BabaRera

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Complaint(Zalba)

Ako je moguce da se zalimo protiv ovog diktatorskog olosa koji je protivno pravilima zatvorio diskusiju,zamolio bih te da ne odustajemo jos,samo mi reci gde se zali i da se zalimo,jer ovo ne moze da prodje,kakav crni koncenzus kad je vecina bila za Keep.Ja bih se zalio ali ne znam gdeDzoni 23:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Treba postupati po pravilima. Ja mislim da su ona prekrsena. Treba 1. Obavestiti nasu zajednicu; 2. Podneti zalbu na zloupotrebu adminshipa 3. Na kraju, traziti deletion review. Samo hladno i stalozeno. Ne smemo dozvoliti da se ovakve stvari desavaju - nije ovde u pitanju samo taj clanak, vec princip.

Apsolutno se slazem,ali ti si care mnogo stalozeniji od mene,a i moj engleski nije najbolji pa ti vidi pod 2 i 3 ako mozes,da sve to zvuci ozbiljno,a za pod 1(nasa zajednica),tu cu ja da uradim sve sto je u mojoj moci,jer ne mogu da verujem da je ovako besramno izbrisao clanak,prakticno bez ikakvog objasnjenjaDzoni 23:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I vidi molim te gde cemo da se zalimo na zloupotrebu adminshipa i da trazimo deletion review,ako mozes daj mi link,jer se ja tu tesko snalazim u trazenju.HvalaDzoni 23:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, ja cu se zaliti, ti obavesti ostale. nemoj da se nerviras, nisi trebao da onako napadas albance takve stvari nam stete. pozdrav.

Ma znam,slaba mi je tolerancija.U svakom slucaju obavesti mi kad se zalis pa cemo da vidimo odatle sta daljeDzoni 23:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The "Abuse" of adminship

There was no abuse of adminship. It was previously deleted information that was recreated. DGX 23:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

HELL NO,BECAUSE THAT IS WHOLE ABUSE:::::::HE DELETED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE,EVEN THOUGH MOST VOTES WERE KEEP(13) WITH ONLY 8 DELETE VOTESDzoni 23:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot of invisible F-117-a(song) to why it was deleted. DGX 23:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

"The result of the debate was delete"

^^^^^^^^^^^^

How was it "the result of the debate" when most voters voted Keep????????!?!?!?WHy the hell we voted then,if it doesnt matterDzoni 23:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

That is precisely where the abuse happened. There were more votes to keep than to delete, and there was evidence that the article can be improved. The violation of wiki policies is clear, admins should not act in hasty way, and this was a hasty decision. BabaRera 23:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Most of the users who voted with keep were not just only told from Dzoni to vote but were also told how to vote, which is absolutely unacceptable. It seams that they don’t have their own point of view but were just doing a favor to Dzoni.--Mig11 12:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Could you explain to me the whole abuse issue before I comment on it? --serbiana - talk 04:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I fully support your cause. I will comment tomorrow, right now I'm going to bed. However, there is a very strong anti-Serb and anti-Serbia loby on this Wikipedia, with most administrators hating everything Serbian. As founder of WikiProject Serbia, I have experienced a lot of injustice here, and have learned to accept it. I will comment, but I'm affraid it won't make too much difference. --serbiana - talk 05:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll be brief. I've tried to fight the system, the rules and truth were on my side, but I lost. I feel like Milosevic. But there's nothing anyone can do about it. The best idea is to be as nice as possible and try to become the admin, and then you'll have unlimited power. Something a Serb will never have on Wikipedia. --serbiana - talk 05:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

English Wikipedia is even more anti-serbian then our,Serbian Wikipedia.

I agree with Boris,we need a serbian administrator and fast,I could get him at least 10 greek and couple of Polish votes and is you take that number with all Serbs here,he would most probably go and became and Administrator.We should do it very soon,otherwise,it makes no sense workin on Wikipedia.Boris said it right,we are just like Milosevic,although we innocent,we cant do anything about it unless we get at least one Serbian administrator.Otherwise we will have the faith of Milosevic to,they can slowly kill us and then say we did it ourselves(naravno,ne mislim u bukvalnom smislu,vec figurativno).Dzoni 11:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Administrators are not POV pushers, and any POV pusher will not get through. Serbian admin can be voted only if he is not concerned with POV - that is the whole thing.

