User talk:ARoseWolf/Archive 3

January 2022 Women in Red

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Happy New Year!

Hello Rose! I hope you had a happy new year! For Christmas (which I was absent for since I left in the evening on Christmas day to go to the 2021 Alamo Bowl and a trip to San Antoni) I got an SSD For my computer which I'm very happy with and I"m now able to play many games I haven't been able to before. Got home New Year's Eve at around 3 PM CST (CDT? I can never remember which one it is) and got 2 weekdays before I went back to school. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:48, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, the new year found me on the trail. It took me about a week longer than I wanted but I had planned for it. You learn to adapt and survive up here. It was aa adventure and I enjoyed moments along the way. I am very glad you had a good holiday. I am not sure what a SSD is but if it helps you do something fun that you like then I am so happy you have it. --ARoseWolf 16:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes I honestly forget that not everyone is a computer nerd like me and knows what I'm talking about. SSD, it's basically just a hard drive for a computer except faster. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Off-Wiki communication

Hola! I was wondering if there was any way for us to contact you off-wiki? we have access to discord and email mostly. -Camilo RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

RemusSandersRegretsEverything Camilo, you may contact me by email. There is a link on my User page on the far right of the screen above the steps which reads "Email Me". If you click on that you should be able to send me an email. I will respond soon as I can. For whatever reason google mail has been sluggish when it works at all. I once had a Discord account but have discontinued it as it became problematic. --ARoseWolf 17:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay! Let us know if you get another account! Adios amiga/amigo/amigue! -Camilo RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Encyclopedia

Do you still edit Wikipedia? – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

AssumeGoodWraith, Hello and yes, kind of, as I am able. I am taking a Winter break and not getting involved in anything too heavy until Spring because I don't know how often I will be online. Still, I love to help out any where I can. --ARoseWolf 13:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@AssumeGoodWraith:, I apologize if it didn't ping you. I didn't add the colon needed so I edited. Sometimes I forget. I thought if I updated the time stamp it would ping you but it may not have. --ARoseWolf 14:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy To See You Again

Heyyyy I’m very happy to see you editing again, your absence was felt at the Teahouse, although 331dot, Nick Moyes, Myself and the good ol' regulars held down the fort, we were clearly “understaffed” in terms of editors with proficiency in policy. Once more, I’m happy you are back. Happy new year to you dear friend. Celestina007 (talk) 23:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007, always glad to help at the Teahouse. You probably named the who's who of Teahouse hosts. I'd include Cullen and a few others on that list for sure. I love reading the responses to questions and I learn so much from them. I would recommend other editors to read the Teahouse. The hosts there are so knowledgeable. Being an experienced editor can be frustrating, especially when dealing with new editors. But at the Teahouse it takes a great deal of patience because questions about the same issues are repeatedly asked. Remaining calm, kind and understanding so critical. I am impressed by many of the responses and subsequent discussions. Happy New Year to you too, sweet Song and friend. --ARoseWolf 14:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks dear friend, I honestly feel the same way about the Teahouse. The serenity and the general affinity I have for teaching is precisely why I edit there, I have had a reputation of being rather stern but there I make beyond conscious efforts to be as cute and friendly as possible to the “new flowers” and yes you are apt! When I make mention of the “good ol' regulars” I reference veterans such as Cullen328, Hoary and ColinFine, Infact on my Userpage I expressly name them. I’m just happy to see you editing again. Celestina007 (talk) 15:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007, I will still be editing quite lightly, especially until March, but I'm around. Thank you for being such an amazing wiki-friend. --ARoseWolf 16:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words they mean a lot to me, In any form you edit, it is very appreciated. Do stay safe my friend. Celestina007 (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Good Job!

		The Good Jb! Award
		This reply you left was very thoughtful. If only more people like you took the time to thoroughly leave advice rather than dropping a bunch of sentence fragments. Panini!🥪 13:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Panini!, I'm speechless. Thank you for your kind words. I don't expect it so when it happens it is truly a surprise and I am even more appreciative. --ARoseWolf 13:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

ARoseWolf,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Itcouldbepossible^Talk 15:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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ItcouldbepossibleTalk 15:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, I never wanted argue with you, but for some reason, am having to. But that doesn't make you different. I always liked you and your editing. I hope that the dispute would soon be over. Thanks again. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 15:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible, what argument are you referring to? I don't think you and I have had an argument about anything. You mentioned that an IP or group of IP's is actually a particular editor that is evading their indefinite block so I asked two editors, one of which was involved in discussions with the aforementioned editor and one for which I highly respect for their work here in combatting sock and meat puppetry, what they thought about the situation. At no point did myself or either of the editors I opened dialogue with call you a sock of anyone and I find it a little bizarre that you would suggest that we did. When someone edits here against policy, not good faith mistakes, then it is a serious thing and should be taken seriously. I was just seeking counsel, not looking for anyone to do anything. I am thankful for the responses from @Blablubbs and @Celestina007. --ARoseWolf 16:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Question from Eminent Bwoi on Mitch Ward (19:23, 14 January 2022)

I don't understand this very well --Eminent Bwoi (talk) 19:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Eminent Bwoi: Hello Eminent. RoseWolf is currently on a winter break so I will be answering your question in her absence. What exactly do you not understand? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Winter is here

Hello Rose! Hope you've been doing well. Winter has finally hit my state after fairly warm weather throughout all of December. It appears that we almost always have a decent December, and then a wintry January through February. I also recently got to watch the movie Encanto with the rest of my family and I think we all thoroughly enjoyed it. I decided that I would try and play some of the songs on my guitar which, while they sounded good, the side of my index finger on my left hand now hurts from doing so many barre (using the side of your index finger to fret all of the strings on a single fret, similar to how a capo functions) chords, although that's probably because I haven't been playing guitar as much as I used to. I'm sure it'll hurt less if I play more over time. Also completely random but i hate it when my hair gets super long ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

in friendship

January songs

in friendship

Happy new year, in friendship! - Today seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

in case of interest, yesterday's snow (nothing compared to yours, of course) and today's music in memory of a friend here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like a lot of us got hit with a bunch of snow a few days ago. For me, it wasn't the snow that cancelled school but the cold. Luckily I had a bunch of winter gear (coat which I need to get a new one since the zipper is broken on it, gloves, and a wool Or just knitted ear warmer) to keep me warm while I shoveled our driveway. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, we have a smallish winter storm developing on the southern slopes of the Brooks and in the foothills. Could see a few days of heavy snowfall but it wont be the whiteout storms we have seen in the past. About two years ago we had a storm in October of that year that took out our weather station and we had to get it rebuilt. Luckily the State and Federal Govmnt had the same idea and rented a parcel of land to build a combination radio tower and weather observation station nearby so we have pretty good radio coverage in the main river and lake basin. It's only when you get over the surrounding mountains that you start to have issues with communication but we don't venture that far without it being planned and we always take satellite/gps gear with us. It's always good to have contingency plans though. Knowing cabin locations throughout the mountain range and the Koyukuk-Yukon plains south of here is crucial in a survival situation. So is making sure you pack adequate survival gear. Never leave home without extra rope, thermal gear, parts to fix the sled/lines and firearms (bears eat that bear repellant stuff like peanut butter). When packing it's about balance. You can never plan and carry enough for every eventuality so some of it is left up to luck and the skill of the team. I typically mush with up to 16 dogs at a time depending on why I am making the trip. --ARoseWolf 14:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

"Bears eat that bear repellant stuff like peanut butter" reminds me of that image of a dog sitting behind a spray bottle (like the stuff 409 comes in) of chew deterrent, and the dog has just completely chewed up the bottle. On another note, I've always wanted to try dog sledding. Unfortunately that wouldn't work all that well for 2 reasons, 1, where I live we don't get much snow (and when we do it doesn't stay very long) and 2, I don't think my dogs would be able to pull me on a sled. I have a dog that is a pure black lab (being the show kind which I swear originally said American on the article), and another that is part Siberian husky part black lab (she has the body of a husky if you shaved all the fur of a husky off, but pretty much everything else is from a black lab). The pure black lab would probably keep trying to lick me (She's very sweet towards her family but is a scaredy cat when it comes to new people) and the part husky part black lab would probably be trying her best but be struggling (and probably be shivering from the cold). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, sounds like you have an amazing relationship with your dogs. You would be surprised what they are capable of but the dogs we use are specifically trained and they have been in this environment all of their life. I laughed picturing them trying to pull you on a sled though only to end up on the sled themselves licking and jumping all over you. A beautiful image of love. --ARoseWolf 15:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I do indeed have an amazing relationship with my dogs. And they have an amazing relationship with each other. My lab would be devastated as much as me if the part lab part husky died as those 2 are practically sisters (we basically consider them sisters anyway). I love my dogs a lot and they love me (and they also get along surprisingly well with our cat who usually just leaves them alone anyways) and I honestly don't know what I would do if one of them were to die (honestly I would probably just get another dog since they're such great companions). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, I have a cat too. Her name is Persephone. She has ran off a bear or two herself. Our sled dogs don't usually come into contact with her, except Little Jack. He's close to retirement so he hangs out around the home a little more. I think we are going to retire him this year. Koko and Beam are going to take his place on my team most likely. Two dogs to replace one. Jack has been amazing. My other lead dog, Miska, was purchased from a friend in Anaktuvuk Pass. Jack, our trainer, worked closely with a few people from the village and we bought his dog teams when he retired from being a guide. He now chooses, purchases and trains our dogs to work with us. We have to form a very close bond with or dogs so I had to learn over 40 different personalities and names. Its been a task but also fun. --ARoseWolf 15:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you for sharing, both! 2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

update: we have now Guseva pictured, Biller pictured better (but still not on the Main page), and one more day of my pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

February with Women in Red

Women in Red Feb 2022, Vol 8, Issue 2, Nos 214, 217, 220, 221, 222 Online events: New: Black women | Hong Kong and Macau | Women in sport Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Other ways to participate: Encourage someone to become a WiR member this month by registering in the box at the top of our main page. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter --Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Question from GavriilaDmitriev (09:54, 2 February 2022)

Hello ARoseWolf‬, you seem to be my mentor. How did that happen? Is it the same as the adoptee system? I'm very open for help and support and trying to find the ropes here. Are you available on IRC? The communication might be faster there than on the talk page --GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 09:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: Hello Gavriila! There's a list of mentors (can't remember where atm) that new (and old) users get their mentors randomly assigned to. I don't know if RoseWolf is available on IRC however. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 11:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Hello Blaze Wolf! Thanks for answering so quickly. How comes you reply on behalf for ARoseWolf? Is she inactive? I'm still open to find out more and get more primer on how to get started. I just finished the tutorial --GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: This is different from WP:AAU. Have a look here and find the list of such mentors here. Adoption system is for some more experienced users unlike this new one. Thanks. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 13:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: Nope, ARoseWolf is still here. She's just currently on a Winter Break and is usually unable to answer questions on her talk page (Alaskan winters are harsh from what I've hear). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I also just saw her timezone. I think this might be an issue because it seems like we have very little overlap here.

@Blaze Wolf@TheAafi Are you aware of users which are available for this (I like the concept!) who is tech savvy and somewhere near UTC+6? GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello GavriilaDmitriev, It's awesome to meet you. I was randomly selected to be your mentor from a list. TheAafi, Thank you for providing information comparing the two systems and showing the difference between them and to both you and Blaze Wolf for all the great advice. My suggestion is to check out mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage to get familiar with how to use the new Homepage option. You can, of course, ask questions here or at the WP:Teahouse. I do not take on-wiki discussions off-wiki except maybe by email but even that it's limited. I'm sorry but I don't even know what IRC is and I don't social media. If I or any of my friends watching my talk page can assist you further, please don't hesitate to ask. :) --ARoseWolf 14:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

RoseWolf, see WP:IRC. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: I'm tech savvy, however I'm in the complete opposite timezone from you (UTC -6). But I would be glad to help you whenever I can. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

GavriilaDmitriev, My timezone is UTC+05:30 but I don't know if I'd be completely available to assist always. I've certain exams ongoing at the university but you can seek my assistance whenever required. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 14:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Some basic beginner questions from GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 14:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

1. How can I empty the alerts and notifications instead of just mark them as read in the header?
2. What is a good overview on tutorial pages I should have seen as a beginner? I'm not that new and the tutorial I did barely told me anything new. Still I completed that.
3. How to handle/clean up my own talk page usually? Can I just clean/delete in on a whim?
4. Where I can see all the subpages related to my profile? I think the tutorial created some sub pages but I can't find them linked.
5. Still at my own profile page I have the buttons 'Homepage', 'User page' and 'Talk'. Can I add more to them? Or are they static and are same for every profile?

