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you wont notice it because pcpcpc has deleted it from its talk page, but i made a few polite suggestions a while back, and pcpcpc's response was just insulting.
Pcpcpc does not deal with other editors in a community spirit and i see no point with dealing with Pcpcpc anymore.
i notice you have received much of the same. Xtra 00:44, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh, sure, and he has already rm me from his page, which I fully expected. The History of that page is a real horror story. Thanks for the wave. --Bishonen | Talk 00:50, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
yeh im starting to wonder whether all his edits are worth the agro. cheers Xtra 01:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The exchange referred to by Xtra is crossposted below, from this version of User talk:Pcpcpc. It was deleted from there after a few minutes, as is Pcpcpc's custom, simultaneously with this edit on his userpage, which describes how badly he has been treated. Pcpcpc's talk page history contains countless other examples of a conspiracy of Wikipedia old timers persecuting and newbie-biting him.
Philip, I came here to remind you of something, but since I see you on this page still taking offence at polite suggestions wherever they offer the slightest opening for it, it hardly seems worth it. Apparently you still regard yourself as a "newbie" deserving of extra special wikilove but with no reciprocal duties of courtesy. It was a strange concept to begin with—most new users don't seem to entertain it in that form—and it's stranger now.
Your claim to "doing other people's work for them", as you write above, is simply unreasonable, apart from being badtempered. Everybody's a volunteer on Wikipedia. It's not anybody's duty to do any work: not for instance to add cats, to create cats, or even to get it right when they try to do these things. (I get annoyed at malformed cat trees too, but I'm resigned to the fact that the logic of cats defeats some people). It's not your duty either, nobody's forcing you to, as far as I know: I'm sure you're doing excellent work, that it is a very valuable project for Wikipedia, but then who is Wikipedia? If you don't like the work, don't do it. You needn't bother to blacklist me, I won't trouble you again.--Bishonen | Talk 00:27, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Good. Please stick to that. If you had read the above you will see that I have also had some appreciation. I wonder how many people you have driven away from Wikipedia Philip 00:29, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
My heavens! What an insulting comment! Why do you need appreciation for the work you've done from other people? Don't you achieve satisfaction from the work you've accomplished? You should seek the true cause of happiness and satisfaction within yourself. There is no satisfaction from anger or blame, and that is no lie. --littlebuddha, 14 January, 05
Crosspost ends.
I think he is without doubt the most arrogant "know all" I have encountered on Wikipedia. There is obviously a problem with anger management or blood pressure, don't push him too far, I don't want him on my conscience (or anywhere else for that matter!) Giano 07:18, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ooops. I felt I had made a couple of edits that might have been seen as rude towards him, and was pouring oil on troubled waters. I'm just an innocent at large, it seems. I'm also going through a period of disenchantment with the whole project at the moment, I'm afraid, and am considering taking another, more extended, break when I finish The Cantos. We'll see how it goes. Filiocht 08:34, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
On a more pleasant note why is "Mme de Stael" ringing huge bells with me? Is she another of my long lost relatives? Giano 19:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh her! No its not her I'm thinking of, must be some more Stael's about; bit bored here, half hour meetings then nothing, and can't sleep either. Giano 22:09, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Did you intentionally leave that on Pedant's RfA? If so, what's it mean? —Ben Brockert(42)UE News 01:09, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
Did I leave "X-Forwarded-For: 10.0.0.21"...I'm sorry, I'm non-plussed. Did what I left display like that for you? Going back to the RfA page, reloading it, I still see what I meant to leave, but, uh, if your browser takes my sentence as code for "X-Forwarded-For: 10.0.0.21" there's not exactly any point in repeating it here, I'll have to talk round it. You see support vote number 9? The user who signed it? I wrote "Support, [that user]'s point is enough for me." That's not what you see on your screen...? Really? Or, is it what you see, and you upbraid me for leaving a silly vote... ? I went to IRC when I saw your message, hoping to find you there and clear it up, because I guess it can get pretty long-winded in talk page back-and-forth. However. Please tell me how my vote reads for you. I'm about to go to bed, I'm afraid, and long overdue (it's 3 AM in my timezone), but if you reply within 10 minutes, I'll see it. --Bishonen | Talk 01:56, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not on the IRC channel. It's not a big deal, but it popped up on your edit, down in the questions section: [1]. I just thought it was odd, wondered if it was intentional. —Ben Brockert(42)UE News 03:04, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
Right, I see it now. I've asked my son the nerd, and he says, yes, it happened when I saved, yet wasn't spoken by me personally, but by a proxy server, because it's the kind of thing they say. The IP isn't mine. Ah, the depth of these mysteries. Thanks for asking, and for clearing it up. I've deleted it, g'night.--Bishonen | Talk 03:34, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, you don't have to apologize to "butt in" - getting a message from a non-german wiki is still one of the nicest things which have happened to me within wikipedia. In regards to "Short view..." Andreas has looked it up in a very large german literature lexica (the famous "Kindlers Literaturlexikon") and there its called "A short view..." - we have therefore moved it to "A short...". Nevertheless, within the german wikipedia I think users will mainly find it through the linkages within other articles ... Still, since I have translated it, two users have (to my utterly surprise) already gave comments on it on the discussion side...which proves, that articles really do get read. STill, I will make use of the hints to even further link it ... BS Thurner Hof 19:48, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes its amazing I had a look at it a while ago, and made one small change (Ludwig IV to XIV) my German is a bit lapse but it seemed OK to me, on the archiectural side, your bit was a little to complicated for me to fully compprehend. V busy at the moment so not mch time to edit at all. Matthew Brettingham must have been the fastest and least painful FA ever, I may start a category just for him! Hope all well Giano 07:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As a matter of fact I have just had a very nice breakfast of rump steak, hash brownies and all sorts of other things, non of this stale roll of bread and tepisd coffeee here; in fact this is a very nice hotel and I might well stay here for ever, there are no builders, children or other distractions other than a bell boy whose aim in life is to fullfill my every whim, the concierge even stuck the stamps on my mail, if I did not have a boring meeting with the man who is paying for my luxury I may well take a boat trip out on Michigan, allthough it is a bit cold my liking, it all ends though this afternoon and its back to real life. My next article may well be called The Drake and I shall do immenses on site research. Giano 12:57, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) PS I can't access the emails from here so if you,ve sent anything I'll deal with it tomorrow.
Look after my new stub for me, about to get on the plane. Speak over the week-end. Be good! Giano 16:28, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[3] at the bottom.!!!! Ho Ho Ho Giano 16:33, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
e-mail
Thanks, I see exactly what you mean. Sorry I can't join on IRC for a couple hours, but I'd sure like to talk about it more when I can. :) -- Netoholic@ 20:49, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
Cibber
This is a really interesting article--very well researched and completely thought out. (Think if what you'd have charged if you had been commissioned to write it!)
If I were forced to name a part that I was not completely sure about, it would be the Dunce section--specifically, the excursus on Pope and the Dunciad. I know this is a key part or Cibber's interest, but the level of detail seems to go way up here, and we almost get more Pope that Cibber. Maybe this section could be organized as more of a narrative, which might highlight the back-and-forth between Pope and Cibber and help the reader to place all the details? Just a thought.
The only other tiny thing I noticed was the use of the present tense in the Autobiography section. It's a matter of personal taste, but I wonder if the gain in immediacy is worth the loss in uniformity.
But these are all very minor points. It's a great article. PRiis 23:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Mmmmmm!
Yes, he's goimg to get his come uppance sooner or later, but I suspect this is not going to be the occassion. If he were nor so bombastic one could almost pity him. Giano 11:10, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
yeah
I am sympathetic to afu's difficulties. Or would be, if he could bear them with so much as a grain of good grace. But it simply cannot be an editors' task to educate people who insist writing on topics they do not understand, in a language they have difficulties expressing themselves in, in a community the rules, principles and conventions of which they have no interest in learning about. WP is not a free-as-in-beer university. If I decided to contribute to the Italian WP (a language I imagine I am about as fluent in as afu is in English), I should be careful to confine myself to Talk pages. I would not expect people to educate me in Italian, in the subject I choose to write about and in good manners, or I should rightly be shown the door. So, no, I am not sympathetic to afu's plight, really. If you are not qualified to contribute, you should recognize that, and contribute somewhere else.
As for your addition to the complaint -- by all means, please insert it. Feel free to contract my own statement as necessary -- I have full confidence in your good judgement. dab(ᛏ) 11:26, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Stop Now
Please be stop vandalising informative and interesting pages such as The Drake I am only putting on information that other people are too lazy to do. Its users like you that make me want to take an axe to my computer,in fact I think I will. If you bothered to read Hello Magazine you would not have to put in this surpluss information. Since joining Wikipedia 20 minutes ago I have already made 1,3322225555578,000002 edits, that's more than anyone else, now stop bothering me in my crusade to categorise the world. Fred
Complaints and evidence on RfAr
It looks ok. Thanks. nyenyec☎ 18:21, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nothing happens for a week I look in for two minutes on my down to a pleasant evening and what do I find [5]. Is the week not stressfull enough. Giano 21:03, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm off for the evening to join La Dolce Vita speak tomorrow. have fun Giano 21:20, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
my oops
Ew. I almost deleted an entire suburb of Gdansk yesterday. It turns out that there really is such a place as Zaspa-Mlyniec. I should be more careful. For all I know, some of my ancestral tree might have come from there. --allie 22:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Actually, it's a form of flattery. At least I didn't suffer the same fate as Zaspa-Mlyniec. Or the odious newbie. However, I noticed that you noticed it was better to not take notice of my question. You are beginning to take too much notice. --allie 23:00, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I did invite you to tell me what your newbie idea was. You just didn't notice.--Bishonen | Talk 23:16, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
A compliment to you once again-was absorbed in my work. Besides, didn't you tell me that talk pages were an open book (before I erased that comment)? Been spending a lot of time on the Wiki pages. Just found out that 'trolling" was a dirty word. *sigh* Going back to "save the world" next week so won't be a daily presence. I know that I will be missed by so many. Fortunately, saving the world is a part-time venture. "oh her"-littlebuddah --allie 00:40, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
So true, Bish...was "compulsively fixing just because it was about you" now how did you know that??? and how did you sneak that in there??? Inquiring minds have to know before I have to go back and save the world. l.b.
Not sure what the question is there—you had sent me a link to your attempt to make a subpage, which had ended up on your userpage, so I went look, noticed that Restoration Comedy was redlinked, blued it into Restoration comedy in passing—or in the wiki "compulsive minor fix" spirit—and wrote in the edit field that it was about me, a feeble joke that referred to it being under the heading "About me" (=meaning, about you). How did I know...? Well, I authored Restoration comedy, so a link to it is about me... sort of.:-)--Bishonen | Talk 06:37, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I can't beleive there is a category "toilets", this place becomes more lower middle class by the day. Giano 10:05, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Help, please??
