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This is the archive of messages posted on Anne Delong's talk page, April to June, 2018.
Administrators' newsletter – April 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).
Administrator changes
331dot • Cordless Larry • ClueBot NG
Gogo Dodo • Pb30 • Sebastiankessel • Seicer • SoLando
Guideline and policy news
- Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
- Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
- The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
- The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.
Technical news
- There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.
Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.
Miscellaneous
- A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
- The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.
Please comment on Talk:Luke Bryan
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ISBN formatting and page numbering in references
Please use the {{ISBN}} template when adding ISBNs to articles.
Also, you frequently reference page ranges like "p. 99–", which may be acceptable on rare occasions, but it appears to be your usual style. Please reference a finite page or page range. Here is a sample edit that shows both of these problems.
Thanks for your constructive edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Dear Jonesey95: When adding book references to Wikipedia articles, I almost always use the RefTag Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books. This is a tool that is used by hundreds of users. It's recommended on the Wikipedia:Citing sources page. I presume that the tool is formatting ISBN numbers correctly. They look okay to me. If not, it would be better to talk to the tool's programmer, or bring up the problem on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), and have it fixed for everyone instead of asking each user to change every reference manually.
The tool puts those little hyphens after the page numbers too, but if they don't have a purpose I will try to remember to erase them.—Anne Delong (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. For what it's worth, when these types of ISBN links show up on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/ISBN errors page (scroll down until you see "Special:BookSources" in the text), which I work on cleaning up every week, well over 90% (and possibly 100% in some weeks) of the "Special:BookSources" links are due to your edits. Thank you for identifying the possible source of these errors; I will take a look at the tool. If other people are using, maybe your normal editing process is somehow different from theirs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm. I just tried this Reftag tool, which is very nice. I pasted in a Google Books URL, I entered a page number, and box #3 showed me this:
<ref name="Sholokhov2015">{{cite book|author=Mikhail Sholokhov|title=And Quiet Flows the Don|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yH7vCgAAQBAJ|date=5 November 2015|publisher=Lulu Press, Inc|isbn=978-1-329-67066-2|page=54}}</ref>.
- Hmm. I just tried this Reftag tool, which is very nice. I pasted in a Google Books URL, I entered a page number, and box #3 showed me this:
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- That citation code looks nothing like the code that you are pasting into Wikipedia. Are you copying your references from the box labeled "3: Below is the complete reference tag. Copy and paste it into the Wikipedia article."? If not, please try copying from box #3, and your results should look much better.
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- One note: It looks like you may have the "plain wikicode" button selected. That appears to produce this text that needs to be cleaned up (although I was unable to get it to produce "p. 54–"). On the English Wikipedia, the "cite book" code should work better in almost every article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I routinely copy the text from area #3, and yes, I recently switched to using the "plain wikicode" format. Because I have been editing a lot of Canadian topics, I sometimes use the same references in the French Wikipedia, where the cite template does not work. However, I disagree that the resulting display on the page looks better with the cite template - I prefer the format produced by the plain wikicode, with the date after the source rather than before.
- I copied the URL from this Google Book entry into the tool and posted the two RefTag formats plus one with the ISBN template into a sandbox. Then I hovered my mouse pointer over the ISBN number text generated by the three versions to compare the underlying links. They appear to be identical, so whatever process is generating your list of errors is (1) missing the ones created by the cite template, perhaps because it's checking the source code before the template is rendered, and (2) reporting a non-existent problem because the code generated is not in error.
- To save you from wasting time, I will switch to using the cite template in the English WP for now, but if there really is something wrong with the ISBN numbers (I don't see it), this is just masking the problem. Either the RefTag template needs to be adjusted (both cite template and wikicode), or your error-reporting process needs work.—Anne Delong (talk) 03:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. The resulting code appears to work identically, but the {{ISBN}} template uses error-checking to ensure that the listed ISBN is valid. The Special:BookSources link does not check the ISBN for validity. I will continue to fix them as I encounter them. If you can figure out the page range problem, that would be great. I was unable to reproduce it. Jonesey95 (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- The RefTag is intended to be used by entering the URL of a Google Book entry for a specific page, for example, this one. If you type this URL into the template, you will see the fields fill in automatically, including the page number with hyphen. (Occasionally Google can't figure out the page number; then you get a blank field and have to add the number yourself.) You can see how much time this saves over typing in the information manually. Perhaps the tool developer was trying to indicate that there was no way to know if the information was spread over more than one page. In any case, it appears to be built-in, but I can take these out when I notice them.—Anne Delong (talk) 03:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. The resulting code appears to work identically, but the {{ISBN}} template uses error-checking to ensure that the listed ISBN is valid. The Special:BookSources link does not check the ISBN for validity. I will continue to fix them as I encounter them. If you can figure out the page range problem, that would be great. I was unable to reproduce it. Jonesey95 (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- To save you from wasting time, I will switch to using the cite template in the English WP for now, but if there really is something wrong with the ISBN numbers (I don't see it), this is just masking the problem. Either the RefTag template needs to be adjusted (both cite template and wikicode), or your error-reporting process needs work.—Anne Delong (talk) 03:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Bill Shorten
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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
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Help please
Sorry to bother you. I have a requested move at Talk:List_of_common_misconceptions#Requested_move_20_April_2018. Could you please comment on my move request? Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 08:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Brian Everlasting. I didn't see your request before the thread was closed. However, I wouldn't have been in favour of the move because the two terms are not interchangeable - "misconception" is a more specific term than "error". In your move request you didn't really say in what way the title was a problem, leaving other editors to guess.—Anne Delong (talk) 12:10, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Kate Mara
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Four years of adminship
- Thanks, Chris troutman. Time flies when you're having fun!—Anne Delong (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Junípero Serra
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).
Administrator changes
- None
- Chochopk • Coffee • Gryffindor • Jimp • Knowledge Seeker • Lankiveil • Peridon • Rjd0060
Guideline and policy news
- The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
- A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.
Technical news
- AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new
equals_to_anyfunction can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash. - When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
- The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
- There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.
- AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new
Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee is seeking additional clerks to help with the arbitration process.
Obituaries
- Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.
Please comment on Talk:Channel NewsAsia
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Channel NewsAsia. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Brewery name convention
I'm contacting you as an active contributor on brewery articles and/or member of WikiProject Beer. There is some discussion going on as to how we should name our brewery articles. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Beer#Change_brewery_titles? and Talk:Greene_King_Brewery#Requested_move_10_May_2018. If you are interested, please comment. SilkTork (talk)
Please comment on Talk:Nextdoor
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Please comment on Talk:Raw Power
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Please comment on Talk:Communist Party of China
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Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).
Administrator changes
- None
- Al Ameer son • AliveFreeHappy • Cenarium • Lupo • MichaelBillington
Guideline and policy news
- Following a successful request for comment, administrators are now able to add and remove editors to the "event coordinator" group. Users in the event coordinator group have the ability to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit. Users will no longer need to be in the "account creator" group if they are in the event coordinator group.
- Following an AN discussion, all pages with content related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, are now under indefinite general sanctions.
Technical news
- IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
- The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
- There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
- It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.
Arbitration
- A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.
Miscellaneous
- In early May, an unusually high level of failed login attempts was observed. The WMF has stated that this was an "external effort to gain unauthorized access to random accounts". Under Wikipedia policy, administrators are required to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.
Please comment on Talk:WUPV
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GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)Please comment on Wikipedia talk:TemplateStyles
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Please comment on Talk:Lawrence Liang
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Discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?
You are invited to join the discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:23, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Amazing China
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