Znam,hvala ti mnogo vare sto si digao glas,inacae nikad ne bismo uspeli,a ovako bar clanak postoji.Ali bilo bi dobro kad bismo uspeli da bar deo pesme citiramo u clanku.Sta ti mislis?Dzoni 12:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Dzoni and the article

I know that I am not wrong. Just check the user talk pages and you will see that the users were told how to vote. I don’t care which users are Serbs, Slovenes or Americans. I have a great respect for everyone no matter what their nationality is. And I also do think that everyone should have its own opinion no matter where they come from. Did I say anything about the band?! The article was about the song and not about the band itself or about Dzoni. Regards --Mig11 13:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

His private life has nothing to do with this song. You think that this gives him the right to insult all the people who are not Serbs?! Did I burn his house?! I don’t understand what this has to do with the discussion of the song. If he has any personal problems he should contact a doctor. I am actually really sorry about this kind of people. --Mig11 13:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

It does nothing to do with the article, article has its own merits and that is why people were voting about it. However, the fact that Dzoni is bitter and insulted some people probably has to do with things that happened to him (I dont know him, but just have read his post about it in his edit history), not that he has anything personal against them - of course that does not excuse such behavour. BabaRera 13:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

People were voting exactly how they were told to do from Dzoni. I don’t want to repeat myself, you know that also. And by the way I think you are a sockpupett. You are here now for 2 days or something (your first edit was at 22:28, 7 May 2006) and you already know all the rules of Wikipedia! Sorry but now I don’t think it makes any sense to discuss with you any further until it is explained who you are exactly. Regards--Mig11 13:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I am an anonimous editor, my behaviour is perfectly legitimate. Many editors have contributed anonimously in the beginning. I beleive what matters is what people say, and not who they are; I was not violating any procedure. Also, Dzoni did not invite me, for instance - I saw this thing by chance. Nor did I vote. Dzoni invited editors who he had every reason to believe they would support the article existance - because the article has a legitimate reason to exist for all that know about the song. So I dont see a problem there - in fact, he did not call many people, who might have given better arguments. BabaRera 13:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Your explanations are very weak. From now on I have to ignore you, sorry about that. Regards --Mig11 14:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

A ja ne shvatam sta ovom siptaru smeta.Gde pise da je zabranjeno da zovem odtale korisnike da glasaju?Gde pise da je zabranjeno cak i da im predlozim da glasaju "keep".Ako ovaj Sipi nadje i jedan jedini dokaz da je to protivno pravilima,onda bi bilo lepo da ga i nama pokaze. Dzoni 16:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what I've said

See? Anti-Serb sentiment, or Serbophobia, is almost the moto of Wikipedia. The fact of the matter is that there are only about a 100 Serbs on Wikipedia, and thats simply not enough to win a battle, even if the truth is on our side. We can't win, we can only loose - nerves. --serbiana - talk 22:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Pfffff, most of these users don't know what a condor is... It's pretty pointless to try to proove anything to these mumbling bozos who make up the Wikipedia administration. Most of the people voting Delete are not Albanians, they're simple brainwashed Americans who don't know any better. I think that voting on such a topic should be restricted to those who know what the hell they're talking about. But then, we wouldn't be in a "democratic society". They probably won't delete the article, but you'll see how much time you'll loose untill you convince them that not everything Serbian is unimportant. --serbiana - talk 22:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Advice

Hi BabaRera. I'd just like to let you know that I think you are writing way too much on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/El_kondor_pada (but so do I, this is constructive criticism). I think we would be better off trying to be concise in showing our arguments, because if we go over them again and again, we will just clutter the page. Thanks --dcabrilo 04:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Administrator Samuel Blanning

I see you have had a dustup with this administrator, too, for the very same reason I did. He's an administrator, yet he ignores Wikipedia policy, and thwarts those people who are trying to follow Wikipedia policy.Jeff Fenstermacher 06:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)