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editSorry i made a typo over at the Canadian talk page - I do agree singular is fine. On a side note you may want to read over Talk:Germans/Archive 6 as there was a similar problem there. -- Moxy (talk) 05:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
That's okay. Mistakes happen. And thanks, will do! AbelM7 (talk) 06:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm JesseRafe. Your recent edit to the page North Asia appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. JesseRafe (talk) 23:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- @JesseRafe I didn't add anything. I reverted. AbelM7 (talk) 23:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- That's a template, but in essence willfully intending to remove valid information is THE SAME as willfully intending to add false information, maybe you didn't read what you removed as it did not express the other user's opinion, but was rather an objective reporting of how the UN classifies the region. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them, but it was accurate information. I only came across this series of edits of yours because you had lazily ignored an intermediate edit (made by me) in your zeal to undo the the Europe/Asia continent thing.JesseRafe (talk) 22:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- @JesseRafe The United Nations groups its geoscheme out of convenience. Since most of North Asia is part of Russia, they include it in Eastern Europe. As for the other edit, don't worry I went in and added your edit as well. (I mentioned it in the edit summary.) I'm sorry for not seeing your edit. AbelM7 (talk) 08:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- That's a template, but in essence willfully intending to remove valid information is THE SAME as willfully intending to add false information, maybe you didn't read what you removed as it did not express the other user's opinion, but was rather an objective reporting of how the UN classifies the region. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them, but it was accurate information. I only came across this series of edits of yours because you had lazily ignored an intermediate edit (made by me) in your zeal to undo the the Europe/Asia continent thing.JesseRafe (talk) 22:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did to Europe, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please do not keep edit-warring restoring Ancient Rome as the bithplace of Western civilisation during your large edits. This is not included in the citation. You have been edit-warring about this point for a long time. Next time you will be reported at WP:3RRN for long-term edit-warring. Thank you.
- @Dr.K. I didn't add Ancient Rome, it was already there. I reverted the page but not for the Ancient Rome addition. Next time I'll make sure Ancient Rome is not included. AbelM7 (talk) 23:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you AbelM7 for the clarification. Message struck. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Dr.K. You're welcome. Glad I could clarified. AbelM7 (talk) 08:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you AbelM7 for the clarification. Message struck. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
List of Wars
editIt's simple, these incidents are more relvant because they involve foreign intervention and both are attemps at annexing Mexico's territory, that's a big deal, if the dirty war, that was not even a real scale confrontation at any point, and Las Cuevas War, which wasn't even fought by the Mexican government but was some irregular militia (and was over some cattle) are included, there is no rational to let these two serious incidents out, they meet the criteria to be in a "list of wars" better than the other ones already in the page do. HMWD (talk) 01:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- No they don't. One is one man's expedition and another is a massacre. Nobody was annexing land. AbelM7 (talk) 05:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Both incidents mentioned involved hundreds of men fighting, you have no real justification on removing them, why do you always edit on so biased perspective? you are always fighting with other wikipedians because the way you edit and are always getting warnings, at this point you must be well aware that you can't act this way on a site like wikipedia. You can't remove things just because you don't like them. HMWD (talk) 01:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I do because a massacre and an expedition doesn't belong. I'm not biased. You're the one who's biased and can't let things go. As for the other Wikipedians, inevitability there's going to be differences but when a conflict happens, we resolve it and move on. And trust me when say I don't remove things because "I don't like them" otherwise I would be doing nothing be removing stuff on Wikipedia. (I don't like mustard but hey, there's the page.) AbelM7 (talk) 06:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Already explained you very well why the incidents are more worthy than various battles already included in the article and you keep ignoring that, "And trust me when say I don't remove things because I don't like them" i don't trust you because half of wikipedia's community is accussing you of doing exactly that and being biased in your edits al the time. HMWD (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- "half of wikipedia's community" No they're not, that's a