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Your GA nomination of Via Giulia

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DYK for Collegio Ghislieri (Rome)

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

New to Wikipedia.Thanks for your help.--Atomic-ph (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Francesco Alidosi

Hello Alessandro, I have listed a picture of cardinal Francesco Alidosi as picture of the day to appear on the Wikipedia main page on 17 July 2020. Now the article on this man is in poor shape, and I wondered whether you would have access to suitable sources and the inclination to improve it. If you don't fancy the idea, forget about it; I have found an English language book online, "The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571" which may be helpful and I will manage to cobble something together. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) As Alex will surely know, there's a fairly comprehensive (and authoritative) account of Alidosi's life here. There will be other (better?) sources too, but there should be enough there for our purposes. Regards to both, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

That message addressed to Cwmhiraeth, thought I'd said so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes Cwmhiraeth and Justlettersandnumbers, I was thinking to the DBI article too: it is a very good source, for all famous (and less famous) Italians whose initial goes from A to S (the DBI it is a titanic enterprise, I wonder if I will ever see its end :-)) Alex2006 (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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—valereee (talk) 00:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Mussolini

Hi Alessandro, I see you deleted Mussolini from the Italian exiles category. He has indeed never been exiled, but he did it himself in the first years of '900 to avoid the military service. He went back to Italy after an amnesty, and later he served in the army. Maybe I am wrong, but is my opinion that we can consider him an exile. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hallo Charlie Foxtrot66, and thanks for writing! Yes, I deleted the category, because Mussolini cannot be considered an exile. As you write, one can divide the exiles in two categories: those who are exiled by the government of the country where they live, and those who decide to leave autonomously their country because they are persecuted or harassed (this is called "voluntary exile"). Mussolini does not belong to one of these two categories: he decided to leave Italy because he broke the law (refusing to serve in the army has been a crime as long as in Italy there has been the compulsory military service), and decided to escape abroad to avoid punishment. As soon as there was an amnesty in Italy, he came back. So we can consider him a fugitive, but not an exile, and I don't think that he considered himself an exile either. I looked in my library in the books about Mussolini, and none of the authors consider his sojourn in Switzerland as an exiled person. They write about "fuga" (escape) or "soggiorno" (sojourn) in Switzerland. Generally speaking, in order to consider someone a voluntary exile, there should always be the perception of an harassment or of a wrongdoing on the side of the state towards him/her: this is very well explained in the voice "Esilio" of the Enciclopedia Italiana. I translated for you the part which concern us: "The concept of exile includes the voluntary abandonment of the homeland, a consequence of the need, even if only opined, to escape persecution or political or civil violence." But Mussolini was not persecuted: he committed a crime, and due to this he was wanted by the military justice. Alex2006 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, then almost nobody is exile, also the antifascists did break the law and escaped to avoid prosecution, and same the Risorgimento patriots. Meanwhile, Ugo Foscolo went to voluntary exile having no problems with law. Exile, as we can read also in the Wikipedia artycle about this word, is whoever, doesn't matter why, has a reason to leave his country and cannot come back, at least as long the problem is solved. Mussolini wasn't a tourist in Switzerland, or a common migrant wich may come back whenever he want, even just for a holiday. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Foxtrot66, I guess from your answer that you didn't understand what I wrote, so I invite you to read it again carefully. According to the concept of exile explained by the Enciclopedia Italiana (what is written on Wikipedia doesn't count, because Wikipedia articles as you know can't be used as sources directly) both patriots of the Risorgimento and antifascists must be considered exiles, because in both cases there is a perception of the wrong suffered by a state (Austria in the former case, fascist Italy in the latter). The same for Foscolo, because his decision to exile derives from the foreign occupation of his land [1]. All this is not present in Mussolini, who at the time of his escape to Switzerland was a Mr. nobody worried only about avoiding military service as it happened to hundreds of Italians. However, if you find a source that describes Mussolini's stay in Switzerland as an exile and he as an exile you are welcome to inform me about it. Those in my possession, including the standard work on him written by Renzo de Felice, do not consider him an exile. I then opened a thread on the voice exile to change the definition of voluntary exile, which in my opinion is wrong. It may well be that in the Anglo-Saxon world the definition is different from the Italian one (which is what is described in the Enciclopedia Italiana), but to decide this we need authoritative sources, and the definition there unfortunately is unsourced. Alex2006 (talk) 04:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Alessandro, is not that I don't understand you, is that I disagree... is not the same thing. Ok, if you are the one who decides who's exile and who is not, then it's fine with me, I just wanna give a help but this is not so important for me to go on with this discussion... Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 06:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Charlie Foxtrot66, if you affirm above that "then almost nobody is exile", this means that you didn't understand the definition which the EI gave (or that you understood it, but don't want to admit it, :-) but I always assume good faith). This definition excludes only the people who leaves the country because they want to escape regular (this means not politically motivated) justice (this was Mussolini's case), but they are a tiny minority among all those that you name exiles. And I am not absolutely the one who decides who is an exile: I brought a very solid source describing the term, you are welcome to bring others. Anyway, I opened a thread in the exile talk page to start a discussion about the definition of "voluntary exile". Thanks again for writing, bye, Alex2006 (talk) 06:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I will go on editing Wikipedia, and you will go on opening discussions, everybody gives his contribution. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 13:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