I don't know how to revert a page. Something became scrambled when I made a minor edit to Hillary Rodham Clinton and when it was input the second time, the whole page became a hash. Entire paragraphs are duplicated. It isn't hard to do if you know how to do it. It takes HOURS to look it up in Wikipedia Help section. Quick Help?? Many thanks, --allie 18:27, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Try a couple of asprin, failing that the whole bottle Giano 20:10, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hello
Very dull here on Wiki tonight - nicht wahr? Very dull and lonely here too, a bachelor again and is it scrambled eggs or a take-away for one?. There is a new take-away opening at the end of the street the errection of one sign to advertise it has taken all week. Thanks for the copy-edit at Buckingham Palace always nice to write about somewhere one knows so well. Giano
You are mistaken the fittings at Buckingham Palace to which you have refered are in fact not of great monetary value, but of great senti-mental value. Those in the Turkish Suite were in fact designed by the reknowned avant guardist Don Alphonso. These are very unusual and are known to have been enjoyed by many Heads of State. Giano 21:38, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
WP:PR
Actually, I think we should start transcluding pages. That will make things a lot more easy to handle on peer review. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:30, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've converted the page to transclusions. This took a while to do, and I had to deal with a very on-and-off Wikipedia! Kept giving me database errors. But, I finally got it done :-) Ta bu shi da yu 08:33, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think it important that we do explore and discuss the psychological aspects of this important subject, and peoples perceived ideals and reactions to it, so many people see it without realising that possibly that juxtaposition, often the first act of a 24 hour life segment, will effect the next 24 hour period of their life. I think we must discuss the the way that it affects subsequent decisions that we make. Speaking from personal experience if the facilitator has not been correctly primed my mood can experience a huge swing, especially as the act of seeking assistance from the enclosed situation can invite ridicule in the family and office environment. This can have a detremental effect on the psychological health of the individual. Giano 08:52, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
JV
Don't be in too much of a hurry to revert, be patient I expect there is more to come! Giano 17:34, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Check your emails - so far A1 correct. Playing football tommorrow, around in the afternoon. Giano 21:19, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Have you seen this [7]? Giano 23:08, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I despair how could you think I look like Roberto Mancini try this link you will find it interesting [8]
Oh dear, you have obviously had a very dull morning without me, that's why I left you the interesting links to study - we need a good "serious" collaboratrion to get stuck into, but not today because I've had too much beer at lunch time, and now feel tired and yuk. Now go and read up on Inter Milano, prhaps we could expand it to discuss the qualiteies of the individual players. Giano 15:27, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and stop being maudling, your plays have a huge fan club as you very well know. A litte Margaux should do the trick
I'll thank you young Bishoperson not to ask personal questions about my age, or that of my poor sister Olga. Its about time you knew a lady's age is her own business, and when your surname's Dracula age enters a whole new sphere, I'm surprised with all you learning about books and plays you never knew that. Perhaps you ought to read a few instead of casting aspersions on my age. And as for poor Olga, was it her fault men found her attractive, it was only Felix Yusupov who could resist her, (and he used to borrow her clothes) She just didn't like to say no and offend them, that's the sort of person she was. It was because of her kindness and hospitality she was made a regimental mascot of five brigades. When she arrived here in the land of the free, she just wanted to day "howdy" and "pleased to see yer" is it her fault, the business she set up in her five back bedrooms was misconstrued by people who just did not know the meaning of the word hospitality. So lets have no more of your asperic questions please; and you be nice to ma boy, if he had not decided to waste his life, he would be striker for Inter Milano now or at least captain of Italy Di Drakula (Mrs)
PS: and there was that trouble with Olga seeling alchahol to her clients, but that was for medicinal reviving purposes only, and how was she to know alchahol was banned in the 1920s. 10 minutes in private was all she needed to explain, and that Judge agreed completely, after that he smiled and walked with a limp for the rest of his life. That's the effect poor sainted Olga had on folks. So no more of your asperics please! D di D (Mrs)
Thankyou for your message. I'm sure you mean well dear, but since poor dear late lamented Olga "passed over" I am the custodian of her memory and few remaining artefacts, she was always so misunderstood during her lifetime. She was a great and "close" friend of that nice Mr Mcarthy, untill she gave him one chritmas, a toilet seat that played "The Red Flag" when lifted, poor man had no sense of humour. After that all her witty and interesting objects d'art were taken away by the CIA. So no nothing remains apart from her account books!!!!!!!! Which my boy is going to make into an interesting article on this site one of these days, but his flat keeps being broken into..strange. D di D
Something Odd
Have I had an immense amount of wine tonight or is something missing off your page? Giano 21:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
How is it one makes writes that noise made by aggrevated cats "miaowww - miaowww - miaowwww""? Giano 20:29, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Really, Giano. Methinks you have plenty of experience taming felines in your time. However, modesty dictates that this discussion be moved to another forum? Perhaps... a femme fataleshoe flinging at atavisticItalianmen who should have the Good Manners to know better then to do this on User:Bishonen's talkpage? Tsk, tsk. Time to hit that merlot, Giano. --allie 20:50, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I beg your pardon
What are you talking about Bishonen? Please explain, if it concerns the family please by email. I have to go out now back about 4 I hope Giano 14:08, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Footnote Feature
ask Alteripse. His invention
I tried
(both to stay away from WP, and to Deutschify de:Benutzer:Bischonen:)
regards, dab(ᛏ) 15:19, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
that's right -- I remember you replying in Swedish to Gubbubu's Hungarian now :o) "tippen" is the verb, but the typewriter isn't called "Tippschreiber" (although a (female) typist can be called "Tippse"), and the keyboard is simply called "Schreibmaschinentastatur" ;) dab(ᛏ) 09:40, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
genial idé
check ungdom sända med posten , Jag har har en genial idé Giano 14:15, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Bitte? - Ich kanned sie nicht verstehen, aber, ich denke, mein Deutsch, ist sehr ungrammatisch und auch sehr altmodisch weil ich habe gedacht dass eine "tippse" war eine "Stenotopystin" Aufwiedersehen fur jetz! Giano 08:59, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Marxissant
Just a bit of that. You know how it is. I'm in mind of oppressed masses and those who do not know which way the wind blows, even with a weather man. Geogre 04:07, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Plagiarism
Regarding [9] I don't think much at all, without the development of the English country house the whole page is meaningless, to start with the already metaporphised University of Virginia, is like writing the end of the story without having the plot unravel. I see it does stae i is also in English, quite flattering really. I'm sure the Swedes and Elks will be thrilleded to have such interesting information at their fingertips. All OK with Cal, he seems happier today. Giano 09:12, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gallery is 50 metres, I'm just about to save a vast chunk in the garden section.
Hi, have followed your sugestion with the captions - then I read on the talk page some-one wanted ceremonies etc. So I have written it, sparkling chandaliers included. God forgive me, I hate that sort of tripe, sounds like its straight out of some lovely woman's magazine. It will bring a tear to your eye. Any way its done see what you think, it need a good copyedit, but I thinnk all aspects have been covered, shame there aren't more photos though. Giano 17:18, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
PS: I forbid you from even thinking about moving that page! Its the funniest thing I jave seen in years. Giano 17:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Paragraph inserted just for you, all true too!!! Somebody else has very kindly copy edited it, but it still may need your input, it need to be a little bit more upbeat, I like the Eleanor Roosevelt story needs a few more (but they MUST be true) Giano 20:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh, many apologies for gazumping you on WP:FAC :( I'll withdraw.
But I still like it :) -- ALoan(Talk) 01:17, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
PS - to lower the tone, I still think You are X and I claim my £5 needs a mention, since most people (well, me, anyway) will only have come across him before in Brighton Rock. -- ALoan(Talk) 01:21, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Well, once you and Geogre get the article ironed out to your satisfaction, I hope it really does go FA. Anyway, it's good everyting's settled up for now. PRiis 04:23, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
???
What's all this [10] about then? Giano 12:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Just sent you an email on this very subject. Probably lower case I should think? Giano 15:02, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Krag-Jørgensen
No worries - no conflict that I noticed. Just saw the comment on the danish rifles and tried to make it a bit easier to understand for a non gun-nut ;) And I do very much appriciate your help in cleaning it up. WegianWarrior 16:15, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
John Day
Picture's OK now. Thanks Giano 16:20, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Learn to be charitable in old age :-D Giano 18:48, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Peer review
This is my last bit of maintenance before I bow out due to too much criticism for a thankless (even if necessary) task. I've put back Eric W. Weistein and Karl Marx because we (in general) remove after a month. We won't be able to get any comments if they aren't listed! Also, I notice you haven't put them in the archive. Please do that, as it's part of the maintainence of the page. The other two that weren't appropriate I don't have an issue with. I've put Wikipedia:Peer review/Shakespeare's reputation/archive1 on the archive page. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:50, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nah, don't give it up! I'm not going to after all. I was just letting off steam. I'm going to perservere and continue maintaining that page. A lot of the articles that come through are pretty interesting! - Ta bu shi da yu 00:15, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I left a response on the PR talk page. For you, Ta bu, I disagree. To make PR more dynamic, we need to remove stale listings. If someone is going to ignore commentary on a page they listed, it should be removed. - Taxman 14:52, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I'm sorry if I treated you like a vandal. This could not be further from the way that I think of you! I was having a shitty day yesterday, and I managed to piss off quite a few good contributors. Hence today I am mending fences. Sorry! I missed/forgot about the whole debate on the talk page. The thing about the talk page was that it was just that: talk. I'd like to humbly ask that you come back to help me with peer review, but this time would you be able to update the instructions? If you like, I'll give this a shot. Now that I understand where you are coming from I can see what's happened. I really must apologise and hope that you'll find it in your heart to forgive me for my lack of tact and my irrascibility! Will you come back to peer review? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:09, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
P.S. the reason I was feeling shitty was because of this: [11]. I basically got accused of leaving personal attacks on her userpage via anonymous IP address. Note: I live in Sydney. Sorry that you bore the brunt of my upsetness. :( - Ta bu shi da yu 23:15, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Gah! CheeseDreams is at it again, and she's basically wasting my wikitime :( Check out the talk pages of User talk:Ben Standeven, User talk:FeloniousMonk, User talk:Bensaccount, User talk:Sunborn and User talk:Rd232. Under Special:Contributions/81.156.182.159 CheeseDreams posted that I was acting POV. Nice. I also notice she didn't have the guts to make a note on my own user page if she had a dispute with me. I find that cowardly! Anyway, I'm quite missing the point here why I'm sending you a message: I wanted to keep you in the loop with what I'm doing with peer review. I've actioned your suggestions by adding a note at the top of peer review instructions (your feedback on that would be appreciated!) and also I'm starting to go through the list asking people to action the feedback and to inform them that we will be archiving unresponsive peer review requests. I hope this will go some way to livening up the peer review page! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:37, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've updated the instructions. What do you think? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi just in cas you have not fixed it I have reuploaded it, but it need to be retagged. If you've sorted it already put a speedy vfd on it . Regards Giano 09:35, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry I sorted out the problems with the John Day (printer) image, very simple really it was a case of the Parmigiano out of alignment with the calcagno and godzilla, I'm suprised you had not spotted it. The image size now needs to be corrected to whatever PRiis wants it, and then all is well. Any more problems don't hesitate to ask. oops must be off so much to do on Wikipeida today Giano 17:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
NEVER underestimate a Sicilian! Giano 20:33, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Cibber and Shakespeare's reputation
Very sweet of you to invite me to work on the latter (my first wiki-hug; lovely) but I simply don't have the knowledge for it - I'm better on restoration theatre and a bit dodgy at that as I fear I may already have demonstrated. I might try and get round to fixing Betterton's article, you're right it's terribly stilted. I do have an article somewhere about Charlotte Charke that I keep meaning to upload. She was a right one. Will that do as a consolation prize?
--Mr impossible 00:40, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Didn't get it
Didn't get your e-mail. When I tried to send an e-mail to myself through WP, I didn't get that either. I'll try sending one to you. PRiis 04:56, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot of things I don't get either! Thanks for the copyedits we have moved things to User:Giano/ECHs where we can hopefully avoid unwelcome interferance, titles are Wetman's sugestion which provide a skeleton, and can then be altered as the page takes form. Hope all OK - she's called Portia, or Porsche depending on your interests! Giano 13:46, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sent you a mail
If you did not get it, let me know . Filiocht 14:50, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
I've enabled e-mail on my account for the moment. Try sending me one. Filiocht 16:20, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
Glad you like my additions; more to follow, I hope. A good joke which makes a pleasant change from the (to my mind) insane clamour for inline references in articles. Do people know what an encyclopaedia is at all? Filiocht 09:26, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
Lets just leave it where it is for now. I'd actually like to play with it a bit more tomorrow. Filiocht 15:37, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
Nafaanra
Thanks for copyediting the lead section of Nafaanra language! I've sorted out the with/between issue, it was confusing indeed to mention a dialect that was introduced only later in the article. — mark✎ 20:00, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sorry if I appeared to be ignoring your review. I've never done peer review before so I didn't know that I was supposed to respond to them. Your advice was most helpful. Thanks for taking the time to look over the article. I posted a brief reply on the review page. Kaldari 06:41, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
ALoan thanks Bishonen for xir most gracious invitation, but would not like to gild the lily. -- ALoan(Talk) 17:09, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As you saw, I gave in... -- ALoan(Talk) 11:12, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That article
I stumbled across it a couple of days ago; was wondering whether & when you'd move it from your page back into the the main namespace...but I agree it would make an excellent April 1 featured article. I particularly liked the desciption of the Celtic section on the talk page, iirc, TRHs -> civilisation. --Tagishsimon(talk)
you guys are brilliant. really, this makes me warm to Wikipedia again. Hope to see it on the frontpage on April 1st! dab(ᛏ) 09:48, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Have to say that working on this has helped me see wikipedia as fun again. Filiocht 11:01, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
I trust everyone has noted the fine advice on references we've been given on WP:FAC? Filiocht 14:38, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of which, check out Everyking's vote. I don't have the time, could somebody please go hug him for leaving a tiny opening for the serious reading we all advocate? --Bishonen | Talk 14:47, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Peer review
Thanks for the note about the peer review page. I do think it deserves a chance since it did go through the VfD process; I'll probably just wait for someone else to relist it. My first reaction when I happened across it was to keep it. But as I thought about my reasons and how I thought it should be improved and realized there was pretty much no chance of it ever becoming useful, and most likely harmful - misinformative and serving to perpetuate stereotypes rather than explain them. I think it's saying something that the people who are adding new stuff to it don't bother to link to them that have their own wiki entries, usually opting instead to put them in quotes, as if that provides some additional meaning. The issue of people adding entires for slurs and the like - I think that a redirect to 'ethnic stereotypes' would be better. I think the most important issue to come out of this is that the reasons to keep apply to the case of adding a Racial Stereotypes section on each ethnic page - after all why have a list of features of things yet not talk about those same features on pages that already exist for those things? --Paraphelion 00:37, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Seen the PR page lately?
You should really check it out! There has been heaps of feedback on that page lately! Barely any articles aren't getting any :-) So well done on the instructions and maintenance. We should feel proud of our efforts to get this page to the level of FAC (though it's obviously got more emphasis on encouraging the authors than FAC does - necessarily so). - Ta bu shi da yu 03:18, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think the oldpeerreview modifications are fine. I was toying with the fact that we should put them in boxes, like Template:FACfailed does... what do you think? - Ta bu shi da yu 06:43, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That's fair enough. I would like it to look a little more aesthetically pleasing through. - 07:06, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Toilet paper
Hmmm... I'm not that fascinated with toilet paper, but I felt that little nugget of information shouldn't go unheeded. Might I suggest, however, that we don't go overboard on the whole toilet paper issue? I think it has limited, er, "scope" and might annoy other editors, ala the amazing reproducing Ashlee Simpson articles. Just a thought. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:40, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Who doesn't need help? Helpless giggling here. I must get back to 'real life' real soon. --Theo (Talk) 19:47, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hostile interaction
Hi, Bish (if i may be so bold w/ yr name), nice to hear from you, and i apologize over my typical difficulty putting much specific content with people's names. I'd have to go back and hunt for that interaction, as i'm afraid it's gotten pretty murky in my mind. But your tone abt it and the emotional surround your name has for me suggests a trip down memory lane, via our respective archives, would be a good use of time for me sometime next week.
While i try to be careful abt using technical psych terms like "paranoia" this casually, i do understand why you might apply that one here: i was, e.g., quite surprised to read
How are you proposing to damage my "future" here?
in response to my saying
...but IMO you have no future here unless you recognize you've made a beginner's error, and learn from the experience.
