Attila1988

October 2020

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Speedy deletion nomination of RTOC - Russian True Orthodox Church

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Welcome!

Hello, Attila1988, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Hello Jimfbleak,

I have removed made again the page and removed the 'History' part (I think that was the problem you meant), this page also egsist in Russian. Would it be ok to post what is written on the Russian page translated to English?

Thank you for your help, Attila Attila1988 (talk) 18:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Jimfbleak,

I have removed made again the page and removed the 'History' part (I think that was the problem you meant), this page also egsist in Russian. Would it be ok to post what is written on the Russian page translated to English?

Thank you for your help, Attila1988 (talk) 18:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Attila

Hi @Attila1988. I will ping @Jimfbleak, as you wish to get an answer from them. Also, in terms of translating a page from Russian Wikipedia to English Wikipedia - you should read Wikipedia:Translation. Please pay attention to the copyright requirements explained at this link: WP:TFOLWP. If you need help with translating - you may wish to ask the WikiProject Intertranswiki at their talk page, here. Hopefully this helped, but if it didn't you might want to ask another question at the Help desk. Seagull123 Φ 19:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @Seagull123:. @Attila1988:, I'll reply in detail later, but for the moment, I note that you have not replied to my COI comments above. As an employee of the church you must make the paid editor declaration on your user page as instructed, or I will block you as an undeclared paid editor Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

But do I need to do that even if I don't get paid in reality? Attila1988 (talk) 09:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Our priests don't even get paid for their services especially not for contributing to Wikipedia... Attila1988 (talk) 09:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Reply

As you have already been told, I won't know you have posted here unless you ping me {{ping|Jimfbleak}} Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest. If you are not paid, you don't need to declare as a paid editor, but you should put the following on the article talk page. {(Connected contributor|User1=Attila1988 |U1-EH=yes |U1-declared=yes |U1-otherlinks=COI declared on talk page}} That doesn't mean you can write what you like, you must follow the guidance below:

• you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls. Most of your references were connected to the organisation, and were not independent third-party sources.
• The notability guidelines for organisations and companies have been updated. The primary criteria has five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met:

1. significant coverage in
2. independent,
3. multiple,
4. reliable,
5. secondary sources.

Note that an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability. You just tell us about doctrine and a bit of history, but we know nothing that shows notability. How many priests? worshippers? How is the church funded

• You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.
• There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
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Note that Russian wikipedia is independent of en-wiki, and its rules on referencing, notability and copyright may well be different from those that apply here. Simply transalting the Russian article won't be enough

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak:

Dear Jim,

I have put on the article talk page what you asked me about connected contributor and I refrased my writings so they don't look promotional. I also rewritten the History part so it cannot be a copy right i frigment. Please let me know if there is anything else to do. Attila1988 (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I made a minor error in the COI code I gave you, which I've fixed. The article name is unsatisfactory, but I see on the talk page that's being addressed. It's still mainly sourced to the organisation, but I'll leave that to others to worry about Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak:

Thank you Jim, I will try to add other sources later on.

Attila1988 (talk) 13:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Could you have a look?

Could you have a look at the timeline I tried to do and give me your feedback? Veverve (talk) 19:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)