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Wikipedia Forever!

I think that in the spirit of our current fund drive banner, which in fact contains no link and serves solely as a statement, we should create a people's movement or perhaps a guerilla uprising: sanctioned with the task of maintaining this great Encyclopedia in the face of the dark world leaders who presumably seek to crush and abolish our beloved Wiki. We shall fight from the underground, valiant and steadfast, securing the freedom and longevity of our aforementioned beloved Wiki, and all shall remember our cry of... freedom! WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

We must create a project page and begin recruiting memembers at once! We already have a banner, a slogan, a core. We just need a secret place of meeting and perhaps a {{humor}} tag and the movement begins!

Your fellow in Wikipreservation, Some guy (talk) 07:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm ten days late and they must have gotten it straightened out. Sorry that I missed this wiki-blooper. I hope to get back to the project...thanks for the humor.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop

As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome.

For the Arbitration Committee,
Risker (talk) 08:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Will look in a few days when I have the time if it is still happening. Busy schedule.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Au Sable Light

This needs this Coast Guard photo. Thanks. Hope you are doing well. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Never mind. My mistake. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Michigan City East Light

Undated historic coast guard photo. Help, please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Rock of Ages Light vs. Rock of Ages Lighthouse

See the discussion. Needs a redirect. Hope all is well. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Will look at on Monday, I hope. Just checking in and miss being here. Hectic schedule and workload but hanging in there....
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Look forward to having you back. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Y Created redirect from Rock of Ages Lighthouse to this article.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the helping hand. Barek says he can't get tot the loc pin issue in the NHRP infobox. It's got to be wrong. Any help you can muster would be apprecaited. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Great Lakes Maritime History website

FYI, you might be interested in Great Lakes Maritime History website. Happy Thanksgiving. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Historic postcard images

Huelse, Klaus -- Meine Leuchtturm-Seite: Leuchttürme USA auf historischen Postkarten -- Historic postcard images of U.S. lighthouses, Historic Post Card Views. There are many incredible lighthouses from all over the world. The downside is that I cannot figure out how he names these cards, and absent finding them at Russ Rowlett Lighthouse directory (which occasionally has proper links), I can't find the links for particular lighthouses. As an example, there are more than a dozen Michigan lights, including really old cards for such disappeared historic lights as Belle Isle Light, Windmill Point Light and Mama Juda Light. Has a really good picture of the Harbor Beach Light, Old Mackinac Point Light and Bay City Lighthouse, for example. Would be great to be able to put links into our articles. I know he gives Rowlett permission and the links (Rowlett and some other site note that occasionally). Any thoughts would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Esteemed editor Jameslwoodward suggested that I right click on the image - full size, not the thumb - and click on "Properties". The URL will come up. It worked like this: Huelse, Klaus -- Meine Leuchtturm-Seite: Leuchttürme USA auf historischen Postkarten -- Historic postcard images of U.S. lighthouses, Historic Post Card View of Harbor Beach Light. Thanks for the help. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Indiana Harbor East Breakwater Light

BH, Undated U.S. Coast Guard Photo of prior Indiana Harobr Light. Needs this picture of the prior light. Know you are busy. Hope all is going well. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Dramaout

Hi! As you have expressed an interest in the initial The Great Wikipedia Dramaout, you're being notified because we are currently planning another one in January! We hope to have an even greater level of participation this time around, and we need your help. If you're still interested please sign up now at Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd. Thanks, and Happy Holidays! JCbot (talk) 04:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Question

Did you get the word "Berean" from the Bible? Because it appears in Acts 17:13: "But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people." By the way cool storm trooper Prettyflowers1 (talk) 22:54, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but it is less about stirring up people and more "to reflect the words in Acts 17, "These (Berea) were more noble than those in Thessalonica in that they received the word with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so."
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA/2

Just a quick reminder that the Second Great Wikipedia Dramaout has begun. Please log any work you do at Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd/Log. Good luck! --Jayron32 02:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Frances Cole

Hi BH, good to hear from you again. Thanks for the heads up -you see now why I've been avoiding Ripper-related articles. The tags explain it all quite clearly...quite clearly out of copyright. Best wishes Jack1956 (talk) 18:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I heard a reference to Monday non-believers today on the radio..

And tried my best to carry forward the information as best I could into the monday page. Just curious as to why you reverted it so quickly and without any reason for it?

Can you please re-read it and let me know?

Thanks ````Jason —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.106.6.3 (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

It's unsourced, non-notable and (no disrespect to you) just plain stupid.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 09:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Custer + Child Story

Hello Berean Hunter - Your edit summary for your reversion of the GAC/Tom Custer child edit (which BTW is not one of mine) reads "Ummm, no way. This BS is not in the source, it is vandalism...how can a younger brother be his father??"

Your question indicates that you need at least to re-read the reverted section, which is about the child that GAC allegedly fathered by Cheyenne captive Monaseetah. The last two sentences you rv'd read "Cheyenne oral history tells that she also bore a second child, fathered by Custer in late 1869. Some historians, however, believe that Custer had become sterile after catching gonorrhea while at West Point and that the father was in actuality his brother Thomas." The passage does not assert as you imply it does that Tom Custer was the father of GAC; its slightly ambiguous "the father" clearly refers to the child in question, not to GAC himself.

The fact that the editor who added that passage misattributes it to Utley (who does discuss GAC's marriage and the rumored child on page 107) does not render any single element of the edit vandalism. GAC's gonorrhea and the overwhelming likelihood that it rendered him sterile is a fact that appears in virtually every WP:RS about him - try Jeffery Wert here on pp. 34 and 35 [1] and Bleser and Gordon here on p. xviii [2]. Wert alludes with sourcing to the rumor that Tom Custer may have fathered Monaseetah's second child in Wert on p. 288.

The existence of the child and the ongoing controversy regarding its paternity has been discussed at length on the Talk page for this article - note sections 24 and 36. The failure of editor 216.114.219.111 to cite a proper source certainly needs to be corrected - but neither GAC's gonorrhea nor Monaseetah's child nor Tom Custer's possible paternity of it nor the integrity of the "Cheyenne oral tradition" (which was vetted also on the Talk page) constitute in any way either BS or vandalism. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Mea culpa! I did misread what was being written. You are absolutely right. Thank you for pointing it out and I apologize for my misunderstanding. Also, thank you for letting me correct it myself. You're a good man, Charlie Brown. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, BH - no apology necessary at all - clearly a good faith misreading that I was trying respectfully to address as such. I knew that it must have been because I know your work here from a large number of other articles and it is consistently constructive in trying to keep/make the frequently messy Wikipedia a real encyclopedia. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

re: Thank you

My pleasure :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Archery}} styling

I've left a comment on this template's talk page regarding the overriding of the default styling on this navbox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:USLighthouseSources

Template:USLighthouseSources has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Layout guidelines

Hi Berean Hunter, I think you are referring to this edit, where I moved the see also section *before* the references section, as can be clearly seen by this edit. I know that it might be a bit hard to tell in this case due to the fact that the see qalso section is much smaller than the references section, but I moved the sections in the right order;. Graham87 01:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. Graham87 12:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Marmiton River

Hi Hal,

Here is one that I see you haven't visited before and thought that you might have beneficial input/knowledge. Looks minimal at the present. I didn't think there too many ACW articles that you haven't contributed to. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I guess you have not noticed that I spend very little time on the Civil War west of the Mississippi River -- just one of my time-saving tips. :-) I think there have been a few people working on the Price's Raid articles. The only intersection of interest that I have is that I am in the (slow) process of improving William S. Rosecrans's biography and he was the commander in Missouri at the time. Hal Jespersen (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ulysses S. Grant lead

I will attempt to combine the paragraphs together. I am not sure if the summary can be reduced anymore then it is. If any sentences can be deleted, without context vaccumm, I will look into changing. {Cmguy777 (talk) 05:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)}

Flags of the Confederate States of America

Hi Berean (if I may). I think there's some misunderstanding about the "See also" links that I've added and modified in the article on the Flags of the Confederate States of America. Since the topic of the article is flags of a political entity against which the United States was engaged in war, links to articles on other flags (especially war flags) representing other political entities against which the US was subsequently engaged in war will be of interest to readers of the article. Given the different nature of the Korean and Vietnam Wars (which were themselves primarily civil wars) and the nature of US involvment in them, I didn't include links to articles on those flags, but if you can think of any others, the addition of links to articles on analagous flags would be helpful to the reader. A second, close connection will be of interest to readers of this article: an article on flags of a political entity against which the United States was engaged in war, flags which then after the war carried (in the minds of some) racial overtones, and the display of which is (rightly or wrongly) controversial in contemporary society, but nevertheless employed by musicians (especially of a certain genre) and in popular culture (e.g., to signal a character who is supposed to be of a particular stereotype). Given all of these extremely close parallels, a link to the article on the Flag of Nazi Germany is indeed related and anyone interested in either the military, racial, or societal aspects of the flags of the Confederacy will be interested in that article as well. I know there's a stigma around both flags in both countries, but in keeping with Wikipedia's NPOV, we needn't shy away from the legitimate sociological and historical comparison that readers of the article will expect. Sorry, too, for the long explanation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.200.60 (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I disagree as I see your argument is synthesis...they are not linked.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 11:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Gettysburg

Hi,

Could I kindly request you to redact the personal attack placed in this diff? As with the contributor you're commenting on, your own isn't exactly helping building a better article either. Thank you. MLauba ^(Talk) 22:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

What attack? Which part are you considering an attack?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Come on. The second sentence, and your latest reply (to which he cannot respond, being presently blocked), aren't helpful in the least. I reiterate my invitation to reformulate your concerns. MLauba ^(Talk) 22:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my first question was to find out whether "pissant" or "trifling" was being viewed as an attack...wasn't trying to be evasive.

...but they were helpful comments weren't they? The molly-coddling he has received for the last year hasn't worked. I don't want him encouraged any in the least. He's intentionally trolling and people speaking nicely to him hasn't worked. I'm speaking the truth in my comments to him. A pissant is someone who does a lot of complaining but little real work. He's bothering those that do work....and it has been going on for about a year. He exhausted good faith.

I don't make it a habit of getting onto people but it is necessary some of the time.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to matter. I answered the phone and when I came back found that you had decided for me....I do appreciate your efforts and understand that you were being helpful.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I did. It is a bit difficult to deal with a battling user in fairness while leaving text standing that would, upon his return, only produce further unconstructive bickering. While I do share most of your concerns, and WP:AGF is no suicide pact, we can at least wait and see if he intends to stick to his promise to stay away from that particular topic. If not, his past behaviour quite clearly shows that he will be shooting himself in the foot alone, without anyone else having to leave the high road.