In my mind that was advice about putting off colleagues, and eventually making enemies of them, which i'd have thought (if i'd felt the need to even consider that Philip wouldn't assume good intentions) he'd understand it as i intended. He especially should see the pertinence of that in light of his already having had some interactions here that he finds worth complaining about!
I assume (at least generally, and of course perhaps inaccurately) that editor-focused-RfCs will be more specific than the general "interaction style" issue you refer to, so that the ed in question already has their course of remediation clearly laid out for them when the comments concur with the certifiers. Thus my comments would probably be directed as much at trying to clarify the up-side option as at documenting the down-side offense. IMO this is also fairer to the ed whom the RfC is focused on, and may be necessary even when much more difficult. And i assume you'd agree that if feasible, such clarification would be more efficiently and less contentiously done before opening an RfC; perhaps in fact you already envision that, and i am the one who is getting the cart before the horse.
As to waste, no one favors it any more than Luther favored sin, but IMO our "edit boldly" is based on the premise that we can't know in advance which edits will be wasted effort. Luther wrote "Be a sinner, and sin boldly", and i favor wasting effort, and wasting it boldly, since we don't know what's a waste in advance. There were plenty of things i could have said to Philip, honestly and with good intent, that i was pretty sure would make him angry again; i was pretty sure those were a waste. But he was clueless about something he wants to know, and the way his obsessions keep him from finding out little [wink] things like Contribs and collaboration is no reason to leave him clueless. I suspect my last to him was the only thing, other than (possibly) silence like Mav's, that wouldn't provoke him. And who knows what getting an apparently non-sarcastic thank-you out of him may mean? Probably that i wasted my effort, but i waste boldly. [smile]
--Jerzy(t) 17:40, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks, thanks, thanks. You know, I really can't stop working on it. So check out my latest additions to the References section :). I tried, nevertheless, and have nominated Nafaanra on FAC upon your suggestion. Oh, I see you have voted already. I'm slow. Warmest regards, — mark✎ 23:31, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
-- and thanks from me for the cookies (although I would have preferred a leaf of toilet-paper in this case :P ) I'm glad we went through with the case, now, and I suppose it also strengthens the position of the sane editors on hu-wiki. dab(ᛏ) 11:47, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
More publicity
In case there's anyone who hasn't heard about your special article, it has an entire story dedicated to it in The Wikipedia Signpost. It was an inspiring subject; I can only hope that I rose (or sank) to the occasion in writing about it. With respect to the insinuations of Eurocentric bias, my defense is that the demands of artistic license made me do it. Otherwise I would never dream of smearing your good name (and let's not get into what I might smear it with). --Michael Snow 11:01, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Byzantium, etc
Sorry, I've been away. Will check it all out later. Filiocht 08:25, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Mile High Club
[[ |thumb|left|100px|Noble Order of the Eagle ofChiaramonte. Motto: Soar high above all earthly matters]]
Hi
Glad to see you've joined the club - This page needs to be archived, it has taken me 10 minutes to reach this point! Now I've forgotten what I was intending to say Giano 20:19, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I find it very distressing that you are obviously following me, could you please assure me of my personal safety. Giano 22:20, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I refer you to my point above, is it not enough that already today one editor today has left because of persecution! Giano 13:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Wish someone would challenge the history of srchitecture of BP I'm on safer ground there, I've a horrible feeling Mark's next point is going to be the execution of a court curtsy, where I will be revealed as an ignorant fraud who has never performed one! Giano 13:21, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed, along with those luxurious fittings which still remain. You may notice a slightly cynical note creeping into the new the World war section, hoping to attract a little fervour from the pro-monarchists who seem to be suprisingly absent Giano 16:01, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[[ |thumb|left|30px|The]] We understand you have a problem with Us being accorded the definite article . Kindly remember your station here before firmer measures have to be executed. Regards LizRII.
The Article on L. Paul Bremer
I apologize for any inconvenience my deletion may have caused you. At the time, my intentions were to remove just my contributions to articles on Wikipedia; mine alone not anyone else's. In summary, I was personally attacked by another user and the attack supported by a second user for NOT criticizing the subject matter Paul Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority. I believe the phrased used was "Why are you so dogged...?" for my defense towards this "person" and went as far as asking me if I had a personal connection with the subject matter. And as I explained to a Wikipedia Admin. yesterday, I will not partake in anything that mandates "criticisms" I do not agree with. Therefore, I submitted my request to have my contributions removed including my account if necessary. Paradigmbuff 13:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
A now for something completely different
Something will soon have to be done:[12]Giano 15:40, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Can't he be banned for ever, amd all his edits reverted for all time? And his use page have a large photo of the Empress of Blandings indelilably imprinted upon it. Have just finished a very successful week and paying with the computer before returning to the home for the insane, Portia now sleeping on my bed, and me being told off for complaining about it, apparently she's lonely - wish I was! Giano 16:06, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Wish I had some friends! Giano 16:17, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oliver Cromwell had genital warts! Giano 16:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I pushed your image Image:John Vanbrugh.png to Commons:Image:John Vanbrugh.png, and changed links to Image:John Vanbrugh.jpg. I'm wondering how you "digitized" the image, exactly. Did you use a scanner? Or a camera? And whatever you used, did it produce PNG directly, or did you do some conversion afterwards?
Well, you saw where it comes from on the image description page, right? "User:Bishonen has digitized this image from an early 18th-century portrait of John Vanbrugh, by artist Godfrey Kneller, reproduced on the cover of "Sir John Vanbrugh:A Biography" by Kerry Downes." That cover reproduction was very nice, high quality, glossy, excellent. I asked my kid to scan it, since I wanted the best possible digital image (for my baby article), and he's a lot more skilled than I am. So, a scanner was used, and I think he was able to make a .png directly, which he told me was the format I ought to prefer. I shouldn't think he'd do it a way that he'd need to convert it afterwards. But if you want better info than this on procedure, software, etc, I'm afraid it'll have to wait till he comes home, he's out in the streets presumably mugging oldsters and/or taunting skinheads. Back tomorrow morning, with any luck. Best wishes, --Bishonen | Talk 20:08, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I put that info at Commons:Image:John Vanbrugh.png already. I'm just a little paranoid about getting as much information as possible. Thanks for the scanner info; I've added it now. If your kid has any more technical details when he gets back from mugging, please let me know. dbenbenn | talk 21:50, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Will do. Very nice to see that the Main Page images are now getting protected! Wouldn't like to see Jack Vanbrugh turn into Hitler there, the text vandalism on the day will do me fine. Bishonen | Talk 22:22, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kid's still alive, no skinheads out tonight, I suppose. He scanned it in GIMP and produced a .png directly (seemed indignant at the idea of such as he converting stuff). Looks good, doesn't it? I love the little cracks in the 300-year-old varnish showing up in the scan. Oh, and he actually scanned it at 600 dpi, which the original glossy couldn't quite live up to, and scaled it down to whatever it was that I uploaded. The humungeous unscaled version, which looks horribly pixely, is available, in case you'd like me to upload that? Btw, I think the book's author, Kerry Downes, should be mentioned in the Commons description, not that he has anything to do with the cover, but for maximum identification of which biography is in question. Just my 2 c worth, maybe it's not customary. (Or maybe it's even embarrassing, to be so indecently frank about ripping off a print source ;-)) Bishonen | Talk 03:52, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, the portrait looks great. That's one reason I bothered asking about it. I didn't realize those were cracks in the varnish, though. I thought they were wrinkles in the cover!
I think it would be good if you could upload the humongous pixely version. It isn't actually used in any articles anyway, so the fact that it looks bad doesn't matter too much. And who knows, maybe someday someone will be glad of the extra resolution.
About Kerry Downes: try holding down that down arrow key a bit longer. Check the "References" section. :) There's actually slightly more information about the book there than at John Vanbrugh#References. dbenbenn | talk 04:44, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
(Outdenting.) Wrinkles, feh! That's Godfrey Kneller's varnish cracking all right. Yes, I thought you might prefer the one with the maximum info. I should mention that it turns out, though, that the scaled-down .png wasn't just scaled-down, it has also had the colors adjusted slightly—we made Van a little pinker, I think. (I figured the varnish would have gotten a little yellow in 300 years, too.) Adjusted amateurishly, since no one here is a big-time image expert. Somebody who was could doubtless color the humungeous one, which I will upload completely without messing, much more delicately, if desired. However. I should upload to Commons...? That's outside my experience. It would mean creating an account there, right...? And then overwriting the existing image...? Or can I just name the new one John_Vanbrugh_2.png and upload it on wikipedia as usual, and you can collect it there? Or would that mean yet more images would need to be deleted? Perhaps you could walk me through what you would like me to do? Best, Bishonen | Talk 16:30, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Whatever you want to do is fine. I'm perfectly happy to clean up afterwards. If you're going to upload pictures in the future, it would make sense to go ahead and snag Commons:User:Bishonen. Then you could just upload over Commons:Image:John Vanbrugh.png.
Uploading to the Commons is just about the same as uploading here. Just have your big original as John_Vanbrugh.png, go to Commons:Special:Upload, put in something like "original untweaked version" as the upload summary, then say okay when it warns you about how there's already a file by that name.
Your amateurish color adjustment turns out to be a wonderful reason to upload the original, un-messed version. See Commons:Image:Pretzel.jpg for an example where I did the same thing.
Man, that pretzel looks delicious. OK, I registered on wikimedia and tried, and got "Sorry, we have a problem. Your upload is too large. The current upload limit for Wikimedia is 8Mb." So I asked wtf on IRC, and got told the Commons upload limit is normally 20 Mb, but apparently now temporarily it's 8. The point, though, is that my file is too big anyway, it's 22 Mb. (Told you it was a big scan.) I suppose wikipedia is the same limit—anyway, right now it's 8 Mb, too. So I got a crapload of free advice about ways of making it smaller... had some trouble getting people to grasp that the *point* of the exercise was to upload the original, unmessed. (Shock and horror: "What is that, a .tiff?) Sigh. So, what would you like me to do? Send it to you via yousendit.com, as somebody recommended on IRC? If you'll give me an e-mail address, I'll be happy to. Bishonen | Talk 19:49, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Could you send it to me by Wikipedia email? I have a few tricks up my sleeve for losslessly compressing PNG files; I might be able to sneak it down to 20 MB. dbenbenn | talk 19:54, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I can send attachments through the wikipedia mail...? Sorry, I can't see any way of doing that on the "email this user" page. You'll have to tell me how. Bishonen | Talk 20:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Er, that didn't occur to me. I'd never used it before. Anyway, I sent you an email, so now you have my address. dbenbenn | talk 20:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Peer review removals
Pardon me, but I thought the purpose of peer review was, I don't know, peer review. Review, by your peers, of articles. Just a crazy idea I had, I guess, since I couldn't find a single other outlet for getting, you know, peer review of an article. Not RfC, not Village Pump, nothing. Considering that one of the items on the page for the Monty Hall problem, whose sole problem was convincing one (1) clueless user that he was dead wrong about the solution, my request didn't seem at all out of place.
And call me timid, but I've never been crazy about unilateral action in deleting stuff, especially given the hoo-hah and cries of censorship Cantus caused when he did it for Clitoris and Autofellatio: I prefer consensus and advice -- peer review, as it were -- before taking action.
Oh, and if you're going to insult me, have the good grace to do it in front of me instead of behind my back: I stumbled over your comments on Ta bu shi da yu's talk page and I gotta say I resent your tone. And for the record, I'm a he. --Calton 05:59, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC
Thanks for the flattery in WP:PR and, more importantly, for the fine edits to the article. Filiocht 09:24, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
You really are detemined to turn this article into something worth having. Thanks for pointing out my (plentiful) slips. I am, I imagine, the world's worst proofreader, lacking the required patience. Filiocht 11:32, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
Never did kiss that stone, I'm afraid. My modesty re proofreadingis anything but false, as the few publishers I've ever had have always been keen to point out to me. Seriously, I am pleased overall with the article, but mortified by some of the errors you and others have found. The main thing is that the 'facts' are accurate, though. Don't think there is anything else on the internet that serves quite the purpose this article does at the moment, so for that reason it was worth doing. Plus I enjoyed rereading the poem after a gap of a few years. Filiocht 11:56, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
All the tired horses in the sun/How'm I supposed to get any ridin' done? Hmm.Bob DylanFiliocht 12:10, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
Masterly simplification of the last sentence of the opening paragraph. I have been thinking about Ta bu shi da yu's question overnight [yes, I know; I dream in wiki] and your solution is more elegant than any of mine. --Theo (Talk) 11:36, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Although I did not pen the original sentence, I have to confess that I miss the old-world of a piece with. Filiocht 09:06, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
See, I warned you. Filiocht 14:05, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
You're quick. And maybe just a tad given to overstatement? Thanks for the support and for translating of a piece with into Wikenglish. Filiocht 11:40, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, thanks indeed for leaving out the bathroom fittings, although some may feel that I've included the kitchen sink. It seems to me you've thrown down the gauntlet and someone is bound to suggest a clever plan for splitting the page up. I'm just going to beaver away at the associated list until the war is over. Filiocht 11:46, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
They call me the King of Plumbing (New Depths). Theo, hope you do join in the fun. Filiocht 12:56, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, that beats everyking, as they say down Ballygobackwards way. Well, I'll freely admit that I do not expect that many people will read it; we Poundians are a smallish sect. Filiocht 14:33, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
As I remember from my days as a student of mathematics (chalk and slate, the thwack of leather on flesh, great times) flowery language = words I don't understand and can't be bothered looking up and sentences with more than two clauses. I like the Colley Cibber article very much, and figured that by making the 18th c. factor public, I might deter those who object after reading the article, leaving you to face only objections from those people who have no intention of reading it. Filiocht 12:36, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
When you think about it, the fact that 14000 words on a modernist poem is likely to make FA means that the battle for acceptance of high culture on Wikipedia is all but over. There are a couple of other good candidates at the moment; Colley and the French cardinal, so let the Simpsons beware. Leaving all modesty aside, I do think it is a good article and something that could be of real use to people encountering the poem for the first time, and I'm really happy witht he comments on FAC, which make the huge amount of work that went into the article seem more worthwhile. Love the April 1st entry, which I had seen via the link you left on Giano's Talk page. (I have you guys on my Watchlist; so what's it like to have a stalker?). Filiocht 09:48, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Die Nasty
I find that image offensive, and persecutious! I am a very busy editor, and am not here for amusing jocculations. If you lived in a house where you trod on lego every time you padded about in bare feet you would not be so amused either. Now please attend to your editing, or my mother will not like it - and you know what that means Lustro di Anima
File:Camila charles.jpgA Royal Wedding Souvenir: We find it so distressing not having a watch list to see what everyone else is up to!
