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Protection request

I noticed you protected the Gospel of the Ebionites feature article until July 15th (it is scheduled to be a TFA on July 14th). Please extend the lock until the end of that week, say July 20th. A week should be enough time for things to settle down. We had a terrible experience on the Ebionites ex-featured article. It was shredded by anons and various other "enthusiasts" for a few days after it was featured on the main page. I can't go through that again. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Bencherlite, I noticed you were actively editing today. Please respond to my request so that I know you saw it. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 00:01, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I saw your response and I understand. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 13:23, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Bencherlite

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Kafkaesqe day

Not only is Kafka TFA, today's Google Doodle is for Kafka's birthday, based on The Metamorphosis. What a Kafkaesque day, plus my three bat DYKs!! PumpkinSky talk 11:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Support, you picked the right date! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I did the easy bit. Getting the article to FA status - that was the hard bit. Well done! Bencherlite^Talk 12:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Thanks also for protecting it from well intended changes ("Pallace"). - On TFAR, I broke the rule again, no more than one suggestion at a time, - can we drop it? One more suggestion: can we hide the instructions? For both a newcomer and a frequent guest, they are in the way of getting to the nominations, the true content of that page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:TFAR#Nomination limits (14th June) - you're behind! What do you think of my solution to the instructions issue? Bencherlite^Talk 12:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I missed that improvement ;) - more thanks, and also for a good way to elegantly skip the (find a polite word) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Franz Kafka all time top TFA!!!

[1] 768,586 hits

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Most viewed

WP:TOP25

YEE HAW PumpkinSky talk 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Welsh law

Hi Bencherlite, thanks for cleaning up the mess I made at Welsh law and Cyfraith Hywel. Much appreciated. Daicaregos (talk) 12:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Paid a phoeni, dim problem o gwbl. Bencherlite^Talk 12:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wel, diolch o galon i chi. Ar y llaw/un peth arall ... I've noticed changes to editing mode, when editing an entire page (rather than just a section). Do you know of any way to revert to the previous mode, or how to circumvent the problems that creates? Daicaregos (talk) 13:04, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean WP:Visual Editor? The instructions at the top there say:

That said, if you want to suppress the extra tab, you can completely hide VisualEditor from your interface by enabling an experimental gadget: go to the gadgets tab of your preferences, scroll down to "Editing", tick the box labeled "Remove VisualEditor from the user interface", then scroll to the bottom and click "Save". You can reactivate it at any time by unticking the box.

HTH. Bencherlite^Talk 13:07, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Dyna ni. Diolch, unwaith eto. Hwyl nawr :) Daicaregos (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Croeso. And I award us each a {{Uw-english}} for speaking iaith y nefoedd here... Bencherlite^Talk 13:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Ha ha ... or in English: ha ha :) Daicaregos (talk) 16:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

TFA Issue

Hello,

I was asking for help to nominate this article for TFA and TheOriginalSoni pointed you out as you could help me. What do I have to do? Thanks! Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 17:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

TFAR instructions

Revisit the WT:FAC talk, the train thread. You should probably update your TFAR instructions and recruit some new helpers (Nikki and Gerda?). Two different people already rm'd Raul from the FAC instructions.PumpkinSky talk 20:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Ping

Can you email me urgently, if you're online, concerning the WT:FAC situation? Tony (talk) 03:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

But the urgency seems to lie with you, not Bencherlite … --Wehwalt (talk) 03:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Bencher doens't have email turned on. If he doesn't already have yours, you'll have to get it to him somehow. PumpkinSky talk 10:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Bencher: sorry I didn't get a chance to forewarn you of the RFC proposing an adjustment to the governance of featured-article forums. It was mainly the issue of whether you're coping with doing TFA by yourself, but as it happens, that matter is, I hope, covered by default in the RFC proposal. Thanks. Tony (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Replies