1. When you have notifications there should be a button that says "Mark all as read", otherwise I Don't think there's a way to do so.
2. I would suggest WP:TWA, however other than that I'm not sure.
3. You can, see WP:BLANKING, but you can also set up a bot to automatically archive your talk page (although you shouldn't need to right now)
4. Only way I know to do so is to check your watchlist because all subpages should be moved to your watchlist, although there might be some way to see them without going through the watchlist.
5. Not really. There's stuff like Twinkle and RedWarn, however they aren't like the buttons you're thinking of.

Hope this helped! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: Also, (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift reply! That's really great. But as I mentioned I need more in depth answers. Most of that I was already aware of besides of the WP:Blanking, which I will read now GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 14:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: Well I can't really go much more in-depth with the answers I gave based on your questions. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

GavriilaDmitriev, To my knowledge, there isn't a quick way to dismiss notifications and alerts other than to mark them as read. You basically have a good list of links to help you get started on your talk page already. I'm not sure what else there is beyond that for a tutorial. To see your subpages you can enter User:GavriilaDmitriev in the search bar top right of the screen. A drop down box will show you your subpages. You also have the option to see every page or article that contains your search parameters at the bottom of that dropdown box. Help:Archiving a talk page will help you learn about archiving. The tabs at the top left are static unless you alter them by removing the Homepage function located in your preferences. You can not add or remove any other tabs. --ARoseWolf 15:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev:, I'm adding my cents to #4 from above. To know exactly your subpages, navigate to your "Contributions", and at the bottom of page, there are several links beginning with your username, the first is the "Subpages" option. It looks something like this: GavriilaDmitriev: Subpages, User rights, Edit count, Edit summary search, Articles created, Global: contributions, log, accounts(meta). Clicking on subpages would get you a list of all the subpages associated with your account. I hope this helps. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 16:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I should make a note that a subpage is a page that has the following format, "Base Title/Subpage title". For example, User:TheAafi/Islamic biographies is a subpage of User:TheAafi. You don't have subpages of your userpage. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 16:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Gavriila! #5 might be possible using custom JavaScript in your Special:MyPage/Vector.js, but the code to put there is beyond my ability. Best place to ask would be Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). #1 might be partly possible with some custom CSS like .mw-echo-ui-notificationItemWidget {display: none;} .mw-echo-ui-notificationItemWidget-unread {display: block;}. But that would hide all the read items all of the time, it's not like selectively deleting some reads and not others. Whatamidoing (WMF) might be interested in your use case #1. She's not the one who built mw:Help:Notifications, but her team has been adding notifications to their Discussion Tools feature, and she may know some Echo folks. (Sorry I keep pinging you to discussions, WAID.) Unfortunately, there's no straightforward way I know of to achieve either #1 or #5. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

The most common approach to #5 is to build your own nav-bar that sits on the page below the tabs. You can store it in a user subpage and transclude it onto multiple pages so that it appears as a persistent element in the page-set. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @Pelagic. I believe that #5 can be achieved in CSS, and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is the place to ask.

@GavriilaDmitriev, why do you want to empty the alerts and notifications? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF) Because I just don't want to put them just on read but really clear this list. So I can clearly see if something is new or not. It just seems cluttered for no reason. Why show me already read notifications? GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Previously read notifications are useful for finding recent discussions. If you go to Special:Notifications, you can choose to see a list of only unread notifications (with the section blank, if there are no unread notifications). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Excellent point about the notifications page Whatamidoing (WMF). To get to it, GavriilaDmitriev, click or tap on All Notifications at the bottom of the drop-down. The filter defaults to unread-only, so there is just that one extra click. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both. So I see it as confirmed that the notification button titled 'your alerts' in the top of every page can't be customized.

I looked at the Special:Notifications page and see that I can filter there for only unread. But that is not what I try to achieve. I talk about the header button only.

Thank you both for confirming that it's not possible. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 02:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

It is currently not possible. I've recorded your idea at phab:T301283, but no software team is working on that this year, so I don't expect that to change any time soon. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

February songs

February songs

frozen

Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I like my talk today (even explaining how it works), and managed to picture two more vacation days --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I made my first two real edits GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 11:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You can see it here

What could I have done better? GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 11:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Question from Aaypal Singh Bhati (15:17, 6 February 2022)

कला क्या है --Aaypal Singh Bhati (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

See Wiktionary:Art for the answer to your question. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for your kind words on my talk page. I am very moved and touched. — I do not see it “as a mob ganging up on you”. I see it as a mob ganging up on content and on new users. I’m only the messenger, and as it is often in life, the messenger is the one that gets shot to cover up the sad truths that cannot be acknowledged. — Timwi (talk) 08:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Timwi, you didn't have to respond, thank you for that. I do understand your position and I think you have valid concerns, especially in how new editors are treated here on-wiki. Society is more politicized, more divisive and more self-gratifying today than ever before. Perhaps that's a misnomer. Society has always been those things, however, with the invention of the interweb and especially social media sites it has only become more visible. --ARoseWolf 14:05, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I've probably already given you a barnstar in the past. However you deserve another one. You are probably the kindest and friendliest person I've met online and on Wikipedia. You're always very understanding of people's situations and I appreciate that and strive to act similar to you when interacting with others. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh neat, it actually went inside the formatting. Interesting. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I think I've finally figured out the proper formatting but time will tell. @Blaze, thank you so much for the barnstar. You are an amazing editor and I am so glad you came to Wikipedia. I believe kindness and understanding are central not only to the purpose of Wikipedia but to being human in general. It's something that is extremely difficult to master and that's why so few actively employ it. It's easy to be cold and indifferent. However, being kind and thoughtful is nonnegotiable to me. It is foundational to the very existence of Wikipedia if we are to continue to have effective collaboration. It's difficult at times to be who I am and be here but I will find a way to be a part of this community, be a principled creator and editor of content and be myself, just a girl that seriously loves, respects and appreciates every LifeSong I have ever come into contact with. --ARoseWolf 15:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

What I find rather interesting is (based only on your account age), you've been here for only about 3 months longer than me (I'm not counting my alt account's age since I created it and then never made a single edit with it), however you act like you've been here for much, much longer (not that it's a bad thing at all). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

It's true, I've only been here since August of 2020. I get called an old soul often and I think there is some merit in those thoughts. I'm also only in my early 30's. I've met some here much, much wiser. If I had to peg the reason why I may seem or act like I've been here longer it's because I listen and I read a lot. I treat every article and every page like an adventure or a journey. I rarely skip over words because doing so is like trying to paint on a canvas only using half the available paints. It leaves gaps that may be critical to understanding the issue or reasons for why an issue exists or is being discussed. I never dismiss something outright and I never go into a discussion believing I am an authority, know everything there is to know or simply put, believing that what I know to be truth for me is that for everyone. Why is someone else's perception of an issue more or less valid than my own or yours? Even another persons perception of me is not less valid than my own. And even with diffs presented as evidence of something there is still often an element of perception so I don't get caught up in that too much. --ARoseWolf 16:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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March editathons

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Invitation

Hi. I'd like to invite you to contribute to an article on working to create space for Indigenous history and culture on Wikipedia. The article will be simultaneously published in an academic journal and on the Wikiproject if project members agree. Your insights would be extremely valuable. I'm going to issue a similar invitation to some members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, and would welcome additional suggestions for people to invite. The article is in a very early stage of planning as my hope is that it will be fully collaborative and that everyone who wants to will have a hand in designing it (and, of course, Indigenous voices should be prioritised rather than my own).

If you are interested, or have further questions, please sign up here or leave a comment on this subpage's talk: User:Vizjim/IndigenousWikipedia. Regards and respect, Vizjim (talk) 09:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Vizjim, for extending this offer to me. It means a lot to me that you have thought about using the knowledge and experiences of those involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America to be a focus of support for this new adventure you are starting on. I want to encourage you in this path as I see it as an opportunity to share this knowledge with others that rarely get to see it on display. I see you have already invited a few from the project and I believe you have invited some of the best and those far more wise than I. I respect @Corbie and @Indigenous Girl, probably more than they would believe. I also think the world of @Yuchitown. One you might consider for the project is On Camera, who, in my opinion is one of the most passionate and dedicated editors I have been fortunate to meet here on Wikipedia. From an academic standpoint you may want to include CambridgeBayWeather and GenQuest, two editors I admire and respect for their academic viewpoints. What you'll find in my interactions with almost all of these editors is that I have had disagreements with them in the past, yet I so highly value their opinions and viewpoints that I would recommend them to anyone who is seeking to create something like what you are endeavouring to do. These are good people that, should they decide to assist you, would offer the best opportunity for your project to succeed. As for my involvement, I do not mind helping where I am able to but I feel wholly inadequate and when coupled with the diminishing time with which I have to offer to Wikipedia in this moment it would seem I am a very poor choice for a contributor to this project. --ARoseWolf 15:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Prayer for Ukraine

I took this pic in 2009. It was on the German MP yesterday, with this song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

March songs

Thank you for your comments on my talk! Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Now, you can also listen on YouTube, and more music, the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices call "Freiheit!" (freedom, instead of "Freude", joy). Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

on the Main page, finally + new flowers with a hidden butterfly --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Bach's No. 1 today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Ellemusix (20:03, 9 March 2022)

hello :) i'd like to create a wikipedia page for a singer that i am managing. how can i start to do that - uploding photos, biography, milestones etc. thank you , this is actually my first time. best regards phil --Ellemusix (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ellemusix:, first of all, welcome to Wikipedia! I really appreciate new editors and hope your journey here is very rewarding. Second, I would encourage you to read WP:COI and WP:UPE before you attempt to create or submit any article for which you may have a COI or may or may not be receiving compensation for. You do not necessarily have to be directly paid for an article to be considered a paid editor. Please review this before submitting any article for review (WP:AFC). While paid editing and COI editing is not forbidden it is strongly discouraged and you are advised to edit articles about subjects for which you don't have a COI. For editing I would encourage you to read WP:YFA and or ask questions at the WP:TEAHOUSE. For uploading images I advise you to read WP:UPIMAGE. I hope this helps answer your question. I am here to help you navigate Wikipedia so any question related to that is most welcome. --ARoseWolf 20:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Wikikristiii (22:05, 16 March 2022)

hello, i was needing to make a wiki page for twitter verification. Would you be able to help me? --Wikikristiii (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wikikristiii and welcome to Wikipedia! I am so glad you sought me out to assist you. I am, however, a bit baffled and hope you can further explain why you need a Wikipedia article written about you in order to get Twitter verification. Wikipedia is a free to access online encyclopedia that has articles, not pages, about notable subjects verified through reliable sources. While we do have biographies on people, these articles are owned by the WMF and the Wikipedia community at-large as opposed to the subjects that are being written about and we have certain criteria for what can and can not go into those articles (See WP:BLP). Without further clarification I would suggest and encourage you to read WP:YFA and WP:AUTOBIO as well as WP:COI. If you can give me more information on what you want to do and why then maybe I can better define an answer for your question. --ARoseWolf 20:32, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hope you have a lucky day!

Happy Saint Patrick's Day Wishing you health, wealth and happiness during the greenest day of the year. ––FormalDude talk 03:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

April Editathons from Women in Red

Women in Red Apr 2022, Vol 8, Issue 4, Nos 214, 217, 226, 227, 228 Online events: New: Gender studies | French overseas territories New Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Translation contest Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Other ways to participate: Encourage someone to become a WiR member this month by registering in the box at the top of our main page. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

A cup of tea for you!

