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This is the third archive of my current talk page. It starts from the beginning 2009 and continues until the of the year. Where possible, I have tried to provide replies and/or initial comments I made about the subjects being talked about, to try and provide a more thorough conversation. This means that some of the content in some discussions will have actually appeared on other users' talk pages as opposed to mine, but there's no point archiving stuff if you don't know what it's about afterwards!
Latest comment: 15 years ago14 comments3 people in discussion
Your edit: (Rm underscores from Wikilinks.)
Why?
They work with or without; it's easier to create them with (by copying and pasting). I don't see the point of your edit but I'd rather ask than just revert it as a silly edit. ;) MarkyMarkD (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, the vast majority of Wikilinks do not have things like underscores in them. I don't know whether they are allowed to have them or not, I just remove them as they look messy and get in the way, not least because they don't need to be there. You say they work with or without, but they underscores do display, such as: Arriva_Southern_Counties. Or course, if I pipe the link (as you had done) it will appear as if it is normal. (Nowiki: [[Arriva_Southern_Counties|it will appear as if it is normal]].) I hope you can see my reasoning!! Arriva436talk/contribs18:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, no. As you say, each of the links involved was piped, so the underscores don't appear. So it makes no difference if they are there or not! It does rather seem like a petty and pointless edit. The only time I copy and paste links from an http: address (i.e. with the underscores) is if it's complicated and that often/normally means it has # location references in it as well. I would always pipe links like that.
By the way, I see that you have a lot of posts in the Guildford area. My grandmother lived in Guildford throughout my childhood, and I was very interested in the buses in that area like the RF which seemed to always be in one of the fleet's yards. (Can't remember which, now, but probably Safeguard). I am in Malta on holiday at the moment so there are many interesting buses ... and a depressing number of new or newish Chinese ones which are far less interesting.
I looked at your article London Buses route S1. For starters, I'm interested that you consider an individual bus-route sufficiently notable to deserve its own article. I'm sure that this could be debated - it may already have been - but I doubt most would agree.
Anyway, having got past that hurdle, as we are on the subject of wikilinking, the article is a nightmare! MOS Wikipedia:Wikilinks#Overlinking_and_underlinking says that wikilinking the same term more than once is bad. I agree. But the article has the same terms wikilinked many, many times (or did, till I removed them this evening). Excessive wikilinking is ugly - far uglier than invisible underscoring within piped links. And the dates are all wikilinked - urgh! Date wikilinking is deprecated for the same reason - it's ugly and distracting - and even more so, because the links are of no value. Just because a bus route got changed in the summer of 1998 (or whenever) doesn't lead any sensible reader to want to know what "Summer" is about or what else happened in 1998.
I'm not trying to get into a tit-for-tat edit war. I've only looked at one section of that article in detail (there were so many edits and I'm getting hassled to get off the PC) but it certainly demonstrates that there are many issues on any side of a discussion regarding wikilinking.
Just because they are piped doesn't mean they are treated differently to other links. The underscores don't display, but I still wouldn't leave them in, just as I wouldn't in a normal link. You may say it seems "like a petty and pointless edit", but as I see it it was a tidy up and general standardisation, similar to what you say you do on your talk page. Petty maybe, but it clears the mess up. Anyway, now you've copied and pasted the links on the Arriva SC and I cleared it up there's not much more we can do.
My edits in Guildford are related to the rather well publicised loss of the Guildford Shuttle, now due to return.
Regarding the route S1 article, there's loads like it. See List of bus routes in London, where most routes have an article. It has been debated many times and the articles have survived. You may wish to see WP:WikiProject London Transport which supports all of the articles, where everyone agrees on their notability. Hence the specific infobox.
Don't forget some of my articles were started quite a while ago now, before linking dates was frowned upon so much and "Lightbot" was invented. If I had the time I would go through articles looking for things, but I'm busy doing other things and monitoring the 1,521 pages on my watchlist. That's why Wikipedia is so great, different editors do different things. I have no removed some more links from the S1 article.
You say that excessive linking is uglier than piped links with underscores, well, of course it is as piped links are..... piped! But under the face of the article things are just the same.
Of course you are not trying to get in an edit war!! This sort of discussion is the complete opposite, and what should be happening. I cannot disagree that linking styles are important, and agree that some things needed sorting out on route S1. Arriva436talk/contribs14:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's great to have a constructive discussion - thanks! The "edit war" comments arose because I've had some run-ins in the past with people who wouldn't accept any edits to "their" page as justified, however justifiable they in fact were.
And the extra S1 edits are great too! Thanks for saving me the effort of making them.
Regarding notability of individual bus routes, it's a very "London" sort of thing, wouldn't you agree? I can't imagine anyone possibly imagining that the 101 from Gillingham to Maidstone (which passes my house) is notable in the slightest, and the logic (IMHO) extrapolates equally to the S1 or any other TfL route.
Well no Wikipedia page can be "theirs" as such, just because you start it doesn't mean you own it!! Unfortunately some people get a bit protective!! I think the S1 page is OK now.
I do agree it's a London thing. The buses are a bit different there anyway. One argument it that most London routes have long histories and can be associated with the same route, some even from the 1920s and 30s!! The 101 is the one that's got the brand new Enviro400s isn't it??!! Lucky you, seeing as the previous buses weren't exactly old!
The new Enviro400s are very nice indeed - very comfortable to travel on, and very good looking buses indeed. Hardly any of the Medway area buses are old apart from the rather strange yellow-liveried ones - I don't understand the concept given that whenever I see them, they are running on normal services rather than schools. Perhaps it's because they don't meet the standards of "Operations Overdrive" so they are like unwanted children? MarkyMarkD (talk) 22:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Other parts of Arriva must be envious! Well the concept is for them to be on schools, but if they aren't its another matter!! Arriva SC have been getting a few more new buses recently and with the obvious transfers resulting - so we need to keep an eye on the fleet section. Arriva436talk/contribs17:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Your most recent edit here doesn't make sense. It talks about Dartford having various routes, and getting some more. Fine. Then the new bit talks about routes formally operated from here ... what? Where does that come from or fit into the previous section? And "the next local Kent Thameside depot" doesn't make sense either. I appreciate you are only reinstating what the bot removed, but I was pretty happy with the bot removing what was actually nonsense, at least in how it's worded! MarkyMarkD (talk) 21:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Mick. I agree it's an interesting site - and I hadn't noticed it on the buses despite seeing some of them every day of my life!
Arriva make a few annoying "mistakes" though - including large PDF files as part of their site, rather than making efficient-to-download versions (whether PDF or HTML) - and they don't provide any fare information about particular journies which is rubbish. Given that the 101 falls between two areas' fare ranges (Medway and Maidstone) the only ticket covering the whole lot is their South East ticket which isn't particularly cheap. It's a shame they don't seem to make more effort to make fare information available.
