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Tech News: 2014-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf17) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on March 6. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on March 11, and all Wikipedia wikis on March 13 (calendar).
• You can now use the new search tool (CirrusSearch) on all Wikiquote projects. You can now enable it in your Beta options. [1] [2]

VisualEditor news

• It is now easier to edit templates. Complex tools are now in the "advanced" mode. [3] [4]
• It is also easier to edit images. You now have more options and they are explained better. [5]
• VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. They are now smaller and animated to be different from actual blank lines. [6]
• We have improved the tool to add special characters. The buttons are now larger. More changes are coming. [7]
• You can now use new keyboard shortcuts to undo the last action, clear formatting, and show the shortcut help window. [8] [9] [10]

Future software changes

• You will soon be able to use a Beta option to show a shorter list of language links. That way, Universal Language Selector will only show languages that are relevant to you. You will still be able to search for other languages. [11]
• CirrusSearch will soon automatically index newly imported pages. [12] [13]
• It will soon be possible to use CSS to style buttons in templates on all Wikimedia wikis, without needing JavaScript. [14]
• An IRC discussion with the Wikimedia Foundation Language Engineering team will take place on March 12 at 17:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on Freenode (time conversion). [15]

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09:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The Dying of the Light (film)

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox13 and move it to The Dying of the Light (film) - thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 10:31, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Database dump

Hello Bg(Snow)white!

I was woundering if you could do a database search for me. I would like to finde every article that includes the following text inside a {{{postscript}}}. There might be other text within the same parameter, but as long as the string is in there I would like to get a list of those articles.

{{inconsistent citations}}

(not {{inconsistent citations}})

I would really appreciate it!

Thanks // yours truly, one of the seven.

(t) Josve05a (c) 19:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a User:Bgwhite/Sandbox

Bgwhite (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC) (aka Grumpy)

Thanks! If you could run this scan again when you get the next dump, that would be great! (so I can know if it has incresed during a set period...) (t) Happy (c) 20:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Fathers and Daughters

It's CBS news clearly stating when filming begins, and covering that the locals have an opportunity to be cast, not a casting call. It's three days away, surely there's some wriggle room for an exception? Rusted AutoParts 23:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Title of article, "Extras Casting To Begin Soon For “Fathers And Daughters” Movie" It is a press release retransmitted by the TV station.

You have complained about Assassin creating articles before filming has started. You created two articles before filming had started. Do I hold Assassin to one standard and you another? Do I say, Assassin, it is ok to create an article if an iffy ref says filming will begin in two weeks? month? two months? I did not move this request. I moved this request only after gets valid refs. Bgwhite (talk) 23:40, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

See, I'm not making a film that's months away from production, this has been clearly stated by two different sources with a definite filming start of March 14. I don't make articles in my sandbox so I can ask for them to be moved so I can claim credit for it. I start the article as the article is needed. Iffy ref? It's CBS news, their outpost in Pittsburgh, reporting this. It's a sturdy reference as Pittsburgh is where the movie is being shot. The site has used casting calls as reference for filming starts before, mainly because a casting call is something that requires the actors to start a certain date. The casting call informs actors when the film starts shooting. Wouldn't that be something you'd want, as an actor, to know so you aren't left in the dark and get in trouble for not fulfilling your part? I only ask for an exception because, like I said, its only three days away. I'm not the one who needs to ask permission to make an article. If you want to wait until the 14th, so be it, but I cannot see why you're deeming CBS news unreliable. I've even found the casting department's website, stating the date. the casting department of a film would not lie about the production start. Rusted AutoParts 23:50, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You added Silence (2015 film), which wasn't going into production for 5 or so months. You complain about Assassin and then you turn around and do the same thing. I have asked you repeatedly to drop it, you cannot and then you make hypocritical statements. You also reverted me twice, which is against the rules of your probation. I guess you have never heard about bad weather, an actor getting sick or "production delays". I am holding you to the same rules you want Assassin to be held to. Bgwhite (talk) 00:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I was going to redirect Silence once I had all current info on it so it would be up to date when filming began and all I would then have to add was filming beginning. I won't persist on, but come March 14, it will become an article. CBS is reliable. I wasnt provoking anything, that wasnt the intention and I'm not expecting different treatment, I was only hoping for a bit of an exception as the production is only three days away. I won't revert back. Rusted AutoParts 01:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