Congratulations on Main page today. Filiocht 08:25, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations
John Vanbrugh finally gazes placidly out at the casual visitor to Wikipedia. Geogre 12:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rural Frau
She looks OK to me, I can understand it good. Hope your day went well, all quietish here. Giano 18:49, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Good Morning
See you are up and editing making up for lost time yesterday, all very dull today here. Giano 11:01, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Already read it! - very good. Very bored, off to go and watch a lot of little boys play touch rugby, the highlight of my day. Been working on my new page Benjamin Mountfort very dull though, can't find any dirt on him. I'm just info gathering on Mountfort, then I'll re-write it for fun, to see just how borring a man can become a featured article, such is my life. Giano 11:42, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Alas, I was only able to shave 0.5% off the big version. Perhaps eventually they'll raise the limit above 22MB. In the mean time, at least you now have a backup copy in case your computer crashes. dbenbenn | talk 17:49, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Persistent sentences
Of course I don't mind. Keep and reuse whatever fits the need. When the time comes for Dunces, I'm sure I'll find other notes to jangle together, and if I really need to repeat myself, I will. Geogre 05:29, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A footnote!
Thank you for the praise. I confess to a quiet pride in finding a way to enhance such a finely honed article. Such pride, indeed, that I considered reconsidering our domestic policy on TPHs: Standing on the floor, we a vertical rod upon which we thread four rolls. --Theo (Talk) 14:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ah, the Native American model. Sadly it falls outside the scope of the article, but nice to know it still has its adherents. Filiocht 16:15, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
How to organize a get-together in Stockholm?
Bish,
if, hypothetically, a well-known wikipedian were coming to Stockholm and wanted to
have a get-together at a nice restaurant here, how would he or she (or I) make this known
to Stockholm-based or nearby 'pedians?
Advertising on sv: probably would miss many, as you've previously pointed out to me.
Thanks for the copyedit at Benjamin Mountfort- much appreciated. He's a borring old sod, but I'm rather fond of him - I might make him famous to the world one day. Giano 17:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
E-mail
Hi there - my WP e-mail goes to my home e-mail address - unfortunately, I can't check my home e-mail from the office, so I'll have to check whether it has arrived when I get home. -- ALoan(Talk) 18:50, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sorry - didn't get home until gone 2am, and checking my e-mail was the last thing on my mind (back at work now too). I'll try to remember this evening. -- ALoan(Talk) 10:35, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But I did read it this evening - many thanks for the sensitive thoughts. It was very kind of you to write, and abolutely no offence taken whatsoever :) Did I support it already? (Browsers have kept crashing on me in the last few days, so forget where I have got to and give up.) -- ALoan(Talk) 01:42, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It is a very sad story, but I'm sure you can persevere. An entire continent will appreciate your efforts. Giano 19:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Nice edits thankyou. Please dry your eyes befor the next sad installment. It needs a lot more information and pictures yet, before FA, I'm a bit nervous of that department at the moment - as I had though it was a simple democratic vote. Giano 09:49, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Welcoming Doctor Mengele
Yikes - I wasn't even paying attention when I did that. Please understand that had I been paying attention, this is the last thing I would have done. – ClockworkSoul 00:31, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ist April
How have you acheived that? As a matter of fact if you look at Raul's talk page (where I hang out for absent crumbs of comfort for poor BP now wearing the mark of shame) you will see he is alraedr planning on grooming a page for April 1st. Announcing a joke rather spoils it I always feel but then I have an odd sense of humour. Giano 11:49, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But even my reknowned sense of humour is wearing thin a bit now:One obeys his commands and leaves the unfortunate man alone and now I have this distressing tirade launched against me [13]. Don't feel the need to leave a message I think it best if everyone tries to keep him calm and stable. Giano 12:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Cibber
This vote is turning into something of a triumphal march, too. Maybe Raul will forgive the tph April 1st listing given that you are such a historian of ideas? Filiocht 15:44, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Nice to see that the tph article has such dedicated, not to mention demented, admirers. I saw the vote asking for late Cibber facts. Same person who wanted me to be less flowery, I think. Can you dig up any flowery facts? Filiocht 16:36, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Pcpcpc
Hi there! Thanks for your warning. I do believe his allegations against you are unfounded, not to mention uncalled for. As for me, I will not stand for his public libel against me or us on his talk page. I have asked him to remove it, and if he does not I will certainly call for mediation here. This has gone way too far, and he will only start picking on the next newbie (e.g. DaveTheRed) who disagrees with him if this is not somehow stopped. Yours, Radiant! 22:24, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Well, that was fast :) Pcpcpc has removed the libel, and now simply states he will henceforth ignore all of our posts. I've checked his recent edits and he doesn't seem to talk a lot to other users on talk pages, so I guess we're ok for now. Radiant! 22:30, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Cantos
Have you seen my new objector? Informed, well spoken, but not quite on the money, I fear. Filiocht 08:55, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Political correct
Hi, Just left a short note to anyone who may be interested on his talk page, its short so will be easy top revert without anyone else's edits having to be blended in. Giano 10:14, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Email
I don't know, because I'm not at home currently, and that's where I have my email account that I use for Wikipedia set up. If it's urgent and can't wait a few hours, you can explain on my talk page, or if it's better not discussed publicly, I can try to check my ISP's webmail service for the account. --Michael Snow 22:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
BM
Yes I saw, how nice to have somebody say something pleasant, I don't think he's quite ready for FA yet, the standard seems to have risen there suddenly. I see some kind person has reverted our names off 'the list' and Mr Smiley has not reverted yet, perhaps its the dawning of Aquarius Giano 10:20, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No! Only a little tiny one digitally low, which is part of a collage, I might have a go at editing it, but it will still only blow up to the size of a postage stamp. I've a bit more info to add yet - do you think its that good then, I'm not so sure, everything seems to have gone very highbrow, or stuff about which I do not understand. I went to have a vote a while ago and nothing appealed greatly, perhaps I'm getting old. Giano 14:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No there isn't sod isn't it, have just sent you an email - have to log off now. 213.122.51.121 14:46, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my appointment as an administrator. I appreciate the pat on the back this represents. It felt nice to read the comments during the voting. Please let me know if you see something I should be doing as admin, as I intend to be fairly passive unless it is clear I should do otherwise. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
The Cantos
I guess the test case was won, an 81Kb article has now made it as an FA! Did you see me showing off another talent here? Filiocht 08:33, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
Mmmmmm very interesting Filiocht (nice Spanish). In the interests of personal safety, I shall keep my opinions on the subject to myself The Italian Stallion
No sooner dicho than hecho, so to speak. Filiocht 10:50, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
To quote Krazy Kat; Ah, Spanish! The language of onions.Filiocht 11:18, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I thought he looked in need of a shower and a decent shampoo Giano 19:33, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC).
I don't know what you mean, I've never met any funny people on this site at all, they are all charming and delightful! Giano 16:52, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Pedant
Hi Bishonen, upon reading our first interchange on the Peer Review request of Force Dynamics again, I just want to say sorry for being a little pedantic. I guess I got carried away a little by my enthusiasm for Cognitive Linguistics when I was explaining some things. The whole chatter about the representational device was out of place because you pointed out yourself that you already had understood it. I always feel a little awkward myself if someone is ignorantly lecturing me, so I just want to say sorry for being that way. It's no big deal probably, but I want to let you know that I value your thoughts and judgement highly. Kind regards, — mark✎ 09:27, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Almost Donne
A quick re-read of the novel itself is about all that stands between me and a completed Oroonoko, I'd say. If you haven't looked lately, you might want to now. It looks prettier. I found some pictures. Geogre 22:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Categories
These are a subject close to my heart, while Mr Mountfort may have been a member of New Zealand people he did not show up as such. I find these edits of your's very distressing, after all my hard work, the least I expect is gratitude and appreciation. Sicilian Kiwi
Chuck Two image
You get another image on the Main Page! Cool! Any more information you have, like for Image:John Vanbrugh.png? I think I might move this one to the Commons, too. dbenbenn | talk 00:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hiya, Dbenbenn, I simply downloaded that Chuck Two image from the web, unfortunately, and cropped off an unwanted bit in Photoshop (that's why it's a .png, on account of the cropping). I'm pretty sure this is where I got him from: http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/images/charles-II_lrg.jpg, though there are other versions out there. Pages on royalty aren't an interest of mine, but Raul mentioned on IRC that he intended to feature Charles II soon, so I asked if he really wanted to disfigure the Main Page with the grotty BW image in that article (it's a mystery to me why people would pick the worst available image for their Featured article, Main Page or not, but perhaps there's some system to it). Anyway, predictably, Raul said {{sofixit}}, so I did, and he held off locking the template till I was done. But if it's nice high-res homemade scans in general that you're after, you could do worse than check out Image:Country Wife 1st ed 1675.png and Image:Country Wife 1675 cast.png, that my kid made the other day from a facsimile edition of Wycherley's The Country Wife, for an article I'm working on. They're BW, therefore amazingly "small", in spite of all the resolution. Bishonen | Talk 12:14, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Cracked myself up tonight. I went to a dog page and found a picture of my friend there. Ok. That was funny. What was funnier was the caption. Elf is a truly amazing dog page editor, and she put that picture onto that page and wrote the caption. I dropped her a note telling her that I will try harder in the future to clean up. Geogre 03:25, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
That reminds me, have you seen this [14], I have a shrewd (very shrewd) idea who is responsible. Little things please little minds She has been having a lot of men friends hanging about lately though! Giano 07:30, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Supporto della Carta Igienica
No I had not; and I suspect it will not be considered factually acurate, what's the point of a fool that has to be true? Al Capone
I responded on the talk page to the effect that a hoax shoult not be a factually accurate article but a believable lie. Filiocht 09:15, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, you're asking the guy with the 80kb article to give you tips on accesibility? I'm afraid that all I can say is that I think it's perfect: well-written, informative and highbrow enough even for me. No doubt, others will find fault, but I can't. Filiocht 15:24, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
God, you're good at the flattery bit. I'm very busy today, but will try to do some copyediting tomorrow. Then I disappear for 4 days, thanks to our national holiday. Filiocht 13:26, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
The Country Wife kicks butt, Bishonen, and you know it. Even if the highbrow stuff doesn't make a big wave, we've got to at least keep trying. One less Smurfs article on the main page will be no bad thing. One less video game is good. I'm just back from my involuntary exile from the ether & added a new section on Oroonoko that I had never seen before (it's the section on Historical significance, although that's not really a good title for the section), and I know I use a word that at least one person will not believe is real. Anyway, it's no homicide, just an emanant truth. Geogre 03:21, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, I've made a few minor changes, but your own shorter words blitz did most of what I had in mind. Take it to WP:FAC now! Filiocht 08:55, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
Masterly recasting of the Beerbohm story. Good job! --Theo (Talk) 22:00, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Bishonen, thank you for your support and the kind words on my adminship nomination. Now I'll slowly have to get used to my new admin powers... Kind regards, — mark✎ 20:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, I found a bigger version of the same photograph of Elie Wiesel, which I've put up. It's a bit darker than I'd prefer, but it's perhaps a little clearer. See what you think. Best, SlimVirgin 21:51, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
POV in 1911
I found another howling example of POV from a 1911 Britanica article on Wikipedia. The following is from The Lord Arlington (Behn's spymaster):
"Arlington was a typical statesman of the Restoration, possessed outwardly an attractive personality, and according to Sir Temple "the greatest skill of court and the best turns of art of particular conversation," but thoroughly unscrupulous and self-seeking, without a spark of patriotism, faithless even to a good cause, and regarding public office solely as a means of procuring pleasure and profit. His knowledge of foreign affairs and of foreign languages, gained during his residence abroad, was considerable, but long absence from England had also taught him a cosmopolitan indifference to constitutions and religions, and a careless disregard for English public opinion and the prudential interests of the country."
Yeah, that's NPOV.
BTW, I had wondered where that "anecdote" section came from. I know I'm not fond of it at all. It seems quite irrelevant and stylistically jarring, but I'm old and inconsiderate and ungracious. Geogre 23:04, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Poetry analysis
Hi Bish: BradGad, a new user, overwrote Poetry analysis with an excellent article of his own on the subject. He soon realised that this was a breach of protocol and reverted it out but there was some great stuff in there so I restored it to a subpage. Could you help by applying your enormous intellect to the merging of the two articles? (I am copying this message to Filiocht so don't get too puffed up about the "enormous intellect" label; it is mere obsequiousness). --Theo (Talk) 12:43, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In the light of your woeful abdication (and Filiocht's weekly retreat) I made the merge myself. It still needs work but, as you imply, this is best done by people who have left the seventeenth century behind them. --Theo (Talk) 19:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Tak
Thanks for the nomination. I still need to re-read the novel, so that means a trip to storage. So far, so good, but given the troubled past of the article, I'll be pleased in either case. Geogre 13:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
That was quick!