I was archiving my talk page and saw a previous comment you had left, and realized it's been a while since we've crossed paths. I hope this winter has been treating you well! Curbon7 (talk) 07:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Curbon7, it's so good to hear from you. How's your pup doing? Winter has been okay here and thankfully it's almost over, for a few months anyway (lol). If I can ever help you with anything content related or if you just need a quick chat to help motivate you or take a break from editing then my talk page is always open. I'll leave the fire lit and a warm cup of tea on the stove. --ARoseWolf 13:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Things have been pretty good for me irl; winter is finally gone here in Mass, today was the first day I've been able to wear a short-sleeved shirt outside since October! As far as editing, this past month has been awful lol. The major downside about becoming a respected editor: people rely on you waaaaaaaaaaay too much, I'm learning this the hard way. I should've just stuck to being a Wiki-gnome lol. Curbon7 (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Curbon7, The second it hits 45 here I'm going for a swim in the creek near our house. There aren't many downsides to being respected but I can see how that could disrupt your flow when you are used to things a certain way. I have had people rely on me all my life and in very difficult situations I might add, some I can help and some I can't, so I can relate to how you are feeling about being overwhelmed at times. But I have one overriding fear in life...irrelevance. Not the relevance of being known like famous or something but having an impact, even if it's forever beneath the surface where few ever venture and most names remain among the dark shadows. As it relates to editing, my difficulty is in finding my niche in again. I haven't spent as much time in main space as I should like and it's been difficult to get back there. I wrote three articles in the first few months of being an editor but none created since, just flurries of copyediting and such. I do have a few drafts in the works but getting sick with leukemia really set me back and it's been hard to get my footing again. I just try to encourage others where I can, host at the Teahouse, be a mentor (something of the sort) and assist where I can. All of this leads to my desire to eventually get back into writing and creating. I've just lost focus and that opens up to all these voices at once, which is more common than most could understand. Oh to only be a Wiki-gnome and be content, such bliss. lol --ARoseWolf 15:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh gosh I really hope your health gets better! And yeah, it might take some getting used to again, but if you have a topic you're really passionate writing about, it could help you get back into the swing of things. I have the same thing sometimes with article creation where I have bouts of creativity and then periods of break. And hey, you're plenty relevant as through your line of editing you've definitely left your mark on this encyclopedia. Curbon7 (talk) 15:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Curbon7, thankfully I have been in remission since early to mid-September of last year and I'm pretty much back to doing the things I did before, just more conscious of my limitations and looking after my body. Tnank you for your kind words and I know we all have our impact. It is nice to hear it from others sometimes. --ARoseWolf 16:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

April

April songs

memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

rich in music and memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for being around --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC) updated with a more prominent link to how to listen to the concert: Freiheit! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

... and now you can listen: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

... no time yet for the May pic, - just saying that you could use my rainbow pic to create your own "barnstar" - here are examples with other pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

So sweet of you, Gerda. I'm looking over those templates now. A rainbow indeed! :) --ARoseWolf 14:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Kennethborwn (22:08, 16 April 2022)

Hello Asaraeel,

I am new to Wikipedia editing and I want to know how to help, I have used this website for a long time. --Kennethborwn (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad you came to me @Kennethborwn: and I'll try to assist you as best I can. There are many ways you can help here on the encyclopedia, such as writing articles, copyedits to existing articles, and participating in deletion discussions. Wikipedia provides innumerable sources for you, as a n editor, to learn how to edit properly here. Some have already been provided to you on your user talk page. You are encouraged to view these sources and use what you can learn from them to help us create a better encyclopedia.

As a reader you know the importance of making sure the information provided is accurate and reliable. For our policies on the use of reliable sources and what subjects are considered notable I recommend these two links (WP:RS and WP:N).

Writing a new article and getting it approved for mainspace here on Wikipedia is one of the hardest things an editor can do on the project. It is recommended that new editors perform smaller edits to the encyclopedia before attempting to write a new article. Because of this, Wikipedia has provided some helpful information on writing your first article (link provided).

Being an editor on Wikipedia is the very highest position on the project. Our admins and other positions are editors first but have been entrusted with certain tools to assist the community with enforcement of policies, protection of the information contained on the project and clerical/administrative actions needed to make the English version of Wikipedia function properly.

On a more personal level, one of the most important but commonly overlooked aspects of the project is the need to remain civil in our discussions, even in the face of heated adversity to the position we may hold. Without civility most discussions devolve into shouting matches where one side tries to grind down the other until they submit. That's not how healthy collaborative efforts should be. A consensus of editors is the foundation of this effort and to gain it we need to collaborate effectively. Please keep this in mind when you interact with others here. I hope I have assisted you in some way and if you have further questions then please do not hesitate to ask them here or on the Teahouse. --ARoseWolf 14:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Question from Candied tangerine (18:21, 26 April 2022)

Hi I am trying to write an article about a notable person who lived in my city (~1889). When ever I try to upload a portrait of him, Wiki says it can not verify if it is something allowed.

Can you help me? --Candied tangerine (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Candied tangerine, thank you so much for coming here with your question. It can be so difficult to navigate Wikipedia at times. You may peruse WP:IMAGE or follow this direct link WP:UPIMAGE to learn how to prepare and upload an image directly to Wikipedia. You might also consider uploading the image to Wikipedia Commons. Either way I suggest you read the Image use policy prior to uploading. I hope this helps. Please let me know if I can be of service in any other way. Good luck and happy editing. --ARoseWolf 18:50, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse

Hi, ARoseWolf! I have a question about answering questions at the Teahouse and I don't want to overly bother busy Panini. I'm not sure how well I've answered so far, particularly on the question I edit-conflicted with you on earlier. I wanted to ask if it's better if I offer the help I can give if a question hasn't been answered for a while, even if I can't answer it all or make a mistake, or to wait and let more experienced editors handle it? This thread, for instance, hasn't yet been answered and while it's highly specific in content, if it follows the core content policies could it not be a Wikipedia article? Perfect4th (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I'm glad you came here, Perfect4th, with your question or concern. I think you answered very well. We all are at different levels of understanding when it comes to Wikipedia. I think you and I answered as well as we could. David actually had a better understanding after looking at it further and wrote a more completed answer to the question. Sometimes it works that way. I say, if you feel you can offer a response that is informative, points them to a solution and remains civil yet firm in policy then go for it. Edit conflicts are a regular thing on the Teahouse (lol). I usually don't answer questions on something I don't have much experience with but making a mistake or two is part of the Wikipedia experience. We learn and grow. Be bold! :-) --ARoseWolf 18:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! I will keep that in mind. I definitely have a lot more to learn! :) Perfect4th (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Perfect4th, you are most welcome! Feel free to stop by with questions, concerns or a quick chat anytime. Let me know ahead of time and I'll put some cookies on to bake. ;-) (lol) --ARoseWolf 19:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

		Sunshine!
		Hello ARoseWolf! ─ The Aafī (talk) has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, thank you for the sunshine and the wikilove. It is most precious to me as are you. --ARoseWolf 18:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

One really feels happy while knowing that some nice people on the other end of earth hold him precious. Thanks! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 22:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

There are few things that I appreciate more than a warm cup of coffee to help me get through the day, especially during cold and long winters. It has been a while and I came to say hello — how have you been and are you staying sufficiently warm? I hope this coffee helps! How has your health been? — The Most Comfortable Chair 18:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

The Most Comfortable Chair, I'm so happy to hear from you. A warm cup of tea or coffee always makes me feel better. We've moved above freezing during the day. It's almost swimming weather (45°f). We're still dropping into the low to mid 20's at night. I'm ready for Summer and wildflower salads. I feel the best now since my diagnosis. I'm still in complete remission and I'm enjoying every detail of life. --ARoseWolf 19:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

That's very good that you are feeling well and in remission. I'm glad to hear it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Tryp. I appreciate you more than I could ever express. I get a lot of, I genuinely feel somewhat unworthy, compliments for my kind and caring nature but how can I not be kind and caring towards a community of people that have given me so much of the same. Like the primary rainbow with its reflective bow seen as a double rainbow, I reflect the kindness and caring nature of the Songs I am so fortunate to listen to here through your edits and discussions. So the compliments belong to you and I am honored to know EVERYONE that has EVER come to this talk space or that I have met out in any of the other spaces. --ARoseWolf 20:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Music to my ears! Winter has started to fade where I am at and I am going to miss it. But here's to this coming summer, and many many many more summers that you are going to be ready for! — The Most Comfortable Chair 15:42, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from AmarUjalaWiki (10:51, 30 April 2022)

How can I protect a page I created from editing by other users? --AmarUjalaWiki (talk) 10:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Just noting that the account asking that question has been indeffed. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Tryptofish, Thank you for updating me on this. I had run across them at the Teahouse and was concerned by the similarity with their user name and the articles they were writing/editing. I guess Cullen saw that too. All I could do is warn them but decided to do it in a welcome. --ARoseWolf 12:47, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

May 2022 at Women in Red

Women in Red May 2022, Vol 8, Issue 5, Nos 214, 217, 227, 229, 230 Online events: New: Women in the Ancient World | British Overseas Territories Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Translation contest (second month) Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Wikimedia District of Columbia: 100 DC Women contest The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Innisfree987 (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

May songs

May songs

Thank you for your post for Hammersoft! - I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. - I took and picked the blue-and-yellow pic last year for May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

I hate that I can't communicate what I want to say sometimes and I hope it came across right. I can support all individuals involved while also expressing concerns. I love your pictures, Gerda. They are always so beautiful and speak volumes to me. --ARoseWolf 14:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Don't hate please - I agree that pictures are sometimes an easier expression. This one looks a flag to me, blue and yellow living, with green for hope (against all odds, as El C said). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, okay, no hate. :) You know, all three colors are in the rainbow. Green is absolutely the color of hope and life reborn/renewed! I see the flag and I agree, against all odds, we must hope! --ARoseWolf 14:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

serious as you know --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

two songs today: Hey Hey Rise Up! (written by friends) and Glauben können wie du, sung by the person I have on DYK today, right below the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

today more pics, and I thought of you for the roses, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

my choir in Idstein performed an evensong (pictured), two years and two months after the last! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Gerda_Arendt, love this! The stone background looks so beautiful and sets the tone. Like those stones, each of us alone seem to amount to so little but together we can build masterpieces on a grand scale. Together! --ARoseWolf 20:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

You say such things so well: write poems! how is this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I keep a poet locked up inside me somewhere (lol). They do escape on occasion and paint something in blue. --ARoseWolf 13:12, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

blue: today saw my pic of the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra on the Main page - blue light for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Kaybeesquared (20:53, 3 May 2022)

Hello - sorry to bother you with a rookie error.

I created an article with a misspelling in the person's name and have asked for speedy delete. Is this something you can activate? Thank You --Kaybeesquared (talk) 20:53, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) If you misspelled the page title, you can just move it to the correct spelling, by Help:Move. It's no problem to leave the misspelled name behind, as a WP:Redirect. If there is something that you created that you still want deleted, and no one else has edited it, you can just do what it says at WP:G7 (blank the page to be deleted and then put {{Db-g7}} at the top of the page), and an admin will find it pretty soon. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Kaybeesquared, it's never a bother. I'm thankful I have such amazing watchers. --ARoseWolf 12:10, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Operasinger4life on Draft:AvoMD (11:43, 19 May 2022)

Hi! I’m just getting started on Wikipedia and am going to put in posts on my expertise (clinical decision support). How do I publish? I don’t see a “blue publish button” per the tutorial? --Operasinger4life (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Operasinger4life! Thank you for reaching out and I will try to assist you with your questions and concerns. Please let me know how effective my answers are. This will help me better focus and improve my effort to be a better mentor. Let's dive in to your question.

First off, Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you enjoy your adventure here and please remember that Wikipedia is a journey not a quick trip. Things usually progress slowly for a reason, at least initially. Remember to be patient. I'm going to be leaving a welcome message on your user talk page which will offer you some key links that I'm not going to provide here for you because sometimes too much linkage can seem overwhelming.