The fare structure is a bit rubbish too in any case. If you travel one stop - central Chatham to Chatham Railway Station - it costs 50p. If you travel two stops it costs £1.50. That's a ridiculous differential - apparently explained by the 50p being a special discounted far to encourage interchange from bus to train and vice versa (or something like that). I'd suggest that £1.50 for two stops is way over the top, rather than that 50p for one stop is a particular bargain. I think they're also falling into the common trap of bus operators, of believing that it's fair to set fares based on the route mileage even when the bus does a "round the houses" route. MarkyMarkD (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for cleaning up and putting the fleetlist I added into a table. I intend to add several more fleetlists onto pages, so could you look at them when I add them. So far I have not added any more, but will do soon. See you next time Arriva436. --Dennisman (talk) 11:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah sure, feel free to notify me if you want me to check anything once you've done some stuff. I'm sure you'll get used to it!! Also, if you are wondering where your other comments are from this talk page I've archived them! Click "2008" in the box above. Arriva436talk/contribs12:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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Congestion charge suspended for Christmas and New Year
The Mayor has unveiled the winning designs for the 21st century Routemaster
East Thames Buses could go private to improve services
Campaign against illegal cabs intensifies as Christmas party season begins
Hybrid buses fleet to reach 56 by early 2009
TfL encourage freight operators for more efficient and safer driving through coaching and profiling
Extra funding granted to upgrade part of the London Overground
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New White City bus station opened
London Overground celebrates 1 year
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Metrobus's Croydon branch won an award for good services, whist Arriva's Beddington Farm bus garage won the bus garage award
Route X26 doubles frequency
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TfL's Lost Property Office donated toys to The Salvation Army to bring joy to hundreds of children
A 19 year old becomes the youngest ever London taxi driver and to learn The Knowledge
LB Wandsworth enforces pavement obstructions (?)
Consultation sought on extension of London Buses route S3
Beckton gets a new bus station
The mayor has outlined a major multi-billion 10 year business and transport plan
Major engineering works begin on part of the London Overground
Hybrid buses were exhibitioned at Birmingham's National Exhibition Centre
Woolwich Town Centre gets a major boost in its regeneration
An RMT strike occurs on the London Underground
In many places in London boroughs, there are more places providing oyster cards
Numerous transport schemes scrapped and jobs cut
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Work of art displayed on tube map and at Gloucester Road
Motorbikes are now allowed to use bus lanes
A new social networking site has launched called Together for London.org with hopes to improve London life
Passengers were able to to question the Victoria Line upgrade
Over 100 taxis transported sick children to Disneyland
Shepherd's Bush station on the Hammersmith & City Line renamed to Shepherd's Bush Market
Wood Lane station opened
The TfL Penalty fare has risen to £50 on most modes of transport
Freight operators awarded for helping shape freight in London
Delay into inquiry in Dagenham Dock extension cancellation
More wide aisle gates at stations.
Shepherd's Bush Central Line station reopened
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I wasn't able to find the green buses on the Costessey route. Hopefully these are good to use. Tell me on my talk page please if they have worked. --Dennisman (talk) 13:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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I have added a fleet summary showing how many of each vehicle is owned by this company. Is it good? Reply to my talk page. --Dennisman (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that fleet summary is excellent. I've fixed a couple of links, part apart from that it was fine. I think a fleet summary is of much more use that a fleetlist, as a large fleet list pointlessly gives too much info that can be found elsewhere. A summary is much more useful! Arriva436talk/contribs20:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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On the Preston Bus page,which we both have edited responsibly, there seems to be several user ID's making vandal edits. I will give the following User IDs. Dennisman (talk) 16:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. I have noted with interest your recent move of New Enterprise routes 781 and 784 to Green Line routes 781 and 784. I was wondering whether you could clarify this? You said that "These routes have always been part of the Green Line network". Well, strictly no, they haven't. The article says that in 2005, Green Line dropped the services. This meant that all traces of Green Line branding went, and New Enterprise took over. The only thing that linked it to GL was the website linked to the service, which is hardly a lot seeing how rarely that site is updated. You also said that "due to organizational changes, New Enterprise Coaches no longer operates these services." Yes, Chalwell are operating them, totally separate, and not under the Green Line name. I'd like to hear your opinions! Arriva436talk/contribs20:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Reading your message, I see that you're quite right that routes 781 and 784 were not ALWAYS part of the Green Line network, as they actually originated from Invictaway and was later amalgamated with the Green Line network in the early 90s (then numbered 980-985). I stand corrected there! However, they were still part of the Green Line network and remained so almost certainly a few years after New Enterprise took over operation, just as the X1 and X10 did when Stephensons took over - hence the change to "Green Line routes 781 and 784".
After checking the Green Line website it appears they now have removed the service from their website, so it's also correct that Green Line have no association with the Chalkwell operation. If you feel this is still in any way misleading then perhaps a more appropriate and current title for this article could be "London commuter routes 781 and 784". Please feel free to change this if that is the case.
I must mention at this point that I was actually a driver for the 781 from the Green Line days, right the way through the New Enterprise tenure until last week when we ran out the very last coaches (16th January). I am still an Arriva employee (been nearly 6 years now), and since we no longer run the 781/784 I've now been relocated to Dartford Garage. Despite this, I do still maintain the New Enterprise Coaches website on their behalf (as no one at Tonbridge knows how to maintain the thing!!!). A lot of the info on the page has been passed to me by a fellow driver who has been in the company for over 20 years and has been on the commuter services since the Invictaway days, so I know much of what's there is rather accurate. Of course, my fellow colleagues could misinform me of certain facts, but I do check before I publish them... usually!
I do feel it is important though to pass on the facts and indeed to word them correctly and appropriately, so thank you for raising the issue. Faithless78 (talk) 23:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd have thought that they left the timetables on the Green Line site after NE took over as it was still with Arriva. It appears Chalkwell are completely separate, so I have changed the route box template back with "New Enterprise 781 and 784 (Past Routes)". The problem is is that there is no real suitable name that has no issues with it! "London commuter routes 781 and 784" was the old name, but it is still quite bland.
Clearly, you are the expert, having driven for the company and on those routes!! No doubt about that! As you say it is important though to pass on the facts. What we should decide it whether to leave the article about "when it was" (about New Enterprise), or whether to move it on (about Chalkwell). The problem is, some random article about a coach service run by an operator that doesn't even have its own article probably isn't notable!! Any ideas...? Arriva436talk/contribs20:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it's important to keep the article current, so perhaps associating the article with Chalkwell will accommodate that. However, the route's history I feel is just as important. I think the whole "London Commuter" thing denotes the type of service that it is without tying it up with just one company, since the route has changed hands on a number of occasions and is likely to do so again since this is the norm for bus and coach operations these days.
