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Disruptive editing

Hello! your recent edits at David Bierk are downright disruptive. I just spent twenty minutes adding proper sources to the early life section (we do not call it "biography" as the whole article is the biography) and you summarily seem to have deleted them. As you seem to have just arrived on Wikipedia a month ago, you should know that removing sources is considered to be quite a bad thing to do. I am going to restore my sourced content. If you have any problems with that, take it to the talk page of the article. Deleting sources that people have worked to find is not going to make you popular here, to put it plainly.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

If you would allow me a half hour or so of editing, I could greatly assist in condensing this article, while increasing its readability. I would suggest merging the death and personal life sections into what is now the early life section so that his entire life can be read about in one stretch rather than breaking it up into sections of one or two sentences. Additionally, I suggest merging the lists into a section about Bierk’s career as an artist, where everything can be structured in narrative form for increased readability.

What are your thoughts? Artslettersperson (talk) 03:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020

Hello, I'm Info-Screen. I noticed that in this edit to David Bierk, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Info-Screen::Talk 02:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

This page is a disaster. There is no place in an encyclopedia article for long lists. If you would allow me to condense the article in proper narrative form consistent with that of other notable artists, you will see the results rather than disrupting my edits mid-progress. Artslettersperson (talk) 02:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

A sincere welcome to Wikipedia. I don't agree that it is a "disaster". Once you have more than your current 70 edits you will be able to better assess the quality of articles. We have a particular way of doing things here, and it takes time to learn. It is true that the page needs work, and the first problem is that it needs sourcing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

In fact I have been a member of Wikipedia nearly since its inception and have created and edited many hundreds of articles. I am quite familiar with the proper format of Wikipedia articles and encyclopedia articles in general. Unfortunately due to a malfunction I was unable to access my former account and had to create a new account. If you would like, I would be more than happy to perform extensive work on this article in providing additional sources. I’m not going to waste my time, however, if you’re going to change my work in real time before I can even complete it. Artslettersperson (talk) 02:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

All I saw was an edit without an edit summary, that deleted a list in an Article. I didn't saw a reason for removing the list from the Article. If you wan't to work in the information into text, I would consider that an Improvement to the Article. I would recommend removing the list at the same time, when integrating the inforamtion into the text. And always providing an edit summary, so others know the reasoning for a specific change, it definetly wasn't obvious with this edit. --Info-Screen::Talk 02:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

It’s evident that we both admire this artist. He’s a significant artist who is deserving of a page consistent with that of his peers in the art world. Perhaps it would help for you to visit the pages of Bierk’s contemporaries Richard Estes, Ian Hornak, or Chuck Close to see articles that are a bit more effectively structured. Narrative is always more effective than lists, of properly structured. Artslettersperson (talk) 02:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I have seen those pages. My advice to you would be to: not delete sections with false edit summary saying you are going to "merge it", not delete sources other editors have tracked down and as above, not delete an entire section without an edit summary as to why. These are varying forms of disruptive editing. If you seek credibility, this is not the way to get it. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I was in the process of merging the sections as you were in the process of undoing my work in real-time. Artslettersperson (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that in between your edits the page is in a worse state, that before. And I also don't see a reason, to remove the old version, before the new version is available. --Info-Screen::Talk 03:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

It’s evident that you’re interested in being the sole editor of this page. Clearly you have a very personal attachment to this subject. Are you a family member? Artslettersperson (talk) 03:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to indent your replies, as mentioned below. I am not related, no connection. It's possible I may have met him once at Artspace in Peterborough around 30 years ago, but I cannot remember. I am not really a fan of his paintings; I do not find them interesting. What I am is a fan of good coverage for Canadian artists. I rend to agree that narrative can be better for lists in some cases, but in this case there are so many entries that it just turns into an illegible text blob in paragraph form. I do not disagree with some of what you are saying, but they way you are going about it is disruptive.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:15, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

That's not a discussion style we like here. Please refrain from Personal Attacks like accusing an editor that he or she wants to own an Article without evidence. --Info-Screen::Talk 03:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

And in having seen the pages of Bierk’s contemporaries, why has there not been an effort to make his page more consistent with those of notable artists on Wikipedia? Artslettersperson (talk) 03:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Unless you can learn how to indent I am going to stop replying.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

If it would make you happier, I will do the edits in sandbox and post as one overall edit. I’m doing this on my phone, therefore, it’s less than convenient to do it in that manner. My objective is to bring this page to something that’s more consistent with Wikipedia standards. Artslettersperson (talk) 03:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

As I said above, as a new user with 70 edits you probably need to slow down and learn the conventions of Wikipedia before doing a whole page. You have been asked twice now to properly indent and cannot be bothered to do so. Re notability, if you really had created and edited many hundreds of articles you would know that all individuals who have an article on Wikipedia are considered notable. Notability is a core principle of Wikipedia. I would suggest you try first some basic editing challenges rather than trying to rewrite an entire article. Good night. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

About replies on Talk pages

When using Talk pages we generally use colons (:) to indent our messages. This creates a thread like structure. Multiple colons for multiple levels of indention. See Help:Talk pages and especially Help:Talk pages#Replying to an existing thread. --Info-Screen::Talk 03:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hornak Estate

I'm not sure that I understand the situation, but I think you might: Does Rosemary's son Eric conviction for selling forgeries using fabricated provenance have any impact on the value of the "largest collection in the world" of Nesbits? Has this collection been re-evaluated since his conviction? Vexations (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 10:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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