It's great that you have an expertise and we welcome you using that expertise to focus your efforts on what you want to edit here. because it is medically associated I'm going to suggest you read WP:MEDRS which details what a reliable source is for medical related articles.

In regards to the publishing there is a blue button when you edit any article or page which allows you to "Publish changes". It is located to your left on the bottom of the Editing window below the Edit Summary bar. If you are referring to moving the draft from draftspace/userspace to mainspace there are two options for that. Note that this only makes changes to the body of the article. All articles are published for public view whether in userspace, draftspace or mainspace but when it is in mainspace it is considered to be a stand-a-lone article of the encyclopedia.

Seeing as you are new I am going to suggest the Articles For Creation process first. Once you feel the article is ready for submittal to be accepted you may add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. Be aware that this process will take an undeterminable amount of time. Every reviewer is a volunteer that chooses which article they wish to review at any specific time just like we choose which articles to write about. It could be days or weeks, even a month or two. Be patient!

The second option is to move a draft directly to mainspace. This is only recommended for experienced article creators. Know that a "New Page Patroller" may review the article at any time and if they feel it is not ready for mainspace they will move it back to draftspace and request you go through the AFC process the next time.

I suggest you go through the welcome message I will be leaving on your talk page reading up on each link before proceeding. If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to ask. Remember that I am here to help you navigate Wikipedia so please allow me to help you become the best editor you can be. Thank you! --ARoseWolf 13:05, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Candied tangerine (17:06, 24 May 2022)

Hey ARoseWolf I am having some issues on wiki. I have 4 people that I have been researching over the last year, and am finally ready tp upload the biographies to wiki.

I did the first one the other day, but it seems to have gotten me in trouble? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard?markasread=247788495&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-Cerebral726-2022-05-24T16:54:00.000Z-Charles_L._Venable

The other 3 biographies are on people who are long diseased (1800's) but i want to make sure I am doing things right before I continue seeing as I am somehow getting the attention of moderators.

I would love your feedback.

Thank you Nolan --Candied tangerine (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nolan, and thank you for bringing your concerns here to discuss and hopefully find a positive solution in which we might both learn something.

I looked through the situation you described above and I think we can resolve it with a little discussion.

• First, you are not in trouble.
• Second, perhaps the editor that reverted wasn't aware or did not know how to explain their edit so they made an error in their edit summary. The issue is not that the source is a Primary source. You can read WP:PRIMARY yourself and see that primary sources can be used in article creation but they should be used with extreme caution. I believe what they were trying to say is that the source was not independent of the subject. In other words, the source wording was either directly provided by the subject or by someone closely associated with the subject, like a hired PR manager. A source can be either primary or secondary but should generally be independent.
• Third, some of the language seems a little like WP:PUFF. You should avoid any unsupported attributions, contentious labels, positive or negative loaded language, and make sure whatever is added is WP:DUE. See MOS:PUFFERY.
• Finally, you edited and were bold in making those edits. Never get discouraged about being bold, even when you are chastised or reprimanded for it. We all make mistakes. Part of growing here is being bold and making mistakes then learning from them. Keep being BOLD! I see no need for you to shrink back from the other three biographies you intend to edit or write. Be prepared to receive criticism and accept it as constructive rather than a repudiation of your efforts.

You are most welcome! --Asareel--ARoseWolf 19:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@Candied tangerine and ARoseWolf:, just saw this. Thank you ARoseWolf for explaining the situation and apologies to you Candied for seemingly WP:BITING the newcomers. ARoseWolf is correct that I did not properly explain my edit. I should have said in this edit that the sources did not seem to qualify as WP:RELIABLESOURCEs to me and required some WP:SYNTH, since they were simply database searches for Charles Venable, as well as some content being uncited. However, I definitely did not properly explain why I removed that and I'm sorry about that. This article has had some WP:COI editing so I was a little overly speedy with my slashing of content. Hope I did not discourage you too much from editing Wikipedia, as you clearly are here to build a better encyclopedia. --Cerebral726 (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Cerebral726, thank you for stopping by and explaining. You definitely didn't have to do that and that's why I didn't ping you unnecessarily. However, I appreciate that you did take the time to respond. It's quite easy to get into a foul mood as we edit, especially when the area that we edit is being challenged by those with a close COI with the subject. Constantly having to fight vandalism and COI editing can get frustrating and can wear down on anyone. While there is no excuse for incivility, even though its understandable, WP:BITING is not always uncivil so it falls in a strictly gray area. We all are probably a little guilty of being BITE-y at times. These instances are great learning tools for new editors and experienced editors alike. The new editor needs to learn that not every bite is meant to drive them away from editing but that some bites are meant to correct the trajectory of their edits on a particular article or in general. The key is to take such criticism as constructive. The more experienced editor can learn not to bite so hard. Tone and words used can deflect some of the harshness of the action itself. A little more description on the edit summary or a quick word on their talk page rather than a templated message can make all the difference. Our mission here is two-fold. We are here to build an encyclopedia but the way we build it is through collaboration among all members of the community. Educational vs Punitive action. This very discussion is an example of effective collaboration and is just as important as anything written in an article. I appreciate you both very much. --ARoseWolf 18:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Dversexxx (02:13, 27 May 2022)

im totally new to0 editing so ill have lots questions --Adult Entertainment Producer(DVERSEXXX) (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Dversexxx, Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm so glad you contacted me and I would be most willing to help you navigate Wikipedia and walk you through your journey here.

First, please review our username policy and make changes accordingly. Usernames may not represent a company or organization, however, it is okay to have a company name in a username like "John at Company XYZ". Please do not include a job title in your user name though. Users are not allowed to promote any company or organization so user names must comply with this policy. Thank you.

Second, I look forward to answering any question you may present related to Wikipedia and I will be leaving a welcome message with important links on your user talk page. Please review these links as it may answer some of your questions or help fine tune which aspects you may need more assistance with.

Third, As you notice on my user talk page, I am a little more personal in the way I interact. You may refer to me as Rose, Rose Wolf, Asareel, some use AWolf, I am not particular in the way you refer to me. I'm also not particular on pronouns, just the boring she/her but I like boring and mundane sometimes. It makes the adventure in the moment more fun to locate.

Finally, Just enjoy your time here. Take criticism in stride. Be bold but always listen to others. Read, read, read. I spend more time reading policy and discussions than anything else right now because I, myself, am still learning and I want to be able to help newcomers, like yourself, to reach their potential here. You may never be a prolific writer or content creator here but your contributions are important.

--Asareel ARoseWolf 12:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

June events from Women in Red

Women in Red June 2022, Vol 8, Issue 6, Nos 214, 217, 227, 231, 232, 233 Online events: New: LGBTQ+ women | Greenland and the Faroes | Women in music Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Translation contest (third and last month) Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 09:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

June music

June songs

Ukrainian peace music is now "on", with the conductor! - Pentecost (on last Sunday and Monday in Germany) brought a harvest of great music in two church services (one with me singing in choir) and two concerts with my brother in the orchestra, - four pictures I took besides the symphonic one. Don't miss enormous rose arches in the private collection, linked in "songs". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for improving articles in June! My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Gerda, thank you for taking me on an adventure this morning. Such beautiful colors, wonderful music and the Lifesong of that precious baby deer. You are a jewel! <Hugs /> --ARoseWolf 12:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

blushing - could you perhaps a tune of peace to Cosima Wagner? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Gerda, I have been following that discussion for over a week. Sometimes peace comes in the form of a tune that is bitter sweet. I remember the day my Papa and Mama left town for a "quick" trip to Fairbanks. There was something I was frantic about in regards to the store and I was concerned about handling it myself without him being there. My Papa pulled me in close and took my hands and reminded me with few simple words that life is about focusing on the peace rather than the struggle. His exact words fade with time, something I have gotten angry with myself over, yet I still hear his Song in me. "Genevieve, peace is not the absence of conflict but the ability to maintain who you are in the midst of it." Yes, that's it! Thank you, gift. Little did I know that would be the last words he would say to me and now all I have are memories. I wish I had answers for everything and words or a tune of peace for everyone but tunes and words mean different things for each individual because it resonates against our strings at specific frequencies and in direct wavelengths according to who we are and the experiences we've had. So, even if I may not have words or a tune for that discussion, for you, that is exactly my gift. Maintain who you are, Gerda, it's pretty special, so I've heard. --ARoseWolf 16:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I understand, and I understand everybody who won't tackle the dissonances there. Eric Corbett told me "chin up" in 2013, and Brianboulton paved the way to infobox opera in L'Arianna, and infobox person for composers in Percy Grainger that same year. (It's all on my 2013 talk page archive.) To hear now that I don't respect the wish of Brian for that article (which became FA in 2012, and was TFA on her birthday the same year), - I have no reply. Brianboulton grew to the understanding he showed in the quoted Signpost essay "a fresh look" (on my user page), and some of his friends don't want to accept that. Do you understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I never said I wouldn't respond there, I just said it may not be a tune of peace. I have followed the discussion but I am still mulling over its implications for that specific article and I don't want to hurry anything along and not communicate exactly how I see it. That's how misunderstandings and miscommunications happen. I understand your position completely. I respect your position and I would never say or agree that you are somehow damaging Brian's legacy by stating that you both agreed on some major points. Brian was an extremely intelligent and empathizing person. I can gather that by hearing the notes in his words. He was genuine and staunch in his positions but could learn and adapt to new thoughts. If anyone tries to say different then I challenge them as to if that was actually his position or are they projecting their own thoughts onto him. Brian wrote "A Fresh Look" as an expression of his changing thoughts in regards to this subject but also to express the positions that had not changed with him. He was a great asset to the encyclopedia and a good friend to those who knew him here. I understand you more than you may know, Gerda. That is why my words were more focused on peace in you than the discussion being had. --ARoseWolf 13:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

thank you - today: a song about getting through the night, after plenty of music and architecture over the weekend --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello :D

Hello from me :D

XaviSV (talk) 02:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

XaviSV, Hello. May I assist you with anything today? --ARoseWolf 17:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Discord Server

Do you know the name of the Discord server? I've searched but haven't found it. - {Condorman (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)}

Condorman, You can find a link at Wikipedia:Discord. --ARoseWolf 17:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

You can ping me there sometime. Same handle. {Condorman (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)}

Women in Green - July GA Editathon

Hello ARoseWolf:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Editathon event in July 2022!

Running from July 1 to 31, 2022, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event focused on the topic of women and the environment. Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works during the event period (with an emphasis on environmental links and topics). GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Alanna the Brave (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

A note of thanks

Greetings @ ARoseWolf

Following appeared @ DyK today.

The fact was ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan commemorates a 1983 march against a law that devalued the testimony of Pakistani women to half that of men?

Many thanks for your esteemed copy edit help and all the support. Warm regards,

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Bookku, I'm so glad it made it on DYK and I am thrilled you have successfully brought attention to the underrepresented subject of women's rights in Pakistan and other locations around the world. --ARoseWolf 13:14, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red in July 2022

Women in Red July 2022, Vol 8, Issue 7, Nos 214, 217, 234, 235 Online events: New: Alphabet Run: A to B | Baltic States Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Women in Green's Good Article Editathon: July 2022 – Women and the Environment Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter --Lajmmoore (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Ukrainian Melody

July songs

today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

yesterday I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

... and another 14 July: Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I miss you, enjoy your break. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Question from Hsenorita (20:20, 10 July 2022)

Brand of Bihar champran meat --Hsenorita (talk) 20:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Requesting some c/e help

Greetings @ARoseWolf

Lately I ended up in off the routine rescue effort of a stub article called D-Agree. I do not see my general topic article c/e supporting users around since couple of days. Please see if you are around and spare some time for some copy edit help for the article D-Agree.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Biog not blog

It is so subtle I missed it the first few times but they are shortening biography in a uncommong way not saying blog :) Slywriter (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Slywriter, I hadn't noticed that. Thank you for pointing it out to me. --ARoseWolf 12:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Enjoy this kitten before you go on break. I hope all is well, and I look forward to your triumphal return!