Given the circumstances, I hope you'll forgive me for having taken the necessary steps directly, but I really would hate to have your edits become part of his unblock request. Enjoy the peace while it lasts :) MLauba ^(Talk) 23:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you...that's fine. I agree with the redaction. No problem here. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

<===

I responded to a help request from Valkyrie Red (talk · contribs) about this, prior to them being blocked, and so I do feel I should add something here. Considering your acceptance of the redaction, I'm happy to just leave this note, advising you to be more cautious in the future - it often helps to simply not respond at all for a bit, giving time before responding in the heat of the moment. I understand your saying that you have no wish to interact with them, however, it does take two people to make an argument; your statements were all directed at the person. The other editor has been pointed to Wikipedia:NOTTHEM and although you've not been blocked (and I don't think it necessary), I do suggest you consider the principle of it. I recommend a read (or re-read) of Wikipedia:No angry mastodons, and I hope this incident is concluded. Thanks, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF">  Chzz </span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; "> ► </span>]]</span></small> 06:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Michael H. Belzer

Berean, Please tweak. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

Y Done. :) ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers! 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

Gordon Thomas (politician)

Tweaks please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Y Done. :) ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Three hares

Berean, I'm kind of out of ideas here, except for possibly putting in a separate section on Buddhism. I've taken this about as far as I can. Please take a look. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

I'll have to come back to this one when I have more time.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Protected Areas of Michigan

I made an addition and screwed it up. Help please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Stan Fixed. The only question remaining is whether to link to another article in the template. See Barek's talk page. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

Thank you

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		In recognition of your work in this now completed CCI. Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Hard to believe it took almost a year to wrap, but that one was particularly grueling. :) Your work there is appreciated! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Glad to be of service! :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia search

I tred your recommendation from you home page. This is very cool. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

Which recommendation? (eyes glazed over from IT admin work)

I need to update to make FOSS suggestions. I can recommend a lot of truly free (like beer!) software for cross-platform use...@#$%! More thunder. Storms hitting every day and keep driving me off every time I try to get anything done...back later, I hope.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia search for Mozilla. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

Robert E LEE article download

Mr. Hunter: Your response to my post is acknowledged and appreciated. I can SEE ALL segments of this article on the webpage but when I download the article those mentioned segments are BLANK. Each segment can be brought up individually AS SEPARATE PAGES, but such then do not appear in their alloted frames in the original download of the entire article.

The exact same defect appears in a download of the current article on ABRAHAM LINCOLN, with certain frames in their proper locations on the webpage, but BLANK on a download.

Do you have any suggestion on a remedy? I will check back on this talk page often over the next seven days.

Again, your ideas are APPRECIATED! THANKS! 71.60.245.234 (talk) 05:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)Carl Howe

Which browser are you using? I suspect it is in the settings on your configuration. That said, I suggest you look at the free tool Wget which will certainly do the job. It is what I use. Hope that helps,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

dramaout

I see you have signed up! Consider notifying 3 good editors of this to encourage more participation. Perhaps saying

I am participating in this. Please consider doing the same! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Great_Wikipedia_Dramaout/3rd#Participating_Wikipedians Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I will do that. I do know some good editors.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:00, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 05:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

DramaOut

Good to hear from you again. Will be delighted to assist. I will have a bit of a read through when I have a minute or two. Thanks for the invite. Jack1956 (talk) 19:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Wilkommen! ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

downloading articles

B. HUNTER, You very kindly left me a response to my comment on the ROBERT E LEE page about downloading articles and certain portions BEING BLANK IN THE DOWNLOAD, while such DO APPEAR in the WEBPAGE.

Now, the same defect is happening in other articles I download! You suggested it might be on my end. YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT, with it happening in other cases!

Could you PLEASE be more specific with any suggestion as to cause and/or remedy?

I will provide more data so you can get to me directly, PLEASE!

THANKS SO VERY MUCH! If you don't have LD, send me an email with your details and I will contact you.

Carl Howe carlehowe@comcast.net; 412/203-1512(has voicemail) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.245.234 (talk) 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Which browser are you using? Microsoft Internet Explorer or Firefox or something else? Assuming that you are running Windows, then you should consider visiting this site and downloading & installing the complete package for WGET.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

*

TFOWR suggested this for you.

		The 3rd Anti-Drama Barnstar
		Awarded for participating in the 3rd Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Thanks for participating to reduce drama during the festival!

Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy to contribute.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Assuming Bad Faith Warning.

This comment [[3]] is way out of line. How can I self promote something I have no connection with[[4]]? Maybe you haven't seen it, I'm a editor in good standing for one and a half year, I am a autopatroll user, autoreview and reviewer. I find your comments offensive. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

You should have asked whether the comment addresses you...it does not. I have no problem with you ==> you ARE a good editor. :) I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about you; I know you wrote the stub but what happened yesterday has nothing to do with you. Check the article history as well as this sockpuppetry case to find out what is going on, please. I have not acted in bad faith.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 12:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, All I saw was the article was being used and created for self promotion. That was definitely not my purpose. I like to read newspapers and when I see things like that I write stubs. Apoligies all around.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Accepted. No problem, I knew it was all a misunderstanding. Enjoy your day,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Stunt Double

Hi BH, good to hear from you. Thanks for the 'heads up'...no doubt someone jealous of my success! Jack1956 (talk) 15:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Apology

It's me again, Valkyrie Red. I assure I am a changed man, and I don't intend on editing Gettysburg for a long time. However, I still remember that rude comment you said to me, and I only ask that you apologize for it. After that, you'll never hear from me again.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 00:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

"I assure I am a changed man,..."

Is that why you changed your name to Abl3igail?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Since I was already banned for it, I might as well say it. Abl3igail was a sockpuppet I used months ago on the Gettysburg article. Like I said, I am a changed man. That was a long time ago.

Now please, do answer my original request, and I shall bother you no more.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 19:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

You're still clueless or you would be explaining that you understood that you have been a nuisance and a detriment to Wikipedia...instead of pestering people. If you're changed then you wouldn't be trying to get apologies for which none is owed...worse, you're trying to obligate people into it. During your blocks, people kept pointing out WP:NOTTHEM to you. Either you are as dense as a box of rocks or most likely, you are doing what you do on purpose knowing you're being a pissant and gaming the system. Editing on the Wiki isn't for you. You're cluelessness is found in your recent general canvassing here, and in the fact that even after your sockpuppetry cases that you have continued using IP numbers. You are also User:173.95.138.76 and have been socking at Talk:Characters of Smallville#New Categories (leading to the "Proposal" topic below) as well as Talk:Trojan War where you attempt to restart the picture issue that you lost in May. It's disruptive, kid. But you know that....so piss off! No one cares what you have to say.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused

I don't get what you have against that link. I came across the site in question while surfing the web this morning for more information after I read this article, and I learned more from that site than from all the Wikipedia articles on the topic combined. Jr mcalasatar (talk) 15:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. Discussion is the correct thing to do. I don't have a personal problem with the link but it has been placed on a ban list previously and enforced by User:XLinkBot (an automated bot). You might successfully make the points for inclusion but the venue for that is User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList#Proposed_removals. State your case there and a clerk will look up the reason why it was banned to start with and you might get this reversed. It needs to be removed from the XLinkBot list first.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Got the concern addressed on the LinkBot page. Thanks again. Jr mcalasatar (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

To destroy the biggest source of plagiarism in the world,

Hello Berean, My name is Jack Dugan, my user name is bunniesgohop, And i am dedicated, or setupon, destroying wikipedia, it doesn't matter how long it takes, but wiki is becoming a monster, i will destroy it, adding absurd amounts of information until all the servers that host wikipedia lag out into nonexistence, have a good day, and good luck :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.140.244.2 (talk) 16:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Why try to destroy it? What has the Wiki done to you?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Tamale

Let me first thank you for your highly patronizing message!

"Welcome and thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test on the page Tamale worked, and it has been reverted or removed."

But, let me assure you, I am not "testing" or "experimenting" on anything. I only changed the years to set the earlier year first, as is the normal way of writing time spans. In the case of BCE, this naturally means that the larger number comes in front of the smaller.

I would claim that this is a consistent standard, and can easily be witnessed on many articles related to ancient history, such as this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.32.37 (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The message you received has select language chosen to to prevent altercations. I make no apology for that but for the reversion, I do. Mea culpa, I misread your edit. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Note on User pages

ok,thank you. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 19:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I should also mention it feels a bit like an edit audit or checkuser situation since you apparently looked at my edits going back over 3 years; can you please tell me why you would have been doing that? Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious? :) Having a "2" appended to your username leads one to think that you are using a doppelganger account but it wasn't stated as such. I looked back to see if you might have been using both at the same time and saw your first edit on your current userpage and realized that you had just experienced a small difficulty and nobody else caught it so that they could assist you back then. In view of the current ArbCom elections, one of the candidates had his old account hijacked under a similar situation and we wouldn't want that to happen to anyone else.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

ok, thanks for the explanation, it makes perfect sense and I learned a new word too; "doppelganger". Good hunting. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 00:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Naughty Pharmas

Hi! It just looked a little too neat for altruism. The giveaway is within the "doctors only" portal, which contains a puff for a single anti-psoriatic - and guess whose? Only then did I notice the small, vagued-out print at the bottom of every page. Sneaky. Haploidavey (talk) 15:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll be able to revert it the next time they try...and with all that work into the site, they probably will.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

USS Indianapolis (CA-35)

I managed to mangle a cite. Please help. Happy Thanksgiving. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:06, 26 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

 Done ---Got it. A late Happy Thanksgiving..now Happy Leftovers Day!
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 12:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Elad Peled

I removed the prod tag you placed on Elad Peled as it was discussed at AfD in August 2007. Compliance with policy/procedure is the only reason I did this; I have no prejudice against opening another AfD. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 04:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. :) I saw that discussion but reckoned that no one in the discussion actually worked on the article after that to actually do anything about it. I'm looking for significant details about what they did. The most important stuff should be in the lead section. Why is Peled important? What did he do? I don't mean his rank or positions held but what actions or words may be attributed to him that make him more than a warm body in uniform. If I knew myself, I would write it in but I don't know about him. I'm hoping my actions prompt something constructive to either make them better articles or we need to lighten our load if we aren't going to address improvements. If you can improve it then there might not need to be an AfD.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Husayn al-Shami

Hi there, I noticed you placed a prod on Husayn al-Shami saying he wasn't notable. But I also know that you didn't comply with WP:BEFORE and "...make a good-faith attempt to confirm that such sources don't exist" because it took me approximately 20 seconds to find a newspaper article specifically about him. His position, as the head financier of Hezbollah, also is pretty close to making him automatically notable. Thanks--TM 14:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, what comes to mind is WP:BLP1E, and seeing that he hasn't had any coverage since that time, it would seem to apply that he lacks notability regardless of having one newspaper article. Is there significant coverage that you can find? I ran into problems with recognizing him (or not) through alternate spellings and didn't look very deeply because of it.. Is this the same person as Hajj Hussein Al Shami?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, man!

