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Happy editing! Pathworkzerone (talk) 09:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
December 2021
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Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Herod the Great, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Do not change BCE to BC per MOS:ERA. CodeTalker (talk) 23:09, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- All the other contemporary articles I've seen have BC and AD. 79.169.228.122 (talk) 23:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Herod the Great. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Please read MOS:ERA and open a discussion on the article talk page if you still think these changes are appropriate. CodeTalker (talk) 23:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- I realize that this could be frustrating if you have a strong preference for one era style, as many editors do. But the debate over whether articles should use BC/AD or BCE/CE is a long-standing one on Wikipedia, and cannot be fully resolved to everybody's satisfaction. Changing articles from one era style to the other frequently results in edit warring and protracted arguments. As a result, WP:ERA was formulated to establish when it's appropriate to change dates from one style to the other. For instance, internal consistency—if most of an article uses one style, it's fair to make sure that the same style is used throughout. If you're substantially rewriting an article (not just making typical improvements), you may usually pick the style you prefer. Sometimes there may be reasons why a particular era style is preferable for a specific article: for example, articles focusing on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam may tend to prefer or avoid one style—although even here there's plenty of debate about the era. If in doubt, it's usually a good idea to take it up on the article's talk page, so that editors who've contributed to that article, or who patrol it to ward off vandals, can weigh in. If you can establish consensus for a particular era style this way, you can change it to whatever the consensus favoured (note that "consensus" means "general agreement", not "majority vote", which is subtly different in this instance). As with many things, experience will help you avoid becoming entangled in thorny issues like this. Good luck! P Aculeius (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Marcus Salvidienus
editHi, me again! I found your talk page because you added a subsection to Salvidiena gens, a Roman gens article that I created or rewrote as part of a large project on Roman gentes. Usually there's just one subsection for dated members, sometimes with a separate group for those known from historians, or in this case an individual family that can be distinguished (the Salvidieni Orfiti), so the governor you added should have been added to the main section, instead of split out. I can fix that, but I note that you didn't cite him to any source, which could be important. Part of the reason is because it seems likely that he's identical with one of the men named Marcus Salvidienus who were governors of other provinces around the same time period (and I believe there was a possibility that there was only one man, known by two different surnames). I wanted to investigate further and see whether he was identical with one or both of them, but without any sources cited, it's going to take time to establish anything. Can you fill me in on where you found him, or whether it's possible he's the same as one of the other Marci Salvidieni? P Aculeius (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I have found him in the Roman administration of Judaea (AD 6–135). 79.169.228.122 (talk) 12:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, he seems to be equally unsourced there—and Wikipedia articles can't be used as sources. It needs some reliable, independent source, like a mention in Tacitus or a listing in Pauly-Wissowa, or a period inscription. I'm not going to delete the entry yet, since it seems likely to be backed up by some source that we haven't identified yet (i.e. it doesn't seem to be made-up), but when I get the chance I'll fold it into the correct subsection. P Aculeius (talk) 13:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Gregory Peter XX Ghabroyan birth place
editHi. You and I seem to disagree about where Gregory Peter XX Ghabroyan was born. I've created a discussion section on the talk page: Talk:Gregory_Peter_XX_Ghabroyan#Place_of_birth:_Syria_versus_France. Would you explain your reasoning there? Thanks. Smcpeak74 (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
You've recently made similar changes to many other articles:
- Michel Murr: Special:Diff/1062996681
- Jean Assaad Haddad: Special:Diff/1062996571
- Henri Goraïeb: Special:Diff/1062996235
- Elias Rahbani: Special:Diff/1062995923
- Jean Obeid: Special:Diff/1062995573
- Boulos Nassif Borkhoche: Special:Diff/1062995278
- Muhammad Ali al-Sabuni: Special:Diff/1062994507
- Ahmad al-Zein: Special:Diff/1062994008
- Michel Kilo: Special:Diff/1062992928
- and quite a few more before that.
These changes appear to be contrary to the usual conventions of how peoples' place of birth is described, and contrary to usage in the sources cited by the affected articles. Is there a Wikipedia policy that justifies these changes? Smcpeak74 (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- They simply precise in which regime or country they were living. 79.169.228.122 (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate the desire for precision, but the way this information is currently communicated is, I believe, wrong. As things stand, for each of the people listed above, Wikipedia currently claims that person was born in France, which I think most people would consider to be false. Place of birth is primarily a geographic rather than political concept. See for example the US State Department's Place of Birth guidelines and the Canadian government's Place of birth of person, both of which focus on the geographic place. If you think I'm wrong about that, would you like to ask for a third opinion? Smcpeak74 (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. It's been a few days. Do you have any further thoughts on the discussion? Smcpeak74 (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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