No Bgwhite, it doesn't matter whether filming begins or not now (because Rusted is trying to create it)...but when I was in it he was always the first to chase me and comment against me. When I was in it he made these issues of WP:NFF but now he needs exceptions to create a film article when its not started yet. I think SummerPhD should check this, he thinks I'm the only one here in the future articles. Bgwhite stopped me last time to comment in Rusted's conversation at my talk page so I stopped, but now Rusted is really insulting me by creating all these future articles and redirects like he did here on Fathers and Daughters, Silence (2015 film), Pan (2015 film) and Tarzan (2016 film). SummerPhD should see this Tarzan article, why did Rusted create this? SummerPHD should see Fathers and Daughters and Pan (2015 film) too, which Rusted created even with wrong contents adding in them. What are all these? Do these all need exceptions now?

Please take a look HERE when Robsinden reverted him, Rusted talked HERE and now he has reverted Bgwhite two or three times in the article. I think SummerPhD should keep an eye on Rusted too, I'm always guilty here but no others when they do :(. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 02:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

BG doesn't want us to squabble, so I won't, I'll only address what's been said here. I'm not creating redirects for the hell of it, I'm creating them as they are films in production so when filming comes around, all I have to do is make the article. I'll admit, I kept a few future films intact. Jurassic World and Silence as I felt they had enough sources each to sustain an article. Obviously I was wrong, so they're redirected. Fathers and Daughters was different seeing as filming is merely three days away, I figured we could take an exception here. I was again wrong, so I didn't further the article until the exact day. The difference between me and you is you had a chronic edit pattern for starting film articles when a), they weren't filming, b), you'd push an already existing redirect out of the way to obtain credit and c) created redirects for films that haven't been announced yet. How to Train Your Dragon 4? Peanuts 2?. See, with Pan, Tarzan and the others, they are film in production, so it makes sense to create a redirect as there'll be an article there soon anyway. But what you did was the wrong way of doing it. Feel picked on all you want, that's not the goal here. I'm simply starting the foundation for a film that's been confirmed to be made. Not swallowing up every announced film to have creative credit. Rusted AutoParts 03:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

See, I don't have a problem with you personally. I just don't understand why you want to make all these redirects/film articles. I looked at your created articles section, and in the span of 10 months you created 56 film articles. It took me 4 years to create over 30. Don't you want to make contributions in other areas as well, balance it out and allow other editors to make an article? I make articles on occasion, and balance that out by editing the Deaths section, actor bios, wrestling, etc.

Again, I'm only annoyed with the shady way you're operating. You originally moved redirects to unnecessary locations, and now it seems you doing something similar, but via sandbox. It's just me reading into things, I believe, but I can't help but feel its still a dishonest way of creating articles. I really don't want to start anything. Fathers and Aughters is redirected until the 14th. Silence until it begins filming, and same with the rest. Rusted AutoParts 03:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I admit I was wrong with them redirect which I created even when the announcement made of a film, but I've stopped. But as you are saying about Silence and Jurassic World, the Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tarzan (2016 film) has enough sources now, I think it should be created then. It is also in production, has enough sources, so you also opposed to it just because I created it...but when it's your article you would say "it has enough sources to sustain an article". What now? Please don't remind me all those redirect...I was 100% wrong with them, but look at present what you are doing and what I am doing. I've simply submit it for creation but you created articles' edit history even with wrong information just to take credits of them. And you always criticize me that Assassin wants credit of them...what about you? You don't want to take credits of all of them...like Pan, Silence, Jurassic World, Fathers and Daughters, Tarzan....etc are the most recents and big examples of them. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 04:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I've also nothing personal problems with you at all, ask Bgwhite...I've told him already that I tried many times to make even with you, and to finish all fights between us. But you always started them, I even always tried to keep away from your discussions even I've got many chances to get into your discussions but I kept myself away. But you...you always get into my discussions and opposed me, Bgwhite can say that. Now about film articles...I'm actually most interested in films so that's why I usually work on this topic...and about creating articles, actually I'm best in creating new articles. And you can see my latest articles, I've expanded them as much as I can find sources for them. So Wikipedia doesn't say which user has what to create and which to create, like you are interested in this. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 04:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm no saint. I never attempt to say I am. We're all flawed because we're human. It's not often that I make articles, I only create them or redirects when I know its a sure thing. Pan, Silence have been in production for awhile, as well as casting, so to me it made sense to make them. I don't establish edit history so I can have the article and save it from deletion. I am simply saving those the hassle of making an article in their user space, requesting the redirect be merged, wait, then delete it and move the user space. I didn't vote Delete so I can spite you, in fact I also optioned for Redirect. Since it did get deleted, it made sense to me to create the redirect again as it is a developing production with cast. It's just not filming yet. And same goes with the rest. It's for necessity. Those articles will be created eventually, may as well get a start on them. I was only against your methods because it inconvenienced alot of people. And I'm not saying don't create film articles. I'm saying at least let others do some of the work from time to time. We are a collective of individuals willing to provide our services to this site, we should let them contribute as well. That's what I do. I may create film articles, but only when I know its going to get made. BG, apologies for this. It's good we ironed this out a bit. Rusted AutoParts 04:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, Why? I've asked you multiple times to stay away from Rusted. What do you not understand? Do not bother Rusted!! Bgwhite (talk) 04:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay Bgwhite, I'm out of here, but look at him now, he always criticizes me and now he himself doing what he blames me of always. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 04:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Buren Fowler's work with Combat Veterans, Alumni with WWP.