Curbon7 (talk) 20:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back Curbon7 (talk) 13:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Curbon7, and thank you for the sweet message above. I apologize for not responding to it at the time. I did want to leave it up because it was very kind of you.

Decision

I'll keep this short and sweet, I promise. I've had a couple of days to think about this and I am sure there will be many more days that I will contemplate my decision but as it stands right now I have decided to indefinitely retire as an editor of Wikipedia. I felt like those that watch my talk page are those I have dealt with on more of a regular basis and you deserved this to come from me rather than have me quietly slip away. I do not leave out of anger or bitterness. To the contrary, I am more full of love and joy from being here. I won't rule out a return at some point, perhaps on a semi basis, but that will be decided some time in the future. It has been completely my honor to have offered my time as a mentor and a host at the Teahouse. It has equally been an honor to have spent time with each of you in conversation and discussion on talk pages across this fine encyclopedia. This decision is not made flippantly, and I have struggled through great angst in making it. But I feel it is best to focus on other areas in my life in the present. It has been my pleasure to have offered what small and insignificant contributions I could to the encyclopedia. Where I have made impact, I hope it was positive. Remember that each of you have a LifeSong inside you full of experience and bright intensity that it's sometimes overwhelming for me but I wanted you to know that there is someone that has listened to you and is desperately in love with your Song and intoxicated with your Colors. I always will be. Stay True. --ARoseWolf 19:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

We should always do as feels best, as each of us knows better than anyone else what that is. Needless to say, I will miss you, and I dare say so will a lot of others. If you ever feel it's right to come back, you will of course be welcome. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

It has been a pleasure to work with you, . ––FormalDude talk 19:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Your kindness has been a blessing. With gratitude and love, Folly Mox (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
• Thank you for the time you've shared to help those on this encyclopedia. You've always been a great help to myself and many others with your kindness, patience, and understanding. I wish you all the best. Perfect4th (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
• I have felt such a connection with you, even though we didn't speak much. An understanding of sorts. I hope you decide to return some day. In the meantime, wishing you good health and happy days. Hope you know you are always welcome to write to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
• May your song continue to brighten the world. I will miss you dearly, but I understand. When you need me, you will find me. Peace, strength and rainbows. SusunW (talk) 04:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
• Hey! You will be missed. Please don't be a stranger. Live long and prosper. GenQuest ^"scribble" 05:35, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
• Thank you for your contributions. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 20:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
• You were kind to those who needed help and you brought joy to our lives with your conversations — none of that is insignificant in the slightest. You are a perfect example of the good that Wikipedia community is capable of, and you will be missed dearly. I hope you decide to stay, but either way, I wish you nothing but happiness and comfortable chairs! — The Most Comfortable Chair 21:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
• I shall miss you! A happy life to you!!! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 17:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
• I prefer to think of your retirement as temporary but necessary time-off for peace of mind, and that you'll come back rested, stronger and ready to get back to editing. WP:WikiProject Dogs needs collaborative editors with common sense and a respectable amount of knowledge about dogs. Who better than an editor whose user name ends with "wolf"? 😁 Please don't make us wait too long, but do take the time you need. In the spirit of the wolf and all else that comprises the intrinsic being of domesticated dogs, especially the ones that need us most, you are loved and your participation is wanted—there is much work to do! ❤️🐺🐾 Atsme 💬 📧 11:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
• Asareel I'll miss you, I think you're kind hearted and that matters a whole lot. You will be missed. I hope you come back, if that is a good path for you. But at any rate, godspeed Asareel. Herostratus (talk) 01:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

  Sad to see you leave us. Wikipedia will not be the same without you! Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

July songs

• Thank you for the kindness you have inspired in this project! - I have pics from vacation days to offer - please give me "your" mountain some day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Spiderone, Herostratus, Atsme, DiamondRemley39, The Most Comfortable Chair, SusunW, Rosiestep, Folly Mox, FormalDude, Tryptofish: My daughter had something very important to tell me the other night. We had finished up chores and I was wrapping up the list of supplies we needed and she put her hand on my shoulder and said, "Mama, stop moping. It's all you've done for the last week." Very profound but true. This project has become so engrained in me with an impact on my life so deeply rooted that its hard to just let go. I was both fearful and elated that a group of people from all over the world and whom I only know professionally in this limited capacity could have affected me and become so important to me. That this encyclopedia, the success of its mission and the continued enrichment of this community, has become such a part of my path in life that it would permeate every aspect of who I am was both intimidating and euphoric. So, I have decided to take Astme up on her offer to assist with the WP:WikiProject Dogs but, to compensate, I will be reducing my watchlist and involvement in other areas of the encyclopedia, the lone exception being WiR which I will always make time to be a part of. So, I will be limiting my involvement but I will still be here. Your love and support is a huge reason why. Thank you for being you. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I tried to ping everyone but that was an abject failure (lol). Here's my second attempt:EpicPupper, Perfect4th, GenQuest. My apologies and thank you all. --ARoseWolf 15:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping for GenQuest. Fixing pings is notoriously laborious. Glad to have you back in any amount ARW! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers, you are so kind. Thank you for fixing that for me and thank you for the wiki-love. I just want to inject kindness and understanding into every discussion I am involved in always valuing the human equation. You all are gorgeous LifeSongs to me. --ARoseWolf 15:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Glad to hear you'll still be around in that limited capacity, friend. I like your daughter! This project is great and all, but real life is where I find the strength to carry on here on WP. Reducing my own watchlist has helped me greatly with... boundaries is perhaps not the right word, but perhaps it, indeed, is the right word!

I'm around here little enough myself these days, but I do hope to bump into you (as we already have done)! Is it OK to ping you when I would like your input on something or would you rather I lay off?

Have a good night! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 01:46, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

DiamondRemley39, anyone can always ping me if they want my assistance, desire my input, have something they would like to work on together or just need a quick pep talk (I'm good at pep talk's, my daughter is still learning but I sure needed her in that moment) --ARoseWolf 13:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Kitty of the day

• Asareel, I am so glad you'll continue to be around. Actually, I'm elated! As for WikiProject Dogs, well, that's all fine and good, BUT, if you ever need a cat fix, just let me know and I'd be glad to share 'kitty of the day' from my talkpage to yours. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

My sweet Rosie, please send me 'kitty of the day'. I actually have a kitty myself, Persephone, cause she really is the Queen of the Underworld. The only cat I know that will stare down a 1000lb Grizzly and make it back off. --ARoseWolf 15:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Gladly! I have 2 tuxie sisters, 15.5 years old, whom I adopted from the local pet shelter when they were 14. They are such funny characters, and such joys! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• I am so happy to see this message. You always make me smile Asareel and I needed good news today. The malathion truck came around last night without warning. This morning I have swollen eyes and am wheezing. But, in a couple of days when my allergic reaction goes away, I'll be happy that the mosquies are not around. I am glad to have you around in what ever capacity you think you can handle. SusunW (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you,SusunW. I try to bring smiles to as many faces as possible. The world is brighter when you all shine and I reflect your light. I am so sorry you are having a reaction. Please do take care of yourself. Mosquitoes here are terrible during Summer and we really don't have a means to get rid of them so we just endure. I do have a plant based salve that we use that the mosquitoes seem to not like very much. I hope you recover quickly with no other issues. I would still like to work together on an article or two so whenever you get the time I am free to help. You are my Song sister and I love you. --ARoseWolf 16:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I feel the same Asareel. I'd love to work with you on an article, when I feel better. Here, we cannot afford to just endure them. We have dengue-, zika-, malaria-, chikungunya-, and who knows whatever other kind of disease-carrying mosquies. It's been a real balancing act for the governments to keep the mosquie populations in check during covid. Imagine an outbreak during the pandemic, that would've been horrible and truly stretched the health care system to its limits. I'll rest up today and maybe tomorrow and then should be good to go. SusunW (talk) 17:06, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hope you are better today SusunW. My thoughts have been directed at you. --ARoseWolf 15:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I am feeling a whole lot less poisoned today! No headache, no tingly stuff Woo Hoo! Great minds think a like. I've been thinking of you all morning and our conversation with Iggy. If you are up for it Atalie, not Iva looks interesting. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Count this as a big yay! from me too. I think I can speak with a bit of, um, personal experience as someone who has, um, more than once decided to step away from Wikipedia, only to later come back. Coming back, at whatever level of watchlist breadth feels right, is always happy news. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Just tell that ferocious feline not to eat any fish! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Tryptofish, my cat not so much, the huskies get fish nearly every day. High in protein, and we give them frozen fish when we are out on the trail. They love their fishy popsicles. --ARoseWolf 15:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• I am glad to see that you are not retiring! Although it is not reflected from my activity levels, I am also more invested in Wikipedia and its community than I ever thought I would be — so I understand. Dogs are the best, sure, but if you ever wish to collaborate or work on something specific, the next article that I work on is going to be history of the chair. — The Most Comfortable Chair 00:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The Most Comfortable Chair, the history of the chair sounds so intriguing. I'm all in! --ARoseWolf 15:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

August songs

August songs

pics and thoughts on 13 August - glad to have you with us! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

and on 15 August: "my" concert of the year (so far) is on the Main page, but not pictured, and I don't understand why --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for improving articles in August, and for connecting people! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

The last week brought more outstanding concerts and bike tours, - how is your summer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, almost over and I'm pretty sad about it though I'm excited to see night time again. Thanks for the update. --ARoseWolf 14:12, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Arb com

I was wondering if there are any past Arb com decisions you could link me to to review so I can better understand the process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Johnpacklambert, This user has indefinitely stepped away from Wikipedia. For ArbCom information, please see the Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee and Wikipedia:Arbitration pages. You may want to browse Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index for past, archived decisions. Hope this helps you out some. GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2022

Women in Red August 2022, Vol 8, Issue 8, Nos 214, 217, 236, 237, 238, 239 Online events: New: Alphabet run: C and D | Indigenous women | Refugees | Comedians, Comics and other Performers Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration focus on UEFA Women's Euro 2022, August 8–21 Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Question from Jaydenstyy (17:57, 16 August 2022)

Hello I get in trouble with not sourcing sources good could you help me on that --Jaydenstyy (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Jaydenstyy, First, you need to acknowledge and address what fellow editors are saying at ANI and on your talk page. Second, you need to stop editing until you have gained the knowledge necessary to edit without adding poor sources. That still may not save you from a block or topic ban but this is the only chance you may have to continue editing here. Then I want you to take the last three reverted edits as the result of adding poor sources and tell me why you think those sources are poor and what sources, if any, you would add in their place. That is a good start to helping you be able to pick out better sources. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Bella

Bella left my place this morning and wandered over to yours. Hope that's okay. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

My turn to keep an eye on things around here.

Rosiestep, Very much okay. I'll make sure to take good care of her. My heart did a little skipping when I saw it was you, Rosie. I do love your Song so much and where it crosses with mine I cherish it. --ARoseWolf 15:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

--Rosiestep (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

I just wanted to specifically thank you for the notation you added here [1]. Such displays of clear good faith are always helpful when editors are disagreeing on content. Springee (talk) 14:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Springee, we are on opposite sides of a discussion but it is a discussion. You are not my enemy. Without that understanding there can be no collaborative effort. --ARoseWolf 14:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC: A TikToker, ... , other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?

Some of other related policies for current requested RfC discussion: WP:BLP, WP:SUSPECT, WP:BLPPUBLIC, WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE.

Requesting inputs about WP policies regarding, WP:BLP protocols and naming of the accused in relation to mentions of allegations and counter allegations in the given article, against a female victim of sexual assault, her associates and also other accused.

Requesting well studied, carefully thought inputs @ RfC: A TikToker, associates, other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?

This RfC request to you has been informed to you since you have previously edited the article.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Parque Cassia Eller

Hello! Hello!