Gallery is a big layout improvement. Really nice to have them all next to each other for quick comparison (vice scattered). Also stops the messing up of bulleted points. TCO (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad to help.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Smkovalinsky

What do you think of this user? bctwriter (talk · contribs)   Will Beback  talk  20:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Definitely a COI, paid editor as witnessed by his admission here that he writes for the organizations whose articles he's contributing to. This is one that I noted to watch but do not have enough evidence to necessarily tie in (yet) to the gnosis crew. I have previously reviewed his edits (within the last week). Worth watching.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of page: Mordechai Peron

Per the notice you posted on my user page, I want to remove the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice and register my contention of notability (nine years' tenure in the sociopolitically influential position of IDF Chief Military Rabbi followed by 12 years as Chief Rabbi of Zurich) - but I don't see where this template is located! Please advise. -- Deborahjay (talk) 15:27, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The template was removed five days ago and there is nothing to contest at this point.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I see. My confusion had stemmed from searching the Talk:Mordechai Peron edit history where I'd anticipated finding the proposed-deletion template, whereas the activity was all documented in the Edit History of the subject page itself, which I've since read. -- Deborahjay (talk) 17:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Western Sharpshooters

Dear Berean. I know you are one of the folks editing my recent contributions to the Western Sharpshooters (14th Mo/66th IL). I have been researching in the IL and MO State Archives. Much of the scanty previously published information about the unit is incorrect. The official Name of the Missouri incarnation of the unit was "Western Sharpshooters-14th Missouri Volunteers". They were such an early unit that they didn't even have "Infantry" in their name when the officers were commissioned. As an Illinois unit, they were officially designated "66th Illinois Volunteer Infantry Regiment (Western Sharpshooters). The WSS appelation was approved by Illinois Gov Yates after a personal request by letter from Colonel Burke. Later, the unit name was changed to 66th Illinois Veteran Volunteer Infantry Regiment (Western Sharpshooter) in recognition of the majority of members reenlisting in late 1863-early 1864. I look forward to further discussions about this important regiment. V/R, James — Preceding unsigned comment added by WSS Regt Historian (talk • contribs) 02:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I haven't checked the OR yet or the National Park Service to see what they call the regiment. Those are the correct sources to use. Nobody outside the Union Army has a say so in the matter (despite what governors thought), so we need to use the official name from the OR (whatever that name is). Loosely, the 1st & 2nd US Inf Regt were called "Berdan's sharpshooters" but there is nothing official about that name, if you see what I mean.

Btw, I'm glad you have decided to edit and glad you answered the question about the men paying for their rifles. I guess the "we'll pay your expenses" thing didn't fly when Halleck got involved (he was good at screwing things up for people).
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 03:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

...also, you should read WP:SOLDIER to learn the notability of military people as far as Wiki is concerned. Ranks lower than general only get articles under certain circumstances. Simply commanding the WSS may not be enough.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 03:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Dear Berean, thanks for your attention. I have been drawing the unit designation from the original War Department Documents, the Official Orders of the IL and MO Adjutant Generals, and the commissions issued by the state governments. They were all fairly consistent during the actual war years. Both Missouri...and to a lesser extent Illinois...seems to have understood the importance of allowing the specialized multi-state unit to continue its organizational Identity.

As we approach the Sesquicentennial, it is important to recover the (well documented but ignored) history of this important specialized unit, and I am trying to make that happen. Thank you for your assistance.

As to the importance of Burke, I would argue that he is important enough for inclusion, both for his participation in pre-was unionist conspiracy in St. Louis (with Frank Blair and the St. Louis Committee for Public Safety), his later command (as military "commandant") of the Corinth-Ft Davies Mississippi region, as an acting Brigadier, mainly because of the fact that he is the man who actually made the Western Sharpshooters an elite unit. Before he arrived in Corinth, they were talented marksmen and fighters. After he shaped them up, they were real soldiers, and good ones. I will hopefully work my way through his biography in the next few days. Thanks, James

Campbell deserves mention for other reason, as he is an example of the political tensions that occasionally threatened to tear the unit apart. In the interests of WIKIPEDIA's policy against invective, I have restrained my report to the plain facts of his records, which speak for themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WSS Regt Historian (talk • contribs) 14:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing the article develop. If I can be of assistance, don't hesistate to ask.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia lost a good one

Kbthompson was an excellent Wikipedian and with his passing will be sorely missed. We need more like him.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:99.123.4.84

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as User talk:99.123.4.84, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. CSLoomis (talk) 06:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, er,...what? I think you may have missed the mark with this one.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 12:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is a complete mistake. A wrong button was clicked. I was trying to report to report to Wikipedia:AIV and had clicked delete instead. I had removed the tag from the users page but forgot to take it off of your. I am sorry for the mistake CSLoomis ( talk | contribs ) 21:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Happens to all of us every now and then. Enjoy your Christmas. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

w

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World War One - Battle of Loos

Well, give us a reliable source too, the one given as footnote is not really readable. And seriously, as I said before who one can consider as victory an offensive with no gain at the end ? 86.197.143.233 (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Unreadable? It says, "Finally came the battle of Loos on Sept. 25, which can even now be hardly said to have finished, but which certainly has been a British victory, involving a gain of ground, prisoners, and guns."
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I certainly misreaded the link. But can you explain to me that point of view from this website (http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/loos.htm) which seems to be a serious one, does not look like to be a victory when we can read, "The British failure at Loos contributed to Haig's replacement of French as Commander-in-Chief at the close of 1915." ? Well it seems a consensus on this battle is needed and more looking at the same article in others languages; most of them call it a german victory. 86.197.143.233 (talk) 15:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That website would not qualify as a reliable source. Scroll down to the very bottom where you see that the author lists it as original material. Unless he is a noted author, historian or some other form of expert which is recognized by the community, his material is no good to Wikipedia. You may be missing what I'm actually objecting to...you had changed the word "victory" to "offensive". Are you trying to argue that it wasn't a battle but instead a campaign? Offensive is not a consistent term for battles with our Infobox. Please see the documentation for reference. If you're wanting to argue that it wasn't a victory that's fine...you will need to discuss that with other editors on the article talk page.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Are these docs wikipedia worthy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosh_Agarwal Thomas Diflo Deborah Axelrod Any doctor that appears - and there about 50 plus or more when you type the words Dr. weill into the wikipedia search engine such as Antonio Gotto Thanks for your help Chumleychat (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi i'm bob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.202.61 (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

re Paul Vitale

Right. I don't know why I didn't just nominate the article for deletion then - perhaps I figured that that, since he meets WP:GNG (I guess), and since meeting GNG is good enough for a lot of people, he would pass the AfD. But on consideration I don't think that this is true.

In addition, he had a page at Wikiquotes which was (in my opinion) more spamming. It was deleted per this discussion (and, according to this, the exact same page had had to be deleted in 2007.)

In my nomination there, I said that this Wikiquote page was created by "the same person" who created the Paul Vitale page on Wikipedia, based on the contents of this Wikiquote user page. So I will make a note of that at the COI thread that you opened.

As to AfD'ing the article, this should be done (I guess after the COI investigation is complete). I will do this (if it doesn't slip my mind) or you could do it, basically using the material from the talk page.

Thanks for noticing this. Herostratus (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

(sick & running fever) Aha. That explains the intentional deception right down to the date he cleaned up his userpage to obscure his intentions. Thank you for the information. If he doesn't show at the COI thread, prodding may be a good step before AfD.

I'm uncertain how much I might be editing until I get over this bug (flu?). I'm a little stir crazy after being in bed for two days. I hope to be back on in a day or two. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Ech, flu. Here's to your swift recovery. Herostratus (talk) 01:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Apology accepted, but not necessary

The Wiki brah issue is not a no-brainer about notifying me, although most editors routinely don't. He/she is just a kid, and they're not new or original, so just deleting without discussing or notifying is generally best. They'll be outraged by someone new pretty soon--not really, as nothing he/she says or does has anything to do with wikipedia, but all to do with Wiki brah.

I'm not going to fault you for trying to act in a courteous manner, though. --Kleopatra (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I read the post late and didn't know.

(weak smile) Going to find soup and then Theraflu and back to bed before I make a mistake somewhere.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Good luck with that. --Kleopatra (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

John Fox's contract

I'm not interested in an edit war, but "fired" and "contract not renewed" are not the same thing, even if the effect is the same. Fired would mean he was terminated in the middle of his contract, which isn't what happened. And there are any number of reliable, citable sources saying "contract not renewed," which is technically accurate. JTRH (talk) 00:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Berean Hunter. You have new messages at LahiruG's talk page.
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Random Smiley Award

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award.
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♠TomasBat 02:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. ☺
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 03:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

AFD nomination for wiki article

This is regarding the issuing of the AFD tag for the article created by me on "CAN AKKAYA". The reason that has been stated is "Subject isn't notable. Article written as advertising"

The person on whom this page has been written is an author and i have posted valid ISBN numbers for the books to support my discussion. And nowhere in the article could i find any sort of advertising or spamming.Incase you feel that any of the links ive stated or referenced is spamming then do kindly notify me so that i can make the necessary changes.

Thanks,

Update: I have removed all reference links redirecting to individual website therefore resulting in unintentional advertising.kindly reconsider the article and notify me if there is anything else i can improve on to make this a valid contribution to the wiki community.

Thank you,

Neospawn304 (talk) 08:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

False Vandalism!

How exactly does adding a schoolteacher's name to the 1943 birth page constitute vandalism? She was born that day of that year, and our schoolteachers need to be recognized, darn it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.151.150 (talk) 22:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Not if they aren't notable. Adding random folk to pages of years is not constructive.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.151.150 (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you read the link that I provided? You have a good number of false edits under your belt. Time to explain why you're vandalizing or be blocked.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

All right. I'll stop. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.151.150 (talk) 22:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute. I just realized something. Those are my only options? Explain why I was vandalizing or be blocked? What if I don't even do it anymore? You might not even believe my reasoning! But if you want me to explain so much, then fine! I'll explain it! I put it up as a joke for 1 minute, and I was going to revert it myself before you jumped on it! If you wish me to justify any other posts, I shall do it for you! If you do not care, then that is fine, but you never suggested as such. -- Road Runner

That's still vandalism. Care to explain this and this?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Editing those two articles was exactly what I was justifying. I don't know what you thought I was justifying (I apologize, however, for not explaining what I chose to justify), but, like I predicted, you did not accept my reasoning for it, and I admit that "That's still vandalism" is a very good argument against me, and thus it would be impossible for me to justify anything, but if there is no other option for me besides explaining why I was vandalizing or be blocked, then I suppose I should not be banned for I did justify those posts, but I will note that it is stupid to repeatedly assert that I should explain my vandalism when obviously there is no good reason for the performance of such a deed!--71.72.151.150 (talk) 20:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

No, you were justifying this addition of a random person to a list. As for being blocked, you currently stand at a 4th level "last warning". What it means is that upon the next act of vandalism, you can be blocked. As long as you refrain from doing it, that won't happen.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I was not justifying that. I had already justified that, although I should have looked over what I had written first. Thank you for clarifying as to what will result in me being blocked.--71.72.151.150 (talk) 22:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Change in Philipinno american war

If you dont want help OK but in Filipinas Papa is Dad and El Papa is the Pope —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.29.16.155 (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I have self-reverted based on what you're telling me. I apologize. Changing "Pope" to "Dad" looked odd to me....but I do try to help :).
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank You for your kind words on my talk page. I admitted fault, so that the IP would simply leave me alone. After looking at his/her talk page, I see that he/she is a bit of a hot head, but I refuse to lower myself to that level. I agree that the IP has practically no understanding of Vandalism according to WP standards and practices and I am happy that there are users like you who will back me up on matters such as this. For that, Thank You. Fumitol|talk|cont 19:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. :)

This is User:Marrtel socking with such incivility when he should know better. He has received warnings on his userpage regarding AGF, civility, etc. If he persists, then I will file at WP:SPI (if someone doesn't beat me to it...I have to do something else for a while) ...read Basketball game coming on. :).
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Haha, well, I completely understand and hope that your team wins, whomever it is! Fumitol|talk|cont 19:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Your e-mail

Hi. In reply to your e-mail, posted here per the procedure on my user page:

"If an indef-blocked user has reappeared and seems to be making positive contributions without their former caustic commentary, do we ignore for the sake of the project or pursue it?"