Being a close friend of the Fowler family, I was up with Paula and her children and friends and warriors of the WWP project all night trying to find the words to capture the beauty of what Buren did for everyone - was what I had written done so in the wrong format? It is extremely important that this wiki page be absolutely factual and historically accurate. Your edits are greatly appreciated - I'm new to the wiki scene - but with Buren's passing being only hours ago the information posted on the wiki needs to represent his life accurately and and in a timely manner. Thank you for all your work, there will be a plethora of edits to come - Buren's work in music and charity spanned his lifetime - not just the years he spent in a few bands. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Averyhise (talk • contribs) 12:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Averyhise, I removed two paragraphs. First one started out as "Buren Fowler was not only one of the greatest guitar techs in the industry - he was a great American." This is called puffery It is not encyclopedic nor neutral to say these things. He may have been the greatest tech and a great American, but how does one quantify this or references this?

The second paragraph on the WWP project was not referenced and also used puffery. There needs to be an independent, reliable reference about his new technique and that it was "proved highly successful" . Bgwhite (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite - thank you for your commentary on puffery.... I've contacted the WWP, there will be substance enough to satisfy your needs, I'm sure. Also, as someone who served in numerous combat tours... Buren was in fact a great American - (ref: 5th pillar of Wikipedia). Thank you for your kindness and your humanity. Although your methods of editing are surely tier1, Buren's unorthodox teaching were very much indeed highly successful... He, with purpose, saved numerous high risk combat vets from suicide, drug abuse, homelessness. This can of course not be verified due to HIPPA. again, please ref wiki pillar 5.

Thank you... More to follow. A. Hise (talk) 03:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks for defying talk page consensus at Scarlett Johansson. I wasnt edit warring, I was upholding the result. Three editors disagree because there's no confirmation. Stop jumping into things that you aren't familiar with because you want to get at me. User:Tenebrae wasn't warning me, he was letting me know another editor was making pointy reverts. Tenebrae is one of the editors against the info being added until confirmation is made. Rusted AutoParts 12:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

European vs. European

On the Nationalization of history page, BG19bot changed from European to European, with the comment "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix for #61. Punctuation goes before References." Is this the correct way to make an adjective a link? Morfusmax (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Morfusmax, the description only described one act that was completed (moving punctuation before the reference). However to answer your question, yes that is the standard way to make an adjective or a plural form into a link ([[Europe]]ean not [[Europe|European]] or [[cat]]s not [[cat|cats]]). It is described at WP:PIPELINK.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Strike that, it is detailed at MOS:PIPE. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:25, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Script for WikiProjects

Do you know if there is a scrip or something, where one can be able to choose which WikiProject an article belongs to and adds a template to the talk page? This would be great to have, if an article does not belong to a WikiProject yet.

