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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Never Say Never (TV Series)

Hello Aleenf1, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Never Say Never (TV Series) to a proposed deletion tag. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow to protect the encyclopedia, and do not fit the page in question. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Field hockey

Hey, why? In basketball, handball only the top ten are listed. I think the top ones are enough, all others can be seen on the match reports/templates. You have a reason why every one should be listed? I could add them if you tell me why. Kante4 (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Also there i say the top ten is enough, not more. But it's common to list every one in the football articles, don't know why. Check the handball/basketball tournament (world/europe) of the last years. Kante4 (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I know you like to have every hockey article in control but i think that gives users a good overview. Maybe we should ask other editiors what they think about it? Kante4 (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Going from the other edits, no but that doesn't matter. So, are we going to ask other editors what they think about it? Like Arbero, HandsomeFella, Lihas and/or others? Kante4 (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree that one guideline should be there, but right it isn't, that's the problem. Thanks and you too. Kante4 (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Re:Talk page guidelines

Thanks for showing me guidelines, but I found the followings:

Share material: The talk page can be used to "park" material removed from the article due to verification or other concerns, while references are sought or concerns discussed. New material can be prepared on the talk page until it is ready to be put into the article; this is an especially good idea if the new material (or topic as a whole) is controversial.

It's true that I put my work on discussion page, but it's for demonstration and discussion. So, may I welcome you to the discuss page to tell me the reason why you think it's unworkable to put in the contents related with tattoo? --WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 13:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

原来您是华人，那我们沟通可以更顺畅了。O(∩_∩)O 很抱歉，我并不认为我增加文身相关的内容这次编辑对页面Lin Dan造成了破坏，因此特邀请您在讨论页面探讨下您撤销我的操作的具体原因。--WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 13:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

恕愚钝没太明白，什么源不算？这种质疑本身就是来自于民间，官方没有出声我认为也可以列到里面。另外这里有一个视频，[1]，这人是中国比较有名的一个评论员。这种评论可以证明它的关注度吗？——WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 12:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

没关系您回得不晚，我也不经常上维基百科的。我是觉得争议也是林丹文身很重要的一部分，虽然没有大规模的报道，但是也可以列进去表明存在的一种看法。维基百科正式提倡包容并举才有如此多的使用者的。——WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 09:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

我之后补上了中国基督教界人士对他十字架文身的评论，不仅仅是体育迷，您可能没注意到。我认为有两个方向在质疑，有一定的影响力了。——WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 14:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring, as you did at 2006 Asian Games. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Aleenf1 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Sorry, i can't get why i was blocked for discussed matters where already done in Talk:2006 Asian Games#Torch Relay revisions and Talk:2006 Asian Games#Torch relay and i dunno why at this point i was sued for edit warring? I didn't learn that consensus approach many years ago can't be stay, perhaps that IP never involve in discussion as it done before.

Accept reason:

My sincere apologies. I did not see the discussion. You have been unblocked. Toddst1 (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

World League

Hey, why do we have 2 World League articles for the 2012-14 season? Like your ones better or? Others can be redirected i say. Results/Scheduled that you miss can be copied, just my opinion. Kante4 (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, i created the women's one. Kante4 (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hockey goal template

Hey, I just wanted to know why the old template (fhg) was replaced with the new one (fhgoal)? Having doubts in which one to use...Thanks! User:M&m89 (talk) 21:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC-03)

Fhgoal, it is created to reduce the editing efforts. --Aleenf1 11:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is it so? How does it reduce editing efforts? Sorry for asking, I'm new, trying to get a hold of things around here. User:M&m89 (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Fhgoal can fill until 20 goals (time scoring and type) without break, fhg is only 1 goal fill. --Aleenf1 12:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Nice work locating and tagging all those orphaned talkpages. G8 has never had to work so hard! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Wales national field hockey team

There is no need to delete the redirect to create a new article by this name. Instead just replace the redirect with the new article. It's essentially the same thing as tagging the redirect for deletion. —teb728 t c 07:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

If you are planning to create a new article slowly in your userspace to move to that title, then it will need deleting before the move. If you're just going to put an article straight in, then just do it. There's no magic about redirects. In the meantime, I've declined your speedy request. Peridon (talk) 10:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Hockey discipline

