Alisonkeay

Initial section

DO not think it will accept my Book Version from Reprint as basically the same as stated

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OKAY Added Wakefield but Cite error: There are Green bicycle Case. UK Reprint

22 November 2012

Hi. I am trying to correct my references regarding the green bicycle case.

A book I am using is basically the same as Donahue's but mine is The green bicycle case by H.R.Wakefield (1930s publication) reprinted by Reprint Co.Uk.

(keeping local history alive!!)

please explain how to add this to the references section

thanks ALISON — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisonkeay (talk • contribs) 16:37, 22 November 2012‎

You need a references section with {{reflist}}, as below - David Biddulph (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

References

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Discussion of references

This is the text that you are going to verify with a reference.

==References== TEST MINE; eferences==

• Donahue, Bill (2007). "The Green Bicycle Murder". Bicycling (114): 66–75. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
• Marjoribanks, Edward (1989). Famous Trials of Marshall Hall. Penguin. pp. 329–342. ISBN 0-14-011556-0.

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Referencing

You asked a question at WP:NCHQ, but you didn't answer the subsequent question, which has now been archived at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive/2012/November#closing tags. It still isn't clear what source you are referring to in the numerous places where you are quoting "name Keay". Did you get round to reading WP:Referencing for beginners?? If not, you ought to do so. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC) ---

HI. fOUND your referencing section at top of page. The numerous places where you quote "Keay" is myself. I have tried to understand referencing for beginners. (I do not think my computer will go to User talk..... Emails okay. My case is the green bicycle case. I am editing what is there or trying to by Donahue. My information is basically the same as his Green Bicycle Case and Green bicycle murder W.East. Plus I have newspaper cuttings from the time and original trial statements from National Archives. This case starts in 1919. Never satisfactorily resolved. Hope you get this I understand this then inbetween Donahue kept putting his name so I tried to "copy".

Bringing in new information alison keay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisonkeay (talk • contribs) 13:18, 18 November 2012‎

The relevant Wikipedia policy is that of verifiability. It is important that a reader can check the references. You'll see that the existing references to Donahue's book quote the page number for each relevant passage, and it would be good for you to do the same where you are using Wakefield's book as a reference. Where you are using a newspaper as a reference it isn't really good enough to quote just a year of publication; if a reader wants to check he ought to know the actual date of publication. If you are wanting to use a newspaper or book as the reference for the various places where you currently have "name Keay", then you need to replace the latter words by the details for the relevant book or newspaper. You have added a new section labelled "MY REFERENCES", but if you want to use any of the sources there as references you need to include references to them in <ref></ref> tags against the text that relies on that source as a reference. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, referencing yourself is not acceptable on Wikipedia, we ask you to use reliably published material and cite it directly. If you are taking information from newspaper clips and other sources then you need to cite these directly. --Errant ^(chat!) 09:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Alison, there is a discussion at talk:Green Bicycle Case suggesting that the page is reverted to a state prior to August because the quality of your edits i.e. your huge usage or referring to yourself which means nothing. Every single instance where you have entered <ref>ref keay</ref> needs to be replaced by <ref>Donaghue (or whoever) p. xx</ref> so everyone knows what the source is. NtheP (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, please go to Talk:Green Bicycle Case#Revert back to 26 July? and clarify your intentions so we can discuss and help fix it. It looks like you're trying to improve the article but the changes you've made don't make sense. Please join the discussion and explain. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

New material at the foot of the page

You got confused when questions and answers were floating around near the contents box. The normal practice on talk pages is that new topics go at the foot of the page (as new sections). Replies to existing text follow the text to which you want to reply, indented by an appropriate number of semi-colons. Each contribution on a talk page should be signed, either by using the "signature & timestamp" icon in the edit bar above the edit window or by typing 4 tildes (~~~~). - David Biddulph (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

How to use talk pages

Hello. Please note that new threads, that is, sections, go at the bottom of talk pages. New replies within a section go at the bottom of the section. Please read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Still struggling with referencing

I see that you are still struggling with referencing. One point which you may not have picked up is that the {{reflist}} comes after the use of <ref></ref>. You would usually use something like:

... text to be sourced<ref>{{cite book|title=whatever the tile is|author=author's name|date=1930|page=25|...}}</ref> ... and further text ...

===References===

{{reflist}}

and this would display as: ... text to be sourced ... and further text ...

References

There can be a variety of ways of formatting the reference citations, some of which are shown at WP:Citations and links therefrom, but the above is one of the simple ways. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

25 November 2012

Hi. I see you reverted back to Donahue's version. You will have gathered I am a new user. To Explain. I am resident in U.K. I came upon this case through family history researching my family tree. My gguncle Wm K was the architect who drew the plans for the court showing where parts of the bicycle had been thrown. HE lived at GAULBY where Bella Wright was going to visit her uncle George Measures. I used to live near here and so know the area.