@Miss Bono:, @PumpkinSky:, @Tony1:, @Wehwalt: - I tend not to edit on weekends anyway (perhaps the notice at the top of the page should be more prominent), particularly not when it's the birthday weekend for one of my children; nor do I tend to be online at 4:17am local time (British Summer Time). I am busy at work today (you know, that stuff that pays the bills) and although I have had a brief look at some of the discussions that have developed since I was last online, I won't have a chance to comment on things (where appropriate) until tonight at the earliest. I hadn't realised I hadn't turned email back on after the last time I disabled it, so I'll fix that now. Thanks for your understanding, Bencherlite^Talk 09:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Tomorrow's Main Page

Excellent choice. --Dweller (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

<Bows modestly> I've emailed TMS to tell them, incidentally! Bencherlite^Talk 20:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Updating delegate history

In attempting to update the delegate history, I can't find a link for when you were appointed ... help? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

26 November 2012. Bencherlite^Talk 13:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

ah, ha ... thank you! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

protection

got a note today saying War of Bavarian Succession would on front page later this month and instructing me to make any alterations I thought necessary. Went to do this and the page is locked. Hmmmm. What to do? auntieruth (talk) 23:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) It's move protected, not edit protected. You can still make any changes you think necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Indeed, Auntieruth55, the page is move-protected up to and including its day on the main page, but it's still open to editing. Bencherlite^Talk 09:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Britten FAC

Thank you so much for spotting and remedying my dozy omission. Greatly obliged. Tim riley (talk) 14:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem. And thanks for the PR of St Nidan's. I go on holiday next week so I will probably wait for FAC until early August, after addressing your comments. Bencherlite^Talk 15:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

A mainpage groaner

See Talk:Pisco Sour; I opposed that FAC, but never got back to it while so busy. I hope the rest of the article is better than the first sentence! (Not your fault, I know, but sheesh !!!!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Happy editing

Hello Bencherlite, Eduemoni↑talk↓ has given you a shinning smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shinning Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Thanks, if I haven't said so already. Bencherlite^Talk 09:55, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Stiff competition

125th B-Day vs. 50th anniversary. Bring it on. However, it might be the case that any day during the run of the exhibition is still anniversary, although the first day is the debut.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Baffler Meal

Just to be clear, your telling me to re-create the article as I proposed in a Sandbox and have an admin move it to Baffler Meal upon completion? Did I get that right? Grapesoda22 (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, @Grapesoda22:. Bencherlite^Talk 08:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you I was just kinda confused by your wording and wanted to be sure. I'll start making the article in a few days when my own life is less hectic. Thanks for your help. Grapesoda22 (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 13, 2013

Hi! Did you mean to schedule this on the 12th, or the 13th? --Rschen7754 21:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Thanks! Bencherlite^Talk 21:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidays!!

Have a nice holiday and well deserved break! I expect to see more Anglesey churches reach GA when you return!!Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Something for when you get back

As I have been writing church articles in a Peter Vardy format (eg. St Nicholas' Church, Fulbeck), I presented to Peter a query regarding a "how to write a church article" guideline page. As you are a prolific church article creator I'd be pleased to see your views on this on Peter's talk page - User talk:Peter I. Vardy#Church name and article format convention. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 16:48, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, will drop by at some point. Bencherlite^Talk 15:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK RfC

• As a listed DYK participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat|Contributions00:21, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

want to recreate category Wikipedia Sandboxes

Years ago, you deleted Category:Wikipedia sandboxes. I would like to recreate it and make it a redirect to Category:Xn, because it would be easier to remember than the latter. (I'm developing a template that will assign articles to categories depending on conditions, there are categories to use for testing, a parent helps to find all of them, and an easy-to-remember redirect can help to find the parent. The parent Category:Xn is new but replaced a prior parent category.) I've made a similar proposal to User:Philosopher for Category:Sandboxes, partly because it also would be easier to remember. Thanks. Nick Levinson (talk) 18:29, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Bencherlite^Talk 15:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Bacon!

Hope your break was fun!

Please see DIFF.