The two of us are stopping by to say hi. Hope the last few weeks of summer are nice where you are. It's been hot in the Sierra Nevada but that's normal for this time of year so I'm not complaining. But I am ready for the cats to stop shedding. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Rosiestep, lots of rain this week and cooler temps. We'll be down close to freezing at night next week. I was just a couple of states over in Utah a few years ago. I'd have to go back to 2009 or 2010 as the last time I was in that part of Cali. --ARoseWolf 15:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

So cold! Brr!! But I'm sure there's beauty in the climate, too. Rosiestep (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Rosiestep, it's not uncommon to see temps as low as -40 to -45, even dipping into the -50's. That's still over 20 degrees warmer than the record up here. Our average low temp in January is -25. There is a beauty about the land and the climate, especially during the long night when Aurora rolls above my head like waves on the ocean or ribbons in the wind, its glow shimmering off the ice and snow covered landscape. In those moments when most hear silence, I hear a symphony, I hear the sound of us, our earth, all our love, all our hate, all our wars, peace, struggles and victories, fire and the water, all living things, even the rocks. All of it passes through my body in waves of color like the Aurora above my head. --ARoseWolf 17:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

That must be amazing(?), to hear/feel the Aurora. I have yet to witness the Aurora, though I've been to Alaska in January and Svalbard in November. Someday, it will happen, when I'm in the right place at the right time. I have hopes to be in Nuuk in 2025... maybe then. Rosiestep (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Rosiestep, I'm sure you will. Our best time to see is November and December but can really happen anytime. My first year here we actually escorted a team from National Geographic to a location in the Park and Preserve to see Aurora. They actually have pictures of the snow covered trees, very sparse, and landscape below Aurora. You can see our sled tracks behind us in the snow. I'm not sure they published them. We stayed there for two days and then we flew them to Anaktuvuk for them to meet with the Nunamiut that live there. You develop a bond with the land here because it can be life or death for you though it's not as sensationalized as many of the reality tv series show. We just live. --ARoseWolf 18:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red in September 2022

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Hola

Hi, just wanted to say that the Ani-Stohini/Unami is a nothingburger. The editor is just fussing around and insisting published mentions are factually incorrect, but there just isn't much about this obscure organization that appears to have disbanded around 2005. It will fade back into the background. Have a great long weekend! Yuchitown (talk) 19:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

Hi Yuchitown, yeah, I tend to get involved where I probably shouldn't. It's a force of habit. I'm something of a warrior spirit though I very much contain it here. I know this isn't a battleground but I don't tolerate nonsense and attacks on other editors acting in good faith too well. That being said, you are correct. I will leave it alone and let it fade away. And one bright side to my containment is everyone gets to see my cheery Rainbow side more often. You have an amazing weekend too! --ARoseWolf 20:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes! It is reassuring that none of us are working alone. But I just wanted to say the drama/emotion is all on the other side. Yay, rainbow side! Best, Yuchitown (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

Yuchitown, you are absolutely right and thank you. --ARoseWolf 20:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Ty!

Thanks for being so nice to me! Have a lovely day or night 😀 Stephanie921 (talk) 22:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

September music

September songs

A pic I gave you last year already, remember? - Today's recommended reading: Opera in Ukraine! - 1 September: I remembered the Vespro della Beata Vergine, 2 September: the last of the Rheingau Musik Festival concerts, and yesterday we read The Story of Mr Sommer, and followed Ruth Lapide. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I do remember, Gerda. It's such a beautiful picture and an amazing read. --ARoseWolf 12:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

a rainbow pic today, and a deer yesterday (but hard to see) - Jubilate Deo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

the rose pic was taken on 11 Sep 2021, and this year was full of music that day, Tag des offenen Denkmals, not only singing in church and rehearsals for Verdi's Requiem, but two concerts at special places pictured, one a synagogue (pictured on its wall). Today three DYK: a piece we'll perform on Sunday, a violinist we heard in June playing the Berg Concerto, and a Youth Orchestra shaped by a conductor who recently died. Almost too much of a good thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Today, we sang old music for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg (my perspective), and if you have time, watch the video about it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

and today I wrote an article about music premiered today, Like as the hart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

and yesterday I wrote Who shall separate us? and today we enjoy Spannungen (tensions, sparks ...) - chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

travel and strings sound --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

VickyBenz

Hello again, I have spotted your post to VickyBenz on the talk page and want to commend you for it. Very well written, and you would do a really great service to the community if you don't stop there, but keep an eye on VickyBenz and help the user grow as an editor by explaining mistakes which didn't end yet, I'm afraid. Do you think you could do that?

In fact, your note is quite an example of what proper mentorship is about, in my opinion. Not in its entirety, of course, there's much more to it, but the important thing is, you don't become a mentor by signing up; you either feel it's important and do what you can on a regular daily basis, or not. I personally never signed up for any mentorship program, and yet I do some mentorship even in my edit descriptions when I think it can help others learn something. You may well have it in you, so why not give mentorship a try by concentrating a bit more on it for a while and see how it works out for you and a number of newcomers? Good luck! 188.66.33.41 (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Mentorship confusion

Hey! My alternate account, Permless, recently had you set as your mentor after Femke retired. The account did not preivously have Femke as its mentor, and I never signed it up for anything with it being a technical testing alt, so I'm unsure how it has ended up in this system. Is there any way to remove said mentorship, or any idea on why this has happened? Aidan9382 _(talk) 20:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Aidan9382, I believe you can opt out by going to the Special:Homepage and clicking on the three dots beside "Your Mentor" at top right. I think it will still have me as your mentor but only silently, at least you wont have to see my sometimes annoying username. Ha! Thanks for the inquiry and hope this clears it up. --ARoseWolf 20:18, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for reminding me of the commitment I dropped the ball on over at Trail of Tears. I've been taking a bit of a hiatus after everything going on at Andrew Jackson (and a few other pages with similar issues) made it a bit difficult for me to get any related off-wiki work done. I do agree, though, that the Trail of Tears work is important and needs to be done, so I'll make sure that happens. I appreciate your commitment to making such important changes and I am consistently impressed with your ability to stay level-headed in sometimes contentious discussions on these topics. --Hobomok (talk) 21:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hobomok, you are quite welcome. No decision made here changes my point of view, necessarily. I do learn and my perspective can be altered but only in so much as I am able to analyze the perspective of others and integrate into my own. As far as staying level-headed, I've just come to understand that Wikipedia is not my truth, per se. Wikipedia can contain information on subjects that do line up with what I believe is truth but it has little to no affect on me when it doesn't. Wikipedia is not reliable. My hope for most articles is to find middle ground. Where that is is different for us all but if we can hit right on a spot in which all of our truths meet and we can back that up with reliable sources then the encyclopedia is better for it. But if consensus goes another direction I'm okay with that too. Just because it isn't in an article on Wikipedia doesn't mean it isn't true. Likewise, the fact something is in an article doesn't make it more true. --ARoseWolf 12:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Question from StudyWithDemi (17:30, 16 September 2022)

How do you cite information? --StudyWithDemi (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

StudyWithDemi, Welcome and thank you for bringing up such an excellent question. You may find out all about citations, attributions and references at WP:CITE. As most editors are referring to inline citations when they ask about citing information I will also include a link to WP:Inline citation which will give you specific information concerning those types of citations. Always, always, always cite a source when you are going to edit or add information to a Wikipedia article. I hope this helps and please feel free to ask further questions if you need to. --ARoseWolf 17:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #22

Welcome to the twenty-second newsletter from the Growth team!

Newcomers tasks reach the 500,000 edits milestone — more data publicly available

As of the last week of June 2022, the newcomers of the world have completed over 500,000 newcomer tasks. In other words, newcomers have made over half a million Wikipedia edits via Growth’s “Suggested Edits” module.

• About 30% of those edits were completed on mobile devices.
• Usage continues to increase; in June 2022 almost 50,000 newcomer tasks were completed.

We have added some new data to Grafana. You can now check the number of edits and reverts by task types, or the number of questions asked to mentors. You can filter the data by wiki.

If you have any questions, or there is more data you want access to, please let us know.

Ongoing projects and explorations

The new impact module is part of the Positive Reinforcement project. The image displays the mockup for mobile we used for user testing.

We are continuing our work on our new project, Positive Reinforcement. User testing of initial Positive Reinforcement designs was just completed. Interviews were conducted in Arabic, English, and Spanish. The outcome has been published on the Positive Reinforcement page. We are now utilizing user testing feedback along with prior community feedback to iterate and improve designs.

We are exploring the idea of a Copy Edit structured task. We have tested copy edits in Wikipedia articles for arwiki, bnwiki, cswiki, eswiki (Growth pilot-wikis) and enwiki with two different methods: LanguageTool and Hunspell. We will share more details here and on the associated Copy Edit page once the evaluation is complete.

Add an image was utilized at GLAM events in Argentina, Mexico, and Chile. For an overview of what was learned from these events, read: #1Pic1Article I: how Latin American heritage experts added images to Wikipedia (in English).

Experiments analysis

Add a Link Experiment Analysis has been published. The most important points are:

• Newcomers who get the Add a Link structured task are more likely to be activated (i.e. make a constructive first article edit).
• They are also more likely to be retained (i.e. come back and make another constructive article edit on a different day).
• The feature also increases edit volume (i.e. the number of constructive edits made across the first couple weeks), while at the same time improving edit quality (i.e. the likelihood that the newcomer's edits aren't reverted).

Newcomer task edit type analysis has been published.

• Communities had expressed concern that newcomers whose initial edits were structured tasks wouldn’t go on to learn how to complete more difficult tasks. The Growth team data scientist conducted a Newcomer task edit type analysis to see if this was indeed the case.
• Results from analysis indicate that this likely isn’t a significant concern. More than 70% of users who start with the easy task "Add a link" also make another task type. Read the full analysis and methodology here.

News for mentors

A new system for the mentors list

The configuration of the mentors list will change over the next weeks. In the future, mentors will sign up, edit their mentor description and quit using Special:MentorDashboard. This new system will make the development of new features for mentors much easier.

At the moment, the mentor list is a simple page anyone can edit, unless it’s protected. With the new page, mentors will be able to edit only their own description, while administrators will be able to edit the entire mentors' list if needed.

The deployment will happen first at the pilot wikis, then at all wikis. Existing lists of mentors will be automatically converted, no action will be needed from the mentors. [2][3]

Mentors will be informed about the next steps soon, by a message posted on the talk page of existing Mentor lists.

Learn more about this new structured page on mediawiki.org.

A tip for mentors

Did you know that mentors can filter their mentees' changes at Special:MentorDashboard (and star the ones that require attention)? This feature helps to keep an eye on newcomers' edits, helping mentors to fix minor details, and encourage them if necessary.

And did you know that mentors have special filters to highlight their mentees' edits at Special:RecentChanges? Look for the following filters in RecentChanges: Your starred mentees, Your unstarred mentees.

Other improvements

Some improvements will be made to the mentor dashboard in the coming weeks:

• While we now offer some options for mentors to take a break, the option to quit mentoring was not easy to find. This will be improved. [4]
• Mentors at wikis using FlaggedRevisions will have a way to discover their mentees' pending edits. [5]
• Dashboard discovery for new mentors will be improved. [6]

Recent changes and fixed bugs

• We moved to a new Image Suggestions API. This new API will allow us to deploy Add an Image to more wikis. [7]
• Starting September 19, a few more wikis now offer Add an image to newcomers. These wikis are Greek Wikipedia, Polish Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia, Romanian Wikipedia. [8]
• Add an image has been disabled for a few days due to technical issue. "Add an image" added a blank line instead of an image. This has been fixed. [9]
• In order to know if Special:EditGrowthConfig is used by communities, we now instrument page loads and saves of configuration. [10]

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WikiProject Women in Green October 2022 Good Article Editathon

Hello ARoseWolf:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Editathon event in October 2022!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2022, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event – Wildcard Edition! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to any and all women and women's works during the event period. Want to improve an article about a Bollywood actress? Go for it. A pioneering female scientist? Absolutely. An award-winning autobiography by a woman? Yes! GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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Question from Williamw22 (12:06, 25 September 2022)

Hi I am an affiliate of a musician who has had a song go to top 60 in canada another song go #1 in Sweden and Norway (#12 on all genre chart) been nominated for 2 awards and won another one in Canada .. and was looking to have a wikipedia page made and was wondering how u go about creating a page --Williamw22 (talk) 12:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for coming here to ask your question, Williamw22. I'd be glad to assist you.

