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Tau Gamma Phi

The Tau Gamma Phi page could certainly use some work. Is there an official National page (the equivalent to www.apo.org.ph?) Also, most of the article could use some references from the websites for the newspapers and television stations in the Philippines.

While it is difficult to set a clear line between notable and non-notable fraternities in the Philippines, there are some that clearly *are* notable such as Triskelion, Skeptron, Alpha Phi Omega and some of the UP specific fraternities. Naraht (talk) 15:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

There have been previous websites such as www.taugammaphionline.com and taugammaphi1968.org which have been active for a few years. Unfortunately, these sites have been temporarily shut down due to some reason I may not be able to justify on my account. Currently, there are websites that feature news articles and current events from www.taugammaphi.org, www.taugamma.info and triskelionradio.net, but most information could use some references found from numerous official websites, better known as Chapter websites such as www.thomasiantriskelion.org, which feature Chapter members, activities and events with regard to the Tau Gamma Phi fraternity.

However, for the betterment of the Tau Gamma Phi page, I may contribute factual informations in relevance to the Tau Gamma Phi Triskelion's Grand Fraternity.

I looked over the websites and www.taugamma.info looks by far the most complete. Is it run by an individual brod/sis or do changes there represent decision by either the National Triskelion organization or their representative? (I'm using www.apo.org.ph as an example of the ideal situation since that is directly controlled by their National Office)

Ideally, however, information on anything that isn't completely neutral would come from a third-party source (what Wikipedia calls "Secondary Sources". For example, if "Triskelion is the largest fraternity in the Philippines" was added to the article, it would inappropriate to have that be referenced from a Triskelion website. OTOH, if Sun.Star had an article that included it, *then* it would be appropriate to add with reference to that article in Sun.Star. Note, that could be from before Sun.Star went online (say in 1982), references don't have to be online. Think of it as you want an article that if anything in it is challenged by a Skeptron, the references you have will trump their arguments...

Of course, the rule on Wikipedia is to assume Good Faith and to keep a Neutral Point of View on an article so that someone shouldn't be able to tell if a Triskelion or a Skeptron significantly contributed to the wikipedia article about Tau Gamma Phi. Also, the way that Wikipedia works, no one "Owns" an article. A woman in Germany has just as much right to edit the Tau Gamma Phi article as a Triskelion does, both of them equally need references...

Also, Is there anywhere online that would have a list of Tau Gamma Phi/Tau Gamma Sigma (and TYM) chapters?

For full disclosure, I am an Alpha Phi Omega -USA alumnus, but with a lot of study of Alpha Phi Omega - Philippines during my time as an alumnus (Became a brother in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA in 1986). Naraht (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, to answer the queries:

• www.taugamma.info is run by group of Triskelions from Ateneo De Zamboanga Univeristy Chapter, this is to serve as an venue or channel for information with regard to the Tau Gamma Phi Triskelions' Grand Fraternity
• The official list of Tau Gamma Phi/Tau Gamma Sigma (and TYM) chapters was enumerated on www.taugammaphionline.com the time it was still online.

I understand that rules on Wikipedia on writing or editing an article should come from a neutral point of view and everybody is privileged to do so provided with the support of an online reference or any reference from various media. Anybody can contribute coming from a neutral point of view wether an individual is a Tau Gamma Phi member or not, and anybody can be optimistically or pessimistically biased.

As for you being an APO alumnus and you know a lot from APO Philippines, my impression is that your contributions can be negatively or positively biased depending on your point of view on Tau Gamma Phi, and I may want to provide justification to whatever that is needed to justify. However, setting aside my doubts, I still believed that everything here is for the betterment of the Tau Gamma Phi page in a Neutral Point of View.

And for the record, with your disclosure, I am an alumnus of Tau Gamma Phi Eastern Samar State University (ESSU) Chapter - former Eastern Samar State College (ESSC) in 2001. This is not to create conflict but to provide assistance the best way I can. And the best way an individual can provide factual information about Tau Gamma Phi should come from a Triskelion member because the Tau Gamma Phi doctrines consists information that a non-member would never know and understand. Adromil (talk) 08:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Responses

Using this since the indentation that is used for keeping track of responses has gotten a little messed up...

I'm sorry, the formatting goes wrong, my bad.Adromil (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• The addition of the reference for the size of TGF from sunstar was *very* good.