This is block evasion and possibly abuse of multiple accounts, which may result in a block (Wikipedia:BP#Evasion of blocks). I recommend that you inform the blocking admin and let them determine whether a block is warranted.  Sandstein  21:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Mlpearc

Thank you your revert on my talk page, (it was just a notification message [5]). But thanx :P Mlpearc powwow 00:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. A fake vandalism alert at that.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Very Good :P. Mlpearc powwow 00:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Answer to your query

Just a quick note to let you know I answered the query you posted to my talk page recently. I never know whether to post replies to my own page or the sender's, so I generally post to mine and then send the sender a message like this one. Cheers! - Ecjmartin (talk) 14:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Rader

Actually, the edit in question ([6]) was not vandalism. The misspelling is present in the original letter (see [7]), and the IP editor was making certain that the quotation was accurate. TJRC (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for catching that. I struck my comments and left a note of apology on the user's talkpage. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Re Colonel Richard Hunter

Mr Hunter,

I saw you edited out the addition of Richard Hunter from the Kentucky Colonel list. I'm very new with how wikipedia works, so please bear with me.

I understand the concept of the list sharing "famous" folks, but the definition of famous is subjective. Agreed, everyone knows both Colonel Sanders and Colonel Thomas (for those that dine out) but we are in a new age, people become famous rather quickly, sometimes overnight.

Rich Hunter has quite a following on Youtube, and its believed that he is the first Youtuber to be bestowed such an honor. Also, the reality TV show that he stars in, which is going into final production for the season, should be aired later this year. Assuming it's aired on the worst, most non-watched cable network (which its not) it would still make him an instant Television celebrity.

I'm looking forward to discussing this matter with you further, and thank you for your time,

J. Douglas Fisher JDouglasFisher (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was a good idea to move the discussion to the article talk page to include the general community of editors there for the discussion. My initial question is to those editors and it may be good to wait a day or two to let folks respond there before you reply (assuming folks are paying attention. :)

We should see what others think about this because you raise a good question.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You are supporting a complete falsehood

Moved discussion to article talk page.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

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Mail

Ping! Antandrus (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Great effort, and much appreciated. However, I seem to be having a technical problem. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Stan

What's the technical problem? The telephone won't work on your own talk page as it is a recursive link but it should work everywhere else.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:53, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I see that you've got it fixed, now.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Apricots

Well Alexander the Great introduced the apricots into all Southeast Europe. Since he was from Macedonia, Macedonian king, also his name was actually Alexander the Macedon it's quite normal to stay Macedonia. Another information in this context is that Greece didn't existed during Alexander role, part of it (except Sparta) was incorporated into the Kingdom of Macedon, just like Ancient Egypt, Persia and all other countries that he conquered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.53.38.9 (talk) 01:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

You were told a reason and several editors have reverted you. You need to use the article talk page to state your argument there and try to gain consensus, if possible. Trying to force it into the article isn't going to work.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

hooping

Hello, I posted a link to a hula hoop page showing variations of hoops made by people, to encourage others to get creative and make hoops on their own. I also wanted to post a link to www.hoopcity.ca, which is like "facebook" to hoopers. There was no ill intent, just trying to share info. Is it possible to post www.hoopcity.ca so others know about that website, which is was started by SaFire (listed in Wiki) to promote hooping? Michiganresearch (talk) 04:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I know you meant well but the site fails many of our linking guidelines. In particular it at least fails WP:ELNO, points 4, 5, 6, 10, & 11.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The Ledge

Dear Berean, Sorry, but I really don't understand why you've removed the link to literary website The Ledge. The Ledge is absolutely comparable to such sites as World Without Borders: it is filled with relevant literary information and has the added bonus of an audio component. Could you please let me know why this link has been rejected? Thanks, Stace175 (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Barbecue

Please do not gratuitously remove content from Wikipedia, as you did to the Barbecue page. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --PointCards (talk) 14:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

...Umm, no. I removed a content fork which was growing in the wrong direction. That material belongs in the article Barbecue grill since it is about the apparatus. You will need to read the Wiki guideline, Do not template the regulars. What I did was not vandalism.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

'vandalism'

Sorry, it was my friend being stupid on my computer... (; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.54.38 (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

For even mentioning you-know-who on my talk page, when it is bloody obvious he is watching my every move. Do not ever do that again, please. –MuZemike 08:25, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Won't happen again. My apologies.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

/* External links */

Hello Berean Hunter,

My name is Remy Thierry, and I'm the founder of Sleep Apnea Guide. I didn't expect to receive emails from Wikipedia editor, and I was surprised to see not only emails, but warnings that I am a spam.

I surely believe that many webmasters are considered spams and they are eliminated from Wikipedia. After that they write to you to explain that are not spam, but people with good intentions and quality websites. It looks like I'm one of them now...

I do believe that my website (www.sleep-apnea-guide.com) help the visitors to find useful information, and they ask a lot of questions related to their sleep problems. You can see the activity of my visitors on the right column of any page.

Ok, I added my website address on the external link section from "sleep apnea" wikipedia page. After a while, I visited "positive airway pressure" page (because is relevant to sleep apnea treatment), and I saw in the external link section a website that is also in sleep apnea page. So, I thought I can do the same thing.

Big mistake, isn't it?

Now, it seems that there are no more link in the "external links" section. It's quite strange... Do you have a cleaning policy? There were quite important websites there, such as American Sleep Apnea Association. What's happening?

Bottom line... Am I allowed to add again my website to sleep apnea page?

Remyboy21 (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Regards, Remy Thierry www.sleep-apnea-guide.com

Thank you for responding. No, please do not add this back. I have listed a referral to DMOZ which allows the reader to find peer-reviewed links on the topics...if your site is listed there then the reader may find you. Your site is promoting products which is discouraged by our linking guidelines. See points 4 & 5 in particular. Thank you,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Runkle

If you disagree with its reliability, remove it and the information derived therefrom. It's never appropriate to modify a properly formatted citation. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Replaced it with a different source.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks, and howto query

1. thanks for welcome message.

2.i'm taking you up on offer therein to ask for help on your talk page--was browsing the cleanup page <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup> to see where i might help, and looked into the 4th item (an image edit under jan 2011)

<Image: The image has incorrect information - it should say "Silvestre" instead of "Sol Campbell" (as seen on its relevant article) - I'd edit it myself but I don't have the correct program to do so, so thought it best to bring attention to it here. Apologies if this is in the wrong place! Ը२ձւե๓ձռ17 01:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)>

and found correction had already been made; but since the changer forgot to strike out or remove it from the cleanups-needed page, tried to find who made it, to tell them, but can't--it doesn't appear to be craitman17, who listed the error; and hoising, the author, who did something to it on 12:00, 23 February 2011, doesn't have a user page to contact. so thought i'd ask you how i can either find that editor, or do the strike-out-or-remove myself. yours nick Nickholbrook (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. Glad to be of assistance. I would suggest that you strikethrough the request by using <s> </s> tags like so: strikethrough. Then beneath it, place {{done}} and sign your name. Someone may adjust this format...if they do then follow their cue on that. I haven't done work there but I may now.

FYI: User:Hoising does have a page here. When searching for users in the search box, make sure to use the prefix User: ...his page is User:Hoising. Users who have not placed something on their userpage will appear as redlinks on pages and not show in the search box at all. At first glance, you might not realize they are there but still go to that page and there will either be a message that the account is not registered or it will say the page does not exist. Click on user contributions or contribs to see if they exist and are active.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

thx again

(see subj above) ie thx again nick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickholbrook (talk • contribs)

You are very welcome. If I may be of assistance again, don't hesitate to ask.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Vote needed

Votes are needed on the Thomas Jefferson talk page, (1st section) Gwillhickers (talk) 02:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you, Kirill...

Notification

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, --Kudpung (talk) 03:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

ANI thread of your recent edits

[8]. Mindbunny (talk) 03:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Archery article

In the Archery section, I recently added a section on Stabilisers. I note this now has a message that it has been suggested it may be appropriate to have this 'split ' into a separate section, and I think this has merit, as the Archery section is already substantial. I would appreciate your advice on how to transfer whole paragraphs, please, to enter the existing into a separate section, with reference. Thanks and Regards Bill Wilde (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)Bill WildeBill Wilde (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help. It has been tagged such as to split it out into its own new article...and I agree with you that it would be a good idea. But first, it is necessary to add some references in the form of direct citations. New articles that have no citations might be deleted because they lack notability and we wouldn't want that. The place to start is your own bookshelf (provided that you didn't write any of the books yourself). Additionally, try searching at Google Books. I would recommend using "archery stabilizers" as well as "archery stabilisers" to increase your options. Of course, your local library may also be a good place to look.

When you find a source that you want to use, you may want to examine the current sources in the archery article to see how to form them. Also, have a look at these citation examples for a good explanation. I would recommend 4 to 6 citations for what has been written in the stabilizer section so far to give it a good foundation. When that is done, you will be ready to create your first article from it (I will help you).

I've tagged that section as well as others so that other editors may see and hopefully pitch in by providing references also.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Floating Battery

I struggled with how to cite in short form when their wasn't an actual author name. "Our Special Correspondent" was essentially a nameless spy...and I didn't want to use those long article titles as it seemed to defeat the purpose of putting them in short form. I'm open to suggestions or if you can improve it, be bold...I won't mind a bit.

Btw, do you have a photo wish list? I'm digging around when I get the chance and uploading at Commons...if you have a list, I can try to work from that as well as whatever I find interesting.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I would use abbreviated citations only when they are unambiguous. Usually the name of the author is sufficient. For publications where the author is not named, I would use the publication name and date, assuming it is the only instance of that publication/date. However, if things get uncomfortable or ambiguous, I would use the full citation in the footnote, including the URL. (One of the reasons that this rarely is a problem for me is that I tend to avoid online sources and newspapers, which are little more than primary sources, IMHO.)

I don't keep a wish list of photographs – I'm not that organized. :-) I have been spending a lot of time recently on the battles of the Overland Campaign, so if you happen upon any of them… Thanks! Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I may convert those refs and drop short form. I'll keep my eye out for the photos, too.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Abraham Lincoln Please rm graffiti posting

[this edit] is obviously electronic graffiti. As an editor, I don't think I should be editing a talk page. Could you do it? --Javaweb (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Javaweb

UPDATE: User:orangemike fixed it. --Javaweb (talk) 14:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Javaweb

In the future, you can remove vandalism like that...it's okay that you are an editor of the article. Have a read of Wikipedia:Vandalism to learn how. Let me know if you need any assistance.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Good to know!