If I don't remember completely wrong, I think I saw one once. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Never mind, I looked in my .js history and found one I had (but never used) a long time ago. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 12 March

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

• On the Stichodactyla toxin page, your edit caused a broken reference name (help) and a cite error (help). (Fix | Ask for help)
• On the Panamax page, your edit caused an empty citation error (help). (Fix | Ask for help)
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Fixed all. Nasty syntax on all three. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Kill Your Friends (film)/Adaline (film)

Please review the User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox15 and move it to Kill Your Friends (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 02:33, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Will you please take a look at Draft:Adaline (film) too, the filming has begun now, please move it to Adaline (film) - thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 10:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello B, I've created a redirect HERE, I've mentioned in summary that my sandbox will be moved here. Is it OK? --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 05:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I would say no. You shouldn't be doing redirects as that got you in trouble in the past. The movie will begin filming in a month. There really is no purpose to the redirect. Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

What if someone creates it, I'm working on it for days. That's what I want to ask, would you merge it if someone does? (Don't take it as I want credit, I'm just asking and because I've worked hard to find sources, collect data and add them.) --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 09:42, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

First off, you shouldn't create film articles until filming starts. It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a redirect, a person still can create an article and put it there before you. A merge would have to be done on your part... you can edit the page and add/remove what you see fit. Bgwhite (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

converting tables

you missed a th, but no worries, I am going through and double checking all the ones that I didn't convert :) Frietjes (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Page hijacking

I see you reverted me here on Nagapuri. What is page hijacking?

A while ago I noticed after editing restrictions were put into effect on List of programmes broadcast by MediaCorp Channel 5, a redirect was shaped into an article very much like the original. Is that what "page hijacking" means? Why do people do it? I patrol recent changes, so if there were signs I could look for that would be nice to know. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 17:25, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf18) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on March 13. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on March 18, and all Wikipedia wikis on March 20 (calendar).
• You can now view smaller versions of PNG images bigger than 20 megapixels. [16]
• You can now use the new search tool (CirrusSearch) on all small wikis. You can now enable it in your Beta options. [17] [18]
• You can read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for February 2014. [19]

VisualEditor news

• Searching for template parameters in now case-insensitive. [20] [21]
• Required template parameters now have an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. [22]
• Several template dialogs are now smaller, and their insert buttons have changed wording. [23]

Future software changes

• You will soon see an error message if you try to log-in or register with an invalid or taken username. [24]
• You can now test first version of a tool that includes OpenStreetMap maps inside the UploadWizard. Comments are welcome. [25]
• You will soon be able to use the Hovercards tool as a beta feature. [26]

Problems

• VisualEditor was slow to load on March 13 because of an API issue. [27]

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07:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Parsoid-based online-detection of broken wikitext

Hello Bgwhite, your feedback here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia#Parsoid-based_online-detection_of_broken_wikitext would be valuable and very useful. Hardik95 (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Help me

Hello Bgwhite, I have seen that you operate one or more than one bots. I'm typing this message to ask you for some help. Actually I'm creating a new bot. Its feature are:

• It will detect vandalism
• Revert suspicious changes by IP users.
• Detect and report repeated vandalism from a single user in 24hrs.
• Will archive discussions

over all it will result a retirement of Cluebot I and Archiving bots. It will be a two in one. I have created the source code in py (python) language. But after some hard works I suddenly realised that I don't know how to implement the scripts so that the bot start working (i.e testing) and I don't know how to operate a bot by a seperate account. So, I'm here to ask if you can help me do this. Or give me instruction, how to implement it (I prefer step - by -step instructions) and how to take that bot for approval. You helps are very much appreciated, Thanks. Jim Carter (talk) 22:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar, sorry for being late as I've been sick the past few days. You can run the bot at your home computer or at http://tools.wmflabs.org I do both methods as one runs everyday at the same time while the others run when I can watch the output. Easiest if you get it working at home first. Wikipedia:RFBOT is where you request approval to run a bot. You can create a secondary account anytime by using the same methods to create your user account. Just have to have the name "bot" somewhere in the username. Bgwhite (talk) 20:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Great!. So can I use the name "Jimmy the Bot" for that secondary account ? Jim Carter (talk) 20:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yup. Bgwhite (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm likely to create that account within the next few weeks after some testing. I will ask you for any further help if I face any problem. Anyways, I will notify you when it's ready for use. Thank you again. Jim Carter (talk) 21:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Valérie Donzelli Changes