Also, bacon. :P

— Cirt (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Conditional TFA?

I would like to propose a TFA for September 8, conditional on an occurrence:

On September 7, the IOC is going to select the host city for the 2020 Summer Olympics. The three candidate cities are Madrid, Tokyo, and Istanbul, the last of which -- as you may know -- is a featured article. If Istanbul is selected to host the games, I feel like the Istanbul article would make a great selection as TFA on September 8. So, what I would like to do, if it seems reasonable to you, is to propose Istanbul (at WP:TFA/R) as TFA on September 8 conditional on it winning the 2020 Olympics. If it's not selected (we should know by 5:30pm, Buenos Aires time [20:30 UTC]), another article (maybe one of the "emergency" articles) would be swapped in its place.

Does that seem like an acceptable idea to propose? -- tariqabjotu 15:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Interesting idea; I remember you or someone else mentioning the Olympic bid when I tried to run Istanbul earlier in the year. See what people think at WP:TFAR. Bencherlite^Talk 15:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Old Church of St Nidan, Llanidan

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Old Church of St Nidan, Llanidan. TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 14:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 14:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Hotly contested affair

Thank you for the interesting TFA on a hotly contested affair. I hope you enjoyed your time off! We were busy discussing infoboxes, and this article was mentioned as a TFA without one. Think about it. I, as a reader, see in the title that the time of the action is 1860, but I would like to see at a glance also that the action takes place in Oxford. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I did, thank you. If you would like to see at a glance that the action takes place in Oxford, then read the first sentence. I'm not sure it can be any clearer. Bencherlite^Talk 10:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I found it at second glance, after "The election in 1860 for the position of Boden Professor of Sanskrit at the University of", after "Sanskrit" took me to India ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry and sad. I don't think I said well what I meant but will not try harder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Congrats to the well-deserved promotion of "your" church! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, @Gerda Arendt:. Bencherlite^Talk 15:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 23, 2013

I've taken the liberty of rewriting the blurb to remove some of the more glaring inaccuracies (most notably a messing-up of the chronology) and to add an explanation as to why it keeps needing to be repaired. I personally think this is unsuitable for TFA and would probably fail a WP:FAR if anyone were to take it there, as since it passed FAC it's become full of bullshit—on a quick skim "the Albert Bridge" is as nonsensical as "the London Bridge" or "the Tower Bridge" and doesn't appear in a single one of the sources, "Ordish–Lefeuvre System" is a term used nowhere other than Wikipedia for the design every engineering publication calls the Ordish-Lefeuvre Principle, and West (London sub region) is a formally-defined area which decidedly does not include Chelsea—but I've no inclination to clean Wikipedia's messes up myself nor to get involved in whatever game SS is playing. – iridescent 2 23:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

@Iridescent 2: - thanks for the clean-up, and the rest of your message is duly noted. Bencherlite^Talk 15:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

When God Writes Your Love Story

Hi Bencherlite,

Ian Rose suggested that I contact you regarding submitting the When God Writes Your Love Story article for a TFA slot. The article has been promoted to featured status, but there has been a problem with the bot that processes the promotion and the article has not been given its star. I would like to submit the article to TFA, but I am concerned that the bot malfunction may prevent the blurb from being considered. What would you recommend?

Neelix (talk) 00:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Neelix:, the promotion is the important thing, not the bot adding the star. The article is at WP:FA2013 and WP:FA and WP:FANMP, so that's more than enough. Nominate at will! Bencherlite^Talk 15:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR RFC

There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• Interesting diff, if you care to pursue it: 1. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/FOURRFC

Is there truly a need to cap User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/FOURRFC. Do you mind if I uncap it. It appears to be deleted because the show/hide button is so small. People trying to figure out what the commotion is will be confused.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not even sure if I have to ask this since it is my userspace.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: - I think you do have to ask because you chose to use your userspace as the venue for an RFC, so you surrendered full control of the page at that point. I note that a discussion at WP:AN has broadly endorsed my decision to close the RFC as I did. I don't see the point in uncapping the discussion because I've yet to see anyone say, in all the subsequent discussions, that they've been unable to read the RFC that you drafted because I collapsed the discussion. In fact, I would have thought keeping that poorly worded RFC as hidden as possible was in your interests... Bencherlite^Talk 16:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Two separate people have nominated two articles I brought to FA for TFA and I've opposed. The more valid oppose is for the Dresden Triptych, [2], particularly in regards to the main image since the article about a 15th century painting (and I expect Ceoil will weigh in during the weekend if not sooner). I hope you take these into consideration. Thanks. Victoria (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Noted. Get well soon, Victoriaearle - I was sorry to see your self-requested block on my watchlist. Bencherlite^Talk 16:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is I_am_trying_to_understand_my_recourse.. Thank you.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• It seems Tony tried to notify you by writing your name... just he misspelled it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, Crisco. Bencherlite^Talk 16:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Hirnaxi karelia and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hirnaxi karelia

Hi Bencherlite. You closed the MfD at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hirnaxi karelia. Would you take a look at the pages User:Hirnaxi karelia and User talk:Hikarelia1347? Hikarelia1347 (talk · contribs), a likely sockpuppet of Hirnaxi karelia (talk · contribs), has recreated content deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hirnaxi karelia.

Please also consider revision deleting the revisions at User:Hikarelia1347 where the user reposted the deleted content and later replaced it with non-policy-violating content. (see the revision history). Thank you, Cunard (talk) 07:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Done. Bencherlite^Talk 07:44, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Omayra Sanchez

Hey there! This sentence on the main page is goofed up grammatically:

Her death highlighted the failure of officials to respond promptly to the threat of the volcano and the efforts of volunteer rescue workers despite a dearth of supplies and equipment.

It's better in the article, although the "contrasted with" could be changed to "and contrasted". Now I have to go read the full article, since the last time I encountered it, it wasn't up to snuff ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm literally only online to pay the London congestion charge as a prelude to driving to the other end of the country, and got a "new email" alert as I did so. Someone else can deal with this. Bencherlite^Talk 13:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

OK ... someone probably will ... have a great day, and yes, I had a Most Lovely Month of August! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Give comments

Hello, I was wondering if you could please give comments on my FLC? It is a older nomination.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 13:43, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

History of TFAR

Were you around when Raul first imposed the TFAR point system? PumpkinSky talk 12:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

@PumpkinSky: If I've understood the archives correctly, Raul first put forward a points system in January 2008. I was on WP but not involved at TFAR at that time. Bencherlite^Talk 14:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Yea, it was a few years ago, maybe in 2007. 2008 could well be right. The way TFAR is today is a hybrid of the old system and what it was up until recently. The only real issues that arise are when two articles are proposed for the same day. Out of an average month, what percentage of TFAs come from the TFAR process versus the ones you pick on your own? PumpkinSky talk 20:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Doing... Bencherlite^Talk 07:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Y Done See the TFAR talk page. Bencherlite^Talk 23:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thanks much for your wise intervention at Talk:Everything Tastes Better with Bacon, much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• Well, let me add to the "thank you" section--thanks for your email. Drmies (talk) 04:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Middle Ages

Why is Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 2013 showing a page from the Book of Kells for Middle Ages, but the subpage Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 12, 2013 here shows the helmet? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

September 28

Some sort of weirdness is happening at WP:FAC which may help the 2 point H. C. McNeile get the September 28 WP:TFA slot over the 5 point Whaam!. At 16:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC) my source review request grew to two weeks old. Whaam! has 6 supports and 1 neutral. Not sure what is going on. In almost all cases when a 5-pointer and a 2-pointer compete for the same date the 5-pointer gets the slot. However, somehow, the 5-pointer is being kept from competing by a delayed review. On the one hand, I really want this to get the slot on the 50th anniversary of its first exhibition. However, September 28 is a Saturday, which is a low page view day. I would prefer something like a Tuesday, where this would likely get 6-figure pageviews as many popular forms of high art do. The long and the short of it is, I want to know how soon do you anticipate scheduling September 28? What are your thoughts of closing out a 2-point article with a 5-point article in the wings? and What do you think about possibly wasting a high-page view article on a weekend when it could likely shine a good light on TFA in a primo early week slot?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

In no particular order:

• Given the length of the FAC nomination of Whaam!, I'm not surprised that potential source reviewers are staying clear of the discussion!

• Not sure, since I don't source review FACs, but to me it seems like discussion length and source issues are unrelated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Points aren't everything - if they were, then there would be no need for discussion (and as pointed out, Whaam! still has 0 points, or more accurately a "N/A" number of points, since it is not an FA (yet)).

• Of course, it has no points, but if it were to get promoted and no artworks are scheduled in the interim it will be 5 points by my estimation.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, but if the community favours a low-point article over a high-point article, that's something for me to bear in mind too. Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• If you'd rather have a date other than a Saturday, that's fine - you can just nominate it for a non-specific date slot and I'll take it as and when.

• I'd like to let the public decide.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I have the final say... Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Re your thought that Whaam would be likely to get "6-figure pageviews as many popular forms of high art do", I note that only three articles have got 6-figure page views at TFA this year (Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia, ? (film) (the 1st April TFA) and Franz Kafka, so I'm not sure what you're basing your prediction upon.

• Of my nearly 700 DYKs Drowning Girl is my 5th highest in terms of views.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• I have 9 Lichtenstein DYKs with over 5,000 views.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• The FAC interest may also indicate readership interest.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• My most viewed TFA is high art: Cloud Gate 121K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• 3 of my 4 most viewed OTDs are art.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

• In any case, and also re your thought that it would be "possibly wasting a high-page view article on a weekend", potential page views aren't relevant to me - I don't select or reject nominations based on how many page views they might get and that has never been a factor in the points system (for instance), nor do I recall anyone supporting or opposing on the grounds of high or low potential page views. If page views were a factor, I'd probably never schedule mushrooms, plants, hurricanes, minor historical figures... etc

• O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• In any case (2), a run through the 2013 figures shows that Saturday TFAs on average get more hits than a Friday! (21,880 vs 21,720); FWIW, Wednesday seems to be the best day this year, even leaving out as a potential "rogue result" Kafka with its gazillion page views and the 1st April TFA (which always does well). Last year, Tuesdays were best and Sundays beat Mondays. Make of that what you will. 4 of the top 10 page hits for TFAs last year were at the weekend, 2 this year - it really depends on the article.

• The preferred dates for my two Lichtensteins are Tuesdays. I think Mondays and Tuesdays have the highest readerships.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Wrong answer! Monday was the second-worst day on average last year, Tuesdays are only fourth-best this year. Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• You are talking about TFA page views. I am talking about WP overall. Due to the small sample size, it is difficult to say what days are really the best without conditioning on which pages have been run. If you have run a bunch of Mushrooms on Tuesdays this year, it might not seem like the optimal day. I think the day with the most WP viewers is the best day to run it. Come to think of it, you could look at main page page views. There does not seem to be much difference according to the stat tool. Hmm. that is surprising. I thought I remembered a WP:POST article from a year or two ago saying that on WP Saturday and Sunday had something like half or two-thirds the viewers of weekdays.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I try to schedule about 2 weeks ahead, although this can vary between 1 and 3 weeks depending on how busy I am in real life / how active the TFAR page is.