lie and an exaggeration and you know it. I already gave you the example if I would to just remove things just because "I don't like them" then there would be no mustard page because I don't like mustard. And I've already explained to you that they don't not belong because they are not wars. Expedition and massacre doesn't equal a war. You might as well include the Armenian Genocide in Turkey's page or the recent Iguala massacre that happened in Mexico but shouldn't because they're not wars. They can be included in the history but not in the list of wars. AbelM7 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- You can't compare a genocide to a massacre that happened after a extended confrontation and aggresion from both sides because some filibusters wanted to annex Mexican states. Because they actually wanted to:"He (William Walker) began recruiting from amongst American supporters of slavery and the Manifest Destiny Doctrine, mostly inhabitants of Kentucky and Tennessee. His intentions then changed from forming a buffer colony to establishing an independent Republic of Sonora, which might eventually take its place as a part of the American Union (as had been the case previously with the Republic of Texas). He funded his project by "selling scrips which were redeemable in lands of Sonora."[2]" & "At the time the Crabb Expedition was regarded by many Mexicans and Americans as being an outfit of filibusters, organized to conquer Mexican territory, but it was sanctioned by the rebel government in Mexico, which would eventually win the Reform War in 1861. Cardwell himself wrote that "Mr. Crabb left here about January last, ostensibly for the purpose of mining in the Gadsden purchase, and settling there; but really intending to conquer Sonora, and in process of time add it to the slave states."[4][5]" HMWD (talk) 01:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- It can be compare. The massacre happened because "Now that he no longer needed the American colonists, Pesqueira was criticised by his followers for accepting to use Americans in the war. Because of this, the rebels decided to destroy the expedition." It wasn't due to aggression by Henry A. Crabb. It even says "Crabb sent the prefect of Altar a message saying that he had come in peace but the message was either ignored or failed to arrive in time." It doesn't say it was to annex Mexican states to the United States. It says William Walker wanted to establish an independent Republic of Sonora (his own independent country). It also says it might eventually take its place as a part of the American Union which is pure speculation and as we know, didn't happen. You forgot to mention that Ygnacio Pesqueira is the one who invited Henry A. Crabb to colonize the northern frontier region in the state of Sonora. It also says Crabb's journey was of a private nature and did not involve the American government or the military. Whether Crabb's intentions was to eventually conquer Sonora and in process of time somehow convince the United States and congress to accept Sonora to the union as a slave state, he was brought on the basis that the colonists would help Pesqueira fight in the civil war and against the Apache, not annex Mexican states to the United States. AbelM7 (talk) 11:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Pleae don't make any kind of assumptions and let's stick to what sources say, you are just trying to find loose knots where there isn't, we could make the same kind of assumptions for every conflict in the article. The important thing are the military confrontations and what we know are the motivations behind them, stop edit warring, you might get blocked (again) if you persist. HMWD (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Please just stop edit warring and let it go or you will get block again if you continue. None of the sources says it was to annex Mexican states to the United States. They say William Walker wanted to establish an independent Republic of Sonora and that Ygnacio Pesqueira is the one who invited Henry A. Crabb to colonize the northern frontier region. I'm not finding "loose knots". You're the one making assumptions that the United States was going to annex Sonora. They were an expedition and a massacre, not wars. AbelM7 (talk) 20:53, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- By definition, according to the wikipedia policy for edit warring you are the one who started the edit war. Just like you've started them in many articles before. It's not up to you to give your opinion or evaluate the sources in USA and Mexico affairs according to what you consider legit or not. We must adhere to the sources. I will ask you a question, why do you have a problem with the entries that i want to add but you are ok with entries such as Las Cuevas, The Dirty War, Garza Revolution etc.? these entries suffer of all the things you accuse my entries to have but in a more notable manner, why are you ok with them? HMWD (talk) 02:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Please just stop edit warring and let it go or you will get block again if you continue. None of the sources says it was to annex Mexican states to the United States. They say William Walker wanted to establish an independent Republic of Sonora and that Ygnacio Pesqueira is the one who invited Henry A. Crabb to colonize the northern frontier region. I'm not finding "loose knots". You're the one making assumptions that the United States was going to annex Sonora. They were an expedition and a massacre, not wars. AbelM7 (talk) 20:53, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Pleae don't make any kind of assumptions and let's stick to what sources say, you are just trying to find loose knots where there isn't, we could make the same kind of assumptions for every conflict in the article. The important thing are the military confrontations and what we know are the motivations behind them, stop edit warring, you might get blocked (again) if you persist. HMWD (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- It can be compare. The massacre happened because "Now that he no longer needed the American colonists, Pesqueira was criticised by his followers for accepting to use Americans in the war. Because of this, the rebels decided to destroy the expedition." It wasn't due to aggression by Henry A. Crabb. It even says "Crabb sent the prefect of Altar a message saying that he had come in peace but the message was either ignored or failed to arrive in time." It doesn't say it was to annex Mexican states to the United States. It says William Walker wanted to establish an independent Republic of Sonora (his own independent country). It also says it might eventually take its place as a part of the American Union which is pure speculation and as we know, didn't happen. You forgot to mention that Ygnacio Pesqueira is the one who invited Henry A. Crabb to colonize the northern frontier region in the state of Sonora. It also says Crabb's journey was of a private nature and did not involve the American government or the military. Whether Crabb's intentions was to eventually conquer Sonora and in process of time somehow convince the United States and congress to accept Sonora to the union as a slave state, he was brought on the basis that the colonists would help Pesqueira fight in the civil war and against the Apache, not annex Mexican states to the United States. AbelM7 (talk) 11:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- You can't compare a genocide to a massacre that happened after a extended confrontation and aggresion from both sides because some filibusters wanted to annex Mexican states. Because they actually wanted to:"He (William Walker) began recruiting from amongst American supporters of slavery and the Manifest Destiny Doctrine, mostly inhabitants of Kentucky and Tennessee. His intentions then changed from forming a buffer colony to establishing an independent Republic of Sonora, which might eventually take its place as a part of the American Union (as had been the case previously with the Republic of Texas). He funded his project by "selling scrips which were redeemable in lands of Sonora."[2]" & "At the time the Crabb Expedition was regarded by many Mexicans and Americans as being an outfit of filibusters, organized to conquer Mexican territory, but it was sanctioned by the rebel government in Mexico, which would eventually win the Reform War in 1861. Cardwell himself wrote that "Mr. Crabb left here about January last, ostensibly for the purpose of mining in the Gadsden purchase, and settling there; but really intending to conquer Sonora, and in process of time add it to the slave states."[4][5]" HMWD (talk) 01:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- "half of wikipedia's community" No they're not, that's a lie and an exaggeration and you know it. I already gave you the example if I would to just remove things just because "I don't like them" then there would be no mustard page because I don't like mustard. And I've already explained to you that they don't not belong because they are not wars. Expedition and massacre doesn't equal a war. You might as well include the Armenian Genocide in Turkey's page or the recent Iguala massacre that happened in Mexico but shouldn't because they're not wars. They can be included in the history but not in the list of wars. AbelM7 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Already explained you very well why the incidents are more worthy than various battles already included in the article and you keep ignoring that, "And trust me when say I don't remove things because I don't like them" i don't trust you because half of wikipedia's community is accussing you of doing exactly that and being biased in your edits al the time. HMWD (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I do because a massacre and an expedition doesn't belong. I'm not biased. You're the one who's biased and can't let things go. As for the other Wikipedians, inevitability there's going to be differences but when a conflict happens, we resolve it and move on. And trust me when say I don't remove things because "I don't like them" otherwise I would be doing nothing be removing stuff on Wikipedia. (I don't like mustard but hey, there's the page.) AbelM7 (talk) 06:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Both incidents mentioned involved hundreds of men fighting, you have no real justification on removing them, why do you always edit on so biased perspective? you are always fighting with other wikipedians because the way you edit and are always getting warnings, at this point you must be well aware that you can't act this way on a site like wikipedia. You can't remove things just because you don't like them. HMWD (talk) 01:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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New World
editIf you want to include Oceania or Australasia in "New World" then please provide appropriate sources. Thank you. --Whattheheyhey (talk) 15:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)