The Green Line thing however placed emphasis on the route's history and the type of service that it's evolved from... although Invictaway may have been a better bet. The only problem with that is the fact that Invictaway ran a collection of services at the time with the 9XX prefix, and the 7XX prefix only really came in after a call from TfL to bring the route numbering in line with other commuter and Home Counties services in 2004.
Personally I wouldn't associate the routes with a company in the title. It might look bland, but it leaves the article manageable when the need to update it arises. I'll leave that choice with you I think Faithless78 (talk) 00:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Now you've said it like that I've changed my mind. Yes, I do think that "London Commuter routes..." would be a better name. Then we could keep it up to date without associating it to a particular operator too much. I would keep the emphasis on the operators in the article, and make it clear what happened when. I will let you move the page (and make any other changes). Arriva436talk/contribs19:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Poor title?
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I need your opinion. "Ipswich Rapid Transit" only exists as a title in online articles that have sourced Wikipedia for their information. I know nothing about First Eastern Counties but it appears to me that this article is really about Superoute 66 and, if the article is to be kept, it should be renamed and edited to reflect this. It is notable and unique enough to retain, but, as you have noted, it should be researched and referenced. I think this is something that can be boldy done without much discussion, but I am consulting you for a second opinion as to whether we should just treat this as a bus route with a partial busway - not a rapid transit system - which would therefore not be listed on the Wikipedia:WikiProject buses/UK bus operator quality drive/status table. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree that that is probably a good idea. Superoute 66 is the only guideway I know about in Ipswich so they must be the same. It could be improved with more refs and background. I would say that the "Superoute 66" is more a "scheme" than a route (the number bus 66 would be the route) so I would leave it in the status table. I will let you do the move/any changes you want to make. Arriva436talk/contribs18:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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Please don't remove red links from lists, just because they are red! Wikipedia is a wiki, and red links have been a deliberate feature of wiki software from the very early days of wikis. They are intended to encourage the creation of new articles -- which was the principal motivation for creating the list in the first place. See WP:REDLINK for more on this topic, particularly the bit which says that academic studies short that red links are the driver for Wikipedia's growth.
If you want to get rid of the red links, perhaps you should consider creating articles in question? Bus stations seem to me to be just as article-worthy as tube stations. -- The Anome (talk) 00:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
But vast lists of red links look messy and are uneeded. One or two may help "encourage the creation of articles", but an entire page of them just looks messy and puts me off. WP:RED says that "articles should not have red links for topics that are unlikely ever to have articles". Well I really doubt that all of the bus stations will suddenly have articles in the near future. Also, you said "Bus stations seem to me to be just as article-worthy as tube stations", so I have relinked and moved to have lower case article names such as "X railway station" per WP:TITLE#Lowercase second and subsequent words in titles. Arriva436talk/contribs18:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC).
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Yes, I agree with you now that I've thought about it. There's no reason for it not to have either a picture or an infobox. I think at the back of my mind was "there's nowhere to put date disbanded, therefore this is an infobox for current operators, therefore it should go". But that isn't really logical. As for the pic, I was using it to illustrate ABW, so thought it oughtn't to be the main pic for two articles, which probably isn't logical either! Anyways, now you know what I was thinking :)
Well I thought that it needed a picture, and seeing as all the ones we have are of NW&W it wasn't a problem. I just put an appropriate message saying where the bus is now. I wasn't sure whether to put the infobox in but I thought why not? I have juts added a new option to Template:Infobox Bus transit for "defunct" which I've added to NW&W. I'm not sure defunct is quite the right word, can you think of any others, baring in mind it will be for all operators? Arriva436talk/contribs21:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Good idea, never considered that! No, I can't think of any better word than "defunct". The only other one I thought of was "ceased", but if anything that's probably less suitable. It seems to have more of a connotation of the operations ceasing, rather than just the entity that runs them being superseded. "Defunct", on the other hand, seems appropriate enough for either. Quackdave (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Yes! That parameter has been needed for a long time. There are former bus companies that use the Template:Infobox Company which uses "defunct" (which I think is the right word). I have previously not changed them because of this. Thank you. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. As above, I think that defunct is probably the best word. Maybe some other bus operators can have the more specific infobox now. I was surprised added defunct worked but I don't seem to have caused any side effect yet! Arriva436talk/contribs22:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
UK Bus Routes
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I have created a quality drive similar to the operator drive, based on some of the points I have previously raised regarding bus routes in the UK. Your input and participation would be greatly welcomed! Find the page at WP:UKBRQDRIVE. Thanks! jenuk1985 (talk) 03:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Also a quick note to say, that while it appears that I have a vendetta against bus route articles, I don't. Personally I'd love to see articles for all my local routes in Bromsgrove, its just not in the remit of Wikipedia. I'm just trying to achieve a level of consistency. jenuk1985 (talk) 03:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah sure. I'm very busy at the moment so maybe I'll get back to you properly in a couple of weeks time. You definitely don't have a vendetta against them, of course most aren't notable!! Arriva436talk/contribs17:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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New bus designs are put on display in the London Transport Museum
East London Line phase 2 gets go-ahead, completing orbirail proposal
Chesham to get 2 trains per hour from London in 2011 following consultation
Taxi fare increased by 3.4% to meet rising costs
Blackheath Hill and Shooters Hill sections of the A2 to undergo eight week improvement scheme to reduce maintenance and improve facilities for pedestrians and cyclists.
Spring poems are released on the Underground
Following a planned upgrade, London Overground will see an increased number of trains per hour to 8.
Bus route 263 extended from Archway to Holloway
Possible suspension of the third phase of the London Low Emission Zone for those vehicles affected in October next year
January 2009
Safety campaign for motorcycle users driven forward with two-day summit
Winter Wanders talk place around many London walks
Tube maps have been changed to make it easier for people with disabilities, bicyles, luggage and other things with clarifications on the step-free map. A new map is also introduced showing toilet facilities.
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Funding is to be given to improve Exhibition Road in London's museum quarter
New bus route 228 between Central Middlesex Hospital and Maida Hill via White City is introducd
The Docklands Light Railway extension to Woolwich Arsenal opens
£50 penalty fares are introduced
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Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
If the reason you tried to change the infobox is because you need two logos for Transdev London, why don't you create two infoboxes, one for each service. The information seems to be nicely divided in the article. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
It was yes! Thanks for the idea, but having thought about it, I've decided it wouldn't work. It would disrupt the layout too much and displace the older logos and other pictures. I'm happy with the result anyway! Arriva436talk/contribs18:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
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Absolutely no problem at all, mate. Anything else you need (especially SVG wise), just drop me a line and I'll get right on it. Cheers. :) — neuro(talk)(review)19:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The Thames boat services are to be made easier with for example, more integration, a new ferry service from London Bridge to Canary Wharf, extending Tower Pier and acceptence of Oyster Pay as you go.