You understood what I said in the wrong way. You say that everything that does not affect the result of the game is not important enough to be included. In accordance to that, I say that umpire information might as well be erased as they didn´t have any effect in the result of the game. Date and time as well didn´t have an effect in the result, nonetheless we put it. Therefore discipline information, even though it didn´t affect the result, should appear. It appears in the match report made by FIH, it should appear in the article. One other thing. You say that I should question in soccer (football) articles the umpire subject. If you base your way of making articles in soccer ones, you should be adding the discipline information then. They do it. Check it out. Honestly, I might be new to all this, but in my opinion it's a little bit arbitrary to erase information at ones pleasure that has been posted in articles for quite a while, specially when that information is accurate and pertinent to the subject in question. User:M&m89 (talk) 23:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

PS: Not only soccer, but handball and rugby union articles as well feature discipline informartion. User:M&m89 (talk) 23:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The Tunkhannock hoaxer

Hi. You do a lot of tagging of talk pages without articles, so you are more likely than most to come across the work of the "Tunkhannock hoaxer" who, from IPs located at Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania or sometimes places near there, posts on talk pages like "Talk:Primordean" pseudo-scientific hoax pages which look plausible at first, but not at second glance. By themselves, they do little harm because they quickly get deleted, but the hoaxer has started editing existing articles with "facts" to fit the hoaxes, which is more serious. So this note is to ask you (a) if you meet any more of these, please check the IP's other contributions to see whether there is anything that needs to be reverted, and (b) drop me a note of the IP number. I am starting to compile a list, though I don't know that it will be much use - the addresses are too varied for a range block to be possible. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message, you mean the IP will edit on article itself rather than talk page anymore, that is what you mean, right? --Aleenf1 02:45, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they still make hoaxes on talk pages, but also edit articles like this and this. JohnCD (talk) 09:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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I'm not the one crossing lines

Where do I begin?... I accepted what you said the other time about the order of things in the template. It was only my opinion that World League should be placed before where it is, therefore I said nothing about your correction.

Now, if you had checked what my last edit to that template was about you would have realised that the reason of my order change was because the continental federations are not in an alphabetical order (Asia before Africa, Oceania before Europe). I was just correcting a mistake, nothing else. If you check International Hockey Federation#Member associations you could see that the federations are in order. Then why should the ones in the templante not be?...

Let's continue with the junior continental championships. You say, and I quote, that you "have to NO". It's true most sports templates don't show them (Volleyball and Handball do show them), but what I don't get is what is the problem of showing them? You base your actions on what is done in other articles, in other sports articles in this case. Why does everything have to be equal to the rest? The last edit you made to this template you did it to resemble the football template, saying that "ranking first before teams". It's funny, because men's football doesn't show the junior championships, but womens' does. Same sport but the templates show different things. This tournaments are part of international hockey, they qualify teams to the junior world cup, they should appear. They are tournaments organised by each federation, just like the senior continental championships. Most players have participated in this tournaments before playing for their senior national teams and at international senior level. Why not adding it? Is it detrimental in some way that I'm not being able to see?... I don't think so. If some sports templates show it, then it isn't wrong or out of place to do it. (M&m89 (talk) 06:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC))

PS: The imperative mood in English is formed with the infinitive form of the verb, not the gerund. E.g., do not cross the line.

If it was so important for you to discuss the order in the template, why didn't you now that you had the chance??? Honestly I think you undo or revert edits just for the sake of it.

It's true there isn't much information about junior continental championships, but anyway, isn't it ever that they appear in the template? That way more people would see the articles haven't been created yet, and maybe someone will have the initiative to start one. The whole idea of Wikipedia is to gather as much information as possible, and by showing links to not created articles they are present for anyone to create them, therefore, more information, more articles, etc. If we only use links for already created articles, information would not be as accurate as it could be.

That beign said, it isn't any of your business what I'm scratching my head into, thank you very much. Stop thinking you have some kind of right over the rest OK? I've seen that I'm not the only one you've had some kind of issue with...

PS: Useful advice, try being clearer when you explain yourself, sometimes it's really difficult understanding what you intend to say. It's better to check what we post so to make sure it makes sense not only to us but to others as well.

My apologies. You are more than welcome. --M&m89 (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Who said I wasn't going to do so? All in good time... Should I say that I focus on whatever it pleases me my darling, not needing anyone else to do so for me, let alone you. Cheers. --M&m89 (talk) 04:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Really? You are asking for good not bad? I'm a barbarian? Please read again your posts and rethink your actions. If saying that I can focus on whatever I want and asking you please not to get involved in my interests as I do not get involved in yours is being uncivil, then you don't know the word's meaning. And about being cooperative with others, I tried so with you. You were the one that undid and reverted edits with no apparent reason, being completely arbitrary, thinking you have rights over the other editors. --M&m89 (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned talk pages

Thanks for tagging all of the orphaned talk pages. I've deleted most that I found, but I declined the one for Talk:Maximiliano Andrés Laso — this was actually a valid stub, so I've moved it to Maximiliano Andrés Laso. Could you check quickly before you tag a talk page to ensure that you're not tagging any valid pages? Nyttend (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

This page was created by an IP address; unless you're logged in, you can't create pages in mainspace, but you can create talk pages. I just don't want to see a good page deleted by accident. Nyttend (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

International field hockey

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:International field hockey. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Frietjes (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hockey or field hockey?

Hi Aleenf1, which one is the most appropriate name in the context of the Asian Games? User:Intoronto1125 has changed many of articles' titles (hockey → field hockey). — Bill william compton^Talk 02:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

In context of Asian, i believe many people know about hockey more than field hockey, like in Southeast Asia, no winter or snowing, people will not acknowledge the ice hockey, so more people will know only hockey rather than ice hockey or field hockey. I'm refer "hockey", people will know it is field hockey rather than ice hockey. This is subjective, but still in terms of Asian Games, hockey should be place first rather than field hockey. --Aleenf1 12:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I was expecting the same answer. In Asia, hardly anyone (except from CIS nations) would recognize ice hockey by the term hockey. This user has changed so many articles that I can't rollback all of them, so I hope you could help me out. — Bill william compton^Talk 12:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, he is Canadian, different reading. Of course i will help, but our conversation is enough to become consensus? I don't want engage in "move" war because I'm knew how he was. --Aleenf1 14:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Bill I only changed the calendar in relation to Asian Games. There is also a Asian Winter Games as well, so hockey is not mutually exclusive to either sport. Also the readership of Wikipedia is not limited to readers from Asia only. Like myself there are readers from Canada who think hockey as ice hockey as opposed to field. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 15:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

This naming already debate so many times, even in hockey event at Commonwealth Games. See this page, what is obvious and declaration by OCA, even Google search yield more field hockey results rather ice hockey. Furthermore, if said hockey can refer as ice hockey in Canada, why the common name such as soccer not use in article like Soccer at the Asian Games. Is how to apply personally. --Aleenf1 15:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Manual of style

Thank you so much for your warm welcome. If what you are saying about flags refers to the time I put a flag in the reference below the qualification chart, I immediately reverted it after you added the link of correct flag use to the explanation of your edit. I even corrected other articles where I had mistakenly used the flags in same type references to set it right. If you are referring to something different, I don't know what it could be about. Besides that was over a week ago, I find it rather odd that you make a comment on that now.

About the links, I use the "Previous" to denote that that website was the previous official one, now there is another. It doesn't mean that it's the official website to the previous time of the tournament, that wouldn't even make sense. If you go to those websites, you are redirected to the current FIH website. That is why I use the "Previous", so that it can be more than clear to everyone that it is not the current official website, but the previous one, one that used to be the official but it is not anymore as it was replaced (although that doesn't mean that it ceased to exist) --M&m89 (talk) 07:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

New template

Hey, i really like it. Any option from your side to the overtime/golden goal discussion? Kante4 (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Really good template, I liked it!. Just one thing, check this out. Why is China in the quarter-final match in a different size than the others?--M&m89 (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Sure. I used the template in both 2012 Champions Trophy. I noticed that the team 1 in the second quarter-final match appears in a different size than the rest of the teams in the bracket. In men's, it is Austrilia in the match against England. In women's, it is China against Argentina. The height of the row is higher than in other rows.--M&m89 (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

SOrry, I still see it the same way...--M&m89 (talk) 12:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I did what you said, but is the same thing. It´really weird, because if I see it in Internet Explorer or Mozilla, the team1 is bigger in size but slightly, almost no difference. In Chrome is almost double size. I have no idea what it could be... I tried it in 3 different computers, they are all the same.--M&m89 (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Reply Signature

LOL, I'm already use it for a long time, why now you ask me to change it?. — иz нίpнόp  16:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done — иz нίpнόp ^ʜᴇʟᴘ! 05:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Translation request

Hi Allenf1, is it possible for you to translate this page to Chinese? ●Mehran ^Debate● 16:03, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Great, in fact I need it for Kiwix homepage and the Chinese version will be put at this page, but feel free to write it everywhere you liked. Thanks in advance ●Mehran ^Debate● 16:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks you very much. Can you suggest a translation for the word "Kiwix"? I mean a Chinese word pronounced "Kiwix"? ●Mehran ^Debate● 06:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if you're familiar with Kiwix or not. Anyway, I needed you translation to improve its website which is here, and I put your translation in this page. Feel free to edit there and correct the mistakes that you see. I would appreciate your valuable help and wish to make amends. Regards ●Mehran ^Debate● 07:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi

I reverted your edits because Digi Sport and Dolce Sport can be also watched on cable, not just on Digi TV and Dolce (satellite television) platforms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcu34 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

All addition must according to the source, not your words. --Aleenf1 11:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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HWL Final or Finals

I had the same doubt when the FIH stopped calling them Round 4. I think for now we can leave as that and wait until the post the event in their website. They always talk about both tournamens as Semifinals and Finals, but refering to both. This will be more clear in a few month I think. --M&m89 (talk) 15:30, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

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BWF Oceania GP

I think this was never in the Grand Prix [2]. Best Florentyna (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, it had Grand Prix status (whatever this was good for), had no price money and did not belong to the GP [3]. Some other news [4]. Florentyna (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I think Grand Prix status means that it isn't GP tourney but they counting it as equal as GP in terms of the point that players earned. See this at point 6.8 [5]. They wrote it specifically about Continental Championship because it's not an open tournament. They also clearly said that Grand Prix Event are open to all the players from all over the world , not restricted by Region they are from [6], in that page you can see also that they don't put Asian & Europa Championship in a Grand Prix Calender even they classified it as Grand Prix Gold or u can see the link that Florentyna gave, there's no Oceania Championship there. But if u still keep insist to put Oceania, then you have to put other Continental Championship also like Asian, European and Pan-Am. that's fair enough. AssedL (talk)

Speedy deletion declined: Talk:Hugo Grüters

Hello Aleenf1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Talk:Hugo Grüters, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: technically meets G8, but can simply be moved to mainspace instead. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 17:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Reach for consensus

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Thank you for restoring the original version for the 2013 Malaysia Super Series and 2013 Korea Super Series Premier. I wasn't sure how to revert so many edits in one move and undoing 150 edits seemed preposterous. --MorrisIV (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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A note

Your CSDing wasn't quite spot on here; you should know GA review pages are an exception to the usual talk page speedy rule. Please watch out exactly what you're doing and not just blindly speedying. Sir Rcsprinter, Bt (warn) @ 19:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Champions League broadcaster

I know that. I am adding sourced information about the broadcasters to the articles, along with many others who have done so over the last year, with sources. But you keep removing them. I don't understand why; Fox broadcasts the final and the Fox cable channels broadcast the remainder of the tournament. It is sourced in multiple places. Please stop asserting ownership over the article or else I will have to take you to WP:3RR. Nate • (chatter) 03:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have posted to the article's talk page, and expect a response of some kind, which you have not given to any of the concerned editors on that page. The next step beyond this is 3RR. Nate • (chatter) 04:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I assume that these articles list all broadcasters of the tournament, which Fox is one. It might be only one match, but it's the championship game, so it should be listed. I don't care about time broker agreements or anything; they're airing it. It should be listed, and I don't understand your hostility. This is a collaborative project. Nate • (chatter) 04:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Its not really time-brokered if its an outlet owned by the exact same company. I've had issues with this exact situation once before. ViperSnake151  Talk  04:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a tv guide, whatever Fox Soccer or Fox Soccer Plus, it is subsidiary channel of Fox Sports. Furthermore, is not US who does have finals shown FTA only, France too, do not make any bias on this. I'm more elected to place a footnote rather than disrupt the table for season long broadcaster. --Aleenf1 05:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

What confusion is there? It's seven characters that don't interrupt the flow of the table in any way. No footnotes are needed. Nobody will be confused at all. You're warring over information that is well-sourced already. Can I ask again, what is the problem with including it? Nate • (chatter) 06:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you get it? Fox Sports is NOT FREE. I repeat it just contracted to shown the final on FTA television, and US never get FTA for Champions League, so still the status never change. --Aleenf1 06:49, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I am aware of that. Fox Sports and the Fox Network are owned by the same corporation. The Fox broadcast network is free to air. They have about 300 affiliates across the country that you can watch without paying a cent. Nate • (chatter) 07:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Even Fox Network is free, however it is not hold seasonal free for Champions League. Many broadcaster offer free and pay for seasons, but Fox is only offer a match for free. I don't think why should listing there for just one match, this will give a much problem to the future shall any broadcaster only air final. --Aleenf1 08:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)