Quick? Of course it was. We stalkers must be swift if we are to evade apprehension. --Theo (Talk) 22:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Wife Images
Hey, curious as to why you reverted most of my changes. Now the images are nearly as small as they were before. Páll 04:20, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Help!
Hey Bishonen, thanks for talkin' me through my ticket purchase last night. Quick question for you, would you mind looking over Talk:New York City#Reorganisation and adding your comment? It looks like its set to turn into a large edit war. Thanks, and talk to you on IRC. Páll 03:24, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Question?
What is the VERY correct plural in English of Cathedral, I have a hunch it is not Cathedrals? - do you know the answer? Giano 19:06, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hammarskjöld barnstar
Here's that wonderful work of art again: Image:Dagham-Barnstar.png. Use it wisely... That probably means: not at all. JRM 20:53, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
No need
to thank me for my vote. Tobyox it is indeed - I'm Toby in English-speaking countries/circumstances, and I've added 'ox' to that, as 'Toby' by itself is usually already used by someone as a username. The 'ox' bit stands for Oxford - slightly pretentious perhaps... but that's where I live (and study). My Norwegian name is Torbjørn (not Gunnar, I'm afraid), which supposedly means 'really, really strong', but in my Tobyox incarnation I guess I'm a Toby that's as stubborn as an ox, or something like that;) I'm quite used to the discussion of original performers from the world of opera, where it usually was standard to tailor everything to the performers, and then of course having to change everything because your original prima donna got a cold/got pregnant/got married/disappeared/got a better job/refused to sing anything you'd written for her... My only 'problem' with your article is that when it appears on the front page, people are going to think all our Arts coverage must be fantastic, if that's what Wikipedia has on a relatively obscure play... But I think it might interest people who suspect Wikipedia is only for technology-lovers to join:) Tobyox 00:10, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Ack!
Hi Bishonen... You're right, I can see how would seem weird and rude for those comments to be deleted without comment. I don't remember doing that! And just now (when I went back and looked at history) was the first time I'd ever seen Georgre's! He doesn't have a talk page. Do you think it would be appropriate for me to put something on his user page to let him know? Thanks, BradGad(Talk) 13:38, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I found it. thx. :)
FAC
Have you seen the voting? Too bad we don't have more people like you working on theatre entries!. Give that user a biscuit. Filiocht 08:35, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, food and drink indeed. Nice to see a steady flow of literate, high-culture focused FACs. Must say that the Vedem nomination bothers me; especially with the support of the resident representative of the Lares Praestitis. Nice intervention of yours there. Filiocht 09:02, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! Filiocht 08:39, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
That sentence had me reminding myself that envy is a sin. Just wait 'till I get Aphra Behn up to speed, though. You'll see! I can be one of those of whom there are too few working on Wikipedia, too! Geogre 14:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You already are, Geogre, (and now you have it in writing). Filiocht 14:25, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Bishonen, thank you for voting for me in my adminship nomination. I really do appreciate your support. SlimVirgin 00:27, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for re-noming Diana!
Reply
New email for you
Hopefully solved now
Worldtraveller got to it before I could, and based on the statement made now on his talk page, maybe this will finally be the end of it. --Michael Snow 17:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned Philip deleting his list does not make it OK or "solved". He has deleted his miserable lists and other insults many times before. He always posts new ones. I am replying to him on Worldtraveller's page now (not on his own page for obvious reasons).--Bishonen | Talk 18:03, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Look on the bright side he could have done something serious like this vandal [15] that would have brought out the heavy mob. God it's pathetic! Giano 19:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
We are clearly talking someone with problems here. I made my mild intervention because I thought his list was so silly, and because I value you two so highly as contributors to this place; generally, I avoid acting like an admin. But now that I've read his talk page, it seems that we are dealing with something much more than silly here. My view is that I will now try to ignore him unless he is being disruptive, and next time, if there is one, I will be less polite. By the way, how do you get your talk page into your sig? Filiocht 08:36, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the info on the sig. My intervention was little enough, but his response really annoyed me. I really am one of the least active admins here, and have from time to time wondered about being de-admined. It's handy for deleting pages from time to time, and the rollback link I use occasionally. But in this case, I wanted to do something about his blatant rudeness. I suspect that this will not be the end of it, although I'd be happy to be wrong. Giano's description of me has quite gone to my head, by the way. Here goes with the new sig: Filiocht | Talk 10:02, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
You know very well what I meant! Have you checked out the latest on the Italian architect? Giano | Talk 23:24, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Pourquoi?
Very nice, congratulations - but whats it got to do with April 1st? - or is that the joke - Nothing! Oh hohohoho hahahahah chortle chottle that's a good one! Giano | Talk 09:23, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
email, and I don't get your new signature, is it a Norfisk dialect?........G
Agatha Christe [16] all packed, and logging off. Have a have nice week Hecules Parrot
Oh, he's so gorgeous! Is that your work? Now imagine him at 25, galloping handsomely through the French countryside with secret depeches to William of Orange tucked inside his frilly shirt, ignominiously captured, but, nothing daunted, tunnelling out of the Bastille with a spoon! That all really happened (bar the spoon itself). Seriously, I love this version, the brightness and rosiness. It looks great. Mind you, it might not be a lot like the original looks today, but I bet it looks like the original when freshly painted.
Btw, do you have this info on the portrait itself? It's on display at the NPG, and they give the approximate date as circa 1704-1710 (i. e. he's 40-45 years old).
Fine refinements but are you sure about via? Was she making a detour? Most people make trips to the lavatory with some urgency; albeit mild. --Theo (Talk) 13:18, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Don't forget to vote here! — mark✎ 15:08, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
To quote John Adams on tyranny: You fear the one, I the few.Filiocht | Talk 07:38, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
I thank you. Filiocht | Talk 10:25, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
Er ... Bish ... if you delete a word from the acronymic title the acronym fails rather catastrophically. I chose the original size of the picture as a quiet way of emphasizing the acronym: too quiet a way, clearly! --Theo (Talk) 11:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And I forgot to say: I would still like to find better words than "peculiarly" and "implement". Do we know anyone clever? --Theo (Talk) 11:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Surely there is some need to mention the bloody disputes over the metrification and standardization of sizes of TP and TPHs in Europe? -- Nunh-huh 13:08, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Blame User:Viajero, I'm just following up on their ideas, admittedly fairly relentlessly. Filiocht | Talk 13:48, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
Apology accepted! Now, I'd like to see this on Page One next Friday. Are the references in order? -- Viajero 19:55, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Reverting CXI's deletion of the revert war text? Now I have coffee in my keyboard! --Theo (Talk) 16:32, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Condolences about not having the article featured. Keep it. Lord willing, there are plenty more Aprils to come. Sorely disappointed that it didn't succeed. calS!pu kaeps 02:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Lacrimosus. I just woke up to see that the Main page has fake news on it, where a fake article would have killed it. Now my priorities would have been the opposite, but what do I know. Bishonen|Talk 05:48, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
well, what say you, it is FNAOTD, congratulations, and many happy returns! dab(ᛏ) 10:22, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Mozilla, isn't that an Italian cheese? Filiocht | Talk 09:13, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
BP
Thanks for the message. I had expected to deal with such objections as there are. Hopefully G will get a nice surprise when he returns. -- ALoan(Talk) 20:50, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why I'd bother now is beyond me, but I've decided to try to get this up to FA standard. Any suggestions, improvements, etc most welcome. Basically, I'm circling nercously around the can of worms that is Ezra Pound. Filiocht | Talk 08:49, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm not really in form for defending ETPH today: sure you can look after it. Filiocht | Talk 10:01, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
The Works of Shakspeare
For Commons:Image:Hamlet play scene cropped.png, you scanned an illustration from "The Works of Shakspeare, Imperial edition, NY 1875-1876". Was the title misspelled on the actual book, or was it "The Works of Shakespeare"? I wasn't able to find the book on Amazon.
By the way, I think it's a shame the ETPH article was wiped from the main page. dbenbenn | talk 02:51, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, ETPH was on the Main page for for most of the day, something I didn't expect in my wildest dreams! Yes, the book sprelled it Shakspeare all right. This sprelling was so common in the 19th century that I wouldn't by any means call it a missprelling. It was one of the respectable variants, of which there were several knocking around the culturesphere. E. g., George Bernard Shaw consistenly sprelled it Shakespear. Still having fun with images, are you? -Bishonen|Talk 09:30, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Missprelling as in missprelling? (Sorry, couldn't resist) — mark✎ 14:47, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thank you, all the people who voted at my recent request for adminship! I was amazed, overwhelmed, and humbled by the personalness and the kindness of so many of your comments. It was a great experience for me—I didn't even know it felt that good to be overwhelmed and humbled, but it feels wonderful, trust me! There is really only one answer to make, to all of you: Aw, shucks!
Behind the times
Thanks for the picture of John Rich. I just now noticed it there (not on the watchlist). I also saw tonight that Flores and Blancheflour has been heavily edited since I wrote it (of all things). Geogre 03:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(el orden exaltado de la carta higienica) — you honour me deeply, bish, this is the second time you award me with toilety assets; whatever have I done to deserve this? dab(ᛏ)
I too am honoured and humbled by the prestigious award which has been bestowed upon me, and will cherish it always. Semper terge post perpetrans, as the ancient saying goes. Worldtraveller 01:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Anti 'T' bias poll not yours
...Just shows that you and your toiler paper holder article are the centerpiece of all Wikipedia humour. That's why the page is in your user area. r3m0ttalk 12:03, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
Comedy Gold!
For this and everything ETPH I hereby award you the very first Comedy Gold award. Great work ensuring Wikipedia has a community that can focus on the lighter side of life as well as the serious. violet/riga(t) 12:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You're late. There's already the Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png which he recieved today (or maybe yesterday?) from me. r3m0ttalk 14:41, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with more than one! Lets see the barnstar for constant efforts towards the cause and the other for an individual act of excellence. :) violet/riga(t) 15:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nothing wrong in spades! They're both lovely, thank you both so much, and please, please everybody keep telling me I'm wonderful, I can't tell you how addictive it is! :-D --Bishonen|Talk 16:51, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Warning
Be very careful when you open the toilet paper holder, Bish! There is something small and nasty lurking in there. --Uncle Mortimer Doom 22:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi
Trust you had a nice weekend basking in the glory; of course all the awards are yours by right (the rest of us really just picked up the cues and tried to embroider your work), though I must admit I was pleased to have a nice socialist star from Viajero to myself. So, where next? Any other 18th C. gems up your sleeves? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:15, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
More violation, that's what I say. I chip away at imagism, so to speak and am thinking about the Robert Creeley article. I've also adopted an ideal of yours for my Talk link in my sig, as you can see. Filiocht | Blarneyman 10:31, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
1755 Lisbon earthquake
If the Talk page is to be believed, 1755 Lisbon earthquake was named a Feature Article today! Thanks for your support, and my apologies for the misunderstanding during the last round of nominations. (I was distracted and irritated by the media controversy related to the false "hanging priests" reference on Wikipedia, and like Muriel, I think I felt embattled all around. I bit you for no reason.) Sandover 05:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
help requested
Dear Bishonen, I wonder if you would mind moving Ohþere to Ohthere, please.--Wiglaf 19:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You aren't an admin :O ? You're one of the first people, I'd think of for a nomination. Unfortunately, I can't nominate you, because I am not an admin either.--Wiglaf 19:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh, help, no, please. Thank you very much, but [coyly] it's actually not for want of offers . --Bishonen|Talk 20:12, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't suggesting nominating you, just that I'd noticed someone needed a page move and went off to do it (being the resident WP:RM monkey). A little big-headed of you to think I was nominating you for adminship, don't you think? Hmm? Hmm? (I actually did think about it, and you'd make a great admin) :) violet/riga(t) 20:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not an offer? OOOOOoooooo. My head isn't that big any more, it already exploded from all the compliments. They're quite undeserved, as the so kindly lauded nihilartikel is far from being "mine", but who cares about that (chortle) ? --Bishonen|Talk 20:48, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, nobody gave a damn. RickK was kind enough to shoot it down in two sentences, though.
Oh well, it belongs to Wikipedia now. Let that do with it what it will. If nothing, then nothing. At least I've added another victim to the list of failed proposals for extending deletion. JRM 20:37, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
Good Evening
For Heavens sake!: I leave this place for five minutes, I have been wrestling with crocodiles and cobras and you allow TPH and Buckingham Palace to fail, the latter got what the Brits and their Royals deserve! Did you see the comment "Ugliest building" about people with taste[[17]]? that was from one of them too, albeit one that has a name that sounds like something grubby on a wall. No wonder their Empire lasted little longer than one miserable century - no national pride you see. Well I've done my best for them, they're on their own now, can manage their own heritage. I shall be off wikipedia for a while longer as I'm bound for the USA, I'm told there is electronic communication in those parts but who knows. Stay out of trouble!!!!!!!. Giano | Talk 21:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Punctuation
How were my corrections to The Cantos in quoting style "inappropriate punctuation policing"? Please refer to the discussion at the Village Pump, where this matter was discussed. -- llywrch 22:06, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Now that I see what you were doing, apology accepted. Please consider that the tone of my note above was more one of puzzlement, rather than attitude. (And thanks for fighting vandalism!)
I probably should have used different language in my edit summary that commenting about standardizing on American practice -- but faced with the 2 choices & no other basis to choose, I figured that topic decides style. (There were a few British spellings in the article which I didn't even consider changing -- the chore of converting italics to double quotes was enough for me, thank you very much!) And I probably should have discussed this with Filocht first -- he appears to be very proud of this article -- & rightfully so. -- llywrch 23:35, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PFD?