Random acts of kindness barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		A respectful and keen editor, well done! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Berean Hunter. You have new messages at Bped1985's talk page.
Message added 00:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I'm sorry

I'm sorry to have caused trouble. Posting on other contributors' wall is the only way I found to get some help. I'm a newbie and didn't find any other alternative to get some attention. I hope you'll understand. Regards. Caring-writer (talk) 00:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

That's okay. We all make mistakes sometimes. As long as you have stopped, I'm happy. :) I see Buster 7 is also helping you. Either he or I will be giving you a set of links to help you. I hope you enjoy editing here and if I can help you just ask or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will be along shortly to assist.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Apology

Thank you and I accept your apology, but there is nothing really to apologize about, so don't worry about it, I am thankful that you understand my POV, thank you. Greg The Webmaster Greg The Webmaster (talk) 05:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Scream4fan2011

u need 2 stop doin that, i'm losing wat i'v worked hard for, cuz of u people — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scream4fan2011 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

What have you worked hard for? There are many people who do work hard to create and maintain Wikipedia. It is a serious endeavor. I haven't seen any positive contributions from you yet. The toying around that you're doing is neither humorous nor interesting. Do you plan to contribute in a positive manner at some point?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:23, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

actually i have written intresting a humor things, it's just been removed by wikpedia, you've just met me, so u really don't know much or a have a right 2 say anything, u really haven't wrote anything intresting or humorus yet either, from wat i'v seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scream4fan2011 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

If your goal is to be funny, perhaps Uncyclopedia would be more to your style. They desperately need funnier writers there! - BilCat (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Bilcat. Perhaps that would be in line with your style. Somehow, I doubt you will be appreciated for your talents here.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:54, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Archive indexing

I have cleaned up some misconfiguration regading HBCArchive Indexerbot that you orginally have configured:

• Talk:Organic farming: [9] and [10]
• Talk:Patton (film): [11]

Please, read the configurations instructions. --Kslotte (talk) 13:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC) Further misconfigurations can be seen at (red links): User:HBC_Archive_Indexerbot/logs --Kslotte (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I picked it up as copy & paste where I saw someone else apply it. Thank you for cleaning this up. I assumed the syntax was correct (silly me). I will have a read of the docs a little later...not enough coffee in me yet. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have cleaned up all the rest of my misconfigurations...hopefully. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

ANI notice

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. [12] Mindbunny (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

(Yawn) You at it again, I see.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

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⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

• That edit summary is unacceptable, Berean Hunter, and has been suppressed. Please do not do that again. Risker (talk) 05:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I won't associate usernames in edit summaries again unless there was a confirmed SPI finding (as you said). There was absolutely no merit to claims of Outing which is the finding of the ANI thread. It's humorous that if the complainant wanted the info kept low-key that they would take this to one of the most visible places on Wikipedia so everyone will see it.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:11, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for note

I think item was a bit heavy on taxonomy but was perhaps needed this to drive off the Big Foot types. Calamitybrook (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

You are modest. You did a really good job.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Linking

thanks, no worries over anything that improves understanding :) --Errant ^(chat!) 17:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers. It's nice to see level-headedness coming out of the fray.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate your efforts and patience on the MoMK page, and with Cody. He's about used up any good-will I've got left with him. Hostile tone, baseless accusations and utter refusal to give anyone that even slightly disagrees with his views respect - toss in the repeated accusations of others having a POV and refusing to see his own. It won't take much more before I stop the good-will part, and just start hitting templates and WQA pages. Ravensfire (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I started to try to talk him out of making his complaints to either ANI or WQA but then I thought better of it. With the continuous threats and posturing, his complaining and then getting shot down might be just the thing to cure that. I'm hoping he will calm down...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Really, editing the whole MoMK topic has turned into an absolute nightmare in the last two to three weeks, with a heaving, 300kB+ talk page and a locked and disputed article. The "temporary" full protection is due to come down within the hour, but if anything the disputes that led to the protection in the first place have only become worse since Excirial imposed it two days ago. I too have serious concerns about CodyJoeBibby's editing and his attitude in general. SuperMarioMan 18:18, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

(Not having looked at it yet after coming online) My suggestion would be disengage from Cody. It isn't going anywhere and his accusations at you are without foundation. Experienced Wikipedians know that so you need not worry. Ignoring may be best here. Page protection may not be so bad. There hasn't been any new news about the trial and only advocacy groups are publishing. Working on taming the discussion and getting people to work cohesively should be our goals now.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, after delivering two warnings for blatant attacks, I'm now officially banned from Cody's user talk page for perceived "threats". But this is getting ridiculous (going a bit too far towards WP:LEGAL again?) SuperMarioMan 22:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry. Either he calms down or he won't be with us much longer. Try to enjoy your Friday evening...you might try looking at my post on Truth Mom's page. The videos which I liken to Wikipedian experience may help you get in a better mood. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

And the same to you. Thanks for all the work that you've done so far to moderate the talk page, by the way. Yes, debates in the UK Parliament often unwittingly end up as sources of entertainment ... the title of this other clip about lower-than-expected economic growth seems to relate well to the frustrating lack of progress that we've been having at the talk page recently ... (*groan* - poor joke!) SuperMarioMan 01:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Berean Hunter|, you seem to be a very reasonable person. I am concerned that you are not looking farther to see why certain users are so angry on the Meredith Kercher talk page. I know Wikipedia has guidelines that must be followed but there are legitimate reasons why so many people are angry. Please look more closely at the underlying problems. The most recent activity regarding the diagram is a perfect example. DreamGuy added the diagram back in after is was removed in a bold revert by SuperMarioMan (who now claims to be neutral on the topic) only to be instantly deleted again by John. There was no discussion at all. John showed absolutely no respect for DreamGuy. Someone will most likely come in and complain about this action and they will be scolded and warned for their outburst while the action that caused the outburst will go unnoticed. The diagram is a small detail but that is exactly the point. Why do certain users feel the need to make bold reverts on minor topics (that they admit to having no strong opinion on) knowing that it will cause outrage to an article that already has extremely heated debate? Why do the people that make bold reverts then act shocked and dismayed that their action caused anger? Please, I am asking you to look at the bigger picture here. I am not angry and I am not looking to attack anyone. I am asking for neutral voices to stand up and do what's right. Please be one of those voices. Please look for solutions to the problem instead of posting a link to a Wikipedia guideline that needs to be followed, as others often do when faced with a challenge. BruceFisher (talk) 04:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Potential security concern

Nickholbrook (talk) 19:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC) hi, i'm seeking help about a robot correction of an edit--i added a note that my av software (avast!) popped up a malware warning about a link when i tried it* , which i've done before, but this time bot says i shouldn't--any idea why? thanks much for any assistance, nick holbrook

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nickholbrook) (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Name_Game&diff=prev&oldid=423090134)

(Revision as of 13:16, 3 April 2011 (edit) Yobot (talk | contribs) m (→Other uses: WP:CHECKWIKI error 61 fixes + general fixes, References after punctuation per WP:REFPUNC and WP:PAIC using AWB (7671)) ← Previous edit Revision as of 22:22, 8 April 2011 (edit) (undo) Nickholbrook (talk | contribs) (→External links: malware warning) Next edit → Line 51: Line 51:

External links

• The Shirley Ellis Name Game Page

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attacks procedure

Nickholbrook (talk) 01:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC) re: Both google and my Linux operating system flagged this as an attack page. My system refused to start a java applet threat embedded in the page. Best to ignore this page and make sure that you have your Avast updated. Additionally, you may want to use Spybot S&D (assuming you are using Windows). Best I can offer. :) ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:29, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

so we're not supposed to put warnings of threatening links? are we supposed to remove them?

ps my stepson and daughter in law live in durham !

Thank youuuuuuu :)

File:Pie.jpeg

Truth Mom (talk) has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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Thank you very much. 8^D
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Pasty

Please see this discussion Talk:Pasty#Recent revert, and add your thoughts, if so inclined. Thanks JoeSperrazza (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary

What do you mean by "the edit summary isn't amusing"? Waorca (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Your edit summary for this edit to the Vietnam War is "copy from American Civil War article" and you place the Mayaguez Incident in there. Where is anything about the Mayaguez incident written in the ACW article?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 05:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

You misunderstood, or maybe I didn't say it clearly. What I mean is that I copied the way they wrote from the American Civil War article. See, the VNW and the ACW are the same at one point is that although there were official ending dates for the two wars, yet there're still extra shots/battles after that. The ACW official ended on Apr 6 1865, but one skirmish of the war occurred after that date involving the CSS Shenandoah. Same goes for the VNW, the conflict is official over on Apr 30 1975, yet one more clash still took place after that involving the SS Mayaguez. So, both war resembles each other at this point. I added the Mayaguez incident using the similar method from the ACW. I also feel sorry for the Mayaguez incident because it's always being left out. In the past, there were also some mentions about this incident in the intro paragraph and the inforbox, but the contents were removed, so I want to re-add it. I keep asking that the Mayaguez incident is considered part of the VNW, but why people keep deleting the mention about it? Waorca (talk) 20:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining the edit summary...I read that differently from what you stated above. On the Mayaguez incident, you might try placing that in the See also section where I think it may appropriate. It is different enough that it isn't properly part of the Vietnam War. The troops were called out of Okinawa and weren't seasoned vets of Vietnam...most were green. The conflict was really an unfortunate misunderstanding that snowballed out of control. Like you, I'm sympathetic to the vets in that conflict. I've been wearing an MIA bracelet for one of the lost marines for 25 years now and have letters from a now-deceased senator telling me to stay away from hunting remains on Koh Tang because the island is "filled with unexploded ordinance".
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:07, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I just added it to the See also section.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Silver Star and Albert Blithe

I know nothing, and don't want to know anything, about the above pairing. However, I thought you may be interested to have the following edits brought to your attention: [13]; [14]. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I've watchlisted the Silver Star article and hopefully this individual will engage in a discussion before doing these actions again. Blithe's DA-638 Recommendation for Award lists the Silver Star, 3 Bronze Stars, and 3 Purple Hearts. I will try to keep watch, Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

MoMK

Generally, the proper procedure would be to boldly insert something, have it reverted, and then discuss it. I followed this procedure. I find your warning and your tone highly and unnecessarily inflamatory.LedRush (talk) 14:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I have asked you to revert your reversion not just because it is proper procedure, but also because I have serious BLP concerns about the picture.LedRush (talk) 14:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

When you opened the thread initially, I must have missed it...wasn't trying to evade.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I didn't accuse of evasion. I accused you of being unnecessarily inflammatory in both your tone (your warning of me) and your actions (your revert in contradiction of WP policy).LedRush (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Floor Plan on MoMK

• Really? --John (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Am I missing something, John? How does that edit difference pertain to this discussion? LedRush (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC) (this comment was made when John inadvertently put it in the wrong section of this talk page. The comments have been moved to this section)LedRush (talk) 18:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

In the edit summary, BH claims there is consensus to use the amateurish image with the "frig" and the disclaimers on the article. I strongly dispute that such a consensus exists. It is also a misuse of the tool to revert it. --John (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

There was obvious consensus and even if there weren't it wouldn't be a misuse of the tool to revert (though it would be to revert again without discussion). Anyway, it seems clear that Berean just thought that Hipocrite was talking about the image that everyone else was talking about at the time. No harm, no foul.LedRush (talk) 18:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK submission

Hello! Your submission of La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Benea (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikid77 talkpage

I just saw your comment on there. First; thanks for your kind words r.e. my interaction, I've been a little snappish at times but I am glad it hasn't always come across as awkward :) It's a pretty damn constructive talkpage compared to some. Secondly; r.e. asking Wikid77 to strike his comment, there's no need. I have always been happy for people to vent at me - whether it is justified (and given the effort put into this image, there is some justification) or not.

My reply to him was probably not the most helpful response.. we all have our off days. I posted a new one today to expand on my thinking.