Thank you, and I'll continue contribute as much as needed the best way I could.

There are other pages than the TGS/TGF in Wikipedia, hopefully you'll work on those too. :)

• Would you call that an "Official" site? I feel better with that as the official site in the infobox rather than the thomasian one, but that's pretty minor.

I also feel doing that, and think, as you just mentioned, that was just pretty minor.Adromil (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead if you want...

• You seem to understand the rules for Wikipedia pretty well, *but*...

• the phrase "And the best way an individual can provide factual information about Tau Gamma Phi should come from a Triskelion member.." just doesn't work on Wikipedia. (Remember, it is *about* Triskelion, not owned by Triskelion) As an encyclopedia, only public *verifiable* things are appropriate for an article. Something may be public and verifiable, but the reason for it might be private and the fact that the reason is private may be public and verifiable. For example, the hand sign for Triskelion from the photos appear to be index, middle and ring fingers together with thumb and pinky spread. That can be seen from both inside and out. The reason for that as a hand sign may be private to Triskelion and that's fine as well. If the doctrines are things that non-members wouldn't (or shouldn't) know, then they don't belong on Wikipedia. (People have tried to use Wikipedia to deliberately spread secrets about Fraternities, that has ended badly)

That is actually my point. I am not contending anything about it, but I was only emphasizing it since the rules of Wikipedia may not conform on the quoted phrase. Same as what you have pointed out above and I thank you for pointing out "the doctrines are things that non-members wouldn't (or shouldn't) know, then they don't belong on Wikipedia".Adromil (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool, then we are *really* on the same page. :)

• Having said that, it is entirely possible that Triskelion members be more likely to keep records that could be used. For example, if UP - Manila was where the first National meeting took place, that chapter may have a copy of the school newspaper and that would be great as a reference.

I'll keep on working on this, however, it'll be a tough one since a lot of documents have been burned during the Martial law in the Philippines on Spet 21 1972.Adromil (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Alpha Phi Omega Philippines was *supposed* to have a convention in December 1973, I'm *still* trying to track down where and when that was supposed to be. (the next convention was March '76) But Alpha Phi Omega's founding documentation at that point was in care of the BSP, APO-USA and men 18 years older than the Triskelions were at that point.Any idea how many chapters TGF had by the beginning of Martial Law?

There are already 6 Chapters before the declaration of Martial Law.

Chapter	Year Founded
UP Diliman	1968
PMI	1969
FEATI U	1970
MIT	1970
NU	1970
UST	1971

Adromil (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• On a *slightly* different topic. The assumption that seems to be made is that Tau Gamma Phi was chosen because it is the Greek Initials for Triskelion Grand Fraternity and Tau Gamma Sigma similarly for Triskelion Grand Sorority. Is that something that is publicly official or not? (It seems that at least half of the Greek Letter Organizations in the Philippines have Greek Letters derived from English Phrases (Beta Epsilon - Brotherhood of Engineers, Tau Mu Sigma Phi - Thomasian(?) Medical School Fraternity)Naraht (talk) 09:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is official.Adromil (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

What is a good reference for that? I found pquetriskelion.site90.net (and looked at the google cached version since google though it was a virus site), is that accurate? Is http://puptriskelion.blogspot.com/2009_10_01_archive.html better?Naraht (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I think http://puptriskelion.blogspot.com/2009_10_01_archive.html is better. Adromil (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

ill template

For the De Ocampo Memorial Colleges, I used a template called ill (for interlanguage link) that is pretty cool. By doing {{ill|tl|De Ocampo Memorial Colleges}} it first looks for an article on en.wikipedia called De Ocampo Memorial Colleges and when it doesn't find it, has a red link for the English version, but gives a link to the Tagalog one. (If the Article on english wikipedia is created, it just links there). More information at Template:ill. Given this, more schools can be linked...

Also, is the list you have the one from the closed website?Naraht (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

That one is indeed *very* cool. I'm glad you used it. Great job!

Yes, it is from www.taugammaphionline.com Adromil (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Tau Gamma Phi chapters

The article List of Tau Gamma Phi chapters has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is no reason to suppose that these individual chapters are notable. The universities where they are housed are, sure, but I don't think we need a comprehensive list of all chapters.