Yes, the "nobody seems to be aware of anything until someone cries VOTE" problem is universal. It basically ensures that unless your proposal is so incredibly awesome or uncontroversial that people immediately embrace it, you actually don't have to bother with any sort of proposal. Local improvements: yes. Site-wide improvements: no, forget it. Of course, once you get to the vote, there's no time to make constructive improvement anymore. So it's do or die for the proposal, and the "do" depends on a simple majority vote. For user-initiated proposals, there is no possibility for consensus, unless you happen to strike gold with a brilliant idea that captivates minds and fulfills a real need.
Needlesst to say, CD isn't it. I did put CD on the Village Pump and I mentioned it on the VfD talk page and I dropped it in IRC for good measure. Short of asking Ram-Man to go spam everyone on my behalf, I don't know what else to do.
Proposals for deletion? Where flawed proposals can be eliminated? :-) Actually, while everybody is just brimming with ideas for improving the process (vide the comments generated by my little straw poll on the VfD talk page, they don't agree with each other at all. Everyone seems to think there's a different crucial problem VfD is suffering from, so maybe VfD is the best flawed solution we have after all. It can't be all bad if everyone thinks something different is wrong with it. The one problem that does crop up with some consistency is that it doesn't scale: VfD nominations come in faster than we can process them, or at least have a tendency to do so if we don't watch it like a hawk. But deletionists think this means we need to expand CSD, while inclusionists think be much looser on VfD and simply use it less (or even not at all). Geogre has some very clear, consistent and useful ideas on the subject that, unfortunately, are based on premises inclusionists most soundly disagree with. Po-TAY-toe, po-TAH-toe, and unless Jimbo himself comes down from Mount Wikimedius and speaks out on what sort of encyclopedia this will be I don't see that changing.
There have been so many proposals for "fixing" the deletion process that people are probably tired of it; they sure were tired of the last batch. Deletionists and inclusionists never see eye to eye on anything, personal opinion with no basis in fact runs rampant, and at this stage, I can't see how things will ever be improved until the backlogs grow so large that the maintenance process really becomes intractable and we're forced to cut the knot one way or the other.
Deletion, pardon the pun, seems to be a black hole on Wikipedia where huge amounts of time and effort disappear into without noticeable improvement to the encyclopedia. Sane people stay away from it. I think it's time I valued my sanity again.
Now look what I've done, I've defaced your talk page with a brain dump. I'm sorry. Feel free to delete it. :-) JRM 22:25, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say, JRM, that I came to largely the same conclusions with my Managed Deletion scheme. It wasn't just that people who came to vote didn't read the talk pages (where they'd have seen all their objections discussed), but they didn't seem to read the proposal itself. "Power grab!" was the most absurd charge of all, as you know, and yet that's what shot it down. I got pats on the head for trying, but no barnstar. No. The work I did trying to figure out something that would prevent abuse and deal with the issue of scale simply drew up the unthinking lines of "us and them" again. I'm interested in a far more academic encyclopedia than most of the "inclusionists" are, and for that I must be "OMG! Against information!!!" or something. It only takes 8-18 months of that kind of accusation to make you retreat to your cave, where you just write 18th c. articles and let the disks fill with TV jokes and then go off to abuse (technically) speedy delete powers. Geogre 03:17, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Buona sera Svezia
Oh Please! - Archive at least half this page, we all know you have lots of correspondence, but we don't all have endless time to wait for the page to download, I am back in my favourite hotel, and have just had a pleasant luncheon and a bottle of Château Pétrus and nothing to do until this evening - would you like me to start sifting through and archiving what I see fit and deleting accordingly? Giano | Talk 19:22, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments
I've decided to personally thank everyone who commented on Wikipedia:Countdown deletion, but you get special thanks for convincing me to give it a shot after all. I thought it wouldn't go anywhere, but people are actually picking up on it. Even if it ends up going nowhere, it's been worth it. So ! JRM 21:11, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)
Hi I 've been away for a couple of days and had no idea. Thanks for riding shotgun. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:22, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
I've just been looking at the history. Who would have believed that we had so many lovers of modernist epics amongst us. Not to mention lovers of commas. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:36, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
the "pretty" part doesn't fit very well either?; let others be the judge, I say. Filiocht | King of Regulars 13:45, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Wierdly, I was planning to say much the same! Anyway, while I am her, please could you bend your enormous intellect towards David Helvarg, the expansion of which I have just completed. I fear that it has become garbled but I have become too close to the piece to judge. --Theo (Talk) 20:44, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And I was tuning in to say something to that effect too — in any case, thank you for resolving the gender confusion resulting from thistwo edits :). — mark✎ 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Theo's "while I am her" is the bit that worries me. --Bishonen|Talk 01:52, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The fingers type distinguished, the face says grizzled. Filiocht | King of Regulars 13:56, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
I am neither her nor there. --Theo (Talk) 00:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Those were some very kind words. -- Netoholic@ 19:38, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)
Drunks
What on earth do you know about intoxication, I though it was one glass of distilled smorgasbord every alternate Christmas in those parts; I of course could write a featured article on the subject (were I not so busy and important, travelling the world at the moment). I shall be back in the and of the world of the Wikisoak towards the end of the week, when I hope to finish off poor old Frank Petre, at the moment he needs a new lead, so until then avoid the liquor.......Giano | Talk 06:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
How's tricks?
Yes. Busy. I get in a few potshots at Wikipedia, but that's it. I have two or three other things going IRL. Kim's going to be disappointed he doesn't get those VfD statistics soon enough. :-)
Ah, and me not appearing on IRC is what probably struck you as unusual, right? IRC is the first to go when you're busy, you know—at least for me. :-) JRM 13:02, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
ETPH rv nonsense
Hi Bish: I saw your "rv nonsense" edit summary on ETPH and expected to find the page blank. --Theo (Talk) 00:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Another woman!
Hey Bish, for some reason I've only just realized you're a woman, and so feel I ought to reintroduce myself or something. Glad to see another one of us around. Best, SlimVirgin(talk) 03:51, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Why hello there Sweetheart!
So your out the closet are you, as you may have guessed I am not a woman but a man, dark haired, rugged featured and considered by many (including myself) to be wildly handsome and irresistible, but with a soft caring centre, witty, amusing, athletic and sophisticated. A bit like the bloke who used to be in the 1980's Cointreau advert - you know the one in the dinner jacket who seduced the woman by telling her about the sun kissed oranges, well we have lots of sun kissed oranges where I come from - perhaps you'd like to come and see them sometime?. In the meantime, If you can try and put this vision (I know its difficult - I understand) out of your mind for a minute could you copyedit Francis Petre for me as I think he is nearly ready for his trial by FAC? Giano | Talk 11:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OMG what have I done! Closet come back, come back! Cat, get back in that bag! Curse the creature! Bish|Bosh 11:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
.........and the there are the fine hairs on the nape of the back of a beautiful woman's neck which are gently kissed by the sun, which remind me so much of the Goddess Venus as they ripple in the gentle sunlight, as I slurp my cointreau........
Yeah, slurp about a gallon of it, by the look of things.--Bishonen|talk 22:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Accuracy dispute
Hey there, many thanks for your message, it was kind of you to spot me:
Hi! I saw your message on Geogre's talk page, which I was giving a check-over because I know Geogre is having major hookup problems atm and won't himself have much chance to read it. He'll be back, but I don't know when, so if your problem is at all urgent, I'm afraid you'd better take it elsewhere. As a housekeeper at peer review, though, can I just ask you about your statement that WP:AD "recommends that in cases of accuracy dispute, you should call for peer review, but WP:PR says that peer review is only for articles close to featured article status"? I thought I was finally finding out why people keep listing accuracy disputes on peer review (creating headaches for me), but when I checked out WP:AD, I wasn't able to find the recommendation you mention. Am I missing it, or is it possible you were thinking of a different page? I see one mention of peer review on WP:AD, indeed, but that's in the infobox, and states quite correctly that PR is for getting articles up to Featured status. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check it out and let me know—it might solve some of my housekeeping problems! Bishonen|Talk 03:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) (P.S. If you do have an accuracy dispute problem, WP:RFC is the place to list it. Bishonen|Talk 03:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC))
Check the history of WP:AD :) You weren't able to find the inaccurate referral to WP:PR (in fact, the two inaccurate referrals!) because it (both!) was (were!) removed on April 7th by User:Mark Dingemanse who also spotted it! Hopefully that will make it easier for all of us. I have left a note of gratitute at Mark's talk page. Cheers for getting in touch with me. VivaEmilyDavies 15:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ha, turns out I've solved some of your housekeeping problems :) — mark✎ 17:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Itallics
Change what you like! All help welcome Giano | Talk 06:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have big crocodile tears arolling down onto my sunkissed cheeks Giano | Talk 14:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have no fears my little Cara-cointreau, I was emailing you even as you left your message. Taxman liked it, that's enough for me, I shall die happy. Perhaps even Mav by tomorrow morning will be buying a ticket to New Zealand to view these wonders of civilization, saying thank you Giacomo for alerting me to my ignorance of these architectural manifestations of a God. In the meantime sleep well! Giano | Talk 21:07, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ancient text dumps
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't doing substantial work yourself, or that the contents aren't original writing. You were just included to help make the point that such things need to be handled with a light spirit, and not taken too seriously. By the way, I see that somebody has decided to take his ball and go home after much "stress" and "harassment" (aka constructive criticism). --Michael Snow 17:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Magnanimous
What a kind generous person you are! Giano | Talk 08:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was referring to your kind vote for may latest humble unworthy little peice of scribling on FA (Today it is St. Humble's day) in the catholic Church! If you want to be bold over by high Italian art and aristo-culture check out my latest magnificent peice of high brow writing Doria Pamphilj Gallery its going to be only for thise with a very high IQ when its finished! Giano | Talk 09:24, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS: Where do you keep finding these dreadful people to keep fighting with? Giano | Talk 09:25, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And are you really real, or just a female-impersonator e-mail account? Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:05, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
It's not a bad bargain, really. I get to be called a pretty boy and all I have to give in return is my life. I like it. Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:05, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
What you talking about on my speaky page, Beautiful Lady? I no understand you, you wanna buy an ice-cream yeah? That Pcpcpc he gone and stuffed his head up his own - I donno the Englisha word Giano | Talk 17:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey! You wanna see something I gotta newa copy-editor, check out edit history of Doria Pamphilj Gallery (that will be the page Man) He'sa called the Toybox. You canna go back in the sauna anda binga drinking, più cordiali saluti mia cara-cointreau!
Yaeh yeah yeah you very witty but what you mean about Pcpcpcp? I no a getting it? Giano | Talk 18:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Anyway i dunno mind the Toybox, cos' he left my artists a properly titled, not with the Americano-Ingleseing of the names - how they like it if I start a page George W Arbusto or Presidente Peli-Pubici No they notta like it all I am thinking! Giano | Talk 18:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ohhhhhhhh! I see, I thought you meant Loch Ness had risen from the deep! what a relief. Giano | Talk 19:53, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
But I do seem to have a stalking non-editing spook all of my own!. Very strange! Giano | Talk 22:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I feel degraded and demeaned. To think you'd ask me to compete in a cattle market. And with a Latin! Women; you're all the same. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:39, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Please do not be racist! My sunkissed race were creating a great civilization, while some other gaellic tribes were still swimming about in the bogs! Giano | Talk 08:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
All I meant was, what hope does a pale Celt have against a tanned Adonis like yourself? Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:53, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
All right, enough already with the disfiguring my page with your ugly mugs! Freaks!--Bishonen | talk 10:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
How did Fil find out about your eating disorder? I have never seen him on IRC, where its is most apparent. --Theo (Talk) 13:25, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hrrrmmf. I'll concede that it's not unknown for my nick's "awayer" on IRC to move directly from bish_lunch to bish_dinner, but what's wrong with a healthy appetite? The unhealthiness, if I may say so, Theo, lies all in being noticing of these things, and now pass me that bish_snack!--Bishonen | talk 16:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Omniscience is, indeed, a great burden; but, "unhealthy"? I think not. --Theo (Talk) 08:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Theo, if you really knew all, would you "think" not? Filiocht | He who knows 08:49, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
For the omniscient, to think is to know and vice versa. --Theo (Talk) 11:29, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) (PS It is very comfortable here on Bish's talk page. Should we move in permanently?)