The London Overground's Stratford platforms will open later this month
Taxi fares in London increase by 3.4%
A bird photo competition, with partnership between tfl and RSPB, is launched
March 2009
£9.2 billion is to be used to deliver many transport improvements in the tube, Crossrail, DLR, East London Line and Cycle Hire
A £4.2 million programme is launched to help promote sustainable travel in the London Borough of Richmond
Southern Gas Networks has been prosecuted for breaking rules on street works
Various service changes will occur from late April until December to facilitate upgrade work on London Overground
Two weeks were left for Community Cycling Fund for London to apply for grants help promote cycling
Major work on A406 to facilitate gas works for three months
New artwork for tube map cover
Consultation begins on London Permit Scheme
A map is launched showing Coach Parking in central London
A bridge on Dalston Lane will be replaced in late May to help with the running of the East London Line Extension
A spring campaign is launched to warn drivers to watch out for motorcyclists
From December, Circle Line services will extend to Hammersmith
£1 million used to help set up car club package for residents as essentially a car-for-hire service within five minutes walk over next two years. Cars will have designated spots where they can be used on a pay-as-you-go service.
New bus lane in the centre of Mitcham speeds up journeys
The revamped Tower Gateway station reopens early
Blackfriars LU station closes for 2 years for Thameslink Programme upgrades. The National Rail stations remains open.
February 2009
Operation Quash tackles crime on commonly shared routes in the boroughs of Barnet, Hillingdon and Harrow
Tim O' Toole, Managing Director of the London Underground steps down
At Stratford station, an exhibition of art, the Stratford Hoard, has been extended to summer
A theatre troupe called New You See Me Now You Don't is to tour schools from March four 4 months to increase awareness of road safety
Arrests by the Met and TfL lead to a crackdown on illegal cabs
A new system is launched allowing freight drivers to compare collisions, emissions, fuel use and fines and charges against other operators
A digital map which shows speed limits has been released by TfL for download
Operation Ridgeway, an attempt to combat antisocial behavior and pickpocketing on London buses leads to over 1000 arrests
As a result of the "Travel Smarter Sutton" scheme, cycling in that area has increased by 50%
Stansted Express sells Visitor Oyster cards
TfL invites manufacturers to look at new bus model
Please note that events are arranged from newest at the top to oldest at the bottom.
Member News
No members joined or left this project during the the period between this release and the last one
There are currently 70 members!
This WikiProject would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
General
On the assessment side, there are still a lot of articles that need to be assessed for their quality and their importance to this project. Interest has now dipped in this area. Have we reached our peak or are there more out there?
Good luck to the people involved with to all the people involved in getting Edgar Speyer from good article status to featured article status. Well done for this achievement.
Please can people become more involved with other areas of the portal. The portal still seems to be only gaining contributions on the selected article and picture areas but now this area seems to be losing interest.
As usual, this issue is in the current format and is still awaiting suggestions for other improvements. The two newest DYK suggestions were added below. As a bonus if you add your DYK to the portal, it will also be added to the newsletter next time.
Please provide any suggestions for any improvements to this newsletter and any comments or anything else to include in the next issue. Please can ideas be given for a better layout on this newsletter. Feedback is much appreciated.
This newsletter is also looking for another editor to collaborate with since the departure of Unisouth. I am currently going to be busier until June so could i please ask that during the start of May, someone could create the may newsletter? If anyone is up for the task, pleasee use my talk page and i will give the sources of information for this issue (including some new sources thanks to a recent change mentioned above).
Newsletters for the time being will be launched during the months.
This edition would not be here if not for the feedback, support from many people and the paper's subscribers and I would like to thank you all.
Various transport stub templates were merged into one although this has resulted in some duplication
The list of London Underground stations is currently under a featured review (at the time of writing)
Template:London Buses was proposed with deletion but this was kept.
Did you know
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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Do you know if it's the same company as Nu-Venture or not? I seem to remember that NV is also part of Kent County Council? Crookesmoor (talk) 20:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Latest comment: 15 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Hi, I would appreciate your advice. I recently created Wilmslow Road bus corridor and have long been considering making articles on the routes themselves. I'm not sure, however, how notable these routes are, and whether they warrant their own article. I think the most notable Manchester bus route is probably the 192 service, but still, I'm not sure. What do you think? Majorlytalk21:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry for the late reply! Wilmslow Road bus corridor is a good article and is notable. I'm not sure creating separate articles on the routes will be particularly helpful if it only duplicates info, but if there's history to the routes then it should be OK. I'd say the 42 is probably notable.
As for other routes, the 192 is definitely notable. At the end of the day, as long as you can ref it well and it's reasonably well known, then I'd say it should be fine! Arriva436talk/contribs17:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Work to build the new Crossrail station at Tottenham Court Road begins on 15 May; rebuilding work will cost over £1 billion and the new ticket hall will be six times the size of the existing one
The replacement of all trains on the Piccadilly line by 2014 is announced
A flyover bridge at Canning Town is due to be put in place in late May as part of the DLR extension along the former North London Line from Canning Town to Stratford
April 2009
The Thames boat services are to be made easier with for example, more integration, a new ferry service from London Bridge to Canary Wharf, extending Tower Pier and acceptence of Oyster Pay as you go.
The London Overground's Stratford platforms will open later this month
Taxi fares in London increase by 3.4%
A bird photo competition, with partnership between tfl and RSPB, is launched
March 2009
£9.2 billion is to be used to deliver many transport improvements in the tube, Crossrail, DLR, East London Line and Cycle Hire
A £4.2 million programme is launched to help promote sustainable travel in the London Borough of Richmond
Southern Gas Networks has been prosecuted for breaking rules on street works
Various service changes will occur from late April until December to facilitate upgrade work on London Overground
Two weeks were left for Community Cycling Fund for London to apply for grants help promote cycling
Major work on A406 to facilitate gas works for three months
New artwork for tube map cover
Consultation begins on London Permit Scheme
A map is launched showing Coach Parking in central London
A bridge on Dalston Lane will be replaced in late May to help with the running of the East London Line Extension
A spring campaign is launched to warn drivers to watch out for motorcyclists
From December, Circle Line services will extend to Hammersmith
£1 million used to help set up car club package for residents as essentially a car-for-hire service within five minutes walk over next two years. Cars will have designated spots where they can be used on a pay-as-you-go service.
New bus lane in the centre of Mitcham speeds up journeys
The revamped Tower Gateway station reopens early
Blackfriars LU station closes for 2 years for Thameslink Programme upgrades. The National Rail stations remains open.