:-) I do both Charlie Foxtrot66 (but actually I prefer writing :-)). If you have a look above our thread, you can see some the DYK advice about articles which I wrote this year. Being Italian, I write above all articles about Italy (mostly Rome), but also history, Turkey, etc.. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Neccio

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DYK for Neccio

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Hi Alessandro I’m sending this goat to you because I never realized how many articles you have created that I read daily like Kasim Aga Mosque or cistern of Aspar. So keep on editing.

Carthago814 (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Via Giulia

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Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Your Reversion of My Edit

I added the Turkish name of Kastellorizo in the introduction part of the article but you removed it and said it belonged to the "names" section. Could you explain why you think it "only" belongs there? Because in articles about the Turkish islands in the Aegean(Gökçeada/Bozcaada), the Greek names of the islands are mentioned both in the names sections and the introduction parts. So if it's not a problem then, it shouldn't be a problem when it comes to the Turkish names. I believe you should either undo your reversion or remove the Greek names from the introduction parts of the articles about the Turkish Aegean islands. I love the Greek names of the Turkish islands, I think they prove how culturally close and intertwined we are with the Greeks so please choose the former and undo your reversion. Thank you. Konyevi (talk) 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Konyevi:, thanks for your nice message. The reason for my revert is that the consensus for Kastellorizo is to put the (many) different names of the island in a dedicate section. This decision is based on this guideline. If you will read it, you will see that one can put the alternative names after the official ones in parenthesis (the way you suggest) or, alternatively, in a dedicated section, and that this is recommended in the case of more than three names (this is the case for Kastellorizo). I don't know how many names are notable for the Turkish Aegean islands, but you can follow (maybe after opening a thread on the talk page of the article) this way too. Generally speaking, adding Turkish names to Greek islands is a quite thorny issue, but if there is a compelling reason (demographic, like a Turkish minority still living on the island, historical or geographical, i.e., proximity to the Anatolian coast) adding the Turkish name is accepted (although you can always expect that sometime someone try to cancel it). Being neither Turk nor Greek, I try to remain neutral in this issue. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Should Wikipedia be censored?

Ciao Alessandro. You might be interested in following Talk:Eritrea - the two bottom talk page sections (currently); and Talk:Eritrean Defence Forces#Tigray conflict. I get the impression that these are also a case of censorship, including one item which just doesn't make sense: why refuse to NPOV and properly (rather than bare-url) reference the population estimate of a country? Boud (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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Rachele was Mussolini's step-sister.

It is a fact that Rachele Mussolini (nee Guidi) was Mussolini's step-sister. This is a widely accepted fact as established in academic biographies of Mussolini. See, for example, Bosworth, Richard JB. Mussolini. Bloomsbury Publishing, 2014. That is, for a scholar of Mussolini, it was considered a "constructive" addition to the biography. Kindly note that it was evidently considered "constructive" to mention on the Benito Mussolini wiki page that he married "fellow countrywoman". That is a detail of very low (and obvious for any reader) value; the fact that he married his step-sister is of considerably higher value. Where scholarly usage insufficient, kindly note, also, that the wiki page of one Adolf Hitler, mentions that he was rumored to have romantic relationsh with his neice. I assume, therefore that it is your personal opinion of what constitutes "constructive". Apparently, what you consider "constructive" is not supported by authroitative scholarship or other wiki pages. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