Don't think it: be it. -- ALoan(Talk) 12:03, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is comfy, and the views are nice. Let's move in for a while and see how it goes. Anyone for tea? Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:16, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
We'll have to do something about the chintz, though. -- ALoan(Talk) 13:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Chrome and black ash, anyone? Filiocht | Blarneyman 13:36, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
Somehow I never though of Bish as a white shag-pile sort of person, just goes to show you can never tell! Giano | Caesar 13:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OMG. Comfy. Chintz. The squatters are coming, bearing strange insults to my modernist functionalist understated Japanese-screened Scandinavian talk page. And bearing edit conflict upon edit conflict!--Bishonen | talk 13:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The dinner table is suspiciously big, I must say. And the larder is anything but minimal. Filiocht | Blarneyman 14:24, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
I think its all very cosy, sweet and gemundlich. Giano | Caesar 15:19, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Grrrrrrr. You'll have to bring your aunts and their Fabergé curios for that authentic touch of Sicilian family life.--Bishonen | talk 15:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Those screens are rather plain, aren't they. We could bring them into the twenty-first century with some post-modernist touches — a portrait of Abba seems appropriate — I will just fetch my paints ... --Theo (Talk) 16:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I really have very little to say to you Ms. Bishonen on the subject of interior decoration, I am a wronged man, had you not wronged me (you know what I mean and May the Lord forgive you your guilt, for I cannot) I was going to upload a shot to prove "Ceasar is the man" a tasteful (semi-nude) portrait of myself displayed in my own home. However I now leave you to drown in chintz, shagpile and whatever that ugly Irishman is suggesting is the epitome of good taste. The wronged one
Sure, wronged schmonged, that's fine. The Blarneyman never strays far from the good big dinnertable, going by his portrait, but that's fine as well. The scary part is Giano turning into....I can't say it...but apparently turning into Hugh Hefner. After horror on that scale, interior decoration is pretty much moot. --Bishonen | talk 19:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank god for pixliness, that's all I can say! Just look what you were doing to the totally innocent Mindspillage—harassing her with that thing! Fortunately the nasty image is pixly at any size, I'll just smallify it. We can still SEE it, but it's the best I can do. This is where I go edit the heading for this deplorable section, I've had it with looking at that hilariously inappropriate "Beauty contest".--Bishonen | talk 21:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nothing pixie about me, may be small but beautifully formed. And to what thing are you referring exactly? I see no thing! You're letting your imagination run away with you. The cool cucumber
Cucumber sandwiches. Now that'd be nice. Theo, where's the ABBA picture? Giano says our hostess reminds him of the tall blond one. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:25, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen's yard in April 2005
Here is my reference photo of Abba, which is not PD so we have to keep it outside. Have you seen Bish's yard? We should be able to have a lot of fun here in the summer. Do you think that there will be a level space big enough for a croquet lawn? --Theo (Talk) 10:47, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hope so, I love playing games [18]Giano | talk 10:53, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We could hang a hammock between the oaks down the end. Stiff white lady sounds like something that will end up on images for deletion. Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:32, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
Do you always have to be so base Filiocht, where is our hostess anyway? Giano | talk 14:06, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
She is as invisible as a footnote. --Theo (Talk) 14:17, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey, dearies? You noticed, below, that Mindspillage thinks you lot are comicgeniuses? If she should return for some purpose and see this section, she'd be in for a bit of a rude awakening on that score, don't you think? Why don't you repair to the safe obscurity of Playboy Mansion or The Bog while there's something left of my good name? --Bishonen | talk 16:20, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It took you long enough to work out that my contributions to ETPH stemmed from the fact that my userspace is a toilet! Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
Well! The ruder awakening is finding that people have been talking about me behind my back while I was eavesdropping—and worse, claiming my innocence... Mindspillage(spill yours?) 15:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thank you for your support on my RfA; it's a honor to be supported by someone with your impressive contributions... yes, right up to the European Toilet Paper Holder (comic genius, that). :-) I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use! Mindspillage(spill yours?) 13:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
invisible footnotes
Hi; there are several "invisible" techniques;
list the facts (possibly as quotes from the article) in a notes section, put each reference with page number next to it.
put the references in HTML comments, I don't like this since we'll need manual searching to find them later. See Geology of the Grand Canyon area for an example of this
use an invisible notes template - just implemented see Template talk:Inote - this seems best to me..
I'll try to write a page documenting these and other referencing techniques.
Good bye Van
Thanks for the revert on Benjamin - how immature some people are! If you have a couple of months to spare perhaps you would like to take a peak at User:Giano/Blen Pal it concerns an old friend of ours, the page has needed a re-write for ages, but I had to wait until I had a day to do it (yesterday). Proper work today; it needs one more final surge about Capability Brown (tonight) and then I write poor old Van off. Have a nice day! Giano | talk 06:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Your's looks OK to me, what are you fussing about? Why don't we start a category Vanbrugh? Regarding my latest offering the second its out of user space every one will want to hack it pieces, (some-one has already done a minor edit) and I've not even put in about the TPHs yet. Giano | talk 12:21, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, if you will talk about it in public places and give us links, we will read it, you know. I have studiously refrained from minor editing, by the way :) We may also look at [19] or [20] just to keep proper tabs on your movements. Just to keep you paranoid... -- ALoan(Talk) 18:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
YES! Have I ever suggested anything to you that I don't mean? Giano | talk 19:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the support
Hi Bishonen. I'd like to thank you for supporting my RfA; in addition to trying to be a good admin, I'll do my best to further refine my reviews of FAC so I can really become the "helpful" FAC voter you see in me :D. Thank you.Phils 19:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. Thanks very much for your vote for my RfA. I promise to be prudent, wise, sagacious and totally unilateral in all my admin affairs. I should say that I am very pleased at the number of people who supported me – it's very nice to know I'm making a positive impact. Cheers again, Smoddy(Rabbit and pork) 21:04, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Pleasing Ms Bishonen be a checking your emailings, I am now going abedding, but hoping in the morning to be seing afresh your talentful writings. Pastorello
How nice to be awakening from my tiring abeddings to see your beautiful copy editings, how luck am I? Did you not know that the symbol of the French is the hen? Oh yes it is. I see you make references to the ETPHs in the summaries, but I have not yet begun to describe the glories and marvels of the state bathroom, but they are coming soon, I am as we speak putting a battery in my digital camera. Thank you dearedt Bishonen for your masterful editings especially the talentful footnotes, I click them repeatedly just for the pleasure of admiting my own beautiful prose and your clever linkage! Do you like the goat, I have called her Cecilia. Pastorello
Thank you, thank you, We know the footnotes are resplendent, would you like Us to put in a few more? Don't you mean the symbol of France is the, uh, c..., er, rooster? --Bishonen | talk 14:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No it is quite definitly a hen, everbody knows that. Giano | talk 15:32, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
All this talk of hens you have confused us all. It seems (now I check my dictionary) a hen is only a lady chicken (I would have thought you would have known that) the symbol of la France is the cock, which has confused me further for reasons I am not going into here, but it seems a funny sort of thing to have as a national emblem. Giano | talk 15:44, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have put Cecilia on a leash and taken her back to live among the sun-kissed orange groves of my page, where she will be happy, its to permafrosted here for her! Giano | talk 13:37, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
User page policy
Sorry I have no time to rewrite it, I'm too busy looking for people to be rude and offensive to. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:46, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
There is no reason why you cant't vote still, i've just written you sort the English, after all matters what do you know about John Vanbrugh? Phuuu (Gaellic shrug - which I am not) nothing at all Giano | talk 21:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That would be nice if it did, I would say. For then I could point a complaining anon to some reasonable section of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style or Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) or Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) :)) where some examples would explain how to do song titles in Wikipedia. But did I miss that section on not capitalizing the prepositions in song titles when I read those pages again that last time? :)) Good to meet you, friend! I especially appreciated and enjoyed what you did with Shakespeare's reputation. That page really shines today--not even six months later. ---Rednblu | Talk 01:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Anne Bracegirdle
Hi Bishonen, just thought I'd let you know that I have added the conflicting primary evidence regarding Anne Bracegirdle's birth to the article. Rje 19:20, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it is from the DNB. I have to say that I agree with you about the baptism being probably the more accurate date. Glad to be of help. Rje 23:47, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Good Evening!
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Just think; some people say that lawyers talk in unintelligible jargon, well we now know they are not alone - [22]. Do you want me nominate you, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick? Oh yes I am home (I won a cup for tennis!!!!!!!) I shall photograph it for my user page. Cecilia had better come home tomorrow. Giano | talk20:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I may vote for you, I will think about it for a while, it basically depends on Cecilia, (old Sicilian proverb: "always be guided by the goat"). Poor old BP has so few votes!!! but of course that has nothing to do with my voting. I will leave Cecilia here a little longer so she may form an opinion. Giano | talk21:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
PS: I notice there is no mention of congratulations of my glories on the tennis court.
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Yes it looks set to go the way of Buckingham Palace pity, but not a lot one can do, I should have put in more "what the Butler saw", and "Lady Celandine's heaving bossom, as she met Lord Wayne on the moonlit night in the Summerhouse, as the nightjars called over the still waters.......". Think I shall give up architecture, and write about Japanese gameshows, failing that find another New Zealand architect! Giano | talk06:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Your RfA
You're going to get more support than I do, I just know it. And then I'm going to laugh so hard at the way you opposed it initially... JRM · Talk 07:52, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I have, incidentally, made some edits to my user page. This normally should not concern you, but in this case I must insist you make no attempt to mirror my efforts on your own page. I thought of it first and I claim intellectual ownership of this idea, by an appeal to simple morality. So basically, you're stuck. Thanks. JRM · Talk 23:38, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Mylady, I hold you in the highest esteem possible, and this I say without the irony my comments are usually laced with. Taking your self-admitted rakish past into account, however, I felt precautions were necessary. My apologies for not assuming sufficient good faith taste. JRM · Talk 00:45, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Finally!
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Instead of an Admin, we shall have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love Bishonen and despair!
Your path lies before you. You should not have looked if you would let anything that you see turn you from your task. But I will say this for your hope: remember that the mirror show many things, and not all that you see have yet been. Some of the things it shows come never to pass, unless one forsakes from the path and turns aside to prevent them.
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There I was, feeling all popular and esteemed with 49 votes, and then you come along and get a stinking 65 votes in two days! Well, I might just have to block you and roll back all your contributions! Worldtraveller11:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Jealous, who's jealous! I'm a TV star anyway, and rather famous and important, so in your face with that :) Anyway, I am quite sure at least 57 of your supporters are sockpuppets who you've been building up for months to look like real people. Worldtraveller15:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Baaaaahhhhhh meeeeeehhh and humbug
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Oh! I read your link, this is all far too complicated, I am taking my goat home (she's been neglected here) in order to have an intelligent conversation with somebody. Cecilia and I are forming a clique of two, and are going to write highly POV articles about the world's major buildings together! Giano | talk20:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
My goat and I have just spotted this[23] which seems to be from some extremely unpleasant person, as I have said to you before "Where e do you meet these people?" Following your advice on the subject my lips are still sealed (Well almost) should you wish to post this somewhere more prominent please feel free:-
Regarding Nathan's comments: I have never read such mindless vitriolic drivel in all my life. It is apparent to anyone with half a brain that Bishonen would be a brilliant administrator. I am not part of her supposed IRC clique, and have never corresponded with her or any one else on IRC (or whatever it's called) suggestions of a clique are the ramblings of a paranoid. I have no wish (ever) to be an administrator so can say what I like, and this editors comments are a load of balls! Giano | talk21:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Listen; I'm rude and you're immature, lets form a cabal. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The guy is trying to use IRC for making a statement on RfA, and that's not allowed. What no one has done, though, is really tell him what a turd he's being. What drew the sour remarks was that he went to IRC to fart at the GFDL. Since Wikipedia is built on the GFDL and Wikipedians is made up of people who work on Wikipedia, what the hell else kind of response did he expect? Let's all go to the Opera Dei website and shout about atheism and then expect a nice reception! Sheesh. If you go to http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/index.htm , this Nathan is a dead ringer for quite a few of the Evil Clown descriptions. Geogre19:05, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
O Lud! O Lud! I went to his page. He's one of THEM. Sheesh. I suspect he's acting sane and rational in the "They're out to get me, the clique" thread compared to his normal activity. It's all about penises, in the end. :-( Geogre19:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh please, what a surprise! Had none of you actually thought to look at the penile servitude page before! I despair of the lot of you. In the meantime for those of us left holding the fort, here merely writing pages to keep the project going, while on the subject of penises, perhaps some one would like to pass comment here [24]. At least among the many phrases he objects to, my critic has not objected to is "the English lion devouring a French cock". Please feel no pressure to support, I am never one to comment on the penises (is that the plural?) of others, (Bishonen exempted) however tempting on this occasion it may be - you dickheads! Giano | talk20:38, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Aha, penile servitude on my page, fantastic. Compare this kind comment. Fil, why don't you admit it, you're jealous because nobody's accused you of being a highschool student! Hey, Geogre, I hope you noticed I wrote to you on Jrm's page? (Why not, I seem to make a habit of writing anything anywhere.)--Bishonen | talk22:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I say again, "It's all about penises, in the end." That was a dynamite line. Yes, Bishonen, I saw that comment, but, knowing its adjectives to be untrue, I knew not what to make of its nouns. Masterpiece of wit, indeed! I work up a tight clinch, and no one sees it. I balance out the antitheses just so and it's passed over for a potty reference. I'm simply too good for the room. I've got to do something about getting better audiences. Plus, I told a stunning story of juvenile deliquincy to you in e-mail and what response did that get? I tell you, I was born too late. Where are the salons of yesteryear? I am a one-man club because no one else is clubbable. Geogre01:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
You're right, of course, I'm consumed with jealousy. Please won't somebody call me juvinile? Why should I always lose out on all the fun? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:30, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
For being the first administrator candidate ever to reach 100 support votes, I, JRM, hereby award you this commemorative toaster on behalf of the Wikipedia community.
At the time of writing, 100 Wikipedians from all walks of life had expressed the opinion that you are a good choice for an administrator. Congratulations! JRM · Talk 02:41, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
Congratulations
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Of all the users to come to Wikipedia, I can think of no one who deserves 100 pro votes on RfA except you, Bishonen. Congratulations, and welcome (prematurely, maybe) to the administrator ranks. Geogre03:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I knew it! I just knew it! The moment I saw your name on the admin nomination page, I was absolutely stone-cold positive that you'd break 100 votes. You're up to 101...plus one nay vote from what appears to be a troll. Enjoy that toaster, Bish! Use it well!! XOXOXO! - Lucky 6.907:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Lucky, thanks a lot! Yes, everybody needs a nay vote for sure, it would have been spooky without it. Bishonen | talk10:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I am contemplating a suitable gift to comemerate your elevation, Cecilia may be having kids so I may send you some to addorn your page, but then some callous person would probably send you a barbecue, I rather like that slimline colourful toaster, so as you're a woman perhaps a pretty kitchen appliance is whay you would really like! I will give it some thought Congratulations on your 100th Giano | talk10:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I am charmed by the thought, something for the kitchen would be the thing for sure. Something really useful. Hmm, how about a large very sharp pointed butcher's knife? Bishonen | talk10:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Supporters arriving en masse to congratulate our new admin.