February 2009
Operation Quash tackles crime on commonly shared routes in the boroughs of Barnet, Hillingdon and Harrow
Tim O' Toole, Managing Director of the London Underground steps down
At Stratford station, an exhibition of art, the Stratford Hoard, has been extended to summer
A theatre troupe called New You See Me Now You Don't is to tour schools from March four 4 months to increase awareness of road safety
Arrests by the Met and TfL lead to a crackdown on illegal cabs
A new system is launched allowing freight drivers to compare collisions, emissions, fuel use and fines and charges against other operators
A digital map which shows speed limits has been released by TfL for download
Operation Ridgeway, an attempt to combat antisocial behavior and pickpocketing on London buses leads to over 1000 arrests
As a result of the "Travel Smarter Sutton" scheme, cycling in that area has increased by 50%
Stansted Express sells Visitor Oyster cards
TfL invites manufacturers to look at new bus model
Please note that events are arranged from newest at the top to oldest at the bottom.
Member News
Jsp3970 has left the project and no new members have joined this month.
There are currently 69 members!
This WikiProject would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
General
There is a proposal for a bot to tag all articles in London-related categories as falling under WikiProject London or WikiProject London Transport. The upside of this is that it will give us a much better idea of how many articles we have and help to promote the two projects to people who may not be aware of them. The downside is that it will greatly increase the number of unassessed articles; the manual tagging of articles in Category:Tourist attractions in London to test the viability of the proposal added over 2,000 articles to WP:LONDON and over 50 articles to WP:LT. Please comment on the proposal and on which categories should be included if it goes ahead here.
Even aside from those pages that will be added by the bot, there are still a lot of articles that need to be assessed for their quality and their importance to this project. It's easy and quick; please get involved if you can!
Template:Nearest tube has recently been proposed for deletion. Those who use this template – or those who don't find it useful – are invited to join the discussion.
It's been said before, but please can people become more involved with other areas of the portal. The portal still seems to be only gaining contributions on the selected article and picture areas but even this area seems to be losing interest. If anyone has any suggestions about how to raise the profile of the portal and/or increase participation, please do suggest it!
The new Article Alerts system means that things that happen to articles such as nominations for deletions, featured status etc are more easily reported. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport/Article alerts although for some of the articles, these would have to be seen at Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Article alerts or for rail transport related articles, most would have to be checked out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Article alerts. By watchlisting the appropriate Alert pages, you can see right away when relevant articles are nominated at GAC/FAC, proposed for deletion etcetera, making it much easier to keep track of any proposed changes that may affect articles that interest you. Transport articles sometimes suffer because many of those who comment at Articles for Deletion, Featured Article Candidates etc aren't necessarily aware of what's significant and what isn't; although discussions can sometimes look daunting, please don't be afraid to get involved if you have an opinion on an article that's being discussed.
As Simply South is busy, this is my first time as editor, so if there are any mistakes feel free to correct them or point them out to me. As usual, this issue is in the current format and is still awaiting suggestions for other improvements. The two newest DYK suggestions were added below. As a bonus if you add your DYK to the portal, it will also be added to the newsletter next time.
Please provide any suggestions for any improvements to this newsletter and any comments or anything else to include in the next issue. Please can ideas be given for a better layout on this newsletter. Feedback is much appreciated.
This newsletter is also looking for another editor to collaborate with since the departure of Unisouth. If anyone's able to, please contact Simply South to discuss it.
This edition would not be here if not for the feedback, support from many people and the paper's subscribers and I would like to thank you all.
Various transport stub templates were merged into one although this has resulted in some duplication
The list of London Underground stations is currently under a featured review (at the time of writing)
Template:London Buses was proposed with deletion but this was kept.
Did you know
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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As Simply South is busy, I've stepped in for this one; this is my first time, so feel free to fix any mistakes or let me know of anything I've missed. – iridescent18:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
TFL launches search for new, free London morning newspaper to replace The Metro which ends its contract on March 2010.
Victoria Coach Station has become the first organisation in the London transport sector to achieve the Government's Customer Service Excellence (CSE) standard award.
The construction of Crossrail has begun at Canary Wharf station.
The Mayor of London has started a cycle revolution; all are welcome to join the events hosted to reduce impact on the environment.
New pedestrian crossings at Marble Arch, have allowed a "more mobile service" around the station.
Crime is down by 8% on the tube since last year.
Work to build the new Crossrail station at Tottenham Court Road begins on 15 May; rebuilding work will cost over £1 billion and the new ticket hall will be six times the size of the existing one
The replacement of all trains on the Piccadilly line by 2014 is announced
A flyover bridge at Canning Town is due to be put in place in late May as part of the DLR extension along the former North London Line from Canning Town to Stratford
April 2009
The Thames boat services are to be made easier with for example, more integration, a new ferry service from London Bridge to Canary Wharf, extending Tower Pier and acceptance of Oyster Pay as you go.
The London Overground's Stratford platforms will open later this month
Taxi fares in London increase by 3.4%
A bird photo competition, with partnership between tfl and RSPB, is launched
March 2009
£9.2 billion is to be used to deliver many transport improvements in the tube, Crossrail, DLR, East London Line and Cycle Hire
A £4.2 million programme is launched to help promote sustainable travel in the London Borough of Richmond
Southern Gas Networks has been prosecuted for breaking rules on street works
Various service changes will occur from late April until December to facilitate upgrade work on London Overground
Two weeks were left for Community Cycling Fund for London to apply for grants help promote cycling
Major work on A406 to facilitate gas works for three months
New artwork for tube map cover
Consultation begins on London Permit Scheme
A map is launched showing Coach Parking in central London
A bridge on Dalston Lane will be replaced in late May to help with the running of the East London Line Extension
A spring campaign is launched to warn drivers to watch out for motorcyclists
From December, Circle Line services will extend to Hammersmith
£1 million used to help set up car club package for residents as essentially a car-for-hire service within five minutes walk over next two years. Cars will have designated spots where they can be used on a pay-as-you-go service.
New bus lane in the centre of Mitcham speeds up journeys
The revamped Tower Gateway station reopens early
Blackfriars LU station closes for 2 years for Thameslink Programme upgrades. The National Rail stations remains open.
Member News
User:L07ChLeo3 has changed his name to Crest of London. So as to date no members have left or joined the project.
There are currently 69 members!
This WikiProject would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
General
So to begin with good luck and well done to the people who keep attaining Featured article or list status to articles such as Richmond Bridge, London we would all like to thank you for doing one of the hardest jobs on the project and another thank you to all that helped out with this month's metro, it has been hard since Unisouth's departure but we have all kept it together by working hard. I would also like to give a special thanks to iridescent and DavidCane for writing the Great Northern, Piccadilly and Brompton Railway and Battersea Bridge articles in the amazing way that they did. Together those two have contributed to >70 per cent of the GA/FA articles in this Project so a large well done to those two!
The List of London Underground stations article is on featured review so please if you have anything that could improve the article, please add it.