Hi Bgwhite, it looks like your recent fixes to the Valérie Donzelli page inadvertently ruined the formatting, making most of the content disappear. I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how to fix this. Could you take a look at page and fix the formatting? chronophoto (talk) 19 March 2014 (UTC)

chronophoto, looks like Arjayay already beat me to it. There are some "problems". We can't use Wikipedia as a reference. Wikipedia is unreliable because anyone can edit. There is no need to add links to the French Wikipedia version of an article when one already exists in English. IMDb is also unreliable because anyone can edit, so its best not to use that as a link too. It can however be used in the external links section. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I will convey your feedback to Constycrispy (talk), who is working on this article. chronophoto (talk) 18:27 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Get Hard / D-Train (film)

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14, and move it to Get Hard - Filming has just begun, thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 19:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

And this User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox15 to D-Train (film) - thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 20:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your editing and showing me how to. I'm a native speaker of Japanese. In Ja version, "Punctuation goes after References." https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E3%81%AE%E7%B7%A8%E9%9B%86#.E8.84.9A.E6.B3.A8.E3.81.B8.E3.81.AE.E3.83.AA.E3.83.B3.E3.82.AF I started Wikipedia 8 days ago, so I'm inexperienced. I'll make best efforts.

Akiko718atWiki (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Typos

Many thanks for fixing my typos in the references section of the "Satellites" article.

Perhaps you could cast your eye over the "Discovery Program" article for similar errors if you have the time to do so? A huge amount of work recently went into filling in the blanks. -- 79.67.241.255 (talk) 10:46, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

79.67.241.255, done. Ask anytime if you want it done again. Bgwhite (talk) 18:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional fixes. I am relieved they were small in number. As they were mostly "obvious" I am now wondering how I came to make those typos without noticing them myself! -- 79.67.241.255 (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Taking you up on your offer, "Abiogenesis" could maybe do with your critical eye. :) Additionally, I suspect there may be one or two duplicate references in there. -- 79.67.241.255 (talk) 11:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

79.67.241.255, the article looks clean. Bgwhite (talk) 18:12, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Revert of my edit at Tree

Hi, I have explained my actions on the talk page at [[28]] Please comment there. ?oygul (talk) 02:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Automotive lighting

Hello, Bgwhite. I come to respectfully object to the blind-revert (looks like the automated revert with the Twinkle) you have done on the Automotive lighting article. You gave the reason in the edit summary, "unexplained removal of referenced material". I think you have maybe taken not a close enough look at the editwork you reverted. In it, I addressed the template/tag issues, I removed the unverifiable and questionable material (some with very old "citation needed" tags), I replaced the stroudy image with the clear image, and, the important part, I added good WP:RS refs as well as cleaning up some strange kind of formatting on some of the existing refs (e.g., the ISO symbols). Of course I don't say I made the article perfect, and maybe I might have introduced the new problems (for example, my English is not a native level). I respectfully ask if you find the new problem, please just fix it or tag it, instead of just blind/auto-revert the whole productive edit thus deleting much new improvement and referenced material, whether the editor has the IP or the logged-in name. Thank you for considering it. 24.87.84.143 (talk) 17:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

24.87.84.143, careful with accusations when you don't know your way around here. Twinkle does not do reverts. It was not an automated revert.

You did remove valid references. You did change and broke valid references. You broke some other things too. You removed sourced content. You did add some good material and refs. It is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff when there is one huge edit. Instead of making one huge change, you should break it up into smaller chunks. Give your reason why you removed paragraphs or references. Bgwhite (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, friend. Thank you for pointing to the references I did remove. I have replaced them (and fixing one that was rotten and no longer worked). I have also taken away the pure WP:OR fancy stories about the possible maybe future of the distributive lighting systems (swivel driving lights on mirrors, etc) that were not supported by any of the references and, according to my deep and broad search, are not supported by any evidence anywhere. They were added to the article long, long ago and never had any support at all. This is the example of "questionable/unsupported material may be removed", so I removed it, a valid thing for an editor to do on the Wikipedia. That is the explanation for the material removal.