No, it is not "a fact". Rachele Guidi could have been the step-sister of Mussolini. Her mother Anna Lombardi, before marrying the farmer of a large estate, Agostino Guidi, was in fact engaged to Alessandro Mussolini, a friend of Andrea Costa and known as a 'subversive', who preferred to her the schoolteacher Rosa Maltoni. This is what is known today. Unfortunately I don't have Bosworth's biography, but I have read de Felice's biography, which is the definitive work on Mussolini, and there is no such thing written. If Bosworth has new facts (facts, not gossip) on this we can include it, but you should quote the passage where he states this, and the relevant pages. Alex2006 (talk) 14:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Caro Alessandro, thank you for the prompt and courteous reply. Having read your reply, I suspect that perhaps there is a subtle but important misunderstanding between "step-sister" and "half-sister". (To my understanding, in Italian, the term "sorellastra" is used for both, no?) In Enlgish, "half-sister" means that there is one blood-relative parent in common. A "step-sister" does not share a biological parent. A "step" relationship is created when a parent of each enter into a romantic relationship or one based on cohabitation. I hope that is the cause of the confusion (as I suspect from your response, which addresses a situation of possible half-sibling status based on rumor). I am not suggesting that she was Benito's "half-sister". I am stating the commonly known fact that they were "step-siblings" as is construed and accepted in the Enlgish language. Otherwise, the facts remain as presented: Rachele moved in with the Mussolini family in 1910 (after the death of her father in 1902 and the death of Benito's mother in 1905). Her mother was Alessandro's cohabitating lover (or common law wife) at this point. As such, when she became Benito's wife, she was already his step-sister. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Of course, I would be more than happy to draft different language for the edit, to take into account the fine nuances that have been highlighted by this exchange. Warm regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 00:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Here is the Reference, for your consideration: R.J.B. Bosworth, Mussolini (Oxford UP, 2002). [available as an ebook online as well] :

"Benito and Rachele began cohabiting in early 1910; she must have fallen pregnant at much the same time. Some months before, Mussolini had made her his 'intended', writing properly that he was worried about her moral status while she resided with his father and her mother at the Bersagliere inn." (p 74-75) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh-oh... now I understand, sorry! The problem is that step-sister is translated as sorellastra, but that's wrong! In Italian, a "sorellastra" has a biological parent in common with the person in question, and this was not the case. The problem remains though: in fact Benito's father and Rachele's mother were lovers, not married. And according to the Merrian-Webster a step-sister is "a daughter of one's stepparent by a former partner", where a stepparent is "the wife or husband of one's parent when distinct from one's natural or legal mother or father". What you affirm would have been true if the two had been married, but they were not. Or am I wrong again with my Italo-English? ;-) Alex2006 (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Alessandro, before continuing, please let me underscore my sincere appreciation to your dedication to the issue, and the wiki framework for dispute resolution. If you were at all slighted by a previous comment or tone of my intial comment, please accept my apologies. I am glad we have identified the confusion over "sorellastra". Now, for "marriage". Merriam-Webster does inlcude in its definition of step-siblings the concept of "marriage", as you noted. However, the same source notes in the definition for "marriage" that the definition is not a matter for dictionaries to define (see definition 1.a.). This is particularly important in light of same-sex/ same-gendered marriage. While I recognize that this is not the case here, it is important to keep in mind in terms of wiki precedence. More importantly (I hope you will agree), is the due consideration of the practice of "common law" or "de facto" marriage based on mutual recognition or cohabitation. MWD defines "common law marriage" as: "2: the cohabitation of a couple even when it does not constitute a legal marriage". [In some US jurisdictions, the establishment of marriage-based legal rights may even be applied by the courts to common law relationships without the consent of the parties!] This certainly describes the relationship of their parents as a form of marriage. (While I am aware that wiki is not a viable source, the wiktionary definition of step-sibling is superior as it encompasses the definitions in a more clear manner and is better suited for modern usages accross cultural barriers, IMHO.) As such, they were step-siblings through (common-law) marriage as defined in the English language as represented in your source. I look forward to the resolution of this matter so that we may move on to more interesting wiki talks about Roman history, and the like. Perhaps move from a rather Byzantine conversation to a Turkish delight? ;D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 00:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I messed up an edit (entering text in the wrong place in our conversation. I just wanted to add that I would be more than happy to propose new language for the edit here, so that we can collaborate on an edit that incorporates the nuances identified in this conversation, and in light of the definitions provided. Warm regads, and thank you for the unbiased, intellectual exercise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 01:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. However, as I am not a native English speaker, and I don't know the common law, I think the best thing to do is to reopen the request and ask for the opinion of Wikipedian friends whose mother language is English. I will copy our conversation here there. However, there is one thing that puzzles me: Mussolini's father and Guidi's mother did not really live more uxorio. Mussolini met Rachele when he was substituting his mother at the primary schools as a teacher, then he didn't see her anymore for nine years, while she was working as a service woman (like his mother) in Forli', and he casually met her again in the trattoria where she worked and where, in a room upstairs, Mussolini's father had just moved in with her mother. There was no family relationship between them, so to call her (step-)sister seems inappropriate. Unfortunately, the Anglo-Saxon sources, for obvious reasons, do not reach the almost maniacal degree of precision of the Italian ones with regard to Mussolini's life (consider that the first volume of de Felice's "Il rivoluzionario", which covers Mussolini's life from his birth to 1920, is longer than Bosworth's entire work), so it is easy to make mistakes. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:33, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Alessandro, I am fine with moving forward in whatever way you prefer. I recognize that a more nuanced mention is deserving, as is a culturally relevant consideration of what might be considered "mistakes". Hopefully we can do this collectively. Kindly let me know where that conversation will take place. I very much look forward to reading Felice's seminal biography. Thank you again for your close attention to this thread. Very warm regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.108.58 (talk) 13:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