It has been mentioned in previous editions but we really need people to get involved in other areas of the portal, the interest rate in it has dropped rapidly so if you know anyone interested in London Transport that isn't already a member please ask them to get involved in the portal. For the future of this Project.
The new system of Article Alerts has become a big hit, providing easy and quick access to information and developments on articles such as deletion and nominations to FA/FL status as well as many others so if you ever need information you can simply add the relevant page to your watchlist and wait for the updates to come in.
And finally talk pages may seem like a daunting prospect but still it is a good idea to voice your opinion once in a while. Who knows? Your single (relevant) comment could save an article from deletion or even boost it's chances of being promoted to FA/FL status.
As usual all suggestions to improving the metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
This is my first time on the job, I have decided to fill the empty job space since Unisouth's departure, so as with standard procedure feel free to correct any mistakes and update any old links if necessary. We are still looking for improvements to the formats so please provide any suggestions for any improvements to this newsletter and any comments or anything else to include in the next issue. Please can ideas be given for a better layout on this newsletter. Feedback is highly appreciated.
This edition would not be here if not for the feedback, support from many people and the paper's subscribers and I would like to thank you all.
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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I've decided to fill in the empty job vacancy for the Metro for this month, feel free to correct any mistakes or add any missing information. Cheers! Crest of London(T|C|A)22:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Latest comment: 15 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion
Hello there. I just wanted to say something about NSL Buses.
I changed the File:419 bus.jpg image with the File:493 bus.jpg. And it looks like you reverted it back. My reason why I did this is because The 493 bus on the image looks too far away than the 419 one. However, I agree with you that the 493 picture is nicer, but as you see, there's a street and a white car next to it, which makes the pic not look very nice.
However, if you want the 493 picture at the top, its OK. Whatever you want =)
I don't mind what you did, it would have just been nicer if you said in the edit summary why you did it. Unfortuatley, neither image is perfect. While the Pointer Dart on the 419 is closer to the camera, the bus shelter and darkness in the background draw your eyes away from it. Whereas, even though it is further away, the Enviro200 Dart on the 493 is in much sunnier conditions so your eyes get drawn towards it. Arriva436talk/contribs19:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Sadly not me, I've not been to London since last year. I've not actually seen a picture of a bus with any form of NSL branding yet either. Arriva436talk/contribs21:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
In fact, NSL is currently rebranding their buses. This means that we'll see the new NSL logos on their buses in the future. --AimalCool (talk) 16:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I'm intrigued.
What is your interest/connection with Bowvayne? We seem to have a mutual interest in this guy and buses!
Regards
Tim
Some time ago, I was looking at bus related stuff (most likely your contributions to Compass Bus) and saw a link to Bowvayne. I looked at the article, and because it had some improvement tags on it, I put it on my watchlist. That is how, when someone vandalised it, I knew about it. Arriva436talk/contribs10:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
July Metro
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Wrexham & Shropshire has become the first train operating company to sell Oyster cards to passengers before they arrive in London.
Art on the on the Underground, London Underground's art programme, has won an international award for culture on public transport systems.
Transport for London have announced a five month improvement scheme for the A316 Richmond Circus road junction, with increased accessability for cyclists and pedestrians.
The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson has tested London's first air-conditioned tube train.
New superhero artwork has been added to Charing Cross and Embankment tube stations.
Due to the ongoing tube strike, and the lack of Chiltern services, over 70,000 football supporters were without transport after the World Cup qualifier at Wembley Stadium.
Union RMT announced a 48 hour tube strike, which began at 18:59 on Tuesday 9 June.
The new Three Mills Lock has opened in Bromley-by-Bow.
Transport for London has announced that six bus manufacturers have qualified to bid for the contract to design and build the new bus for London.
To aid overseas travellers, London Underground has upgraded all touch screen ticket machines to 17 different languages.
May 2009
TFL launches search for new, free London morning newspaper to replace The Metro which ends its contract on March 2010.
Victoria Coach Station has become the first organisation in the London transport sector to achieve the Government's Customer Service Excellence (CSE) standard award.
The construction of Crossrail has begun at Canary Wharf station.
The Mayor of London has started a cycle revolution; all are welcome to join the events hosted to reduce impact on the environment.
New pedestrian crossings at Marble Arch, have allowed a "more mobile service" around the station.
Crime is down by 8% on the tube since last year.
Work to build the new Crossrail station at Tottenham Court Road begins on 15 May; rebuilding work will cost over £1 billion and the new ticket hall will be six times the size of the existing one
The replacement of all trains on the Piccadilly line by 2014 is announced
A flyover bridge at Canning Town is due to be put in place in late May as part of the DLR extension along the former North London Line from Canning Town to Stratford
April 2009
The Thames boat services are to be made easier with for example, more integration, a new ferry service from London Bridge to Canary Wharf, extending Tower Pier and acceptance of Oyster Pay as you go.
The London Overground's Stratford platforms will open later this month
Taxi fares in London increase by 3.4%
A bird photo competition, with partnership between tfl and RSPB, is launched
Member News
We have two new members! We welcome Trainzamania and Cɧrɩs, who both joined on 2 June.
There are currently 71 members!
This WikiProject would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
General
It has certainly been a fantastic month for featured articles, with no less than three articles being promoted in June, Albert Bridge, London, Battersea Bridge and Great Northern, Piccadilly and Brompton Railway. We would like to thank all the editors who worked so hard to get these articles where they are now. Richmond Bridge, London, which was promoted in May, was featured on the main page on 17 June. Chelsea Bridge has been nominated for featured status- I invite you to review or comment on the article here.
Concluding the news on featured articles, the List of London Underground stations article went through another featured list review. Fortunately, the list was able to keep its featured status.
The project gained two new members in June, Cɧrɩs and Trainzamania, bringing our total membership up to 71. We'll soon make it to 100!
As usual all suggestions to improving the metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
This month's selected image
From the editor
This is my first time editing the newsletter, so I hope everything's alright. I've added a bit more colour to the assessment section so that GA and FA/FL stand out more. Any further improvements are welcome, so please comment on what could be done better. Suggestions for alterations to the layout of the newsletter will be appreciated.
I would like to thank all the members of the WikiProject who helped create this issue and all those who have contributed to the articles which have made featured status in the past month.
...that Chelsea Bridge was little used at night when it first opened, because of its owners' policy of only turning the lighting on if Queen Victoria was spending the night in London?