Anyways :) thanks for the thoughts. You reminded me that stuff that seems "simple and logical" might frustrate the people who worked really hard on the content being replaced. I constantly forget that. It is a crucial weakness. --Errant ^(chat!) 21:33, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm hoping to help maintain peace and keep the working environment from going awry. It seems as if some progress has been made and it looks hopeful. People not understanding other peoples' motives or assuming that they do when they don't appears to be some of the problems there...but if we are lucky, things will keep improving. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:58, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Your "hat" at AN/I

Hi. I have no doubt that you meant well, but I've manually reverted this edit, in which you "hatted" (closed and collapsed) a thread at AN/I after shortly after two users, an IP and user DeCausa indicated their interest in pursuing the discussion.

"Hatting" or "closing" a thread to prohibit further discussion is a form of talk page refactoring, and our policy about that says, among other things,

Refactoring should only be done when there is an assumption of good faith by editors who have contributed to the talk page. If there are recent heated discussions on the talk page, good faith may be lacking. If another editor objects to refactoring then the changes should be reverted.

The assumption of good faith is often pretty thin on the ground at AN/I, and discussions there are often "heated". I'd suggest that since this is the case that you generally refrain from hatting threads there in the future, for those reasons, and especially when others have already made it clear that they wish the discussion to proceed. Again, I recognize that your intentions were well-meant; I just object to the result, is all. If you wish to reply, you can do so here, as I've temporarily watchlisted this page. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, why let wisdom prevail? Unless you are there to beat a dead horse, it was very non-constructive to reopen a "let's trash an admin" thread.

The thread was not intended to become a pile-on Jamie thread (or was it?). The correct thread for dealing with Jamie's actions was/is at AN3. You shouldn't tell me not to hat a thread ...it should be done by someone not involved, right? I quote, "This template should only be used by uninvolved editors or administrators in conjunction with the talk page guidelines and relevant advice at refactoring. It should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors." ...I've seen plenty of threads shut down there in the same way (usually, when the pitchforks and torches have been gathered). You attempting to tell me to never do it again will be ignored...I view that as rude. Do you tell everyone who closes a thread there by hatting the same thing? I don't mind being reverted if someone has something productive to add...

Unless someone begins to show a pattern of abuse on Jamie's part using actual diffs then it is a waste of time...but let it roll. I see you've brought out the D-word without any other proof outside of the immediate event. Saltwater for wounds, nice. The wisdom of reopening the thread remains to be seen.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin

Orlady (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I don't care about your fancy **** my friend, I've been blocked ten thousand times and it always wears off. Ώ.Ώ Obama is watching you. And whatever you want to think, NOBODY CARES :) Sammitaring (talk) 17:17, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

If nobody cares, why are you here? I'm sure there is something that you can do which is productive...if not here, helping build an encyclopedia then elsewhere.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm just here, killing time and vandilising random people...I don't really care about contributing to the encyclopedia although I do from time to time. Really, I just vandilise people because I get bored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammitaring (talk • contribs) 17:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

If you were to channel that boredom and turn it into something else productive then you would have a sense of accomplishment that would last. Petty vandalism is possibly humorous to you at the time but whatever pleasure you get will fade quickly, yes?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Project Firearms

Do you think we need a new Coordinator?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I've been wondering about that and was thinking of posting an open call for nominations including self-noms. The project needs some new life breathed into it. What are you're thoughts?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I definitely think we need someone. I haven't seen too many gun related pieces at AFD lately, but as coordinator of the Knives project, and someone who has written a lot of knifemaker and gun-related pieces I know there's a host of people that want to delete any and all pieces related to weaponry, so they can make room for third tier Family Guy characters. (They tried to get our whole Cutlery project deleted recently.) Even if we just have someone to stand in temporarily until LFW gets back, I think it would help. That and I'd like to see more of our articles move up to GA and FA status, apart from the military related ones.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I didn't realize that you are coordinator of the Blades project. I was sizing up potential candidates yesterday and ended up looking over your page. I have thought that the Firearms project has needed someone for quite some time. I will probably get the ball rolling today...let me draft an ad hoc call for nominations.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Posted on the project talk page.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the kind words here. In hindsight, I can't state that I'm proud of some of the contributions that I have made at WP:ANI and elsewhere in the last 24 hours - as an editor who arrived here in 2006, I should probably know better. When indignant, I do tend to become a bit rhetorical and perhaps a bit belligerent... SuperMarioMan 00:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It can happen to all of us...we have those types of days. You did well in both introspection & retrospection and your better judgment prevailed. It goes a long way towards achieving the right kind of collegiality that we need on Wikipedia. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I am grateful for this good, timely compromise. Although I would have appreciated proper rebuttals from others to the concerns raised, I accept that it is reasonable to allow the user one final chance to comply with editing conventions. Thanks. SuperMarioMan 16:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully, it will afford us two weeks of peace. :) I believe that what we are really waiting for is more actual news (major coverage) from the appeals process and the DNA review findings. Those outcomes will likely be the major drivers for the direction the article may take. If Knox & Sollecito's convictions are upheld, the article won't need as much but can be bolstered in places. If they are exonerated, much will need to be rewritten. That's what we're struggling with...a story that doesn't yet have an ending. Our day-to-day struggles now are largely because we are in limbo.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for alerting me about the sockpuppetry case.The case has been cleared.Alam567 (talk) 15:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually no. You are now blocked for sockpuppetry.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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comment from vandal

it is true most of this stuff could be fake and alot of people get stuff from this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.204.126.46 (talk) 02:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

...and you aren't helping anything at all by making such comments in the articles. It's vandalism.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 02:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Please moderate your tone

While I appreciate you may be frustrated with me, I think your latest comment directed at me on AN/I is in breach of civility rules. I would have thought users such as yourself and John would be setting an example for newer users, but apparently you feel that the rules don't apply to you. That's rather disappointing. CodyJoeBibby (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I find it interesting that a user who claims to be new is trying to lecture established Wikipedians on policies. To address your point specifically, there is nothing in my statement which violates the civility policy.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm new here, despite your aspersion to the contrary, but I do have a law degree. As such, familiarity with rules and the selective application of rules comes easily to me. Please explain how your comment does not breach civility rules but my comments to SuperMarioMan do. Hopefully you will be able to lecture me on the subject! I enjoy lectures! CodyJoeBibby (talk) 18:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

What does SuperMarioMan have to do with my comments above? It was in reference to you lecturing policies to John on his talkpage. As I stated at ANI, you need to present diffs along with the particular part of the policy that you think is being violated to substantiate incivility. We can't read your mind.

I have already explained my comments and position at ANI. If I were in violation of policy, I believe that an admin would point that out to me. AGF is not a suicide pact; to say that something is wrong with a user based on evidence is not a breach of civility. Pointing out that you are doing something wrong does not imply guilt on my part.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:ANI

Hi, Berean. Having earlier called for the archiving of the WP:ANI discussion (unresolved) on Cody while failing to give a satisfactory response to any of the concerns raised, Wikid77 has taken it upon himself to do just that and now resumes his instruction of the user. Is this acceptable, given that the problems at hand appeared to be far from resolved and that he had been an active and involved participant in the sections that he unilaterally decided to archive without warning? SuperMarioMan 19:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Borrowing from OhioStandard's response in a thread above (where I had hatted a thread at ANI)...per WP:RTP:

• "Refactoring should only be done when there is an assumption of good faith by editors who have contributed to the talk page. If there are recent heated discussions on the talk page, good faith may be lacking. If another editor objects to refactoring then the changes should be reverted."

I would take hatting or archiving while fresh posts are there to be applicable. Both are a form of refactoring. I didn't object or revert at ANI when OhioStandard reverted my hatting (I protested with commentary here). That said, if you choose to resurrect part of the thread, I would do so simply without accusation against Wikid77 and I would only copy the parts that I thought were pertinent while leaving a link to the remainder in the archives. Since other admins have seen and even commented at the thread since then, that may be construed as tacit approval and maybe a little relief that it is no longer a huge wall of text. It's your call...

I personally would probably ride with the way it is now. If Cody improves his behavior, the point will be moot. If not, then the prevailing spirit of WP:ROPE would apply. Whether or not he hangs himself, is really up to him.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm not going to draw stuff back out of the archive - it could simply serve to inflame the situation. Thanks for your response. It just seemed to me to be rather inappropriate for an involved user, who had commented at the discussion, to carry out all that manual archiving himself. SuperMarioMan 20:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:Firearms

Yeah, I guess. I'm surprised nobody else has chimed in, though.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not surprised. I thought there might be a couple of noms but there is also a lot going on in the real world, too.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedians edit

Sorry about that, at least it wasn't offensive. We were just testing a theory that making an edit would be removed within two minutes if it was meaningless (pretty impressive, really). IP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.5.148.99 (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Clann An Drumma Edit

Apologies for the edit, I was simply testing something.

However being associated with the band, I may make some updates to the page over the next few months, just so you're aware that I'm not just someone who is "harrassing" the Clann An Drumma Page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.187.55 (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

/* Possible medicinal properties and health effects of onions */

Hi, Did you send me the message about conflict of interest for adding a sentence to the medicinal properties of onion page? I am new to this and not really sure why a sentence about onions being toxic to cats and dogs would be deleted or considered a conflict of interest. My only interest is in the health of pets. Unfortunately people will often give pets drugs, herbs, foods, the latest medicinal this or that being touted to benefit people without finding out if it is toxic to their pet. This is not a disputed fact but one that many pet owners don't know. Thanks for explaining. PetBHave —Preceding unsigned comment added by PetBhave (talk • contribs) 20:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

So far, every edit that you've placed on Wikipedia has been to promote Sophia Yin and her books. Today you moved along article to article posting ref spam.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, she is a reliable source for the articles I edited. I thought the edits needed citations so used ones I was familiar with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PetBhave (talk • contribs) 21:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

For the sake of having a neutral point of view, it may be best to move away from biasing with Dr. Yin's work. Do you have other sources that you plan to use?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I do and had put some in but then removed them. This effort on my part came about after a friend of mine and I had a discussion about her college students reliance on Wikipedia for information and how the info was frequently not current. Our field is animal behavior and vet medicine. I thought I might be able to do something about it but it does seem some of the stuff that was so wrong - the dominance stuff about dogs has been fixed thank God. The reason I used Dr Yin is that her language is much easy to understand than people like Dr Miklosi and a little more accessible. I think I will write a page on dominance theory for canines and use multiple references. For some reason all that is there currently is info on the alpha roll which is the tip of the iceberg. I did read the rules before I started but didnt realize I was in violation. So many of the articles asked for citations I put in the ones that were easiest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PetBhave (talk • contribs) 12:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea to use diversified sources as you edit. I hope you enjoy editing with us. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:36, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

MoMK images

Hi BH. Just to let you know I have nominated all of these images for deletion. Article 65 of the Italian copyright law, which you cite, is a general fair use provision. There is no way it can be taken at passing police photography into the public domain. If you believe that there is a fair use rationale for the images, then that would be another matter. Cheers. --FormerIP (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, if they were fair use, then they would be uploaded here instead of Commons. Are you suggesting that?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Possibly, but I'm really only intending to go as far as pointing out that these images are actually subject to copyright.