You can comment on your original edit request. I asked a fellow Wikipedian who knows the English language much better than I do (not difficult :-)) to comment on your request. Regarding De Felice, I think that unfortunately it has never been translated into English: 6000 pages are a lot, and reading his work requires a large investment of time. anyway, if you know Italian and are passionate of this period, is a great reading! He spent 30 years researching in the Italian archives (above all the ACS) or interviewing important fascist and non fascist people who were still alive at that time. The result is amazing. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Borgo Santo Spirito

On 29 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Borgo Santo Spirito, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the street Borgo Santo Spirito in Rome was named after a fortified complex for Anglo-Saxon pilgrims to Rome? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Borgo Santo Spirito. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Borgo Santo Spirito), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Modest flowers

Thank you for what you said on Yoninah's talk, - see also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2021-03-28/Obituary! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Marcello Petacci

On 27 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marcello Petacci, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marcello Petacci (pictured) was riddled with bullets after trying to escape execution by throwing himself into Lake Como? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marcello Petacci. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marcello Petacci), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Via Giulia

Thank you so much for your great article. I am translating it in French. I love Italy where I go often (I am French and I live in France). I am busy on Renaissance in Italy for Wikipedia. Have a nice day.--Adonia60 (talk) 06:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer! I translated the articles about Borgo Nuovo and Borgo Vecchio few days ago. They are very interesting and it is a nice way to travel when you cannot go abroad because of the pandemia. I noticed few articles to translate. The French Wikipedia is very poor on these topics. Rome is a fantastic city I visited many times. Adonia60 (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Cyprus

I saw your message on Doug's talk page about the Cyprus moves. I don't know if he has any particular interest in the topic, but it seemed like a pretty severe breach of WP:NPOV so I went ahead and reverted them all. Thanks for flagging it up. If you have time to look at the user's other contributions it would be helpful... they have also been making some dubious changes to the article content. – Joe (talk) 09:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Temple of Jupiter Apenninus

On 20 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Temple of Jupiter Apenninus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Temple of Jupiter Apenninus near Scheggia is depicted on the Tabula Peutingeriana (detail pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Temple of Jupiter Apenninus. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Temple of Jupiter Apenninus), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of SS3 Flaminia

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DYK for Mondeghili

On 10 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mondeghili, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that mondeghili (pictured) became popular during the Spanish domination of the Duchy of Milan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mondeghili. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mondeghili), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Your hook reached 29,400 views (1,225 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of October 2021—nice job! a hook about a plate of meatballs is currently the third most-viewed hook for the entire month—anyone who thinks they can begin to predict the internet is wrong theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for La Venuta