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Latest comment: 15 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Oops! I didn't realise that 'ridership' in the template was for daily ridership, the figure of 1.5 million is for the whole of last year, and is from their website. It is alright to divide it by 365 to get a mean daily figure of 4,110? Thanks for flagging it up! Perhaps the template could be made clearer so it refers specifically to "daily ridership"? Huangcjz (talk) 13:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I've just realised I completely forgot about this, so apologies! I have now made some changes to the infobox, by adding a new parameter for annual ridership, and putting a hidden comment in the documentation for "ridership" to show it means "daily ridership". I have also made appropriate changes to the Stephensons edit. Arriva436talk/contribs09:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
East London (Bow Garage)
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion
Hi, I am new to this and sorry if you didn't agree with what I have put. I have found out today from someone who works for East London that the Enviro400 is still based at West Ham and didn't transfer to Bow, this is also on the ELBG website latest fleet list. Regard, Dagenham Bus Spotter. 21:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagenhambusspotter (talk • contribs)
Hi! Don't worry, I didn't disagree with what you put. It's just that stuff like that (such as asking questions relating to the article etc), should be put on the talk page, rather than the article. Also, when using talk pages, such as this one, remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes like this ~~~~. Arriva436talk/contribs10:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
JP Travel and general notability of smaller bus operators
Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hello, there is a discussion at Talk:JP Travel which you may be interested in regarding notability of smaller bus operators. (This is a copy and paste message, I have included you in this as you make bus related contributions) Jeni(talk)18:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The Metropolitan - Issue 16
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
48 hour strike disrupts main line services from Liverpool Street
The Victoria Underground station upgrade has received planning approval from the Secretary of State for Transport
East Thames Buses to be sold by TfL to London General Transport Services Limited
The First 2009 Stock train starts carrying passengers in service on the Victoria line
Visitors to Piccadilly Circus will be able to see Tube service updates on the Coca-Cola advertising board
Boris Johnson unveils the first of the new London Overground trains
June 2009
Wrexham & Shropshire has become the first train operating company to sell Oyster cards to passengers before they arrive in London.
Art on the on the Underground, London Underground's art programme, has won an international award for culture on public transport systems.
Transport for London have announced a five month improvement scheme for the A316 Richmond Circus road junction, with increased accessability for cyclists and pedestrians.
The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson has tested London's first air-conditioned tube train.
New superhero artwork has been added to Charing Cross and Embankment tube stations.
Due to the ongoing tube strike, and the lack of Chiltern services, over 70,000 football supporters were without transport after the World Cup qualifier at Wembley Stadium.
Union RMT announced a 48 hour tube strike, which began at 18:59 on Tuesday 9 June.
The new Three Mills Lock has opened in Bromley-by-Bow.
Transport for London has announced that six bus manufacturers have qualified to bid for the contract to design and build the new bus for London.
To aid overseas travellers, London Underground has upgraded all touch screen ticket machines to 17 different languages.
This WikiProject would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
General
After the surge of new articles in June, July has been a quieter month with just one new featured article, Chelsea Bridge (well done again Iridescent), and one new good article, Charles Pearson. We therefore, currently have 10 Featured Articles, 1 Featured List and 10 Good Articles in the Project. Unfortunately, one former Good Article, Docklands Light Railway has been demoted to B-class. We have 110 B-class articles and it would nice to see some of those improved and taken through the Good Article review process - so come on guys, get those books out and get fact checking.
As usual all suggestions to improving the metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
...that Chelsea Bridge was little used at night when it first opened, because of its owners' policy of only turning the lighting on if Queen Victoria was spending the night in London?
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Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Re your edit summary here, it can be obvious only to someone who knows the route or looks it up on a route map (outside Wikipedia). As the dab page Weymouth shows, Wikipedia has multiple articles about specific transportation points in Weymouth, so Weymouth, Dorset is not necessarily the most appropriate article. Thanks for disambiguating the link. --Una Smith (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I was being sarcastic given that the article name is "First Hampshire & Dorset", there aren't any other "Weymouth"s in the country and it was in a table listing towns as opposed to transport points. Also the Weymouth, Dorset article mentions the said bus service.
I've had to update the timetable anyway as some parts were out of date (it was seemingly reinstated a couple of months ago after a period of absence, following an "incident" where one user removed lots of info from loads of articles without any consensus! Arriva436talk/contribs16:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
September Metro
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Introduction of pink Oyster validators may mean cheaper fares for people avoiding Zone 1 if they touch in Midway through their journey, at some key interchanges.
TfL will launch Countdown, a new sevice which shows when and where the next bus is for mobile and internet users.
August
More bendy buses removed
Upminster tube depot celebrates 50 years
New cameras to ease traffic
New Travel Support card launched for people with certain disabilities
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After the surge of new articles in June, July has been a quieter month with just one new featured article, Chelsea Bridge (well done again Iridescent), and one new good article, Charles Pearson. We therefore, currently have 10 Featured Articles, 1 Featured List and 10 Good Articles although two of thse are under reassessment. Unfortunately, one former Good Article, Docklands Light Railway was demoted to B-class in July and in early August this was followed by Jean Charles de Menezes. We have 90 B-class articles and it would nice to see some of those improved as suggested before.
However, overall assessment of articles appears to have dropped with 43% of articles now unasssessed for quality. Also, 35% of articles have no assessment or importance rating at all. This is quite an increase whereas it was only 1/4 at the start of the year.
On the Portal, the only active areas seem to be the voting and changing of the selected pictures and articles. The transport news seems to be infrequently updated with the most up-to-date news being in this newsletter!
As usual all suggestions to improving the Metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
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From the editor
August, despite some significant changes appears to have been a quiet month. I hope this is still interesting\informative.
Thanks to DavidCane and Huangcjz for some corrections.
A major move request was done by MRSC, who has recently returned, at Talk:London Paddington station#Requested move. The move involves the format of names of many London stations. Please see the discussion.
Mattdickinson brought up an interesting point on correcting Live departure boards
...that Chelsea Bridge was little used at night when it first opened, because of its owners' policy of only turning the lighting on if Queen Victoria was spending the night in London?
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I can't see the difference in scope you refer to to be honest. Both cover the same period, but one is an article bringing together all the sub-articles, the other is just a dab page listing the same sub-articles. Unless you meant something else? MickMacNee (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
If you want to see London Transport stuff I think it's better to arrive at a disambiguation page than be hit with a huge amount of information like at History of ....., where you have to work out what's just happened! Feel free to change it back, I don't really care about these things anymore, and I've not sorted anything else out. Arriva436talk/contribs18:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I would actually prefer renaming the History article to London Transport now I think about it, that might take some of the confusion away, with appropriate hatnotes. If you aren't particularly bothered, I'll get on it. MickMacNee (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I think the database is going screwy, its not showing me the latest changes, so I'll leave it for now. It has to be done through WP:RM anyway. MickMacNee (talk) 19:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
New report shows Countdown could be solution to pedestrian confusion at traffic lights
Route P13 has been revised to improve reliability for passengers
September
Introduction of pink Oyster validators may mean cheaper fares for people avoiding Zone 1 if they touch in Midway through their journey, at some key interchanges.
TfL will launch Countdown, a new sevice which shows when and where the next bus is for mobile and internet users.
TfL's Lost Property Office celebrates 75 years
London's taxi drivers take a large group of seriously ill children on a trip of a lifetime to Disneyland Paris
Strike threat lifted as RMT leadership accepts Victoria line working patterns
New edition of 'Poems on the Underground' hits bookstores
New Travel Information Centre opens at Euston
'No reason' for Victoria line strike, says London Underground
Transport for London tightens guidelines for licensing taxi and private hire drivers in London
TfL calls on PPP Arbiter to set a fair price for Tube Lines contract
Ian Brown, the Managing Director of Transport for London's (TfL) London Rail directorate and Chairman of Docklands Light Railway received an award for making 'an outstanding personal contribution to the rail industry'
Free Guided Walks across the Capital on 26-27 September 2009
Urgent utility works in Victoria for next eight weeks
Central London roads close as weekend of cycling comes to London
Work progressing on Hanger Lane bridges
Ten rail stations to be managed by Transport for London
TfL campaign urges drivers to 'give motorcyclists a second thought' and cut road deaths
Saddle up for Cycle Fridays this week and you may end up on the winners' podium at the Tour of Britain
Mike Brown named as new Managing Director of London Underground
London Underground staff turn the Tube green, purple and pink
Giant eye warns drug drivers to stay away from the wheel
TfL agrees £1bn loan for Crossrail from European Investment Bank
Introduction of pink Oyster route validators at selected stations
Better bus information on the way
Writer Sarah Butler discovers Underground literary talent
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September has seen an increase in the number of articles as well as October. There was only the promotion Timeline of the London Underground to featured list status so congratulations to those involved. October so far has been eventful in other areas except for the assessment side.
On an assessment at the start of October the overall assessment showed that (and still is at the time of writing) there are 41% of articles have no assessment or importance rating at all.This seems to be getting worse compatred to to the start of the year when this figure was only at 25%.
On the Portal, the only active areas seem to be the voting and changing of the selected pictures and articles. The transport news seems to be infrequently updated with the most up-to-date news being in this newsletter!
As usual all suggestions to improving the Metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
Tyw7 has contributed well to this edition with the addition of a gallery section which may be present in future editions as well as updating the transport news. Thank you for this.
DavidCane has also done some reorganising of the whole project after little response on the status on various pages from 2 months ago. This has helped in some ways and thanks to him.
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Thanks for the correction to the correction!
It is referenced in various places as an ECW body and it looks like an ECW body - but then again, the Leyland Motors page says that the "Leyland" bodies built from 1988 to 1992 were basically ECW bodies built at Leyland.
Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this. Yes - no problem! I had always had that in the back of my mind there was something wrong with it, not helped by the fact, as you say, they are basically the same body! Anyway, hopefully all is fixed now! Arriva436talk/contribs19:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Nov Metro
Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
New report shows Countdown could be solution to pedestrian confusion at traffic lights
Route P13 has been revised to improve reliability for passengers
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There has been a general increase in articles. However again there is not much to report other than the Baker Street and Waterloo Railway a candidate for promotion to Good Article whilst British Airways was promoted. September has seen an increase in the number of articles as well as October. October so far has been eventful in other areas except for the assessment side during the start but it has been relatively quiet also in November.
On an assessment at the start of October the overall assessment showed that there were 41% of articles that had no assessment of quality or importance rating at all. This seems to be getting worse compatred to to the start of the year when this figure was only at 25%.
On the Portal, the most active areas seem to be the voting and changing of the selected pictures and articles. The transport news seems to be infrequently updated with the most up-to-date news being in this newsletter! Did you know is now being improved.
As usual all suggestions to improving the Metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
Tyw7 has contributed well to the previous edition with the addition of a gallery section which may be present in future editions as well as updating the transport news. Thank you for this. Any suggestions welcome for also updating of images.
Huge thank you to DavidCane for helping to reorganising of the whole project after little response on the status on various pages from a few months ago.
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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ING direct will sponsor free travel on the Underground at New Year's Eve
Maida Vale tube station received the National Rail Heritage Award due to its modernisation
November
Blackwall Tunnel temporarily closed because a vehicle caught fire
A new ticket hall is installed at Kings Cross St Pancras station giving a 30 per cent increase in capacity with more entrances and escalators as well as lifts installed giving most of the remaining lines at this station step-free access for disabled passengers. The exception to this is the Northern Line with works still occurring until mid 2010.
New bridges installed at Limehouse station to provide easier interchange between DLR and National Rail services
A new campaign is launched warning Londoners of unbooked minicabs.
South Croydon railway station is to cut its power from the National Grid and instead have its CCTV and lighting powered by solar panels to be installed. This is part of an effort to go green and have a big cut in carbon emissions
The Docklands Light Railway celebrates 10 years of its Lewisham extension
Oyster Pay As You Go now accepted on Thames Clipper services
Oyster Pay As You Go to be accepted on all National Rail services in London from 2 January 2010
The TfL Lost Property Office has donated a lot of new toys to the Salvation Army to help disadvantaged children in south London
During the festive period, London Overground will be operating extra services on Saturdays to help Christmas shoppers
Bendy buses to be removed from route 38 to be replaced by double-decker buses
New traffic light timings in Camden Town on trial, giving green light to those within speed limit and red light to speeders
Coca-cola to sponsor LU busking over Christmas period
new Surface Transport and Traffic Operations Centre opened by Duke of York
Brixton Hill gyratory removed
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Baker Street and Waterloo Railway was promoted to good article. Well done to DavidCane. This now also on as a candidate for featured article. Otherwise this month has been again fairly quiet. The portal went through a candidacy for featured portal with not much luck. The areas of the portal are becoming more active with the voting and changing of the selected pictures and articles. The transport news seems has started to be updated again but with the most up-to-date news being in this newsletter. Did you know is being improved.
As usual all suggestions to improving the Metropolitan are welcome so if you have one we would be happy to hear from you.
I am sorry for the previous editions for being late as well as this one due to being busy
Thank you to Sunil060902 for the gallery update
If you think there is anything else i have missed, please drop me a note or leave a message at The Metropolitan's feedback page. Also if you feel you want to do an edition, again leave me a message.
...that Belsize Park station is one of the only eight stations in London to have a deep level bomb shelter beneath it?
…that Mile End tube station is the only station on the London Underground network from which it is possible to reach any other station with only a single change of train?
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Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hi. I moved the article by cutting and pasting because a move was not possible - Aviance UK already existed as a redirect. I had been told in the past that copying and pasting was acceptable where this was the case. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Merry Christmas! Wikiwoohoo (talk) 17:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah, no, you shouldn't do that, as it ruins the page history. What you should do is request the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves, so an admin can delete the page you want to move to and then move it. This avoids page history problems. Anyway, not to worry, an admin has sorted the Aviance UK article out now! Hope you had a good Christmas - have a happy new year! Arriva436talk/contribs22:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)