I have been researching this case for a number of years now and have been researching all the books beginning with Wendy East, The green bicycle murder and H.R.Wakefield's Green bicycle case. I realised I knew the area where I learnt to drive and so I started investigating. Beginning with Bella Wright's birth and death certificate and searching on the Internet. I realised a lot of articles have been written about it as Donahue had said but a lot of it is incorrect.

The evidence is mostly Circumstantial Evidence against Light, things do not fit into thes story. Light told many LIES. When arrested by Sup H.Taylor atCheltenham, he first DENIED having a green bicycle. But was proved wrong by the four cycle agents when the bicycle was recovered from the canal and they found the bicycle number which was traced back to Light.

The time factor also varies in all the articles. So I tried to go back as far as possible into the archives.

I always try to begin at the beginning instead of half way as I did the Birth Certificate and death certificat I also visited Leics record Office and found P.C.Alfred Hall's original statement. Also National Archives to obtain original statements of all the witnesses.

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You will note I did not alter any of Donahues writings as they fitted in with mine apart from the CATTLE GRID. In 1919 there were wooden gates. Where the bird landed on the wooden gate.

I feel this case ought to be brought up to date showing the FACTS of the CASE as I have found them.

Therefore, please ADD what I have added. I tried to do a separate article but you wanted me to ADD to the original case by Donahue which I have done.

You will note that I am having trouble referencing. Which I am trying to correct.

D.B. gave me a contents list but I have found beginners guide to reference which I now realise I should have added first then my article.

SO I wish to begin with Bella Wright's birth certificate Archibald Ward. Mary Wright as previously explained but do not know how to add to CONTENTS BOX is this automatic

I realise I have a lot of information but the facts need to go in order as it happened

If you had read all my articles you will see they are explanatory as I have found them

Hope this makes things clearer thanks ALISON

Wikipedia workpages where is this

Green Bicycle Case reverted.

25 November 2012

Hi. I see you reverted back to Donahue's version. You will have gathered I am a new user. To Explain. I am resident in U.K. I came upon this case through family history researching my family tree. My gguncle Wm K was the architect who drew the plans for the court showing where parts of the bicycle had been thrown. HE lived at GAULBY where Bella Wright was going to visit her uncle George Measures. I used to live near here and so know the area.

I have been researching this case for a number of years now and have been researching all the books beginning with Wendy East, The green bicycle murder and H.R.Wakefield's Green bicycle case. I realised I knew the area where I learnt to drive and so I started investigating. Beginning with Bella Wright's birth and death certificate and searching on the Internet. I realised a lot of articles have been written about it as Donahue had said but a lot of it is incorrect.

The evidence is mostly Circumstantial Evidence against Light, things do not fit into thes story. Light told many LIES. When arrested by Sup H.Taylor atCheltenham, he first DENIED having a green bicycle. But was proved wrong by the four cycle agents when the bicycle was recovered from the canal and they found the bicycle number which was traced back to Light.

The time factor also varies in all the articles. So I tried to go back as far as possible into the archives.

I always try to begin at the beginning instead of half way as I did the Birth Certificate and death certificat I also visited Leics record Office and found P.C.Alfred Hall's original statement. Also National Archives to obtain original statements of all the witnesses. =

You will note I did not alter any of Donahues writings as they fitted in with mine apart from the CATTLE GRID. In 1919 there were wooden gates. Where the bird landed on the wooden gate.

I feel this case ought to be brought up to date showing the FACTS of the CASE as I have found them.

Therefore, please ADD what I have added. I tried to do a separate article but you wanted me to ADD to the original case by Donahue which I have done.

You will note that I am having trouble referencing. Which I am trying to correct.

D.B. gave me a contents list but I have found beginners guide to reference which I now realise I should have added first then my article.

SO I wish to begin with Bella Wright's birth certificate Archibald Ward. Mary Wright as previously explained but do not know how to add to CONTENTS BOX is this automatic

I realise I have a lot of information but the facts need to go in order as it happened

If you had read all my articles you will see they are explanatory as I have found them

Hope this makes things clearer thanks ALISON

Wikipedia workpages where is this

Green Bicycle Case reverted.

Please see discussion at Talk:Green Bicycle Case#Revert back to 26 July?. I've reverted Green Bicycle Case, but all of your work can still be recovered by clicking on revisions in the article history. First, however, please discuss at the talk page so other editors can understand the changes you are making and reach consensus.