First and foremost, Wikipedia does not have pages. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia with articles. Also, you must understand that any article written about your affiliate musician would not belong to you or them. Likewise anyone can edit the article so it may not always end up saying what you or your affiliate wants it to say as Wikipedia is based on a consensus of editors that review reliable sources.

As an affiliate are you paid for your services? If so then you are required to declare that (See WP:PAID). It would also be good for your to read WP:COI as you most likely have what Wikipedia refers to as a Conflict of Interest.

Every editor here should read and understand our requirements on notability and verifiability. In addition to that I would recommend reading about how to create your first article. If you decided, based on what you read, that your affiliate is notable please follow the Articles for creation process by creating and submitting a well written draft with inline citations to verifiable independent reliable sources that have given the subject significant coverage and a reviewer will determine of the subject is, in fact, meets the threshold for inclusion. I hope this answers your question. Thanks again. --ARoseWolf 13:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Your daughter reading Wikipedia

I just have to say that I think it is really great you have your daughter critically reading Wikipedia. It is so empowering- she can learn a lot and at the same time realize the strengths and limits of what it is telling her. She can determine the limitation of what is said, and she can understand the limits of the sources as well. And, in the end, she may become an empowered Wikipedia editor herself!

Readers like her are one of my imaginary readers (well, in this case, perhaps actual) that energize my participation in editing: Trying to offer them different perspectives from various accessible and reliable sources, encouraging them to verify and dig into the sources themselves to see their strengths and weaknesses, attempting to create a narrative that makes sense of all the facts, and trying my best to maintain an NPOV so the reader can draw her own conclusions.

Again, I commend your support for your daughter! Wtfiv (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Wtfiv, She is one reason I continued editing Wikipedia after a few months. Now she won't let me stop even if I wanted to and I have a few times. All I had was reading books when I was a child. They took me on so many adventures and I lived a thousand lives through them. I have tried to give her that but more. We live in a time where critical thinking is almost nonexistent. I'm very apolitical. But it's almost like if you don't choose a team then you are vilified by all sides. I want her to be able to think things through and see both the positives and negatives in every decision and every belief. Then she can make a truly informed decision. Empowered? Yes. Knowledge and the ability to apply it is empowering. The ability to communicate effectively and share your views in a manner that conveys the points you want to relay is so important in today's world. Critically reading and evaluating Wikipedia is a good thing for her to do. One day I hope she does decide to be an editor. Thank you for the very kind words and the encouragement. I am so glad you decided to get involved in editing Andrew Jackson. --ARoseWolf 18:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2022

Women in Red October 2022, Vol 8, Issue 10, Nos 214, 217, 242, 243, 244 Online events: New: Alphabet run: G and H | Women in STEM / Ada Lovelace Day | Geofocus West Asia Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Women in Green's "Wildcard Edition" Good Article editathon Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Note to self, check for this when manually reverting. I didn't even realize I was changing that much in the article. --ARoseWolf 15:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Good vibes

You are always spreading good vibes, ARoseWolf, how are you doing? Like you, I am very glad Wtfiv has taken the helm, so to speak, of improving the Andrew Jackson article. Please know that your input is valued, and I am very glad your daughter reads WP. I hope she joins the editing crew when she feels ready, and I'm sure you are an exemplary role model for her. All the best, Carlstak (talk) 14:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Carlstak. It's not always easy to spread good vibes but when you really believe there is good in everything then it is much easier. I don't just believe it. I see it, I hear it, sometimes it just gets clouded by circumstances and experiences in our lives which cause us to become jaded and disenfranchised. But when we realize that we each own a small part of humanity and that we really aren't so different, certainly not as much as we are being told, then we are emboldened to take part in those good vibes and continue to spread them to others. One smile can become thousands. Our responsibility today is to be the best human being we can be and exemplify the better qualities of being a human. If we fail then we can start over tomorrow all the more wiser. I hope my daughter joins eventually too. She will have many amazing role models here to follow behind and plenty of amazing subjects to learn about through editing if she chooses to do that. Thank you, again, for the kind words and I truly want the very best for you too. --ARoseWolf 15:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

October songs

Today is Erntedank in Germany, thanksgiving, and we celebrated our village's 650th anniversary, and had the dress rehearsal for Verdi's Requiem with an interesting band of marimba, piano, horn, bass, timpani and drum, - concert tomorrow, our national holiday. Seeing a pic I took on the Main page was also a nice harvest. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy Erntedank, Gerda.:-) Carlstak (talk) 23:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you, and then we sang Verdi, and today hiked from Lorch --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, singing is good for the soul, and Verdi, no less. Singing gets one high; so does hiking.;-) Carlstak (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

yess - Look at power work tensions (if you translate). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

What a venue! Carlstak (talk) 15:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

today's DYK: two facts from the two concert of this years Rheingau Musik Festival I liked best, both a cappella singing. If you follow the songs, you see a circus, where I performed singing, and in the end the whole tent joined for Dona nobis pacem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Dona nobis pacem is beautiful. So is the huge poplar tree. Wow. Carlstak (talk) 15:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

hello hello

who shall separate us --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

today a woman in red, cellist Ella van Poucke, with a video in the article --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

... followed by the new hall where she played - I always like to see my pics on the Main page, then the mezzo of our Verdi concert, finally don't miss Hannah Pick-Goslar, - met a cat today, pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

leaving the month with reformation and a cat treat (same cat) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

What a gift, ARoseWolf, not just to "believe there is good in everything" -which I do, too-, but to see it and hear it! So lovely to know that's possible and that you have that ability. So thankful to know you. Here's a playful kitten to brighten up your morning. --Rosiestep (talk) 11:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the kitten, Rosiestep. We are full on in Winter mode now, so I will be going out less and less but I will also be gone for longer periods when I do go. All of the work in the Spring and Summer pays off now. During the past Summer, as I felt up to it, we took flights along the trails to check on cabin locations and anything that stood out that may be an obstacle during our Winter runs. These trails have been the primary routes for supplies and travelling for many decades and even centuries. Many of these trails may even be paths the ancestors took to spread throughout North and South America tens of thousands of years ago. I didn't go for obvious reasons last year so this year will be my first adventures back. I'm excited and nervous. I do hear music in everything and I see colors in everything, even those places where we think there is no sound or color, there is. We are the strings of an instrument, the essence of who we are is found in the waves of energy expanding from where the tip of the mallet strikes the symbol. Our bodies literally vibrate with wave after wave of life. It is remarkable what is going on in, through and around us that we influence just by our presence. How we are all connected through these strings with all of the universe around us. I live in those connections the majority of my day. I explore them, listening for the uniqueness in every tone. It's very hard to describe but it is one reason why I love Wikipedia so much. We are so diverse yet we share so much in common, like a love of kittens. --ARoseWolf 14:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I can see why you'd be excited and nervous but I have feeling in my bones that all will be well. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from EdwardV25 (00:40, 5 October 2022)

Hello --EdwardV25 (talk) 00:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

EdwardV25, hello. Is there something I may assist you with? --ARoseWolf 12:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Laura Bergt

Can you look this over and make sure I did not make any glaring cultural mistakes? Also, since all of the sources say it was her influence that finally brought the concerns of Native leaders to prominence with federal lawmakers, it seems weird that she isn't even mentioned in the article on Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act. Yeah, I get it, just a woman, but if it was indeed her initiative to set up the meeting with Agnew, which all of my sources seem to say it was...[11],[12],[13],[14]...shouldn't our article reflect that? SusunW (talk) 19:04, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

SusunW, It's extremely odd she's not mentioned. I remember our community discussing her induction into the Alaska Women's Hall of Fame in 2015 and her contribution to the act which brought about Native Corporations. No other state does it like Alaska and I'm grateful for the recognition they give Native Alaskan's though it could be better. I looked over the cultural aspects of the article as you requested and I see none that stand out. I think we, as a society, have made steps towards recognizing women and especially women from minority and Indigenous cultures but we still have so far to go. We can do our part though, like integrating what we can find about Laura's influence on lawmakers into the article on the act.

As I was reading one thing jumped out to me. In the final section on her death a legacy we call her Crockett because she married William Crockett. I find that this could be a little confusing to a casual observer. Is there a specific reason why we decided to go with that over the name we used for the article? Is that a preferred usage or is there some MoS reason? It's really just nitpicking at this point because the article is amazing but I was curious. --ARoseWolf 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Seeing you here makes me smile. Thank you. Truthfully, I just followed the sources. Her death notices called her Crockett, as did the few articles I found about her after she married the attorney. If one was looking for the obit, one would need to know that and legally, that was her name. I personally can never understand the reason editors want to call someone by a name other than what they were (as long as it isn't a deadname issue). I've read many articles on here that refer to someone with a married name at birth and call them by a name they once used long after they weren't that. Maybe it's just my own quirk that makes that seem so odd? I appreciate your input. I learned a lot about the Alaskan claims while writing her. Would you like to add her to the ANCSA article or do you want me to do it? SusunW (talk) 14:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

SusunW, I agree with your reasons for making it Crockett. We do follow the sources so if the sources say it then we should keep it as is. Thank you for explaining that to me. I'm looking at the article now to see how we could incorporate her into it. You discovered her and did all the research for her. I think you should be the one to add her to the article on the act. I will assist you in any way but I think it only right for you to be attributed for the work you did. --ARoseWolf 14:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

You know I could care less about recognition, but I'll try to do it. It may take me a day or two, as I am in the midst of a FA review. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I know you could care less. That's why we have friends. You are such a special person, Susun, and an incredible writer. I think including her in the background section of the article is the obvious choice.

Note: There was a discussion in 2020 on the talk page about another woman, Esther Wunnicke, who was involved in the movement to push for this act to be passed into law. The discussion was whether including these individuals, who were influential and have an article, would give them undue weight compared to others who might have been just as influential but were not discussed in sources to the point that it pushed them over the bar of notability.

I disagree with this line of thought. We have two individuals, both women, who used their position, notoriety, and the gifts/talents they were given or learned to further a cause they felt passionate about. Their contributions resulted in action taken by the US federal and Alaska state governments to recognize these Native peoples and, though imperfect, partially restore what had been taken from them over the decades in both land and financial compensation. --ARoseWolf 15:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with that line of thought too. Sweeping the people who made it happen under the rug makes them invisible and perpetrates the myth that general activism got the job done. We have specific sources, i.e. Richards, who says activism wasn't enough but it was specific people whose actions changed or stimulated change in the opinions of government administrators. And, see, I cannot do the update without your input, as I had no idea about Wunnicke. SusunW (talk) 15:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I've added a bunch. Will you please review the ANCSA article now? (I also admit I didn't try to look up all of the task force members, but I did list all 37 of their names in a note, because recognition is important. SusunW (talk) 20:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

SusunW, just finished looking over the article. Everything looks great. I agree with listing all 37 members of the task force in the manner you did it. You are simply amazing. --ARoseWolf 12:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing it. We should probably link any of them that aren't already linked in the article, but that required time I don't have right now to look each one up. I also didn't look for information to specifically add Wunnicke, but that should probably be done too. I'm off for an appointment, so I'll probably miss most of today. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 12:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

SusunW, I'll look at linking those that have an article. Be safe and see you when you return. --ARoseWolf 13:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from Scott Will T (19:37, 12 October 2022)

Hello. Great to E-Meet you

I have created a page "Gavin Stone Author" and have a few more i will be creating but I am unsure how to get it off draft. i have read all the guidelines and how to add links and references but I cant see how to do that. Can you please assist. --Scott Will T (talk) 19:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Scott Will T, thank you for bringing your question here. I'll do my best to answer it and if I do not have an answer I will point you to a place you can go to ask for that help. I appreciate your boldness with creating articles. It is truly this attitude that has helped to expand the encyclopedia to where it is today. Although you have not asked for my assistance in evaluating the drafts you have created I feel it is my obligation as your mentor to point out some issues I see with the draft you mentioned above. If, after you review my advice, you decide you still want to proceed then you will add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. If you see the yellow box saying it is being reviewed then you have successfully submitted your potential article for review to be accepted to mainspace.