On 17 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article La Venuta, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the bonfires lit on the night of La Venuta recall the miraculous flight of the Holy House of Nazareth to Loreto? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/La Venuta. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, La Venuta), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Cathedral of Nocera Umbra

On 26 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cathedral of Nocera Umbra, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Cathedral of Nocera Umbra probably rests on the foundations of a temple dedicated to the goddess Favonia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cathedral of Nocera Umbra. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cathedral of Nocera Umbra), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Mail call

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Alfredo pasta

As you probably know Alfredo pasta is totally unknown in Italy, and you'll never find a restaurant who makes it. A similar dish, known as "pasta al burro" is the only similar thing you can find in Italy. So it is not Italian, rather an Italian-American dish. If it is in the "Cuisine of Italy" template we can add Hawaiian pizza as well... --79.19.219.156 (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC) Why is it vandalism? I'm trying to have a normal, calm discussion. Just explain why am I wrong...--79.19.219.156 (talk) 17:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are the nth ip (with n > 1000) trying to change the article. But you are right, better to explain (also if you could understand the problem reading with attention the article). The "Fettuccine all'Alfredo", also named "Fettuccine al triplo burro" were born in Rome, at the beginning of last century. Then the recipe migrated to the united states, and there it was developed and found its new home. As a result, the dish (which is not the classic fettuccine al burro, but a variation, since alfredo di Lello used to put butter in three different moments) was born in Italy (Rome) but is now popular in the united states. This is summarized in the infobox, where the place of origin is italy, but the associated national cuisine is american. Was I clear or should I explain myself better? Alex2006 (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Oxford Illustrated History of Medieval Europe

Alex2006, the QPQ you requested has been supplied, and it's been a while since you were pinged. Are you planning on completing this review soon, or should I find another reviewer to complete it? If you won't be returning, please let me know; otherwise, just finish it (and no need to notify me). Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @BlueMoonset:, and thanks for the information! The ping didn't work: the spelling is ok, but in the message dropdown it's not there. :-( Anyway I'll get it done by today, thanks again! Alex2006 (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Antiphellos

You cannot attack me about deleting a source when you literally use a tourism webpage to support your claim. Either come with a scholarly book/article specifically mentioning a valid, Turkish name of Kastellorizo, or stop edit warring. Also, your argument about distance makes absolutely no sense here. By your logic, the Balearic Islands should have Arabic names too, since they're only a couple kilometers away from the Algerian coast. Sainihånser (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

• More like a couple dozen, but that's alright. That being said, the Balearics DO have Arabic names, both for the chain and the individual islands. Do you imagine they wouldn't have? There's an Arabic name for the United States (alwilayat almutahidat al'amrikia), despite being half a world away. Ravenswing 06:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

indice di ponderazione

I asked this many months ago, but never got back to you to follow up. I still did not understand your explanation for the calculation of the indice di ponderazione in metropolitan cities for elections. Specifically, I offered this table (https://cittametropolitana.ve.it/sites/default/files/news/Tabella%20indice%20ponderato_10072015.pdf) for you to use as an example, but you used an entire other example. Can you explain more clearly using the table provided? Thank you. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, nevermind. I think I may finally understand a bit better. Using the example I have posted above, Fascia D is 6.071% points above the 35% threshold to start out. Then you reweight everything to 100% - 41.071% = 58.929%; to find the new redistributed  % per fascia, let's say you take Fascia C. You divided 8.705% into the new weight of 58.929% to get .14772 (14.772%), though I'm not sure what this number represents. The next step I'm not exactly sure what's being calculated but you take the .14772 and multiply it by the portion that overhung the original 35% which was 6.071%; that gets you 0.8966, which you then add to the original % per fascia (8.705) to get 9.602%. I get everything after that, but what I'm still not understanding is what the figures we get in each of these 4 steps are. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I would like you to explain the Redistribuzione eccedenz process, though, so I know what each value is doing the steps. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Let me know when you see this last question asking for a better explanation of the redistriction process. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Casatiello

On 29 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Casatiello, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the ring shape of the casatiello represents Christ's crown of thorns? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Casatiello. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Casatiello), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help

Greetings,

Requesting your visit to Draft:Intellectual discourse over re-mosqueing of Hagia Sophia and article expansion help if you find your interest in the topic.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 13:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Edirnekapı

Hello.

1955 is the year when most Greek Orthodox/Greeks left Istanbul after the Istanbul Pogrom which happened that year. The source is dead, but the year is obvious. Finding a specific source about the fate of the Greek Orthodox/Greek population of Edirnekapı is proving difficult, but the entire Greek population throughout the city suffered and collapsed afterwards. Undetailed sources indicate that it was badly affected and the local Greek Orthodox Church was burned down.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.18.44 (talk) 12:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hallo, and thanks for writing! you are new to wikipedia, so I will explain you the main reason why I reverted you: this sentence is sourced, and you cannot change the meaning of a sourced sentence keeping the source in place. Personally, I know the history of the Istanbul Pogroms and I can believe that the Greeks escaped mainly to Greece, rather that to Nisantasi or Moda. But to have to reference this information. I will copy now this thread where it belongs to, that is on the discussion page of the article. Alex2006 (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. 31.200.18.44 (talk) 13:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome! BTW, I corrected the URL. Now it works! Alex2006 (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Victor Emmanuel III of Italy

Hi, if you have time, can you check the recent deletion from the article? Thanks Denisarona (talk) 09:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks. Denisarona (talk) 10:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Casatiello

I reverted your edits on Casatiello. The correct spelling is "casatiello", in the Italian language graphic accent only goes on the last letter. Treccani just wanted to show the tonic accent, and moreover it is not a source for Neapolitan language. Thanks, Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 05:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar

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You might be interested

Hi Alessandro, long time no speak. Thought you might be interested in this.[2] As far as I can see, the editorial pattern mimicks the usual "fight for a European Caucasus" narrative. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Pinging my old friend Chipmunkdavis who's also well aware of such recurrent POVs on Wikipedia. I don't think said account is a sock, but given their determination to change the overal "consensus" on Wikipedia (i.e. changing content on several related pages on the same day), this might be something to keep an eye on. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Louis, I'm OK, thanks, compatibly with the situation (war and Covid, which here in Switzerland rages again among general indifference). Coming to the article, the problem is that all these users play on the ambiguity between physical geographic definition and geopolitical definition. I have to say that the article in question is not very clear: when it reads "Geopolitical data for Asia", "Asia" must obviously be meant in the sense of physical geography, and maybe it should be specified. Otherwise, as it has happened, someone can pretend (rightly, since this is described in the paragraph) that the three countries in question belong geopolitically to Europe, and then remove them from the list. :-( Maybe we should change the title of the paragraph in "Geopolitical data for countries geographically located in Asia". However now the article is on my watchlist. Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 06:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Administratime term

Alessandro57 reverted my correction of a mistranslation in the article about Corsica. I had replaced the meaningless expression "territorial collectivity" with the meaningful term "region". Alessandro reverted my correction claiming that it is an "administratime term", whatever that means. "Collectivity" means 1. The quality or condition of being collective. 2. The people considered as a body or whole. So "territorial collectivity" must mean "territorial quality or condition of being collective" or else "territorial people considered as a body". Neither expression makes any sense, even if we admit that it is an "administratime term", since it isn't an "administratime term" in the English language. Banderswipe (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Banderswipe, and thanks for writing. You can read here that the term is not meaningless, and that cannot be translated with region. Actually here at wikipedia it is quite normal to translate administrative terms from foreign languages into English. To comfort you I can tell you that "collettività territoriale" does not make much sense even in Italian (my mother tongue), yet it has been translated so on Italian wikipedia. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 05:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

President of South Tyrol

Hello Alessandro, thank you for letting me know about my edit to South Tyrol, I was not aware. Do you think that other instances of Governor should be changed to President . Furthermore, should the article List of governors of South Tyrol be renamed as the Italian equivalent does indeed favour Presidente. I would be interested to hear your opinion before make by any such changes. Many thanks, Vesuvio14 (talk) 13:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Modification of Corsica page

Unauthorized modification and propagation of false information on the Corsica page. Please stop editing the page with your fake information. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sxmi (talk • contribs) 11:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Spanish Steps

Alessandro

You removed a paragraph that I added to the article on the Spanish Steps about the Maserati being driven down the steps on what appeared to be the grounds that this is a common occurrence. If so why not leave my addition in place and preface with with "Since they were invented cars have occasionally been driven by accident or intent down the steps. One of the most notable incidents was the ....."

John

Hallo John, thanks for writing. The problem is that compared to the three-hundred-year history of the monument the episode you describe is not notable. As mentioned, only during the last ten years the descent of a car, SUV, motorcycle. etc. has happened at least three to four other times. Sometime one makes a mistake, sometime someone else wants to pull a stunt; a few steps are damaged, then they are repaired, and the incident is forgotten. I removed your contribution according to a wikipedia policy named WP:RECENT. And if I hadn't done it, someone else would have done it a week or two later. This happens because your addition is not encyclopedic, and goes against the WP:RECENT policy. Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 06:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Zurich

The correct spelling of Zurich in the English language does not include an umlaut. Please refrain from further vandalizing the article or you will be reported. 190.193.5.188 (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I protected the article in the pre-editwar version. Please take note of Talk:Zürich. --Leyo 00:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Cesi family

Sorry Alessandro but didn't you see that there was a draft page. I created the link, but then they moved the draft page to me. You have done an automatic translation. Now we have to integrate even if there are things that are inaccurate in the corresponding article in Italian. Best regards Peter39c (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough

I confused myself believing Hadrian made it a Municipium rather than a Colonia. The fact that it was settled by Italic peoples it's mentioned by Appian, it's also in Julian Bennnet's biography of Trajan, in Emilio Gabba's studies on Italic emigration, and in Knapp studies on Iberia. You can find the sources here: Italica#History. This is why Italica has that name and it's also the reason why we can trace Trajan's and Hadrian's family roots back to Tuder (Todi) and Hadria(Atri), their families moved from these places to Italica.Barjimoa (talk) 06:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

BTW can you also keep an eye on the mention of Italica as a municipium made up of Italic settlers. It's universally accepted scolarship, mentioned by both the Ancients and the modern authors, and has been there for quite some time but one user keeps removing the information, this same user has removed a couple sources about Trajan's family which were there some months ago and now are gone. In fact i believed i had corrected this other user regarding the Municipium, not you. Barjimoa (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy new era

Bishzilla and all her socks wish you a happy new Jurassic era! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 16:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC).

Discussion

There is currently a discussion at [3] regarding an issue which may interest you. Best regards, —Cote d'Azur (talk) 08:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Great work on Pizza dolce di Beridde. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 03:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, thank you for the edit at the Leonardo da Vinci page, can you do the same with the pages of Christopher Columbus and Marco Polo ? 62.18.17.45 (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It is clearly just a matter of definition. For some, the Romans were also Italians, others equate nationality with statehood. In Italian historiography, there is a consensus that the formation of the Italian nation began at the turn of the 11th to 12th century, so those who lived during the Renaissance are Italian. Due to that, I don't think that Marco Polo can be defined Italian, Venetian is correct. About Colombo, there is no doubt that he can be defined Italian (since there is now consensus that he was born in Genoa). Alex2006 (talk) 09:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

elogium (literary genre)

Hi. What they said on the RM page is incorrect. En.wp does not require a standalone article for a subject to exist in the real universe. See also WP:DABMENTION and WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. If the Latin elogium is mentioned and sourced on any literary page, for example on eulogy then, those two guidelines come into force and the Star Trek episode clearly fails to capture the second criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. So just find elogium or add it, and create the redirect with hashtag REDIRECT square brackets. Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 08:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hallo @In ictu oculi: and thanks for your kind message, but I still don't understand. :-( The elogium is a literary text in Latin verses hung like an inscription on a statue of the deceased. There are many sources about it, so it deserves its own article. I also think it is the primary topic for this word (clearly the writers of the TV show took a word that sounded good from a Latin vocabulary and used it), which is why I wanted to move the Star Trek episode first.

What do you suggest me to do? Write the article under Elogium (literary genre), add a sentence or two about elogium in the article on eulogy, create there a link to the new article and then ask for two moves (move away Star Trek from Elogium and move in the new article) being this primary topic? Thanks a lot, Alex2006 (talk) 10:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)