• If possible, it would be good if this had a few days to compete for the Sept 28 slot. The point system is there for a reason and we are suppose to prefer 5-pointers to 2-pointers. Don't know if you can wait until 1 week or so.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I will schedule as and when I am ready to do so - I'm not going to hold off scheduling for late September as and when I get there (last current date scheduled is 15th Sept at the time of writing) just because you say you want to compete for the Sept 28 slot (particularly as you're also saying that you might not want that date because it's a Saturday and you prefer Tuesdays!) Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• By the way, did you notice that I chose Look Mickey on Feb 21, 2013 to coincide with the Tate retrospective? Bencherlite^Talk 01:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Overlooked the connection. Good job. Wish I had thought about rendering the titular exclamation's letters for that one so we would have had a picture. I wasted a good one.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Note on Kafka (re: gazillion page views). It was linked on Google too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• How often have we had main page runs synchronous with Google Doodles?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I have no idea; I suspect the chances of the TFA hitting the same choice as Google are very low, given the self-imposed rules we work to (only FAs, no repeats, etc). Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I knew that the Google Doodle on google.de was Kafkaesque, as it were, but I don't think the google.co.uk page had a doodle or a link - did google.com or others link to the article? Bencherlite^Talk 01:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• I think most of the Googles had it. A couple sites covered it: Time and The Guardian — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• @Crisco 1492: I found this which lists the versions of Google that had the Kafkoodle. The UK was left out :-( Bencherlite^Talk 18:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oh darn. Guess I saw it because I usually log into google.ca (on .co.id I wouldn't have seen it). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Tony, just so we're clear - I'm not saying I won't run Whaam! on your preferred date, I'm not saying I will run it on your preferred date, I'm not saying I'm going to choose H. C. McNeile, I'm not making anyone any promises at all about what I'll schedule or when I'll schedule. Points are important but they're not everything; similarly, views expressed at TFAR at important but they're not everything. I am prepared to run low or negative point articles in some circumstances and to reject TFAR supported nominations in favour of my own choice in other circumstances. If we reach a stage where both Whaam! and McNeile are asking for the same date, then we can see what people say and also see whether there is some room for compromise - sometimes in such situations one of the articles runs a day "early" or "late" and sometimes that sort-of fits in with different time zones. We will see. Hope this helps. Bencherlite^Talk 02:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The Boys from Baghdad High

Hi Bencherlite - Thank you for your appreciation of my work on this article. You may have noticed that User:Nikkimaria has reverted the changes. This user has become obsessed with the idea that removal from citations of useless information such as publisher=Guardian Media Group for The Guardian or location=New York for the New York Times is some sort of crime that cannot be allowed, and follows me around reverting such changes (and much else besides), always with an undescriptive innocent-sounding edit summary (in this case simply "fmt"). I'm fed up with dealing with this idiocy - if you agree my changes were beneficial, please go ahead and reinstate them. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sort-of halfway between the two of you. I don't see the point of adding that the Washington Post is published in Washington DC or the New York Times is in New York - and in fact the notes at {{cite web}} say "place: Geographical place of publication; generally not wikilinked; omit when the name of the work includes the location; examples: The Boston Globe, The Times of India." But some of the other information is unobjectionable, I think, so I've half-done things. Bencherlite^Talk 09:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this. The notes at cite web also say "publisher: Name of publisher; may be wikilinked if relevant. Not normally included for periodicals." (my italics), for the very good reason that such information has no value at all to anyone chasing down a reference (except perhaps in the case of really obscure publications); definitely none for newspaper and magazines notable enough to have their own WP article. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Create protection of Kok Boris

I'm assuming that this was just an oversight. You've marked the salting as done at WP:RPP, but then neglected to actually salt the article. Thanks for all your help in dealing with the latest 089baby sock. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, too many tabs open at the same time! I've sprinkled 2 years of salt on it and the redirect (Boris Kok) for good measure. Thanks for checking up on me! Bencherlite^Talk 00:06, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

The older I get, the better things were ...

I'm not that old. - No, you're not. But I gotta tell ya: There are times when I feel that old ... Pdfpdf (talk) 12:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't people have the liberty to express their opinions around you?

Why did you insist on removing all the comments (not just mine) about glamourizing the worst kinds of despicable people by displaying aesthetically pleasing pictures of them on the Main Page. I'm serious, this is NOT a flame! You repeatedly insisted on removing (my) comments, even after they were moved to the appropriate place. I'm very curious about your motivation. If it is some kind of policy, I can only plead ignorance because I make an effort in my life to conform to others' guidelines when it is their yard I'm playing in, so to speak.108.57.63.134 (talk) 13:44, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment from a talk page stalker: to the best of my knowledge, there is no policy for either addition or removal of said image. Some fairly despicable people have had decent images (i.e. not mugshots) on the main page (individuals of a worse sort than the would-be assassin), and it is not as a form of support or endorsement, but rather that's what's available. Also, you may want to consult WP:NOTCENSORED which isn't quite the same as our issue, but may help you understand why images such as the one you object to are still shown. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

28 September TFA

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Hi Bencherlite, Sorry to bring something so trite to your talk page, but I am withdrawing my nom for the 28 September front page, despite having waited the last six months to list it on McNeile's 125th birthday.The reasoning is simple: Whaam was promoted today and Tony has listed for that date. No problems so far, but he has then inappropriately posted to the talk pages of all those who were good enough to take the time to support me in the first place: to Dr Blofeld; to Cirt; to Cassianto; to Casliber; to Crisco 1492; and to Andrew Gray. All this was followed by canvassing of others (individuals and various projects) for support for Whaam (see the edit history with those summaries "‎WP:TFAR nomination of Whaam!". Although I feel McNeile has an excellent claim to be on the front page on that date, I foresee further unwarranted and unnecessary actions in the same vein and do not wish to become remotely connected to it. I will re-post the nom in for a non-specific date and be happy that the article appears there anyway, although Tony's actions have left a rather poor taste in my mouth over this. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

@SchroCat:, I would ask that you reconsider. Imzadi 1979 → 08:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

• (watching) Sorry, I missed the whole conflict so far. I think the biography has more reason to appear that certain day, because the art exhibition ran "from September 28 to October 24, 1963", - of course the opening is desirable, but why not one of the other days? (Such a thing happened to battles.) You know what I think about automatism of point math, - how about reasoning instead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm leaning to supporting the birthday one, but could someone fill in more details? Something doesn't sit right with me on this one. PumpkinSky talk 09:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

• SchroCat Please reread WP:CANVASS and recheck each diff you are showing. Telling people that there are drastic changes regarding a topic of interest to them is a service not a CANVASS. Telling them that there are two choices is not a CANVASS unless I tell them which to choose. Also note that notifying a project about a TFA nom counts as Wikipedia:CANVASS#Appropriate_notification if there was a TFA drive on the topic. A 12-week TFA drive and an eventual TFA nomination are related topics. You are being quite a poor sport.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:05, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all the messages. As I've said at WT:TFAR, I've only just logged on so I'll read through and see what if anything I can do / suggest. Bencherlite^Talk 12:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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New Wales Coast Path WikiProject

I see you're a member of WikiProject Wales and have contributed to Welsh articles. There's a new project, Llwybrau Byw!|Living Paths! under development which you might be able to contribute to. Lonely Planet rated the coast of Wales "the best region on Earth" in 2012, yet there is a very low number of articles on the history and culture of places along the Coastal Path and the many and various activities and attractions. This promises to be an exciting project as it gathers momentum with many Users joining in. Let's make this WikiProject, like the path itself, the best on earth! Cymrodor (talk) 08:24, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Hehe

hehe -- [3] :) equazcion ^(talk) 12:41, 10 Sep 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Moswento -- Moswento (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

When God Writes Your Love Story

Hi Bencherlite,

Because you have been involved in discussions surrounding the When God Writes Your Love Story article, I thought that you should be notified of the article's current featured article review. Any constructive comments you would be willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

OOPS!

THIS is highly embarrassing. I do apologise. That was something I should have already been aware of! =/ → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 01:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog

The article St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:St Michael's Church, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Moswento -- Moswento (talk) 10:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Joe's Null Bot task 2 restarted

First run should be at 00:15 UTC. Cheers! --j⚛e decker^talk 20:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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