Now, to the draft itself. First, I see an issue with the name of the draft. It should be Gavin Stone (author) in accordance with Wikipedia naming convention guidelines (WP:QUALIFIER). Second, it appears the draft is heavily dependent on PRIMARY sources (WP:PRIMARY) as opposed to secondary reliable independent sources. Primary sources are okay for minor biographical facts, like birthdays, once notability is established. Primary sources should not be used as proof of notability. I would recommend reading and understanding "Your First Article" before submitting. Finally, it is more preferable for you to utilize inline citations on articles though there are many styles of citing. (WP:CITE) As a side note: I would recommend reading WP:N, WP:V, and WP:NPOV.

Writing a good article is the hardest thing you will do on the encyclopedia so please take the time to make sure any draft you submit is in line with guidelines and policies. Our reviewers are volunteer editors just like yourself so please be patient with them. I hope this answers your question and gives you additional insight. Thank you again and happy editing! --ARoseWolf 15:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from Nettle nettle (21:59, 13 October 2022)

Hello, I wondering if I can add Content Driven Mobility as a term to Wiki?

I'm not ready to add an article, but will be great if I can take this term. Thank you! --Nettle nettle (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Greeting's Nettle nettle and thank you for bringing your questions and concerns to my talk page. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia with articles on notable subjects. Are you seeking to add a term as in like a dictionary term? I'm not sure that Wikipedia does anything like that. I would recommend asking your question at the Teahouse. Remember that anything added to the encyclopedia must be verifiable in reliable secondary independent sources. I hope this helps some and good luck editing! --ARoseWolf 13:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from Dharmveertiger (07:09, 17 October 2022)

Dharamveer shrivastav kaun hai --Dharmveertiger (talk) 07:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Dharmveertiger, I apologize but I don't speak Hindi, though it appears to be a beautiful language, and I do not trust online translators enough to use them. However, if there is a Talk Page Watcher that can help I would appreciate it. If not I would recommend you ask your question at the WP:Help Desk. If I can assist further please let me know. --ARoseWolf 13:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

USaamo

I just read this message. You don't have to bother filing a report because one already exist here. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 16:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

A request

Hi ARoseWolf, I'm hoping that you may perhaps be willing to ask your mentee to stop posting at ANI unless there is a section raised that specifically pertains to them? They continue to jump in to extremely heated discussions with commentary that does nothing but fan the flames. See here, for example. Or any of their ANI edits. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• seconding, and I also pinged you on their talk, ARoseWolf. I know they want to be able to ask questions, but they're perilously close to a project space ban.

Star Mississippi 02:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Star Mississippi and Ponyo, I apologize for the disruption they caused. Though I know I am not directly responsible I do feel some level of responsibility and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. Their name has not populated my dashboard yet so I can't directly follow their edits as easily but I am looking at contributions. Like you, @Star, I believe they have good intentions or I wouldn't be offering to help them. However, that will only go so far when it comes to, even well intentioned, disruption and I hope my message on their talk page will serve as a warning and a reminder that the process of becoming a well-informed and experienced editor is not as much set by a defined length of time as it is determined by the quality of the policy based comment or edit being put forward. Often that does require time reading and seeing the policies in action within mainspace articles and talkspace discussions. With hope, which I have in abundance, and their commitment, I believe @thedefender35 can be an outstanding editor. A large part of that is contingent on their actions. Thank you both, and others not named here, for keeping them accountable. --ARoseWolf 16:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You're doing all you can. Hopefully they heed the varied voices and learn from them. A willingness to be productive goes a long way.

Personally I think every new editor should begin with a ban from AN* that can only be lifted if they're the subject of a thread. Would solve so many issues of inexperienced editors getting in over their heads.

Have a great day and ping me if you need anything. Star Mississippi 16:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Stupid edits(not yours)

ARoseWolf thank you, I actually did that to see if anyone would correct it, my purpose was to see if people actually see these stupid edits. I have seen people who have made comments like this before. Thanks 105.244.67.97 (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red November 2022

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--Lajmmoore (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Disputing edit reversion

Hi, with regard to my edits on the Samhita Mukhopadhyay article from October 25, 2022 that were since reverted, I believe that they were constructive, as they reflect the current activity of the living person and are referenced. Thank you. 108.18.207.147 (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP, In regards to these edits, some did appear constructive and perhaps I used an improper edit summary response or warning which caused undo stress on you. I apologize for that. My intention was to revert this specific edit [15]. You included a wikilink as a source and Wikipedia can not be a source for itself. If you choose to go back with that edit please do not use a wikilink and instead use the website name or url or leave it blank. --ARoseWolf 12:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Juneau Raptor Center

I saw your reply on Rosiestep’s Talk Page. As a local (I live in Juneau) I know what the raptor center means to the local area. It is a shame to see it go. Lady Baltimore will be well cared for in Sitka, but she has already been in captivity for a long time and I fear that she is not long for this world. I hope I am wrong. Thank you for your contributions on this subject.Juneau Mike (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Michaelh2001, I basically grew up in Haines from 11 years of age. We live north of Fairbanks now but I've been to Juneau many times and seen Lady Baltimore before. It is such a shame what has happened. I hope you are wrong too. I live with an understanding that everything is a Song and I respect my cultural heritage. My mother's people believe in the sacred Spirit of the Eagle. I have had many encounters with animals that I can only say would be so if our Spirit Songs were aligned, even if just for a few moments in time. I feel the sadness even though I know they will be taken care of. --ARoseWolf 02:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

November music

November songs

celebrating GW60 or: the birthday of my first subject - thank you for the admiration, - I was a bit tired yesterday so served only those who responded last round, - wish you could be here for the next three days with all gourgeous music (+ travel involved). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

... which can now be found together: a Ukrainian chamber choir, my cellist and composer friend's 60th birthday music (with a world premiere and that overview about his career), and Bach's ultimate statement about life and death --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you for encouragement for Martin - with more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, we all need a little encouragement sometimes. Just glad that's one way I can contribute to building a supporting and collaborative community. Giving back to this community that has supported and encouraged me during difficult times is a joy. This still moves me to tears. I will never forget how much the kind and encouraging words of each person in that discussion meant to me at that time and they still resonate with me today. It is a huge part of why I am still alive today. I know it. I'll look at those pictures. --ARoseWolf 15:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving! Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Opera and Advent choral music on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Away

I will be away for the next two weeks out on trails. I love and appreciate anyone watching my pages. Please take care and be safe and I look forward to seeing you all when I return. --ARoseWolf 17:32, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Question from Daddyprincemusip (13:34, 9 November 2022)

Hi one love --Daddyprincemusip (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Question from Analysta 101 (16:15, 10 November 2022)

Hello ARossWolf,

I am Analysta101. I am working on updating my organization's wikipedia's page. I was able to update the logo, and we have our editor updating the information. However, I have not been able to update the title. Could you please help me with that?

It is The Research and Analysis Center (TRAC).

Thank you. --Analysta 101 (talk) 16:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Analysta 101: Hello Analysta! I'm not RoseWolf however I Will answer for her while she is away. Based on what you said it appears that you may be WP:PAID to edit for your organization, which requires disclosure per the Terms of Use. Disclosure is not optional if you are being paid. Also, you say "we have our editor updating the information". Who is this editor, and are they aware of the WP:PAID policy? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for mentoring

@ARoseWolf, I was pleasantly surprised to see that I have been assigned a mentor. Nice to meet you. Often, when I have questions, I go to Teahouse and find valuable suggestions. I had a quick question - are mentors given on the basis of any criteria? I mean, have I been given a mentor because of my diligence and contributions? or to hone my skills further? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad, thank you for coming here to ask your excellent question concerning the mentorship program here on EN Wikipedia. I will respond to that question in just a moment but first, it is so great to meet you. You may refer to me as Asareel here as I will be notified when you leave a comment and it makes it a little more personal or continue to refer to me by my user name. I give everyone that same option. Before I answer your question I would like to comment on something else you brought up. I may be a little biased but I encourage you to still seek guidance at the Teahouse. We have so many amazing hosts and editors that answer questions there. You are still free to come here or go through your homepage to ask me questions but you are not offending me in any way by going to other venues to ask questions. I will be here to support your journey and assist you in any way that I am able to. Now, specifically to your question. The WMF Growth team developed the mentorship program to assist new and experienced editors by giving them someone to communicate with that could hopefully guide them. It is more for the guidance, development and retention of new editors but we have many experienced editors taking part in the program as mentees, including myself. I am both mentor and mentee. Mentors are assigned randomly. All new accounts receive a mentor but only about 10% of those accounts automatically have the tools activated for them. All others may manually activate the tools by going to Preferences -> scrolling down to Newcomer editor features -> click on Display newcomer homepage. Your contributions and your diligence to editing in accordance with policy and community standards are always appreciated. Likewise the hope of all of your fellow editors here is that you continue to hone your skills at editing and creating content to help us make Wikipedia the best encyclopedia that it can possibly be. If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to seek advice either here or at one of the other venues where help is offered. Again, thank you for coming here and I look forward to seeing all the amazing contributions and unique perspectives you are going to provide for the encyclopedia and community. Asareel --ARoseWolf 17:00, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

That was one of the warmest, kindest and informative message I have received here. Thank you very much Asareel. I have always been guided very well on Teahouse and knowing that now I also have a mentor, it is very encouraging. Thank you once again for taking out time and writing back to me. ANLgrad (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Asareel, I wanted to reach out to you for your guidance on one thing. I have posted a question on teahouse - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Building_up_a_section

Could you please help out and guide me if I am heading in the right direction by building up the publication section and if you feel that would help improve the section. I was suggested taking the talk page option, but the page watchers are not too active. Thank you and I appreciate your mentorship. ANLgrad (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad. it seems you were engaged in a contentious discussion there. I'm sorry anyone has to experience those but on a project with so many different perspectives it will happen. I think you should take the advice given at the Teahouse. Keep in mind that there is never any rush to make edits and consensus is the governing decision maker on the encyclopedia. Wikipedia Principle Number 10 states, "Consensus is critical to cooperative editing. Without it, people are simply shouting at each other. Consensus doesn't mean you agree. Sometimes the consensus feels very wrong. That's ok. Disagreement, however, is not a permission slip to edit against consensus." The way we get to a consensus is through discussion on article talk pages and other relevant venues. You must present your desired edits and evidence for why you feel it should be included. Sometimes this takes hours, days, weeks even years to gain. In my reading I've seen where its taken a decade or more to gain a consensus in some instances. You have to realize that Wikipedia is generally a slow moving project. Sometimes it does make quick jumps but that's not necessarily the rule. There is a fallacy and I think it's even more prevalent outside Wikipedia. That fallacy is that something is somehow more verified as truth just because it is in a Wikipedia article. No one and nothing should determine to you your truth unless you choose, based on your experiences and research, to believe it. Whether something is or is not in a Wikipedia article does not make it more or less correct. Wikipedia goes by reliable sources and even reliable sources can be wrong. What we have to avoid is pushing for something to be included because we believe it, whether it's in reliable sources or not. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of data. Just because it is in a reliable source does not mean it needs to be in an encyclopedia article on that subject. Be bold in making properly sourced edits but be prepared to seek consensus through civil discussion on the article talk page. That's the mark of a great editor. --ARoseWolf 19:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Asareel, I can't thank you enough for taking out time to give such valuable insight to me. I apologize for the delay in me responding. I logged in today after a few days since I was down with cold. Wow, it is such a surprise to know that it can take years to get consensus, and a decade is such a long time. I also found it very informative when you mentioned even reliable sources could be wrong sometime. That's exactly what happened to me last time where two reliable sources had different data and I was confused. So, I reached to teahouse to understand what do I do in such a situation. On teahouse, for this question of mine, another user suggested that I can build the section using bullets or paragraph. I think that was a good idea. Thank you once again. ANLgrad (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

State-recognition

Hi, thanks for your insights. What I appreciate about Wikipedia is that the back-and-forth does help clarify issues, especially when most of the online material on the subject is purposely trying to confuse things to push a POV. Thanks again! Yuchitown (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown