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Huffman, wikilinks and genres

Hi. You need to use wikilinks to your advantage. Edwardian musical comedy and Victorian burlesque (like Robinson Crusoe) are genre descriptions that people can click on to find out more about these works. A Victorian burlesque is a retrospective identification of a kind of parody musical, and the Edwardian musical comedies were loosely-plotted song-and-dance musicals with often wisecracky books and lots of interpolated numbers. These genres continued after the end of the reign of the monarch with whom they are identified. To simply follow the wording chosen by one writer of one source does our readers a disservice. Hischak's characterization of the musicals that Huffman first directed is sloppy. As an editor, it is your job to add the value of links and a background in the relevant genres and to try to understand the background of what you are writing about. I am not going to change your characterization of Huffman's work as "staging", but I think you are misunderstanding the sources about it. It is being used interchangeably with "directing", and your using the term as if it means something different than directing is just adding a confusing distinction without a difference for our readers. But please, at least use the obvious helpful advantages of our encyclopedia in organizing the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, but I strongly disagree with you. I think you could argue that Robinson Crusoe was a "burlesque-style" musical, but it was certainly a burlesque of the Robinson Crusoe story, not simply a musical adaptation. And Huffman's early musicals were Edwardian musical comedies. Even George M. Cohan's musicals are often described as Edwardian musical comedies, including George M. Cohan's sentimental Little Nellie Kelly (1922), which even Hischak identifies as a late example of the genre. See "Little Nellie Kelly" in Thomas Hischak, ed., The Oxford Companion to the American Musical (Oxford University Press, 2009). If you did the reading about these genres, you would know that I'm right. It also appears that you have not worked on WP:Featured Articles, because the idea that you have to repeat the person's full name below the Lead is not considered necessary by good editors at Wikipedia. I must say that I am very disappointed. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: I wasn't going to say anything, but your last few comments are really getting to me. I have much respect for your work on here of course Ssilvers, but sadly I don't think you really know much about Aymatth2 and the work he's done on here. He's not an FA contributor, true, but there is a reason for that, not that he isn't capable of producing FA quality work. I have a lot of experience working with editors like Tim riley, Brian boulton and yourself and I also consider Aymatth to be at the highest level as a researcher and editor of wikipedia, even if he doesn't bother with FA. If you really look into what he's achieved on wikipedia it's tremendous and IMO he's easily in the top 5 of most valuable editors given his range of decent work across a vast array of topics. Yes, he often has eccentric ideas in terms of formatting, but I really think you're way off in your perception of him. I'm not questioning your concerns with the article and the dispute, but it's the last thing you said as if he doesn't fall under good editor category.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: I am merely suggesting that by working on FA articles, a person learns what is acceptable formatting and content among our most highly-rated articles and learns a lot of tips about how editors who work on those articles develop them and make editorial choices. Your comment here is very late, since I disengaged from the articles that I was trying to help Aymatth on about a week ago. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I had only just read the comment! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• @Dr. Blofeld: I assume that Ssilvers's concern is nothing do to with formatting or editorial standards, since he did not identify any problems. The concern was that I would not accept his theory that Robinson Crusoe, Jr. was a Victorian burlesque in the absence any sources to support that theory. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Really? I read "It also appears that you have not worked on WP:Featured Articles, because the idea that you have to repeat the person's full name below the Lead is not considered necessary by good editors at Wikipedia. " which would seemingly be critical of your formatting and editorial choices.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:07, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• I missed that one. Sort of a silly comment. The lead should say what the article is about and give a brief summary that hits the most important points. I don't put anything in the lead that is not covered in the body of the article. Ssilvers helped improve La Belle Paree after I started it, and among other things moved "The book was by Edgar Smith, music by Jerome Kern and Frank Tours and lyrics by Edward Madden. Billee Taylor provided additional music and lyrics, and M. E. Rourke and Frederick Day provided additional lyrics." from the body to the lead, so those two sentences are now unsourced and have no corresponding statement in the body. I guess he just likes putting everything in the lead. Maybe the FA standards allow that, but I don't like it. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

If Aymatth2 would read the musical theatre project's article structure guidelines, he would see that the creators of the work should be mentioned in the Lead. The IBDb article names all the creators, as Aymatth2 knows, and it does not need to be cited *again* in the Lead, but it could be, if Aymatth2 feels that he wants to repeat it there. If the article on La Belle Paree were expanded properly, there would then follow after the lead a background/history section that would describe the genesis of the La Belle Paree and describe how the various creators became involved in the project and what their respective contributions were. For a good example of this, see Carousel (musical). I would have liked to have helped expand this article fully, like one of our higher-quality musical theatre articles, but Aymatth2 does not want any advice. He reverted substantially all my edits on J. C. Huffman, and he does not want to learn about early musical theatre genres, so I withdrew from the article. Needless to say, I believe that Aymatth2 has misunderstood nearly everything I have said to him about La Belle Paree and Huffman and so has mischaracterized it above. I really would not like to come back ever again to this unhappy and very disappointing subject, and I would ask, Dr. Blofeld, that you stop pinging me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• @Ssilvers: I did not revert anything you added to La Belle Paree. I assumed you had taken "ownership". I am very curious about the IBDB comment. Perhaps you could expand on this principle. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me and blue-linking me. No one owns articles on Wikipedia. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I only pinged you once Ssilvers... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Argentine film stills

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Can you restart Albert Lewis (producer)? He often produced with Marion Gering which I started earlier.Dr. Blofeld 11:29, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW we tend to avoid imdb as a direct source as it's a user generated database and not officially considered to be a reliable source because of it. Cinenacional.com I'm not fully sure about that ,but I use that for the cast and crew.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

El inglés de los güesos Better with images?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but you'll get editors going through articles removing every source to imdb they find so be warned!.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

A very notable film score composer with over 170 film credits David Snell (composer) is missing, which you'd probably do better justice to than myself! Albert Lewis now looks more like it should!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

What was that image you posted on my talk page for LOL? Any chance you can expand Carlos Hugo Christensen, really notable director who also worked in Brazil.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Any chance you could start an article on Duitse Huis, a listed building in Utrecht?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• I made a start - sort of interesting. It is short on information about the architecture - annoying because the Wikimedia gallery looks like an upload from a source that would describe it in great detail. I may dig around a bit more, see if I can find the source. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Just started Great Denmark Street. Interesting place. I was wondering if you could turn George Augustus Rochfort the 2nd Earl of Belvedere into an article? I'd think George Rochfort, 2nd Earl of Belvedere would be a better title. His mother also an interesting woman worth starting, Mary. There's info on her and her haunting in the Rare Dublin book [3]. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

• I started it, and may dig around for more on his political career. He seems to have had an interesting childhood. Probably both parents and the house in Dublin deserve articles. I hope nobody is going to launch an edit war over this one. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice one. Well, it is in Ireland so it's a possibility :-) I stubbed The Belvedere Hotel (Dublin) earlier. Feel free to add content to it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Any chance you and @Yngvadottir: could expand Norwegian Authors Union Freedom of Expression Prize or create an article on the union and merge? I'd say though that the prize seems notable enough in its own right but of course we have no problems merging notable articles to more general ones :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Veloz and Yolanda

Still up for it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:42, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I just had to remove unsourced material somebody readded to this. Really they should have separate biographies and one article for the dancing team.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you find any population data by commune/village on here? Somehow they compiled the data on here but I was hoping to find a full village census on the official site.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent start, I might try to get it up to GA at some point which will help further protect it. It's on my watchlist anyway, so hopefully long term anybody tampering with it will be stamped out.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Started some red links including Honeymoon Lodge. Noticed Edward C. Lilley is missing (imdb) Care to start him, he can join your other bank of theatre producers and directors then! Tip Tap and Toe and Bobby Brooks (musician) who led an orchestra also missing. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Veloz and Yolanda is at GAN. Are Jean Davi and thoro (bottom quote) intentional spellings?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

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DYK for Veloz and Yolanda

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Any chance you could start a new article on Murmansk Shipping Company? Search for it on here, turns up tons of mentions! It even has Category:Murmansk Shipping Company and a commons cart of its own.. Seems a major company.. and a museum... Official site♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Not interested? How about this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Venetian crusade

Hi, just to let you know that I have just removed an erroneous statement from the Venetian crusade article. The four bronze horses outside St. Mark's are actually quite famous, so famous in fact, that they have their own article: Horses of Saint Mark. The cited source does actually say this (it mentions only the 1204 crusade in that chapter), but I can see how the wording of it ('this Venetian crusade' - quite a political statement now I think about it) makes it seem that they came from the 1122-24 crusade. Other than this small thing, I think that the article's more than fine and a joy to read, the more crusader articles the better! Pjposullivan (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• You are right. I read "four horses ... Venetian crusade" and missed "1204". I am not sure 'this Venetian crusade' is political, exactly. It was planned as a regular crusade starting from Venice, then got a bit diverted. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:18, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Aarhus

Hi, any chance you could create some of the red links in the article, particularly WWII related? Can't see an article on Aarhus Air Raid etc..♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Any chance you could expand Aarhus Air Raid? I think you would do it justice. Or is Canadian painters too pressing :-)?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Can you add an image and infobox for Precambrian Research and anything on it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Filled in a red link for you with Reagantown, Pennsylvania!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Check out this. More how wikipedia should look right?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, obviously you can't use it for editing, but if you want to read wikipedia for a while it's ideal. I hope the wiki developers go for something like that and of course so you can also edit easily..18:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Any chance of starting the Ottawa archive and Shep (Thanhauser Collie) [4]? See A Dog's Love♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that, surprised the Ottawa archive doesn't have an article though. The Thanhouser article really is an important one for early film which needs to be expanded. I'm going to try to stub a fair few of the films by director over coming weeks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Barry Docks

I was wondering if you could write a decent article on this. It's in my home town, once the largest coal port in the world. It was established by David Davies (industrialist). It has a very interesting history and colliery related history to Welsh mining and it's such a notable subject it needs to be well-researched. If you could write a decent article I also have a book on Barry which I think I could use to help. But it's definitely way too notable to be a redirect. I started Barry Waterfront which is a redevelopment scheme yesterday, a summarised paragraph of that at the bottom of a main article on the docks would be good.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have some good old pictures of the docks in by Barry Centenary book which I think I can claim pd-old for and scan. There's quite a lot of stuff in my book about the development of the port and local organizations and a newspaper published during that period. For some reason I associate banana boats with the docks, you might want to look into that, I know for a while it was a major banana importer in the UK. I actually did my work experience partly in the Dock Offices and the Vale council building and I remember a banana boat being out in the port at the time. I also remember one of the managers mentioning the pollution problem with the water and warning swimmers away from it and an extensive cleanup operation or something. Not sure if you can find more on that. I think the banana operation needs more as it was really quite notable for decades in the county. The docks are really quite an eerie place, less so now with the development but there's still parts of the old yards and that left. I remember once after going swimming at the nearby leisure centre as a kid we walked through the old dockyards and railway and it really was a decadent place, you could almost sense old spirits about the place and hustle and bustle of unloading coal into the ships. Walking along the railway with the docks in the background was sort of like stepping into Victorian times, quite extraordinary. Sometimes you'd hear the fog horn of boats out in the channel too which added to that creepy feeling, rather like Alcatraz in feeling actually.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Not sure why you did this. My Moore book states that the town began to populate in the 1880s and implies even before the docks opened; it says specifically "labourers and shopkeepers flooded into the area in the 1880s", on page 205. It does imply that this was before 1889 but it could be misleading. The railway I believe had already been built before the port officially opened, remember that the development was already underway by 1885 so it is possible than many saw the potential as early as that. The labourers who flooded in would have been those who built the port and some set up shop to provide for them. Obviously it didn't grow dramatically until it opened as a port though. I'm not bothered either way, but please don't make claims that info I add isn't supported in sources I have as that's false. You also changed the other image back which only covers half of the docks and focuses largely on Barry Island... The quality is better though, I agree on that. I'll have a fish around see if I can find a better one. I'll let you complete your work on it first I think to avoid conflicts!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The bit about laborers and shopkeepers moving in seemed out of place, and was followed by a cite of Carradice|2011, which does not say that. The act authorizing the railway and the docks was in late 1884. They were built in parallel, completed in 1888-89. The town would have expanded as construction progressed. The image shows almost all of the docks: the #1 dock beyond the island and the #2 dock leading away into the distance. The other view from the air is more map-like, but the bits of airplane in the foreground are distracting, and there is a map now. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree actually, although I'm not too happy with the angle of the main image which focuses more on Barry Island. Let me know when you've finished on it anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I cropped out File:Barry_Docks_from_air.jpg.. Quality isn't great though..♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Pretty sure your flickr user got his wires crossed with File:Barry_Docks,_Wales_(2848906341).jpg. I know of no such building in Barry, looks like the old Bute dock, Cardiff. If you look on google maps/street view you'll see there's no such building at Barry Docks.. The image looks like how Cardiff Docks used to look in the early 80s before the development. There's no way that photo was taken in 2008, I'd say it was definitely taken before 1990. that flick user has another photo from Barry taken in Cadaxton and in the commentary he even says late 80s. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• It looked a bit odd to me too - the tall red building did not match the other views. I have replaced it with another. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:48, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Emailed, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget the Barry Waterfront! That deserves a lengthy section of its own in the docks article summarising the redevelopment! I think it needs more on the boom years, and on coal mining in the valleys and transportation down to the port. I believe the viaduct at Porthkerry Park was built for it etc.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Really looking impressive, great job! On the waterfront though I think you need to mention the commercial development foremost, the Morrisons, Halfords, KFC etc. Should be OK aside from that. It might also be good if you can find what specific collieries supplied the port and which mines produced the most for export at Barry.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:55, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. The "summary" of Barry Waterfront is now almost half as long as the main article. Long enough. The coal came from Rhondda colliers who were not named Bute. I can't find a mine-by-mine breakdown of production or shipments. It was a lot of coal, a lot of dust and grime. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Aymatth, you can't ramble on about housing developments and not mention the commercial aspects of the district!! Morrisons supermarket is one of most notable in South Wales. If anything you could get away with just mentioning that and then saying by 2011 how many homes etc.. I've found this on Moore p. 242: "Ships at first entered and left the old Dock by way of the Basin, but with the completion of the Lady Windsor Lock early in 1898, the lock became the normal means of entry to the Docks. The lock is only 65 feet wide, compared with 80 feet for the Basin; large ships even today may have to use the Basin." Not sure where to add it, but that's the exact wording. If you can find a way to include that somewhere in the best place (probably entrance basin) in your own words this would be great.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:50, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• I mentioned there was a supermarket, but assumed it was just a chain outlet. Where I live, supermarkets change names ever few years like hotels and restaurants. The article is about the docks. I would say the "Urban development" section should be essentially the same as the lead of the Barry Waterfront article – which could use improvement. I have expanded on Lady Windsor. There is some disagreement in the sources about the date opened, but I am taking the earlier date as the more plausible. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Morrisons is the centre piece of the development really and most worthy of commentary. Will add a bit more on background and then condense it shortly.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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Decide how you want to distribute these images. It might be good to replace some of the modern ones which are only indirectly related or add some panorama images with your set px size etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Those are great! I have no time now, but will put them in this evening. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah there's some valuable ones like the 1884 spade one and the Dock 1 being built. File:Barry_Docks11.jpg actually is even longer, it's a two page panorama from three photographs in the full version. I might see if I can upload it in better quality in two parts and then ask somebody to mould them together.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if any of the red links in Template:Barry, Vale of Glamorgan interest you. Whitmore Bay and Nell's Point are close by and the dock's office article should really be brought up to half decent status. I spent a week in that place, it really feels like stepping back into the turn of the 20th century inside. St Cadoc's Church also notable and interesting, I have some info in my book on that. Porthkerry Viaduct might even have enough info for an article on it. With a bit of work I actually think the docks article could be brought up to FA status. It's certainly got the material needed to get it all the way, just could use a copyedit and trim, particularly on the technical details.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• The technical details could use expansion, yes. Much more could be said about the hydraulic power supply, mobile tip cranes and rail network. Also the American Diner deserves more detailed coverage. But I have some suffragette redlinks to fix first ... Aymatth2 (talk) 01:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you find anything more on The Rise and Fall of the Romanov Autocracy? If not I'll db author. The others should all be kept.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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I was surprised and not surprised to see that article on DYK. The content was split off Bruckner's String Quartet, to my knowledge without contacting the author of that article, and expanded on web sources that he doesn't respect as much as those for the original article. Of course no infobox, - it had been reverted already before. I try to avoid infobox debates, but such procedures make it hard. (All Bruckner composition articles have one, just the two split off ones don't.) "Editorial choice" has been mentioned, but who is the editor? We should write for the readers. The history of both articles is nothing that should be shown more, imo. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I said yes. The DYK could be refused as not enough new content. I don't think a merge would be necessary. You could start a discussion about the consensus. I know at least three people who would prefer the article consistent with the quartet and others. I forgot one Bruckner article without, Ecce sacerdos magnus. No need to tell you by whom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for your support! The idea of the different images is to show the approximate age of the composer at the time of the first composition, - follow the sequence in the symphonies (easy, there's a navbox. Opera: so far we had always the same image of the composer, now we develop to show something related to the actual work, see Carmen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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Images of paintings in Krøyer articles

I thought it might be easier if I dropped a word on your own talk page in connection with your extensive comments on my talk page in connection with P.S. Krøyer's paintings of Marie. I must say that although I have been extremely busy with other things over the past few days, I have tried my very best to accommodate your suggestions in the article itself. Furthermore, I have just managed to find time over the past hour or so trying to follow up on your suggestion about the categorising and sorting of the images on Commons. Unfortunately, what I have done does not seem to be working too well. It took at least 30 minutes before anything worked at all and now, as far as I can see, the slide show seems to default to portraits of Marie Krøyer based on some other categories as photographs are included too! In any case, it certainly includes images not in the Commons category specified on the Wikipedia article page. I am also aware of the problem of text being pushed into narrow columns next to large images. That is why I normally use galleries but I see with the packed approach, the captions themselves come out in unwanted narrow columns. I think we really need to bring in some image experts to sort out these problems. In particular, I am extremely sorry that our enthusiastic new member User:Belle has been so upset by all these presentational problems. I hope very much she does not decide to opt out completely. She has been doing some fantastic work with articles on images herself. Maybe user:Elekhh would like to spend an hour or so looking at the problems we have been facing, in particular as illustrated on my talk page. I don't think there's a great deal more I can do at the moment to improve the presentational quality of the article. We'll see if the reviewer can help. I am really glad you have taken such an active interest in all this. It's just a great pity that the software doesn't seem to respond to default values in the way we might expect. Finally, I must say that when viewing articles on mobile devices, I have great difficultly returning to the previous page after opening another article or image. Even on a laptop, it is not always as easy as you might think. Wherever possible, users should be able to find everything they need within the article itself - at least that would seem to be the ideal we should try to achieve. Thanks once again for all your time and trouble.--Ipigott (talk) 14:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• I certainly hope we do not turn off a new editor with arcane quibbles about format. I checked the Wikimedia gallery and saw only the images in the category, but they were our of sequence and the side bar is giving the file name and expanded creator details, but not the title or description. So it is not working well. I give up. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps you can liaise with those who are supposed to be handling these matters. It seems to me that in our attempt to follow the Wikipedia dogma we have in fact ended up with results that are less satisfactory than they were before we started playing around with formats. Perhaps it would be best to wait and see the review comments from SchroCat but I must say I agree with Belle that the earlier presentation was "far superior". I don't think we should simply give up on the whole matter. In any case, I am really surprised to see that despite the early comments and edits from Dr. Blofeld on the images in the article, recent FA articles covering the visual arts not only include very large images but also have a high ratio of images to text. See for example Beaune Altarpiece or Early Netherlandish painting. I think you will have to agree that the large image sizes add a great deal to the quality of the articles as a whole. Don't you think we should try to achieve the same effects with P.S. Krøyer's paintings of Marie? At the very least, I think these examples clearly support Belle's view that we should not be taking a "one size fits all" approach when dealing with art.--Ipigott (talk) 07:46, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Ipigott, very large images are not the reason why I made the changes. And I don't like the current version, the gallery images are too small now. The lack of text and ratio of images vs text, the sheer number of images in relation to text in each short section was the reason, although the size does make the problem worse, overwhelming the text, the last section for instance, the image is 4 times the size of the prose!!. If you can't see the difference between a gem like Early Netherlandish painting with beautifully written long paragraphs of text with the balance and how Belle's/your version of the Marie article looks with barely a few sentences divided by big galleries then there's little point in talking to you. Your version of the article consisted of many big galleries and short sections which were smaller than the images themselves so it looked really cluttered. You can't even compare those articles you mentioned in terms of the proportion of text with imagery. If each section had the text like those two articles you mentioned it wouldn't look cluttered and would be more appropriate. Try to add a lot more text in each section and the balance will look far better; look at each section and in each the text should really be larger than the images. If not, then it either needs expansion or merging. And I'm pretty sure Belle is a stronger woman than you seem to think.. I acknowledge her views and appreciate the effort she made and agree on some of the photograph comparisons at least, but there's no need to treat her like a child.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:54, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad we are able to continue this discussion as we do now indeed seem to be reaching some kind of consensus. Furthermore, our experiments seem to have revealed some unexpected problems with the way in which images are accessed and displayed on various devices. Sorry Dr. B if I confused some of your earlier comments and edits with those which followed from Aymatth. I think the current version has progressed in several ways: the text is no longer dominated by images on the left and right of the page and the galleries now come at the end of the longer sections. Especially for mobile users, this means that when a section is opened, the images appear after the text (rather than in another section which has not been opened). The reason the images are too small appears to be the fault of the software. We can only guess why the first packed gallery displays large images while the second does not. I would also like to say how much I always appreciate Dr. Blofeld's involvement in improving the quality of my articles. We have had a long constructive relationship which I hope will continue. Sorry, Belle, if I seem to have been treating you like a child but on the basis of my past experience with newbies, once I see reactions like "If GA and FA can't adapt to encompass different sorts of articles then I'm glad they aren't the purpose of the encyclopedia" and "I haven't enjoyed this past 24 hours and I'm glad I won't be around for the next week or so", I know it is time to show some concern. Anyway, given the "software" problems, then I think I should at least reinsert some of the earlier image and gallery size specifications. I also take note of your advice to enhance and extend the text but I have been hesitant to do so now that the article is being reviewed. I hope we can all continue to cooperate and that there are no hard feelings.--Ipigott (talk) 09:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I have just seen that Dr. Blofeld has reinserted an earlier version of the article with the "cluttered" images which were the subject of his justified concern. I'm not too sure how to go about things now. As noted above, I really appreciated his earlier work on the article: creating larger sections with grouped images at the end was in my opinion an improvement. Should I not go through it all again and reinsert these and all the useful improvements?--Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I thought you said your version was "far superior"? I undid some of my own edits too probably in doing so. I thought my concern about the images in relation to the text was a valid one but you didn't acknowledge this previously. I was just trying to help you promote it to GA but you seemed to imply that all edits must be restored at all costs to stop Belle crying or something. I'm going to distance myself from this one in fear of making Belle "extremely upset" again :-) Good luck with the GA.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

For the record: On Belle's page I noted: "Despite your differing approaches, I realize both you and Dr. B are doing you best to improve the quality of the article. I have made some comments on my talk page. I see how upset you were by some of the recent changes but I am confident we can sort everything out." And on my talk page, in reply to Belle, I wrote: "I can also see that Dr. Blofeld has been doing his best to improve the quality of the article in line with generally recognized Wikipedia quality standards..." So I did try to show appreciation for your work at an early stage and I still think we should go for a compromise.--Ipigott (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

"doing his best to improve the quality of the article " isn't the same as "Blofeld's edits are an improvement" or "some of his edits are positive I don't agree though with the reformatting"! Of course you appreciate my work as always, but you did imply that you wanted the earlier version restored.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, can you find anything more? Also not sure on gender!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you find anything on Al-Hindiya District? An editor has approached me suggesting a redirect or AFD.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and for the map too! One thing though, for the map can you add the city of Al-Hindiya and recolour to a more subtle colour than bright yellow?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you find anything more on Masikoro? Also would be good to know what a tambotrika is..♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:59, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you or @Cattus: find anything more on Maria do Carmo Abecassis? She's mentioned a few times in bibliographies. Perhaps you could find something to say about her poetry and flesh it out a little?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Couldn't really find much more than you did. It seems she wrote at least one article on Expresso (Portuguese newspaper) in 1981 so maybe she was a regular writer in the newspaper or something like that, but it seems they don't have their archives available on their site...--Cattus ^talk 17:40, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Walter K. Martinez

Would W. Ken Martinez be his son? Connormah (talk) 07:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. I pumped the son's article up a bit to show that. Good catch. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Círculo de Escritores Cinematográficos

Can you find some sources and find some lists of the awards by prize/year? Pretty notable for Spanish cinema I think. They should probably have their own pages like some of the Argentine ones. I found imdb list♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• I am still struggling with clearing direct and indirect redlinks from the Heliconian Club. The list is not shrinking. The way I feel now, Spanish movies, even dubbed Buñuel movies, are just not notable. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

How about Raymond Guyot?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• There has to be a link to the Heliconians, even if indirect. I see no trace of him being a Lutheran abolitionist or cast iron cookware manufacturer. Perhaps he was a feminist landscape painter or shipped wheat across the Sahara? Aymatth2 (talk) 22:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Where's all these red links then??♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:48, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

In these articles, from 2014-07-03 onward, mostly. I find it interesting to follow the threads. Often they form clumps, then shoot off in new directions. So Heliconian Club links to Sheridan Nurseries which redlinks to The Canadian Business Journal, sister of The American Business Journal, published by George Media. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:44, 25 October 2014 (UTC)