Now, excuse me please: I did not make the accusation at you. I made the objection. It is different, and if it seemed like I was making the objection I will have to apologize again for my un-native English level, that does not make me un-informed or ignorant or unworthy to contribute to the Wikipedia, and you (Master Editor) know that. Please look again at my first comment to you here, and you will see I made the consistent effort to use the respectful tone. I am sorry if I did not fully make the success, but I do also object to the quickness you assume I "don't know my way around here", maybe because I have the IP instead of the login name (then you don't really know my contributions history on the Wikipedia going back how many years), and the way you revert/sweep away the valid contributions that are including the addition of the new valid refs because you don't like some other part of the edit. At the same time, you do exactly the thing what you say you don't like (remove the valid refs and the valid material from the article). I do not want to fight, that is not why I am here. There is space for every sincere contributor to make the improvements on the Wikipedia without getting stepped on or kicked. Thank you. 24.87.84.143 (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf19) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on March 20. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on March 25, and all Wikipedia wikis on March 27 (calendar).

VisualEditor news

• You can now double-click or press the ↲ Enter key on an image or template to change its settings. [29] [30]
• Pages that don't exist will now show as red links in the edit mode. [31]
• You will no longer be able to try to use VisualEditor on pages translated using the Translate extension, and you will see a warning if you try to edit pages marked for translation. [32]
• You will now see a full warning, including the most recent log entry, when you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor. [33]

Future software changes

• Typography Refresh will be enabled for test wiki and MediaWiki.org users who use the Vector skin on March 27. For users on non-Wikipedia wikis, it will be enabled on April 1, and for Wikipedia users on April 3. If you don't use Vector as your skin, you will not be affected.
• You will be able to use the Hovercards tool as a beta feature on all wikis from March 26.
• You will soon be able to include the Whatlinkshere special page in other pages. [34] [35]

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18:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Interested in a FAC review?

Incidentally, I have Mucho Macho Man up for FA. Interested in doing a review? Montanabw^(talk) 21:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Your motives on Russians

What was your motive? Was the distribution of images or the size itself? Initially I thought it was the size that you didn't tolerate because you referred to readers with poor eyesight. But after you mentioned that the Ukrainians page also used the method you were proposing, it seemed that it was the distribution used that you were changing. If indeed it was the latter, then I'm sorry for coming at you hotheaded. Khazar (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Khazar, the reason I came to the article was to change the kludge to the template and not the size of the images. The kludge is really ugly to deal with, but it was the only way to add multiple photos. I copied the template from another article that had three photos in a row, which is why the size and layout of the photos were done that way.

I personally think the photos you had were too small. I'd rather be able to see the images clearly rather than have more quantity of photos. However, you don't have to do that. I'm not going to revert or question whatever layout you think is best. This is why I kept saying add more photos. But, I'd really like to see one big photo of Kournikova :) Bgwhite (talk) 21:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. The images will probably be enlarged eventually once I get around to it. I'm thinking the best size would be 75x85 or somewhere along those lines. If that where to happen, then the rows will be changed to three and a person will be removed. You could do that if you want, I won't stop you. But if you do, be sure to drop a male from the collage because a gender gap is best avoidable. Khazar (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Tumbledown (2014 film)

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox13 and move it to Tumbledown (2014 film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 03:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Redone the edits to Geocaching without the mistakes

Hey there,

I redid the edits to Geocaching that you reverted. I hadn't noticed in my first edit that I had accidentally mispasted the URL I was editing into places it shouldn't be! Sorry, that was my fault.

I would request, though, that if you need to do that again, that you'd let me know about it! I understand that my edits probably looked like spam at first, but if you had looked at the edits (and my edit summaries, which I made sure to populate - unlike your reversion), you'd have seen that it wasn't intended to be spam at all. (Plus, it wouldn't make sense to spam *that* URL.)

Thanks! --TheSophera (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

TheSophera, thank you for letting me know. One of the Googlegroup links broke a heading, which brought me to the article. Redundant refs, one of which broke a heading, made me think of vandalism. Don't worry, you'll make more mistakes. I make them daily. Bgwhite (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Surprize, surprise!