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TAU GAMMA PHI Section

Sir,

User:Naraht is making fun of our fraternity.

please take a look of the article regarding our beloved fraternity:

due to its leftist leanings the Tau Gamma Phi Fraternity's office was raided under an Arrest-Search and Seizure Order signed by then Secretary of Defense Wally Bayola.[3][4][5]

Metro Manila Regional Council under Atty. Jose P. Manalo, took the trial initiative to explore the idea to tap the younger generations. They decided to recruit in the High School sector. This gave birth to the "Junior Tau Gamma Phi" or better known as the "Junior Triskelions", founded at San Beda College - High School in 1975, where Triskelion Paolo Ballesteros was one of the founders.[6]

i already edited the article twice since he also is editing the article today.

is there any way we can report him?

as i have checked his profile, he is a member of Alpha Phi Omega. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.0.236.86 (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I noticed because you changed Alpha Phi Omega's page (Frank Sinatra, etc.) and your changes to Tau Gamma Phi were made without any reference at all and thus I diverted them. In addition, "Monching" if you google it has a very ugly first definition. It is unclear to me whether that meaning also applies in the Philippines. I'll check the references on the things that you changed recently. Yes, I'm an alumnus of Alpha Phi Omega (USA), but with more knowledge about the Philippine Fraternity and Sorority system (such as it is) than 99.999% of the APO-USA Brothers. I'm also an experienced Wikipedia editor going back more than 10 years.Naraht (talk) 14:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, Adromil hasn't edited wikipedia since last October.Naraht (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

First, Wikipedia has this Requests for administrator attention page which provide guidelines on how to dispute contents etc. And we can raise our concerns after several warnings to For our concerns for User:Naraht.

Second, Thank you for calling my attention since it's has been long since I've been active in wikipedia. Adromil (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll be happy to help with improvement of any of the Philippine Fraternity and Sorority pages. All (including APO and TGF/S) could use improvement. Most of that is due to a significantly smaller amount of secondary sources available (I'd pay good money for any of the Philippine Newspapers to keep good online archives. :( ) Honestly, the best Philippine Fraternity/Sorority wikipedia page is probably the Oblation Run, but that is due to the International coverage that the Oblation Run gets. As I indicated on the IP users page, I believe that my only incorrect action was to revert the IP users *correct* changes to the Tau Gamma Phi page after the IP vandalized the Alpha Phi Omega page. This was not done from a sense of revenge, it was done thinking that *both* had been vandalized by a member of another fraternity.Naraht (talk) 13:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Template User:Tau Gamma Phi

The user template would like to be made, but I'll be happy to help it be made.Naraht (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

How to make the user template? Adromil (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Same way any other article is made. :) I've started it at Template:User Tau Gamma Phi with the name changed and black instead of blue. It currently looks like

ΤΓΦThis user is a member of
Tau Gamma Phi.

If you would rather that the black and gold are reversed, that can be done as well.

This is very much appreciated. I might consider the reversed one, it is shows more significance to the color of our seal, light over darkness. cheers!

I tried to apply some modifications on the user template, and I think it would fit better. Thank you very much. Adromil (talk) 01:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem. The template as created got put into a hidden maintenance category called Category:Potentially illegible userboxes, but even looking *way* under the hood (I'm seeing the transmission from the *top* of the car), I can't figure out why. Note, there are 18,000 userboxes in that category, so you aren't alone. The only way that I was able to get it out of that category is by making the background color on the right hand side > E8E8E8 which is a very pale shade of gray, so I'm guessing it is complaining about the contrast between the info-c value and info-fc value. Let me know if you care. :)Naraht (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Template User:Tau Gamma Sigma

Want to try creating one for the Sisters? :)Naraht (talk) 18:05, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I've thought of it last night, that's a great idea! Adromil (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC) Adromil (talk) 10:27, 27 January 2017 (GMT+8)

I have already created {{Template:User Tau Gamma Sigma}} @ Template:User Tau Gamma Sigma

ΤΓΣThis user is a member of
Tau Gamma Sigma.

I am looking on how to protect such template to avoid vandalism.

I wouldn't worry about that, userboxes are rarely vandalized, I'll add it to my watchlist. Almost nothing on Wikipedia gets protected if it hasn't been vandalized at least once. (and those are generally technical templates used in other templates.Naraht (talk) 14:38, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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