WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:BURDEN. You can ask questions here or at the WP:TEAHOUSE.  // Timothy :: talk  16:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Your report on me has been rejected, what are you going to do next? If I don't restore it, someone else will. You don't know the history of Kazakhstan, but you're being smart Онеми (talk) 15:55, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

and yes, the third message about the battles and other clashes of the Kazakhs. Онеми (talk) 15:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

You need to read WP:LISTCRITERIA.  // Timothy :: talk  14:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024 (2)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at List of wars involving Kazakhstan, you may be blocked from editing. As has been discussed before, you cannot add material that does not meet the article WP:LISTCRITERIA. If you do not understand this guideline you can ask for help at the WP:TEAHOUSE

Changes to the article title and lade need to be discussed and find WP:CONSENSUS BEFORE being made.  // Timothy :: talk  14:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

if I rename the article to "wars and battles of Kazakhstan" will you stop interfering with the development of the Kazakh fandom? Онеми (talk) 14:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires you to find WP:CONSENSUS before making this change.  // Timothy :: talk  14:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Of all the people who edit, it's me and you. Okay, one more person.

There are only three of us. That man is my friend. He will obviously agree with me. Then you can already change. I don't see the point in looking for all those who have ever edited an article. Онеми (talk) 14:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Getting your friends to support you is called WP:CANVASSING. It is against Wikipedia guidelines.  // Timothy :: talk  14:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not forcing him to support me. He will want it himself, by he started editing before me. I am sure that he will support me. Онеми (talk) 14:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you ever read any of the guidelines I post for you?  // Timothy :: talk  14:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm reading them. Онеми (talk) 15:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Problem continues

I will be as clear as possible: Information you add to English Wikipedia needs to:

• Be properly sourced per WP:CITE, WP:RS
• Be verifiable per WP:V
• Meet the article list criteria per WP:LISTCRITERIA.

The list criteria is very clear: "The following is a topical outline of English Wikipedia articles about Kazak military history." You need to provide verifiable reliable sources showing the content meets list criteria. Being part of an empire does not mean the Kazaks were automatically involved in every conflict that empire was involved in. You need to provide sources showing Kazaks were involved and that information needs to be verifiable per WP:V.

If you think I am wrong and intended to continue this problem, post to WP:ANI and explain the situation. Otherwise stop.  // Timothy :: talk  05:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it is not indicated where the Kazakhs are involved in conflicts, especially in early history. Онеми (talk) 05:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Vandal

Hy Mate, please don't Vandalize the Article of Siege of Moscow (1382) As A Source is Mentioned. Basically your Point is How Timur Participated If he was Enemy of Tokhtyamish. Thats not the Full Story, Timur was First Ally of Tokhtaymish & he even Supported him in the War of Succession, he even Helped & Participated in Siege of Moscow. Later A Dispute Happened which Cause Rivalry Between Golden Horde & Timur. This All is Stated in the Articles of Tokhtymish & Timur DeepstoneV (talk) 05:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

An attempt at clarification of some points

From reading the above messages, it seems that you have not understood a few essential points about editing Wikipedia, so here are a few pointers to help you understand.

1. Your question "will you stop interfering with the development of the Kazakh fandom?" suggests a significant misunderstanding of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a fan site, and unlike fan sites requires content to be supported by reliable and verifiable evidence, not just by the fact that some "fan" wants it there.
2. You have repeatedly posted material to articles without any sources indicating that it belongs there. For example, you have added into Outline of Kazak military history links to other articles, where neither do those other articles mention any Kazak involvement, nor have you provided any evidence of Kazak involvement. That is not how Wikipedia works: content of articles must be supported by references to verifiable sources. The unsubstantiated say-so of just someone who has chosen to create a Wikipedia account is not sufficient grounds for inclusion.
3. You have said "Unfortunately, it is not indicated where the Kazakhs are involved in conflicts, especially in early history". In that case, very simply, we must not include statements that they were involved. Whatever may be suitable for fan sites, on Wikipedia if we don't know whether something happened or not then we don't say that it did, and we don't say that it didn't. We don't just post our guess that it did.
4. Openly stating that your intention is to rely on support from a friend to impose your preferred version is unacceptable. That is not how Wikipedia works.
5. Unfortunately, when editors have tried to help you better understand how Wikipedia works by posting messages explaining things, instead of trying to learn from those messages, you have shown a tendency to just brush them off and indicate an intention of continuing in the same way as before. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and works by editors trying to cooperate, not by individual editors doing things in their own preferred way and ignoring what everyone else thinks.
6. Almost all of us, when we start editing Wikipedia, know little or nothing about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, so nobody can be blamed for starting out doing things that are contrary to policies and guidelines that they don't know about. However, continuing to do the same things after being told about the relevant policies and guidelines is a different matter. Editors who continue to edit contrary to Wikipedia's standards after warnings are likely to be blocked from editing by administrators. I have taken some time and trouble to write this message, in the hope that it will help you to avoid being blocked from editing. Please read it carefully, think carefully about what it says, and try to follow my advice. I would find it disappointing if it turned out that my time and efforts have been wasted, so that you continue in the same way and are blocked. Please make sure that doesn't happen. JBW (talk) 22:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Ways to improve Battle of Talki

Hello, Онеми,

Thank you for creating Battle of Talki.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

It is not clear when the event took place exactly

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Mccapra}}. Remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.

Delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Mccapra (talk) 21:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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