Please be aware that "surprize" is not a typo, but WP:ENGVAR. Mjroots (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Mjroots I saw that and I swear I clicked that one off. My mind is playing tricks on me. I didn't know about the spelling, but I figured a ships name could be anything, no matter the spelling. Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

No probs. Br.Eng tends to use -ze where Am.Eng uses -se. Mjroots (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The -ise/-ize Br/Am thing is true of verbs (analyze, minimize, etc.), but if "surprize" actually exists in Br, then it's probably by assimilation to these. Whatever the case, a cursory look says "surprize" (noun or verb) is an older Am. spelling. The Brits tend to Frenchify more, while the Am., like most colonial language, is often more conservative in morphology and sticks closer to the Greek origin -- speaking of the verbal ending here. MukiDog

A cup of coffee for you!

Because I don't know how you focused enough to find all the little problems in Endovascular aneurysm repair without it! Bakerstmd (talk) 22:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you help with a formal issue?

Dear Bgwhite, I expanded the term virtual currency on its disambiguation page to an article. what to do next? Cut and paste into a new page? Thanks.--Wuerzele (talk) 06:34, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Wuerzele, everything looks good. In this case, there is no need to move to a new page. You upgraded a disambig page that needed to become a real article. I did remove the disambig message at the top as it is no longer needed. Bgwhite (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

thanks so much, Bgwhite, didnt realize it was no longer needed...another question: is there a special procedure re changing a category name that is incorrect? can I just change it, since cat. talk pages arent looked at? under the category endocrine disruptors, there are 2 subcategories of reproductive toxicants, male and female, however they are erroneously named toxins. so I would like to correct these from [category:Male reproductive toxins] to [category:male reproductive toxicant] and [category:Female reproductive toxins] to [category:female reproductive toxicant]. I think I will then have to go to all connected pages and repair the links, correct? Thanks.--Wuerzele (talk) 02:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC) never mind I found the answer, but dont know how to strike through the above--Wuerzele (talk) 02:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Wuerzele, as with articles, anybody can change the categories. It looks like you already found WP:CMOVE. Looking at the category history, it looks like the person who added the categories is still semi-active. It's probably a good idea to leave a message on their talk page, including your reasoning. Bgwhite (talk) 06:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Wuerzele: To me it seems as if you have forgotten to list those requests in WP:CFDS. --Leyo 08:17, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Leyo:, "...it seems"? "forgotten"? what's your evidence? no, all cat's were tagged. and why are you here on friendly bgwhite's talk page with that, may i ask? --Wuerzele (talk) 08:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Wuerzele, I also see where it is not listed on the WP:CFDS. Once it is listed there, people who specialize in categories can chime in. This is part of the process. You have to goto the page and manually add it. It's not added when the category is tagged.

Before putting a discussion on your talk page, Leyo took a look at your contribution and saw this discussion on the categories. I do the same thing. Sometimes it's best not to have two separate conversations going on at the same time. I'll ping CMBJ so they are aware of this discussion. They are the one who created the category.

To my knowledge, pinging does not work when no signature is added. For this reason I link CMBJ again. --193.5.216.100 (talk) 16:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is true. Sad part is I keep doing this. Just in case..... Wuerzele & Leyo Bgwhite (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

• There is currently no distinction made between toxins and toxicants of any variety in our category structure, though I would welcome that sort of improvement in precision. As for these two specific categories, there will still be a need for them to exist because of actual reproductive toxins (e.g., Aflatoxin B1), but I make no objection to moving the toxicants to new categories. Best,   — C M B J   07:37, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

@Wuerzele:, see post just above this Bgwhite (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Bgwhite, and TW i put all relevant cat's on WP:CFDS. CMBJ (Caspar Melchior Balthasar and Jesus?), I know "There is currently no distinction made between toxins and toxicants of any variety in our category structure" which is why I tagged them. I agree "there will still be a need for them to exist because of actual reproductive toxins". But aflatoxin will be one of the few examples, outnumbered by toxicants by a factor of 10 in each category. --Wuerzele (talk) 08:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for your generally gnome-like qualities on the evar page

Bakerstmd (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

How's your memory for Olympic rowers?

Hi, I've just made this edit, and only afterward did I check the page history and find that it was all added in this edit of yours. Although it was two and a half years ago, do you recall where you got the information? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:28, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64, I haven't a clue. Remove it. Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

For changing the citation style as I have been trying to figure it out and now that I have an example of what it should be I will add it to my notes: .