Please find the solution to the problems with the citations and before placing them in the live article. Other editors also objected to some of the content you added, saying the level of detail is excessive. Use the article talk page to discuss this. Use your sandbox or a workpage to test your edits. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC) Talkback

Please see discussion at Talk:Green Bicycle Case#Revert back to 26 July?. I've reverted Green Bicycle Case, but all of your work can still be recovered by clicking on revisions in the article history. First, however, please discuss at the talk page so other editors can understand the changes you are making and reach consensus.

Please find the solution to the problems with the citations and before placing them in the live article. Other editors also objected to some of the content you added, saying the level of detail is excessive. Use the article talk page to discuss this. Use your sandbox or a workpage to test your edits. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Alison, you've been told twice on this page that new comments go on the bottom of a thread, but you persist in blowing up the formatting, creating garbled headings, and for some reason copy-pasting the comments you are replying to into your comment. Others have made the effort to repair this, but it's getting tiresome, so I'm going to leave it and let you figure it out.
• I asked you twice to discuss the Green Bicycle Case at Talk:Green Bicycle Case#Revert back to 26 July?, not here. There are several other editors collaborating on that page, and the discussion about the article is there, not here.
• I provided a link to click on which explains workpages. It appears that when you are given links to explanatory pages, you do not click on them and do not read them. You don't seem to have read the instructions for citing sources that you have been given several times.
• To conclude, it appears that something is preventing you from reading, understanding, and following instructions. I don't get the sense from your comments that you have even attempted to read the pages you have been given. I and many other Wikipedia editors are willing to make the effort to help you, but eventually that is going to prove pointless. All I can suggest now is that you try again to read the instructions you have been given, and then post short, specific questions about which parts you don't understand. I'm very sorry you're having so much trouble, but now it's your job to try to use the help you have been given. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

9 November 2012 Am I in the right place ? OKAy. So where to begin with this true story. To start with one paragraph here for you to see. I thought with a picture of Bella Wright. Description. Annie Bella Wright born 14July, 1897, Somerby, Leics. Daughter of Mary & Kenus Wright. Died 5 July, 1919. Found dead and the cause of death was a gunshot wound in the head inflicted by a man whose name is unknown. Wilful Murder. I understand to put text first on Sandbank box. And you do not want headings which explains To upload a file it says to leave a page? ALISON

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See Wikipedia:Uploading images#Steps_in_uploading_a_new_image for things that need to be at the English Wikipedia (but no other Wikipedia) due to copyright restrictions (e.g., corporate logos). I recommend the commons:Special:UploadWizard for things that are licensed under CC-BY-SA or a compatible copyright license (e.g., a photograph you took yourself and want to donate). Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The photo came through BUT I used commons special upload Wizard to add photo of Bella Wright of Green Bicycle case I tried to add a description. Am now stuck. And do not know how to link it to this case.

Wiki says they do not have the story. thanks ALISON

It looks like the image (linked here) is at Commons. If you click here you can edit the information. It looks like you need to provide information about the source and license.

(If you want faster help, try commons:Commons:Help desk.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:57, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

HI. I HAVE PROVIDED information about the source of this picture. There is no licence. It is in England Year 1919. Bella Wright was linked to Ronald Light of Green Bicycle Case. It was in Leicester Daily Mercury. dated 8 July, 1919. Author unknown. and COPYRIGHT expired. It will not let me state this help alison 19 Dec. 2012

HI. NOW YOU seem to have accepted this picture of Bella Wright. CAN I have a PAGE TO put her on by herself with added text or should I add it to green bicycle case with Ronald Light???? if so: HOW DO I do this?? thanks ALISON

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Help I put three photos in Bella Wright, P.C.Alfred Hall, Sup. Levi Bowley on Commons upload wizard Found Bella Wright on Commons. Where have the others gone.

I found a list of unsolved murders where? linking page Bella Wright to Ronald Light. Where has this page now gone under.......??

I have edited Bella Wright butalso found a Bella Wright page on Wiki. Correctly I hope

I think I have added P.C.Alfred Hall (the constable who found the body) linked to Bella Wright alison

I uploaded wizard. My own work. Title date created. unknown author unknown. but a English contemporary press photo. Copyright expired.

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I. NOW YOU seem to have accepted this picture of Bella Wright. CAN I have a PAGE TO put her on by herself with added text or should I add it to green bicycle case with Ronald Light???? if so: HOW DO I do this?? thanks ALISON

Category Murder - 1919 ?? alison

Hi Alison,

I apologize for not seeing your reply earlier. I've fixed the template formatting at Commons on that picture so that all your information displays correctly. (It was missing the closing double-curly-braces (the "}}") after the description.)

See WP:FIRST to learn how to create your first article. In general, though, you're probably better off adding information to Green Bicycle Case instead of starting a new one. I'll go add this picture there for you, and you can see what you think of it.

Don't forget that the WP:Help desk is open 24/7 if you have questions. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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