I think there may be a legitimate case for including images under fair use, but that would best be started with a talkpage discussion. I think multiple crime scene photos probably goes against WP:NFCC. I also think that there are other images which may have a better claim for free use (eg images of Knox and Sollecito). --FormerIP (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Experienced Wikipedian? Reply

Typographical error. Sorry for the misleading info.Alam567 (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle and Huggle

I use Twinkle when editing on both my new Macbook and my "old" HP laptop. I especially like it for AFDing articles - I don't nominate articles often but when I do I find Twinkle convenient as it does all the steps with one or two clicks. I like it for all kinds of tagging, too.

Huggle is a great tool for recent changes patrol. It's faster than Igloo, there are more options - not just reverting for vandalism, but you can send messages, specify the reason for reversion (page blanking, vandalism, spam, etc.), nominate articles for deletion and speedy deletion, revert dubious good faith edits and send a custom good faith message to the editor, and it notifies AIV automatically when reverting vandalism or spam after a final warning. I also find it more user-friendly than Igloo.

Unfortunately I can't get Huggle to work on my Mac. I have no idea how to set up Wine (or even what Wine actually is) and I am completely lost as to what else I need to do to get Huggle to run. In fact, running Huggle is about the only reason I still run this sack-of-(redacted) laptop; I was saying to someone a few hours ago that my goals in life right now are to figure out how to use Huggle on my Macbook and to learn entrelac knitting. I'm not sure which is harder. --NellieBly (talk) 04:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Good report. Thank you...that is informative. I'm guessing you have read this on Wine. It allows you to run Windows applications without actually having a Windows OS. It is even valued amongst Windows users for continuing to allow people to run their legacy software all the way back to Win 3.1. Gamers really love it for that reason....so don't throw away your old favorites, you can still use them. :) For your Mac, official instructions and this site may also help. I've run it before on Ubuntu but it has been a while.

If you get Wine to run satisfactorily on your Mac, you might try downloading an Ubuntu live cd and reformatting your old laptop and try running Linux...it's free and supported and there's tons of free apps. In fact, you should be able to use your laptop without reformatting while running in a live mode as a trial to see if you like it enough to go further. It's like being a kid in a candy store.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you; I'll read the links you recommended tomorrow, and I'll think about reformatting the laptop. There is literally nothing there worth keeping except Huggle and a few old tax files so maybe it would be worth trying Linux - nothing could be worse than Vista, after all. I really appreciate the advice. Thanks again. --NellieBly (talk) 05:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

You are quite welcome.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 05:06, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI and Mindbunny

Berean, I just added a comment to the ANI thread, starting with "Berean, knock it off please." I mean that quite sincere, though not in an unfriendly way. You may well be on to something, and I may well agree about the quality of Mindbunny's work here, but continuing this ANI thread (which is going nowhere) will NOT help your cause. Abide, like The Dude. Take care, Drmies (talk) 04:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the friendly note. I have known you for your good work that I have observed throughout the Wiki and respect you quite a bit. I will take heed of your words and will consider the matter closed. I note that the user has been blocked for 72 hours but that wasn't my intent when the thread began (although I do endorse the block for their actions since)...I was hoping someone would give a stern lecture to hopefully straighten them up. I appreciate your comments and will let the matter go. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice they hadn't been blocked. I don't see how that hurts the project; maybe some good will come out of it. But we've all had our axes to grind, and as time goes on we learn that some axes aren't worth the maintenance. Thanks for your kind words. I speak from personal experience: it is hard to drop a stick especially when wielded righteously; I have learned the need for trust in the community. One isn't always alone. Thank you for your good work and your contributions. All the best, Drmies (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Sorry to be a pian, but it hasn't been archived yet? Thomas888b (Say Hi) 09:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

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This point is even more important

Lol. Glad to see you picked up on the light hearted tone of the material :) Thanks for the copyedit, I write far too fast and reading it back gets so... sticky! --Errant ^(chat!) 21:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I enjoy that kind of essay. Good work. I'll send you my bill.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		For helping to defuse more one difficult situation in the last few weeks, and in doing so demonstrating tremendous patience and a willingness to listen to all sides, I offer this as a token of my personal gratitude. Sincerely, SuperMarioMan.

Old Testament

You reverted a comment on a talk page? It is not trolling. The term Old Testament is offensive and biased. It is not used on Wikipedia for good reason. 173.129.235.66 (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

What policy or guideline states that it is offensive?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Read up on the issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible Wikipedia uses academic, unbiased terminology. Old Testament is a weasel word when used outside the context of Christian theology. 173.129.235.66 (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that isn't a policy or guideline. You will need to be more specific than that.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 02:24, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I cannot believe you are continuing this. Did you even read the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Judaism/Manual_of_Style#NPOV_policy 173.129.235.66 (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Tell you what, I'll give this a closer look but it may take a couple of days to get around to it. I'm not in the right frame of mind at the moment. No promises...but I will look at this in an objective manner. Fair enough?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I want to make a deal with you friend.

I will buy you and a friend plane tickets and pay for your hotel rooms and other costs to Cairo, Egypt for Two Weeks. In those two weeks, you can see what I meant for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FighterForTruth (talk • contribs) 02:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Regardless, you can not attack people on Wikipedia.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 03:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Howdy!

There's been a quirk of circumstances that I feel Chroniegal may be upset over. I assure you, I am as baffled about the disappearance of certain exchanges, however, the article has been left alone. As you know, a great deal of the input was put there by me, though it has been diluted with extraneous inputs by source articles that have false or incorrect information. I will not mess with a situation beyond my control.

I remember you being in NC, and Waynesville comes to mind, but that was so long ago, I may have it wrong. Are you in the mountains or the new tornado alley? Those storms were reserved for only Texas I thought. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 02:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey Berean, what kind of music do you play? I'm an old Detroit Rocker and Blues player on guitar. Growing up in Detroit in the sixties, I worked at a music store that caterred to most of the local heavy groups like Frijid Pink (hard rock cover of "House Of The Rising Sun"), Alice Cooper when they were playng the High School Circuit and other venues before "I'm Eighteen" went interplanetary (I helped set up for them at a few places), Seger, The Rationals, Grand Funk, Amboy Dukes, MC5, the Unrelated Segments and many others would stop in if they were in the area, not that often, but they did. We also sold a lot of instruments to the Motown muscians; the singing groups never came in as their managers or other personnel would buy their Shure microphones for them (would have been nice to meet The Supremes and the other acts, but it didn't happen. I also worked at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit diring my hippy days. Are you still playng now? As to your email - my laptop was stolen awhile back and it may be in contact list, give a few search letters and I'll look. Thanks! 71.85.120.252 (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I looked for your email but couldn't find it. Too long ago I suspect. I did sound for Beach Boys in '87 & 88, sound & lights for Dr. Hook ("damn, he gaveme the whole airplane" at Baity's SOUNDGARDERN at Winston), Whitesnake in 87 & 88, Three Dog Night in '87...and I toured with Louise Mandrell amongst others. I WAS SOUND MAN for Skynyrd in '87 at Charlotte and most of Southeast until I transferred to The Cult. I cut the lights on Tim Richmond and Richard Petty at Kidnappers bar...I met Hank Williams Jr. without knowing it....he said "damn, don't that look complicated"....I was trying to make sure everything worked right and I thought..."who is this drunk?" Yeah, I was dumb but he was friendly as hell and I talked to him for a while thinking he was a nobody like the rest of us. He sent people to make sure that my future was bright. :) Bless him.

I did sound for Tory Caldwell, Nantucket, Hatchett, PKM, Havoc, Flying Circus, Asylum, a bunch of east coast beach music bands, and a bunch of others ...yeah, I'm old. I no longer play...gave a way my whole studio to my nephew who blew it. We used Shure 87's on instruments and Shure 88's on vocals.

I once did a stint in Detroit. Met a beautiful Polish Girl at Jason's bar in Windsor...beautiful girl, beautiful city....va va va room!

I'm near Pilot Mountain :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 05:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Now I remember. We're only about 175 miles apart; should meet up in Hickory or Statesville some time. Wow, you have a background similar to mine, I turned down offers to tour at the time because of projects in the Detriot area. One point of interest about the Who was that I saw them at the Southfield High School near Detroit, when they were the opening act for The Amboy Dukes (before Nugent became the trademark). I helped them set-up at the Grande for two shows. Never got too friendly with any of them - the groupies were always around and...well, I'll leave it at that.

It's my understanding that one of Skynard's members, lives somewhere in this area, one of the drummers I believe. Have you ever done sound for video? I need a balanced recording unit. I'm using DSLR's and the audio is crap, but the images amazing, so basically it will be done exactly like a motion picture where the sound is recorded separately from the images, and then synched in post. I've been to Windsor numerous times. CKLW was broadcasting thier version of American Bandstand with Robin Seymour, who was a disc jockey and TV personality. They hosted several of the Detroit groups on the show (lip synched of course for those days). I was there when Bob Seger performed "East Side Story" on the show, I believe I saw it on Youtube...wait a minute...here it is! [[15]] If the girl was Polish and from Windsor, she more than likely wss from Hamtramck, a Polish city within the City of Detroit at the time, yes, they have some gorgeous girls. I've got a Beach Boys story for you, for another time. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 16:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

You may have noticed that Bateauxny snitched to Gwen Glenn and had a rollback set to my IP address. You may get this or not, if you do, reply here. Thanks! 71.85.120.252 (talk) 23:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I haven't been online much between the storms and other things going on...I'll try to look around and see what's happening. Storms are supposed to be bad again today.

I've never done sound for video (something I want to learn). I imagine synching it correctly would be the real trick...otherwise it would look like one of those poorly dubbed Japanese movies. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a little more complicated than audio only, you have to record in a format compatible with the codec's of the type of video codec. Sometimes you can synch the sound manually (tedious), or use a pull-down menu to synch. Still, the mics and recorder are more important. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Artimus Pyle has a home in Candler 1 and he may still have one near Wilmington, also. Florida isn't very hospitable to him these days.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow, we're practically neighbors, I could walk the terrain about mile, or drive two miles to the address. The guy's bio alone would make a great documentary. Lot's of socially relevant stuff. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the kind comment! I really don't think people know when to step back from the computer and ignore things that bother them. Have a great day :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Lincoln Memorial section

We are currently attempting to bring the Abraham Lincoln article to FA status and are trying to establish consensus regarding images. Your consensus and opinion is needed on the Abraham Lincoln talk page. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

bookspam

Hiya! On those Powell books, I would have cleaned up the format and moved them to Further Reading. He's a legitimate author and the subject is well related to some of our articles. My $0.02. I'm off to Chancellorsville today, so my online presence will be scarce until Tuesday. Yr obt svt, Hal Jespersen (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That helps. When I see an editor that only interjects books (and this one is known to be the publisher) without any discussion with the other article editors, I would revert and warn. If the book has merit with the editors and they accept it, that is a different story.

I'll try to keep up with the ACW articles as much as I can while you're gone. Enjoy your trip.:)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Chickamauga Wiki Page

Dear Berean Hunter,

I saw that you changed the listing on the Chickamauga page. I had listed Failure in the Saddle on that page because it was relevant to the Chickamauga page. However, I am new to creating and using Wikipedia and I was wondering if you would be able to explain why it was removed. I don't want to violate any protocol on the website, so any information you have for me would be helpful. Are the references listed on that page sources that were used directly used to create the page?

Thank you, Lindy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Militarybooks (talk • contribs) 19:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

I find this on my page: "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Great Salt Lake. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you." Note that this is the most recent, not the only such notice. Why I have not seen these before I do not know, but they go back to 2008.

None of the offenses ascribed to me, this one included, is my work. The warnings regarding shared IP addresses appear to be inadequate, as the suggested solution of creating an account has clearly failed to solve the problem. I am, therefore, asking for additional suggestions.

To be clear, I do occasionally edit Wikipedia, always on this account, and never haphazardly or cutely. While I might well be legitimately criticized as stodgy and old-fashioned (split infinitives, misspelling, and poor grammar drive me up the wall, and I frequently correct them in Wikipedia articles), no one reading anything I have written could see it as frivolous, never mind vandalism. Evidently, there is some mechanism at work which lays the work of others at my doorstep. If you can suggest any means of preventing this in the future, I would be most grateful. Meanwhile, please accept as the truth it is that I do not vandalize. If someone else is able to label edits as being made by "Altgeld" on this account, I would like to find out how to stop it.

My direct e-mail address is bloom.louis@gmail.com. I invite, nay implore, you to contact me immediately when another such vandal's edit appears on my account. Altgeld (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This edit is the one in question for which I tagged the IP address' talk page with a vandalism notice. The IP which is on the Hughes Network and DirecPC does indeed have vandalism in its history which may be seen here. I would suggest that the page you are calling "yours" is not but rather a dynamic and shared number. As long as you are correctly logged in to your user account, User:Altgeld, those messages wouldn't apply to you. I hope this helps.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Armor-piercing variants of non-personal defense weapon cartridges

There is armor-piercing variant of .45 ACP. If you see armor-piercing variants of .357 SIG and 9x18mm Makarov, please visit http://www.fsdip.com for a list of armor-piercing cartridges. VBR-Belgium is the notable manufacturer of armor-piercing variants of non-PDW cartridges such as 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP. Thank you. --Kungfu2187 (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

What? I think you may have me confused for someone else. My edit to .45 ACP was correcting someone who changed the meaning. I'm not sure what your post is referring to.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:13, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

For the first time I've seen these AP variants of non-PDW cartridges. Those are now available in Belgium or given the AP 9x19mm to Belgian Army. Thank you. --Kungfu2187 (talk) 23:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I found 3 F.S.D.I.P. pages, [16], [17] and [18]. Thank you. Kungfu2187 (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Units conversion in images a BAD thing

FYI--In the past 24 hours I was trying to figure out why four images disappeared from the ACW field arty page in June 2009. I tracked it down to a good faith units conversion edit you did. The lesson learned is that doing units conversion within the name of an image file ruins the link. I was concerned that either a BOT had done this and would do so again or that I had messed it up during some lengthy editing, so I was relieved to see it was another editor instead. Best regards, Red Harvest (talk) 08:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 03:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Berean Hunter. You have new messages at Misza13's talk page.
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Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 21:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I can see you fixed the problem. Thanks! Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 22:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay! That template must have been the problem, because it is archiving normally now. Thanks for fixing it! Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 20:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome! :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Berean Hunter. You have new messages at Thomas888b's talk page.
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-- Thomas888b (Say Hi) 07:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

fort sumter

What are you doing i fixed the mistake why did you take it away???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bman210 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

That was no mistake. The Star of the West tried to resupply Anderson in January, not April.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

sorry i read it wrong my mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bman210 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011

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Idea

Create a mini-project to bring the articles of Neda, Mohamed Bouazizi, Khaled Said, and Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb up to GA/FA status. Possibly expand to include others whose deaths became symbols of war and peace (i.e. Pat Tillman). Would you like to work on something like this? Ocaasi ^{t | c} 21:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Let me think on this. I usually try not to become attached emotionally to articles that I edit upon Wikipedia but the death of Khaled Said particularly pisses me off (I hope they string the murderers up).
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

The best way to avenge their deaths is to source them rigorously, describe them in pointed detail, flesh out all aspects of their lives in proportion--fuck them with rigorous encyclopedicness. Bias is an issue, but good editors get around it. You're welcome to join in when ready. Ocaasi ^{t | c} 00:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/HistoryBioLife. Might need a new name, but check it out... Ocaasi ^{t | c} 04:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

jnb;

sorry that was my son playing on my computer im terribly sorry i grounded him for 1 week please im sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.101.152 (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

3rr

Just so you know, you're at 3 reverts just with the body moving statement. I haven't looked to see what other reverts you've made which would put you in violation of the 3rr. To be clear, I have no intention of reporting you regardless. I feel all of our edits have been in good faith (so far).LedRush (talk) 05:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense. Diffs please? I have made a total of 3 edits to the article today. One was to remove an NPOV tag (not placed today and not a revert), one to remove the dubious tag (1), and one to revert concerning the body where you removed too much material that was sourced. I have made one edit concerning the body...not 3 as you suggest. I do appreciate that you note our edits are in good faith, however.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 06:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You are 100% right. I have no idea what I was thinking. The best I can come up with is that I was sleep deprived. I'm sorry.LedRush (talk) 11:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It happens to all of us...I think that article in particular has a tendency to fray the nerves of experienced editors. You do a good job there and this is already water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Jefferson Davis

You recently warned me that I was approaching 3RR, after you began reverting an edit of mine without discussing it (though I have been requesting discussion of the issue for some time). In checking further, I realized that prior to your warning to me, you had already performed a third revert a couple of hours after your first one. You were therefore already in violation of 3RR yourself. Omnedon (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You need to re-educate yourself concerning policies. 1) If I'm at a 3 count then I'm not in violation, right? 2) It isn't edit-warring when one is maintaining the established consensus on the talk page (which I was). 3) I was discussing on the talk page but you went ahead and reverted anyway which is against BRD and I perceive this as bad faith. Stop declaring that I wasn't discussing because that isn't true.

I don't make a habit of edit-warring at all (check my talk page & archives) but I perceive that you are bullying and pushing too hard. I feel an admin will need to perform any tally and offer input.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

You were not discussing, though. You were simply re-iterating your statement about the consensus which you claim to exist but which in fact does not; you simply said, "You have been reverted because there is a clear 4 to 3 count to keep the colorized version." That is not discussion. You also warned me at 2 reverts when you had already performed 3 reverts, which seems hypocritical. Let's please talk about the actual issue of the image itself on the article's talk page, shall we? Omnedon (talk) 01:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Working on it now...looking for photo examples...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Subpage

Re these edits, feel free, and thanks: I think that all of the updates to blocks etc have been done by other editors. pablo 11:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Refactoring talk page

Hi. Since the MoMK talk page is currently swamped by a small number of mega- (and often partly meta-) discussions, I've gone through it and hatted parts that seemed (to me, at least) to be distracting or irrelevant, or where the debate seemed to have stalled. The NPOV tag poll in particular is full of heated back-and-forth on a range of subjects such as SPA-tagging etc., which I have tried to minimise where possible. It's just that it's becoming almost impossible to find anything on that page without pressing Ctrl + F on one's keyboard. Does all of this look good to you? SuperMarioMan 04:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see any problems with it. I was thinking about introducing an arbitrary break due to the length of the NPOV thread. I seem to notice that the archiving bot doesn't pick up on these hatted bits so I've been manually moving them when they timeout. Maybe, we'll get a couple of days of peace & quiet.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 04:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I briefly considered splitting the whole NPOV section up into "Keep", "Remove" and "Discussion" subsections, just for the sake of making it easier to follow (after all, someone uninvolved will have the unenviable task of closing that mammoth discussion!), but that would mean radically re-ordering the comments. An arbitrary break could well be a good idea - perhaps the ideal place would be either above or below ErrantX's reminder (about half-way down) to avoid sniping. At any rate, hatting some of the more tangential side-discussions leaves the actual votes themselves a bit more prominent. SuperMarioMan 04:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Why isn't GiselleK [19] on Pablo's hit list? The user is clearly a SPA. I bet Pablo left that one off the list because GiselleK shares Pablo's opinions on the case. They went fishing trying to label me a sock, no one seemed to mind the blatant Wikipedia violation. Pablo's list is deplorable. BruceFisher (talk) 05:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Have you ever edited Wikipedia other than the account that you are using now?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 06:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I have never participated on Wikipedia using any other name. I post everywhere online using my real name. Your cut and paste job shows people discussing how inaccurate the Meredith Kercher article is on an online forum. No one is plotting against another Wikipedia user. The conversation you noted is no reason to assume that those people are working to push inaccurate info into the article or vandalize Wikipedia in any way. If you read the entire discussion the posters want to help Wikipedia not hurt it. Does it honestly shock you that people carry on conversations online about Wikipedia, especially about controversial cases? You and others talk openly on Wikipedia about how to deal with "Problems" (SPA's). You make it very clear that you consider SPA's a problem and you and others are currently targeting them. Your behavior is quite different than people discussing a Wikipedia article on an online forum. BruceFisher (talk) 18:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, SPAs can be a problem...doesn't mean all of them have to be. When they don't know how things operate, they tend to get angry and can be problematic. I think you are confusing the term SPAs with sockpuppets. I don't target SPAs...I might watch them. Who have I targeted and what has been the outcome?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 05:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The list

Cheers Bruce. If you spot any more, feel free to add them yourself. It's the encyclopedia that "anyone can edit" after all. pablo 06:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Your list is a joke Pablo. I will not participate in the witch hunt. You direct more attention to editors that you to do articles. You have clearly lost focus on what Wikipedia is supposed to be all about. Good luck with your lynchings. I am sure you will be successful, Wikipedia policies currently allow you to keep hunting. BruceFisher (talk) 18:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

It is what it is, Bruce, if you find it amusing, then laugh away. (You may also find this one useful if you need some extra chuckles). Anyone can use that list for whatever purpose they choose. You see it as a hitlist, others see it as a record of editor influx. At lease one person at an external site (with which you may be familiar) has also found it useful for their purposes.
I shall sleep soundly knowing that, if I ever do lose focus on what Wikipedia is supposed to be all about, you will be there to tell me where I am going wrong. pablo 19:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

"At lease one person at an external site (with which you may be familiar) has also found it useful for their purposes. I shall sleep soundly knowing that" What is that all about? BruceFisher (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

"... purposes. (full stop, new sentence) I shall sleep soundly ... (new sentence continues)". I'll put a line break in to save more confusion. pablo 21:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

When you are done editing maybe you will find time to answer the question. I was more interested in this comment: "At lease one person at an external site (with which you may be familiar) has also found it useful for their purposes" BruceFisher (talk) 21:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think that I have the answer: Pablo is probably alluding to this page (in which someone links to the SPA list). SuperMarioMan 22:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh right. I thought, by the way you had placed quotes around parts of two sentences, making the meaning unclear, that I just needed to clarify that the 'sleeping soundly' bit did not to refer to the previous sentence.
So to which of the sentences does your question "what's all that about" refer?
Incidentally, I do have my own talk page. I have noticed that you and Truth Mom, and LedRush for that matter are quite content to discuss and reinforce your own opinions about this list and the motivations behind it on various talkpages, yet not one of you has ever actually asked me a direct question on my talk page. That's kind of what talk pages are for. If you want to ask me a question, the place to do it is User talk:Pablo X, not User talk:Berean Hunter or User talk:Jimbo Wales. pablo 22:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)