User talk:Allstarecho/Archive 13

Contributions by Month User/Talk User Boxes Launch Pad Contact Contribs Subpages Awards Image Favs Statistics Archive 10 Archive 11 Archive 12 Archive 13 Archive 14 Notes You used the "split to" template perfectly correctly at Ole Miss Rebels baseball; thank you. I have also done a null edit as is standard to note the split, since the "history" tab is where one would expect to find attribution. I realize that you have felt personally targeted by my attention to your contributions, but if you run into questions during cleanup, as you did here, related to my words or actions, please feel free to come by my talk page. I'm happy to explain my reasoning. Even though I know you have felt otherwise, I don't harbor a grudge against you. My interest is in moving forward productively with copyright work, which is where I put the bulk of my Wikipedia time. While I am here, I notice that Equality Mississippi includes words taken directly from your pdf, for which we need official permission to comply with WP:C ("If the material has been previously published, you will need to verify copyright permission through one of our established procedures." via Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials). The source says: Tupelo, Mississippi based American Family Association sent out an email this evening containing a link to pictures it said shows exactly what Kraft Foods is supporting as a sponsor of the 2005 Gay Games in Chicago. The pictures come from the web site ChrisGeary.com. After further investigation, we have come to the conclusion that the AFA stole the pictures from the web site ChrisGeary.com representatives say they weren't informed of the AFA's plan nor did they give, or were ever asked for, permission to use the photos. Equality Mississippi has encouraged ChrisGeary.com to file suit against the AFA for their theft and violation of copyright and says that it will support the suit 100 percent. The article says: The AFA sent out an email that contained a link to pictures on its own web site, pictures the AFA said showed exactly what Kraft Foods was supporting as a sponsor of the 2005 Gay Games in Chicago. The pictures were owned by, and came from, the web site ChrisGeary.com. ChrisGeary.com representatives said they were not informed of the AFA's plan nor did they give, or were ever asked for, permission to use the photos. Equality Mississippi encouraged ChrisGeary.com to file suit against the AFA for their theft and violation of copyright. Equality Mississippi has encouraged ChrisGeary.com to file suit against the AFA for their theft and violation of copyright and says that it will support the suit 100 percent. This is not a copyright violation if you are the copyright holder, and I don't doubt you are. But even though this is a news release, news and press releases are not automatically excluded from copyright, as many issuers do not permit modification and may not allow commercial reproduction. Since this is an archive, I can imagine it would be difficult for you to place a release on the original. Can you e-mail a release under GFDL and CC-BY-CA (as the transition completes tomorrow) to OTRS? (I'm sorry if this feels nit-picky; it's not. It's standard procedure.) If you decide to do so and would like me to expedite it, just let me know that you have and I'll see if I can intercept it. Otherwise, odds are good User:Stifle will get it soon, since he gets the bulk of that mail. :) Also while I'm here, I'll update you on the Lazy Magnolia situation. So far, unfortunately, I have not received response to my request for specific license from them, though I wrote on 06/07/2009 20:58:33. If since you have decided not to retire you wish to speak to them again, please let them know that we do need that specific license in order to use the text. It's an OTRS mandate. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC) OK, I've just sent the permission to OTRS. Additionally, I see I was reverted at Equality Mississippi in regards to the COI template. I put a similar template on the talk page and really don't see the need for the big ugly cluttering one on the actual article. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Thanks. I'm off to look for it. I myself don't use COI templates unless the articles are non-neutral. As long as you're open about your connection at the talk and as long as you work within WP:COI, there's no problems (imo). --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Okay, I've written you back. Your organization's being defunct adds a little trickiness to clearing this, but it's not insurmountable. By the way, please stick with "Moonriddengirl" online. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Check the MySpace page. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC) So noted. Feel free to change back. Form letter thanks should be in your e-mail soon. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC) This handled and a brief sidetrack above, I'm taking your page off my watchlist again. As I said above, if you have any questions, you're welcome to come by my page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Conflict of interest I understand that you have been through a lot on WP lately and I really don't mean to kick you when you are down, but I don't think this should ignored. I added the COI tag to Equality Mississippi because you are the founder of the organisation and also the creator and main editor. The COI tag alerts readers of potential conflicts of interest, which seems to be the case here. You reverted my change with the edit summary "Per discusson on my talk page, many people know I am the founder of this org and the former executive director; the article is also neutral with no boasting or peacock terms - therefore there's no COI issue". First off, I can't find a discussion here that specifically deals with your position with the Equality Mississippi. Secondly, based on edits such as adding your own picture to the article, I suggest that perhaps you are not as removed from the subject as you could be. Similarly, inserting yourself into a list of notable people from Mississippi suggests that there may be an element of self-promotion. I'm not suggesting that Equality Mississippi is not a neutral article or that you yourself may not be notable, but you may have an unintentional bias and should perhaps be more circumspect in your edits involving yourself. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Look in the section just above this one regarding Equality Mississippi. As for the photo of myself, I don't see how that's a COI issue, since I was the founder of the organization and its executive director from day one until the day it closed. Additonally, the image was free and clear to use per my permission. As for adding myself to the notable list of people from Mississippi, again, I don't see a COI issue because, well, I am a notable person from Mississippi. I'm involved even to this day with civil rights issues in the state. When the local news media wants someone to talk to, my phone rings often. When you ask others in the state about who has done what for civil rights in Mississippi, my name is often mentioned. I'm not after some sort of vanity thing here but recognizing my own notability shouldn't be considered a COI. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 22:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC) You may not be the best person to judge whether or not you have a conflict of interest. I have no doubt that the photo was acceptable for use, but was it appropriate, both for the article and from a COI standpoint? The article is about the group -- not about Jody Renaldo -- so I suggest that another editor would not have added it. I think WP:COI gives good advice on how to avoid potential conflicts of interest, but you seem to have chosen to ignore that advice. As far as your notability, I am not debating your assertion that you are notable, but WP:SAL clearly states that entries in lists of people "should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)". It isn't clear to me that either of those is the case (and again, you may not be the best person to judge that). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC) (FYI, that IP has brought the issue to ANI.) – Quadell (talk) 12:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) MfD nomination of Wikipedia:ASE Wikipedia:ASE, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:ASE and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:ASE during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Damiens.rf 13:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC) MfD nomination of Wikipedia:ASTAR Wikipedia:ASTAR, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:ASTAR and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:ASTAR during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Damiens.rf 13:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC) ANI FYI, you've been discussed on an ANI thread (yet again) here. But this time it's not primarily a complaint about you. – Quadell (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC) MfD nomination of P:ASTART P:ASTART, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/P:ASTART and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of P:ASTART during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Damiens.rf 17:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Oops I temporarily blocked you when I noticed some of your edits, but didn't look quite closely enough - they were from early June. I unblocked you again. Sorry about that! I will be more careful in the future. Dcoetzee 18:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Remove the autoblock too please. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 18:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Did that, sorry, I'm new to autoblocks. I actually reviewed more of your history and you've done a great job of very carefully cooperating with the cleanup effort. Dcoetzee 18:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Thanks for realizing and fixing. It is very appreciated. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 18:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Ole Miss Rebels football I realize that you may be busy with everything evidently going nuts at Equality Mississippi, but Ole Miss Rebels football has come due for processing at WP:CP today, and my request for assistance at WikiProject College football has gone unanswered. You seem to have been doing a good job with evaluating issues, and evidently you are interested in the article and knowledgeable at the subject. In addition to the source Frank tagged, there is another listed on the article's talk page. Do you want to take a stab at rewriting this to address these concerns? If not, I'll be happy to take a stab at it, but football is not an area of interest of mine, and I've still got the full plate at today's WP:CP, which means that the cleanup is likely to be hurried and a good bit of material is likely to be lost (not that it can't be rewritten later). Please note that it doesn't matter who added infringement; the template typically used to note that such material has been removed ({{cclean}}) doesn't even have a field to identify that. If you would like to work on it, but don't have time today, I can "consolidate" it to give it a few more days. The typical listing at WP:CP is for a week and a day, but occasionally this is stretched to allow more time. I'll watch here for your response. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC) I'll work on it sometime today. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC) WP:AN/I I'm going to echo Durova's call for more info on your background with Damiens.rf. A link to his deletion rampage (I've been a witness to at least one mysefl) involving you and some diffs from interactions since then would really be helpful. AniMatedraw 19:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC) I've got a lot going on right now from trying to cleanup copyvio articles to dealing with the ANI threads, to dealing with the mutltiple Misc. for Deletions that Damiens.rf did. 3 months of is a long time to go back through and find the diffs but I'll see what I can do. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC) I seem to recall there was an AN/I discussion on the subject, so the AN/I search function should handle it. //roux   19:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Let's start with: accusing me of being a sock image deletion thread image deletion, edit warring, ownership 2008 - has been previously accused of stalking LGBT bias 20:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Perhaps wikistalk will be helpful?  Frank  |  talk  22:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC) Didn't even know that existed. Interesting tool. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 23:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC) There was no consensus Several bands removed from List of nu metal bands were poorly-verified. I've participated in the research of three instances in which bands were found to not be associated with the term. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)) Jones I spent some time on your user-space version of this article, only to find you already created the mainspace one. The original was mostly fine; I did more cleanup in punctuation and formatting than anything else. Feel free to copy stuff over to the official article; if you don't I may do so later. Two main notes: we generally (most often) don't include titles (such as "Dr.") in the text of articles, and we "always" put punctuation before the <ref> tags. ("Always" is in quotes because I'm sure there is at least one instance where that's wrong.)  Frank  |  talk  11:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your time and advice. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 16:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC) Deletion review for Nuvola An editor has asked for a deletion review of Nuvola. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC) Lazy Magnolia Brewing Company Permission has come through, and I have moved it into article space. It may well be the first article we've been able to permit under CC-BY-SA only. I had to create a new template for the purpose. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC) Keyboard Just a note for anyone looking for a real computer keyboard.. you know those old wonderful kind with the loud click-clack sound and awesome tactile feedback where the keys push back to let you know you've actually pressed the key.. often referred to as Mechanical-switch keyboards but are actually Buckling-spring keyboards.. like the ones the old IBM computers came with. About 11 months ago I bought one called an iOne Scorpius. An attempt at the old mechanical style, it's pretty much the only one you can find if you do a general Google search for a mechanical keyboard. Well, mine lasted 10 months before it started felling me.. having to push the numbers 4 and 9 sometimes ten times before it would register.. didn't matter if I used the number pad to the right or the number keys above the letters. The number 6 stopped working altogether. Also the letter R is having the same issue as the numbers 4 and 9 - have to press it several times before it will register. So, I started looking for another mechanical keyboard. Then I found out the actual specifics about those old IBM keyboards! I already knew they were the bad boys of "mechanical" keyboards. Then I found out which one was the best.. the IBM Model M. Then I remembered my local Salvation Army-like thrift store was always getting in old computers and accessories. So I bopped on down there today around 4:15pm CDT. And then I came home with an IBM Model M buckling-spring keyboard.. for 5 bucks and I'm typing on it right now and it's awesome. Mine was made in 1989... 20 years old and still click-clacking it's way through life. I love the hard feedback it gives. There's a sticker on the bottom of them that tells you the model and the month, day and year it was made. Mine was made April 21, 1989. Yes 20 years old and types like a brand new one. The only drawback is that it doesn't have that Windows key between the Ctrl and Alt keys.. but that's no loss for the superbness of this classic mechanical keyboard. So, don't waste $50 and up for those made in China pieces of crap.. recycle.. go to your local whatever thrift store and look for one of the Made In America IBM Model M keyboards. You won't want another keyboard! (or if you're lazy, you can also find the IBM Model M keyboards on eBay going from $20 on up to $120) - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 03:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Thanks I appreciate your good intentions, and your kindness, in deleting that post, but I thought it should remain for the sake of clarity and transparency. After many years here editing gay history I am used to much, much worse. Haiduc (talk) 10:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC) CP listings Hi. Are you interested in revising the articles as they come up at CP, or would you rather I take a stab at them? As long as they're not about football, I'm generally on solid ground. Today's listing includes Old Mississippi State Capitol. I don't know if there are many more on subsequent days or not, as I don't generally look ahead, but I'd be happy to give you a heads up when one comes current. (Not that you have to wait for it to come current. The 7+1 days is standard for admin closure, but it isn't like a deletion debate or something that must remain open, if it can be handled earlier.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Whew, I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the Tocowa, Mississippi article. I didn't realize Old Mississippi State Capitol was tagged since it's not at Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup/Allstarecho. Could you round them all up that are tagged and get them on Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup/Allstarecho so I'll know what's left? I'm going to have to get some sleep here in a few but I'll tackle what I can.. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 18:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I'm not sure what else is coming up, since I didn't tag some of them (Frank tagged this one) and might not recognize them. Tocowa is coming up in a few days. Hmm. Let's see. There's a couple of dozen articles listed for the next 7+1 days, and I don't see anything else that looks likely to be in any way connected--nothing else that seems regionally Mississippi, for instance, or that was listed by anybody that I know has been looking (nothing else tagged by Frank or Quadell, for instance.) There are some articles that I've listed—most of them are relists where people weren't notified. There's nothing else I recognize outside of Tocowa, and I would have noted it in the copyright cleanup, as I did that one, in edit summary. If I encounter any as I go, I'll certainly let you know. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Greek love Somebody's got a bee in their bonnet. Thanks anyway.   Will Beback  talk  18:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC) LGBT Question I'd like to start a new article about a LGBT artist. The only problem is a lot of the press I have on them is in actual magazines. How does one prove notability if a lot of the person's press (40%?) is in actual gay publications/magazines not online press. What would you suggest I do? Thanks. Swancookie (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC) First, determine if the subject is notable per WP:NOTE. That's key. Second, make sure to include as much information about the citation as possible; it is by no means required that sources be online to be deemed reliable. They do have to be reliable sources, though. Fanzines, for example, aren't likely to qualify.  Frank  |  talk  21:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC) When you say artist, do you mean art work or musician? First see Wikipedia:Notability (people). And if you mean musician, see Wikipedia:Notability (music). Then, if you feel the person meets the notability guidelines, feel free to write the article with only the notable and reliable sources you have (see WP:SOURCE) but make sure to read WP:CITE on how to properly include those sources. Additionally, if you have any questions, a good place to get a more robust input would be at WT:LGBT. Happy editing. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 02:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC) I mean musician. I will read through the links now. Thanks so much! Swancookie (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Categories for discussion nomination of Category:LGBT Organizations in Mississippi Category:LGBT Organizations in Mississippi, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 20:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC) I had noticed the Help Wanted sign... So are you applying for DougsTech's old job? ;) -GTBacchus(talk) 01:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC) haha! Not hardly. I didn't say we had too many admins and don't plan on making sure I hit every single Rfa with the same pasted rationale like he does/did. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 01:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC) Oh, good. I don't think we're quite ready for the next installment! :D -GTBacchus(talk) 01:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Self electing groups Hi. Can you reply to my question at the Rfc? Thanks. --Kleinzach 09:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC) I have replied now that I am awake for the day. It's been moved to the Rfc's talk page. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 14:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC) IRC I'm not sure, mate, my skills with IRC is notoriously bad and the setting up and running of the channel was mostly left to Raystorm and Satyr. I suggest you ask them if you want it up and running again. :) We did have a chatroom before that which is here, if you don't want to play with IRC: http://wplgbt.tripod.com/chat.html. Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 23:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC) Then I think Wikipedia's policies have moved on beyond all of us, because we never paid any attention to any naming conventions that I know of. It's all yours. :) Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 11:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Adam Lambert discography Does this mean that he is releasing two albums by the end of the year? One in summer and one in fall? Because it also says at the end of the article, "The untitled album from 19 and RCA is expected for release in the fall." Alex (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Yes, 2 albums. One unofficial on Wilshire Records, and one official by his record label RCA. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 18:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Help I need help. This is getting really insane. I'm so sorry but I have nobody else to turn to. [1] & [2] Swancookie (talk) 01:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Malleus, Connelly and CoM - conduct issues I suggest you reconsider your threat to "bring up" Malleus' comment about William M. Connolley somewhere. MF's comment was based on "I should slow down, and possibly only edit when sober" when admitting that his indef block of ChildofMidnight was "just a touch harsh". If anyone's'conduct needs to be "brought up", it's William M. Connolley's, on 2 grounds - grossly excessive blck, and admission that he did it while drunk. PS when making edits that criticise others, please use informative edit summaries - yours appeared as if it were an innocuous part of a completely different section on MF's Talk page. Your own conduct might come under scrutiny. --Philcha (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC) I could care less about whether or not William's block was appropriate or not. The personal attack is uncalled for and against Wikipedia policy. Additionally, how does an edit summary that says "new", "r" and "+follow up" appear "as if it were an innocuous part of a completely different section on MF's Talk page" ?? That one certainly confuses me. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 05:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC) In a conflict you have to deal with the aggressor first, not the protestor. In this case the problem was caused by William M. Connolley, and if I were directly involved I'd have told him to apologise humbly all round or face an inquest at ANI. If you deal with protestors, however vehement, before you deal with the aggressor, you get a pattern known as "getting your retaliation in first". Your "new" comment appeared beside an existing an innocuous section heading, check the diff. All you need to do is copy your new section heading into the summary box, takes under a second. --Philcha (talk) 06:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Apparently, numerous admins weighing in on the CoM block thread at ANI don't have an issue with the block or CoM surely would have been unblocked by now. To be honest, CoM and the editor he was uncivil towards, should both be blocked as they have both been uncivil to each other. However, again, I have no concern of CoM or the other editor or their related blocks or lack of. The personal attack drew my attention. As a courtesy, I politely asked the attacker to refactor or redact the attack. Instead, I was met with smartassness and defensiveness. And apparently others think personal attacks, as long as they are funny, are OK on Wikipedia, so I've moved along. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 06:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC) An admin who imposes an indef block while drunk deserves all he gets - and if the admission of drunkeness was a joke (of which there is no sign), IMO that is even worse because an indef block should never be a matter for joking. --Philcha (talk) 06:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Indeed, an admin shouldn't be editing while drunk. I totally agree. That doesn't negate the incivility by CoM and the other editor nor does it negate the personal attack by MF. MF would have been better off starting an unblock discussion at AN/I instead of wasting the space to attack the blocking admin. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 06:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC) We can finish this at ANI. --Philcha (talk) 07:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC) ANI Hi. It's totally your call, but could you please avoid starting multiple new ANI threads over every "uncivil" comment? There are plenty of admins watching CoM et al., and we want to avoid as much drama as possible. Just something to consider. Cheers. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC) And therein lies the problem.. too many watching, none doing anything - except William, and he gets met with being called a drunk. Anyway, I've moved on. Thanks for the note. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 20:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC) To all editors dealing with article Jessicka/Hullballoo's aggressive edits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xtian1313#To_all_editors_dealing_with_article_Jessicka.2FHullballoo.27s_aggressive_edits Xtian1313 (talk) 20:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Please note that Xtian has been posting variations on this garbage for months and has uniformly had his complaints rejected (for example, at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive193#COI_User:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz). It's the height of chutzpah for Xtian to edit articles directly relating to him and then insist that users whose edits he disapproves of are biased or have COIs. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Actually I have to call you out on this one as well Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz, it seems, again, that you are wikibullying them. I see very little edit history of them editing articles related to them and those two edits would seem acceptable. -- Banjeboi 23:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Request for mediation not accepted A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party was not accepted and has been delisted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite 02:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC) This message delivered by MediationBot, an automated bot account operated by the Mediation Committee to perform case management. If you have questions about this bot, please contact the Mediation Committee directly. Umm, thanks I guess.. I didn't even know Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos was going on or that I was a party to it... - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 02:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC) Twinkle & Shortcut links Hi Glad that Twinkle is working for you again. I was offline for a bit so I didn't reply before it apparently resolved itself. Next time you hav problems with it, please have a look into the error console or the javascript console (depends on your browser where you find it) and look for any errors it reports. For something completely different: Are you particularly attached to the shortcut links you have to this page, T:ASE and P:ASE? As you know they are actually cross-namespace redirects, and even if some pseudo-namespaces are somewhat accepted, none of them go to user or user talk space, so those two are pretty unusual, and should actually be deleted. Cheers, Amalthea 10:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC) RFC moved Discussion moved to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_page_indexing. Gigs (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC) RFC/User page indexing To answer your edit summary, it is very similar to Gigs, but not completely. I edit conflicted with him when I attempted to save mine. I copy/saved my statement then endorsed his. When I attempted to post mine again, I highlighted the sample text and accidentally hit ctrl-c instead of ctrl-v, so I had to start all over again. Mine does, however, go a little more specific with why internal pages need not be indexed, and I mentioned BLP specifically, as it's an important point. لennavecia 19:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC) Gotcha. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 19:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC) Michael Jackson Regarding images and sound samples: MJ as a featured article went through a heavy amount of scrutiny to include non-free content. For the purpose of encyclopedic analysis of an artist's music, sound samples are quite essential, even by the editors who specialize in WP:NFCC who are involved in reviewing music-related content. Janet Jackson, AC/DC, Alice in Chains, Phil Collins, John Frusciante, R.E.M. are other (among numerous) articles that feature several audio samples. Also, the article currently has one non-free image: the screen shot of "Scream". The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 22:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC) One sound sample would suffice.. no need in 3 of them. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 22:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC) I disagree. As with every music-related article, different audio samples are used to highlight different techniques used by the musician, particularly the evolution of an artists music over the course of their career. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC) As with all non-free content, it should be made very clear in the text why such content is included. If a reliable source says that a sound byte is integral to understanding Jackson's influence or effect, it should be included. If it does not say so, it should either be removed or the text amended to reflect it. A thorough discussion regarding how much nonfree content to use in a single article is always useful. I have no doubt that it was already had during FAC or its preparation, and that it will continue to be had. --Moni3 (talk) 00:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Template:Rename Thanks for letting me know about the speedy deletion of Template:Rename; sounds like it's worth killing now :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 10:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC) P:ASE and T:ASE WP:CROSS is only an essay, and what it claims as consensus looks wrong, either because it is unclear or consensus has changed. Cross-namespace redirects can be freely used (within reason) for certain namespaces, and they are exempt from CSD R2, but redirects to user space don't have that exemption. Even if speedy deletion is declined, the redirects are unlikely to be kept – Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:ASTAR, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:ZN and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:ASE were all deleted, and they weren't in the main namespace. snigbrook (talk) 00:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC) That was wikilaywering when you recreated them. Of course they are now on MFD, see here. Garion96 (talk) 08:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Re: Digital clock I haven't logged in in a while so I didn't see your message, but I recently updated the digiclock template I made and it now supports a time zone offset as you and Cubs197 had suggested. It should be more useful now. • Anakin (talk) 03:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC) RfD nomination of Wikipedia:Notability (uglyness) I have nominated Wikipedia:Notability (uglyness) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. ╟─TreasuryTag►cabinet─╢ 17:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Transmarch image I'm not sure if you read my reply, but the image contains multiple geometry which does not qualify for PD ineligible. ZooFari 22:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC) It only contains 1 simple geometric shape, a star. Everything else is text. Per {{PD-textlogo}}, this logo is not copyrightable because it ..only consists of typefaces, individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes.. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 22:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC) It contains text, a fixed star with a stroke, a background, and 3 colors. Seems too picky but something ineligible would basically be text. But if you insist, the image falls under your responsibility. ZooFari 22:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Hullaballo saga continues/ Any word whether he is a blocked editor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doktor_Wilhelm#I_still_need_help_with_this He just going to continue harassing if he is not reprimanded. Swancookie (talk) 18:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Might be a case of homophobia. = ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Benjiboi#Hullaballo_saga_continues.2F_Any_word_whether_he_is_a_blocked_editor.3F Swancookie (talk) 14:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC) The Free State of Jones Currently a redirect this should be an article. The Free State of Jones (film) is in production as well. I was skimming through the WSJ when I thought of you when seeing "Rebelling Against the Rebels: Deep in Mississippi’s piney woods, Confederate deserters fought a different sort of war". -- Banjeboi 11:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Didn't know about the book, thanks! I'm the one that created the The Free State of Jones (film) stub. Due to the past drama with my articles, I'm not creating any new articles for Wikipedia, but I do agree that it should have its own article instead of a redirect to a blurb about it. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 17:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC) You may not have known about this account But did you create User:ASE? I not, then that user may be an impersonater.Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents! 18:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yes, it's my WP:Doppleganger. See User talk:T'Shael#Dopple. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 18:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC) It might be useful to have a little statement somewhere on your page saying something along the lines of "I own the following doppelganger account(s): User:ASE..." That could help alleviate any confusion of impersonation such as in this case (or even headoff concerns of sockpuppetry). LadyofShalott 18:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Was just looking at the templates for doing that. The account was just created about 5 minutes ago. Of course, anyone with a keen eye will notice the shortcut box at the top of this page too. ;] - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 18:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)