+ Chad Noel had a scene with Corrigan in "Every Poolboy’s Dream", and he performed in the industry under several other names, sometimes bareback: Donny Price, Kyle Young, and Craven Cox. He died in March 2010 from an illness related to HIV complications. He was 25 and a native of Laramie, Wyoming.

By the way, could you run a search on "assistance" and change the spelling to "assistance" for the appropriate redirect page? Only one should come up. Thank you.76.170.88.72 (talk) 23:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

That should have been a search on ASSSITANCE with 3 "s" 's I've already coprrected the articles with 3 "s" 's since they were in the text but that last one is a redirect page and there is not a way to get to the text that I know about,76.170.88.72 (talk) 06:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused, nothing new. What article are you talking about? Bgwhite (talk) 21:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf20) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on March 27. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on April 1, and all Wikipedia wikis on April 3 (calendar).
• Typography Refresh was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on March 27. You'll only see it if you use the Vector skin. For users on non-Wikipedia wikis, it will be enabled on April 1, and for Wikipedia users on April 3.
• CirrusSearch, the new search tool, was enabled as a beta feature on over 30 new wikis on March 27. [36] [37]

VisualEditor news

• Blocked users now see the same messages in VisualEditor as in the wikitext editor. [38] [39]
• The search box for re-using a reference in VisualEditor is now cleared after each use. [40]
• New links on sub-pages no longer point to the wrong location in VisualEditor. [41]
• VisualEditor's media dialog no longer breaks when opening some types of images. [42]

Future software changes

• You will not be able to use the Wikitech wiki for a short period around 16:00 UTC on April 1 due to a server change. [43]
• CirrusSearch will become the main search engine for all non-Wikipedia wikis except Commons, Meta and Incubator on April 2.
• You will soon be able to use a new special page listing duplicate files. [44]
• Deleting a version of a file or a version of its description page will soon be shown differently in the logs. [45]

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09:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you advice

Hello Bgwhite, while patrolling through recent changes I have seen this (User:FUCKER2014) user. I think his username is offensive and against WP:Username policy. So, I was wondering if you can advice him to change his username. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 05:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar, I was going to block him for his name and his disruptive contributions, but it seems OrangeMike beat me to it. Bgwhite (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

O..BTW can you add this on my talkpage edit notice also?? actually I like this. Jim Carter ^(talk) 05:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 05:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Protect an article

Please semi-protect this page. Repeated vandalism is going on there; semi-protection for someday can be a good idea. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 02:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Another article Jim Carter ^(talk) 04:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar, ah joy, vandalism. Generally, page protection isn't added for one day's vandalism spurt. Majority of people quit after a day or two, you just have to wait them out. It's the persistent ones or the ones that hop to different IPs that are the "fun" ones. I've put the page on the watchlist. I'll block them if they come back. Bgwhite (talk) 04:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar, the So Fresh article is unfortunately a normal one. There's constant vandalism, but nothing "too bad". I don't do any vandalism patrols. If I did, I'd get very angry and depressed. On my normal routine, I do reverts on 30 or so pages a day. It is one of the joys of working here. I don't know what my block or page protection rate is, but about 20% are requests. Bgwhite (talk) 04:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand.. actually I'm becoming frustrated while dealing with this. Anyway, thank you for your help. Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

ISBN

Don't worry, that was the "Marine" part of me reacting. I also have a good sense of humor side in me. I know the "West Side Story" song that you are referring to. Rita Moreno sang "Puerto Rico, my heart devotion, let it sink back in the ocean". I found it interesting that the songwriters made the Puerto Rican girls sing against Puerto Rico, while the boys sang for Puerto Rico. Anyway, it is all water under the bridge. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Strangerland

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 and move it to Strangerland - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 01:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

SEO tools

Check these. A good collection of good tools. --Tito☸Dutta 20:29, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Where...

...in Table of mathematical symbols by introduction date is (or was) a #2 located in the article? (@NicoV: WPClearner could not find it and returned it in a "check whitelists as 'not found') (t) Josve05a (c) 22:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Checkwiki does find a false positive error. Whitelist is for pages that have false positives, for whatever reason. If I remember right, which is doubtful, It is related to the <<br>>. 22:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

It seems a good reason, WPCleaner wouldn't find it as an error. One way to modify it so that it's not detected anymore is to use &lt;<br />&gt;. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 04:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)