Oh dear! What are they all talking about over there [25]? it all seems to be getting very off subject, the subject being you of course. I keep looking in to see if I can make head or tail of it, seems it all about mass hysteria, like when Princess Diana died, and to think you are the cause of it, and you did it in a much easier way than Diana too, clever old you! Anyway its because of the hysteria debate I found you a revolving barnstar, I think its really clever, it does it on its own you know, without any help, its fascinating isn't it, so much more interesting than all this debate on ethics. I found it nosing about on Everyking's talk page, he was given one, so I copied it and pasted it on your user page, neat! I'm still trying to think of a proper present for you, have no fear you will be the first to know when I find it!!!! Thank goodness all the hysteria and squabbling comes to an end tomorrow,I wonder if you have enough votes? Giano | talk18:34, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations on reaching over 100 votes. I'd also like to apologise for contributing to the off-the-subject "hysteria" debate on your RFA. But I still think you deserve being promoted for the work you have done here, and be congratulated for achieving a record-breaking landslide victory. Take care. Zzyzx11(Talk)22:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
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Just a note to tell you that Fil will be away for a while. He has gone to get some legumes removed from his nostrils. --Theo (Talk)08:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
How did you know about my odd vegetarian habits, Theo? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:47, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
What else is there to eat in a bog? Does it seem odd to you that there is only the two of us having a chat on this public bulletin board? Perhaps [User:Giano|Giano] is not up yet.--Theo (Talk)09:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations!
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Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful.
On behalf of the entire Wikipedia community, I, Zzyzx11, present you with this new microwave oven to commemorate your record setting 109/2/3 RFA landslide victory!
Zzyzx11, the handsome microwave which will always remind me of this proud moment got silently deleted by the bad database (slaps database), good job I checked the history! Thank you! --Bishonen | talk15:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I know you'll be a fine admin, though I hope that it will not keep you from contributing prime content in the future. — mark✎14:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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Nasal cavities are now a bean-free zone. I was wondering if you had a free slot in your diary for us to interface so as to discuss the application of your new mega-powers to this article in an ongoing, meaningful, dynamic, proactive and creative manner so as to maximise ROI while maintaing academic standards? I assume that, like Tony Blair, you will now "focus relentlessly on the people's priorities"? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:19, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
BTW, didn't you just love how you became a pretext for some kind of debate(?) on the idea that a person's getting too many votes because they are too well liked is somehow a bad thing? What was that? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:50, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Removal of content?
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You sent me a notice regarding removal of content, accusing me of vandalism. I'm baffled, since the only edits I have performed today removed a sentence that was a direct lift from a space.com article, and then replaced it with new text based on multiple sources that made the same point, and then expanded on it. Could you be more specific about what you are accusing me of, please? -- 80.168.226.1012:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah. I think you probably wanted to direct your comment at User:80.200.243.227, not me: in fact, you reverted their page-blanking back to my edit version. Could you please do so, and remove your comment from my IP's talk page, with a suitable edit comment? It's unpleasant to be wrongly accused of something. -- 80.168.226.1013:06, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I worked out what happened and posted a message before I saw this—hope that will do. "Striking through" a no longer valid message but leaving it visible is the classic wikipedia way of leaving a trace so that later readers can understand what was going on, but of course delete any part of what's on the page if you prefer it!--Bishonen | talk13:19, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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I wish you would archive some of this fan mail, it takes so long to get dpwn here, I'm surprised you get any messages at all. I thought you must know something literary about CW that I didn't. Shakespeare designed Windsor Castle, not many people know that. No I can't think of anybody either, anyway I'm tired of writing long boring pages nobody wants to read, and am going to diversify my subjects into my second favourite recreational hobby building aquariam seascapes features for tropical fish. Giano | talk16:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
IRC
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hm, I had vowed at some point to avoid IRC altogether — and #wikipedia in particular, to maintain some farcical pretense of being in charge of my addiction :) I may join the channel though, if you say it's worth it (in two or three weeks). If you want to tell me something in particular offsite, of course, you can always email me. best regards, dab(ᛏ)20:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Second message from dab was invisibled by mystery server clock FUBAR, I'm pasting it here (taking out weird timestamp):
that's right, I think you ended up in my dustbin twice :( maybe my spamassassin had a yaoi filter built in? Anyway, I think I lowered its threshold since, and I'll look out for your message in the trash ;) dab(ᛏ) 9 May 2005 (UTC)
--
OK, thanks for explaining why you've been deleting my questions/comments to Geogre's discussion. I must admit it was gratifying to discover that I'm not the only one who dislikes the guy :p
If I may ask, do you think I'm overreacting here? I mean, it just boggles my mind that there are people like Geogre who stomp around belittling people's contributions, insulting them, calling them liars, and threatening to ban them. Surely I can't be the only one puzzled. Why does this guy have the power to ban people, anyway?
There is a RfA going down at Swedish Wikipedia right now [26], and your voice in this discussion might be very important. I'm trying to get my fellow countrymen to appreciate the finer points of things like justifying their votes and not voting for admins because they think they can do a good job.
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Don't know if you replied to mine yesterday or not, my email thing's not working, nothing for two days, have to wait for a man to come a reconfigure it again. Blast. Giano | talk13:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Not crazy
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My last action on my talk page was to delete (not rollback or archive) a whine from the IP user. Look at the diffs, though. This dirk managed to post to my user page without showing up in the revision history? Astonishing, unless.... Geogre20:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Geogre: I offered, on your talk page, to leave as soon as you "stop badmouthing me here and elsewhere on this site," since the thought doesn't much appeal to me of having to defend myself against your obnoxiously inaccurate accusations for perpetuity and beyond. Since I wrote that about an hour ago, you've called me an "anonymous coward" (in fact, I'm tied to this IP), and now you're trying to portray my polite request as a "whine," as well as insinuating... that I'm some kind of poltergeist? What exactly is your "astonishing" observation about the history tab?
Bishonen, I'm sorry for cluttering this discussion page; the editing page says it's already "longer than preferable," in case you'd like to know. 66.65.88.24521:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Um, child, what makes you think that I'm referring to you? Did you, by chance, read the article anonymous coward? The reason you don't know what the startling revelation is is that I wasn't talking to you. We're working on a technical issue, so please don't think the world revolves around you. Sheesh. Some children! Geogre03:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Now that's kind of insulting. Seriously, man. Please leave me alone and stop spreading these petty little digs at me around this site. Is that really so bizarre to ask of you?
Again, kid, read the article anonymous coward and you'll know why I called you that and why it's an accurate description. I know you're averse to reading anything on Wikipedia, as you seem not to know what it is we do here, but "this site" is rather large, and behind the scenes are a whole group of folks who are tracking down anomalies and keeping tabs on new articles, categories, abuses, etc. It's not about you, and if you'd bother to read (and I even linked the term in my edit summary to make it easy for you), you'd sleep better at night. Sheesh. Geogre02:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
BTW, Bishonen, the DB weirdness that put some time travelers on pages also obscurred others altogether. In fact, it seems to have happened again with the anonymous coward, and I'm trying to figure that one out. Your first guess might be right, or it could be another DB sputter. Geogre02:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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After a close examination by the linguists Mustafaa (some time ago) and Peter Isotalo, and having even stood close scrutiny by the Guru of Verifiability himself, an eagle-eyed non-specialist such as yourself is all we need to depart for FAC. Would you be willing to lend your skilful hand to Gbe languages? There might be the usual EAL-issues, and maybe you can point me to unnecessary linguistic lingo that should be simplified. If you have the time, that is. Though please don't point out so many errors and omissions that I have to keep it on ice till I regain the courage to work on it <cough>. Kidding, just be honest. . Kind regards, — mark✎22:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Template tagging
As the most popular candidate for admin ever, you must be a fair-minded person. I don't know whether you really want some background on this issue; perhaps you have a chosen mode of discourse. In any case, I would be happy to point you to the main places in which arguments have been made. The matter is not of great importance but it is a stubborn blot on our procedures. I welcome the opportunity to answer your any question. — Xiong熊talk* 01:53, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
Replied on my talk. — Xiong熊talk* 11:22, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Archive your danged page!
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Dear new user, please archive your page, or we will hunt you down.
(Oh, and I just adjusted the language a little on the dab, as I think that's how I've seen it more commonly. You are going to have to unred one of those links now. (tee-hee)) Geogre16:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I will not archive the commemorative toaster until I've eaten all the commemorative toast. Just deal with it. I suppose that's your scary evil überadmin laugh? "Aaaarchive yooour paaaage! Tee hee!"--Bishonen | talk17:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
On behalf of the community, I hereby award you this pufferfish. It is in honour of all newly promoted admins who believe that their awards are "prestigious".
"Stinking"? I think you must mean "prestigious". If you have a problem finding space for your own homage to me on this page, kindly place incoming tributes down the lefthand side of User:Bishonen, pending the creation of more galleries. You may then leave the presence, walking backwards and bowing.--Bishonen | talk21:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Why, thank you, TenOfAllTrades. If you hadn't forgotten to address me as "Your Exaltedness", that would have been perfect. --Bishonen | talk17:28, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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Want a laugh, I've been so stupid, 2 new people on my subjects, I'm not alone I thought and I've been talking to both this afternoon [27] and [28] can you beleiveI've been so daft! I just hope Signora Whatsit gets hold of them, but at least she's harmless. Giano | talk21:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Oliver Chettle is my brother. I went to his defence on the David Icke article. Slim Virgin was having difficulty believing that more than one person could be unreasonable enough to diagree with his point of view (although there are also others who do who are nothing to do with us) so he leapt to the conclusion that since we have made edits on similar subjects, and we have not edited at the same time, (difficult to do on the same computer), we are the same person. Gillian Tipson04:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I would quit while I'm ahead if I were you, Gillian. Gillian Tipson (talk·contribs) and Oliver Chettle (talk·contribs) are almost certainly operated by the same person, based on the editing pattern, style of writing, interests, grammar/spelling mistakes, and a couple of other distinctive behavior patterns that I'm not going to alert you to. I don't care how many accounts you have, so long as you don't use them to violate policy. If you do, I will block the account that was created second. SlimVirgin(talk) 04:34, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Barnstar
That's, what? The third award for that article now? I've missed my true calling, and so have you. Uncyclopedia awaits. JRM · Talk 08:21, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
Emanuel Swedenborg
Latest comment: 19 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion
A while ago, I mistakenly adviced User:Fred chessplayer to bring Emanuel Swedenborg to peer review, when I should have told him to take it to RfC (because of some anonymous religious POV-pusher who kept changing the text). Since then the article has grown and reached a certain degree of stability. Do you think it is time to take it to peer review again, for real this time and with intent to get it to FA-status? I have not personally worked on it, except for some minor details, but I could probably add some stuff on some related articles if needed. I would like to see some featured articles on Swedish topics, and Swedenborg might be a good place to start. Uppland05:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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hello bish -- I know you are more into the tangible or visual arts, but if you have any sense for musical, or shall we say acoustic, refinery, and their contribution to civilization, both Western and Far Eastern, you may be interested in the stub I have just created at braigetori (it's in article space, mind, and I intend to keep it there, true art will not be hushed away to the user namespace like a bad joke :p ) dab(ᛏ)15:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Filiocht has already contributed, unfortunately with a derogatory statement concerning medieval Irish flatulists. He is right, I am afraid, that bards and fili took precendence over the poor braigetori, but I am sure there is a way to present their state in a more flattering light. After all, they were court officials, even if of lowly standing. dab(ᛏ)16:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
As one who is reasonably adept in the art myself, I'd love to be able to praise the braigetori more, but this is a place for dispassionate fact, damn it!. I really came by to advertise Imagism on WP:FAC. Maybe one or both of you would like to vote, one way or the other? Now someone who could blow haiku-like farts I'd pay money to see. Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:32, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Well, the rights of it look obvious to me. I'm a little nonplussed that Nixdorf didn't seem impressed by your analogy with Uppsala University, which IMO didn't leave him a leg to stand on. I've replied directly on his page. --Bishonen | talk19:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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In that case she's out of luck, there's none of that fancy stuff available here. She can pull my summer sleigh, if you insist.--Bishonen | talk22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, feel free to delete the seagull on the userpage, then. It doesn't respond to anything much, anyway.--Bishonen | talk22:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure you are a warm and compassionate human being, who will respond to the needs of an abandoned goat, I will leave your sea-gull to peck away at the few abandoned morsels that come by my page! 213.122.112.15420:45, 19 May 2005 (UTC) (this is my first look at Wikipedia for 24 hours so the cure is working)
The much maligned Tony Sidaway
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Hi Bishonen - just noticed you cleaned this ridiculous comment at RC patrol: Tony Sidaway: [[29]] - User has been deleting all editions without any rhyme or reason and shortened the entire text to incomprehensible definitions.
I just checked a couple of page histories. I discovered that Tony reverted a spurious one-line addition to the article added by User:Harvarder. Surprise, surprise, it was Harvarder who wrote the comment at RC Patrol. Seems standards are slipping in the Ivy League... Grutness...wha?09:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
It was my very first look at the RC patrol page, I sure did a double take. Btw, I see Tony solicits for alternative barnstars on his page—I think I may go drop some lovely handcrafted item on him.--Bishonen | talk09:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Your alternative barnstar as requested
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This trophy is awarded in recognition of all your great work. Normally I would drop it on your userpage, but with all the design on it, I daren't. Please insert it appropriately yourself! (You don't actually have to.)--Bishonen | talk09:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
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My Windows 2000 article has developed into a monster! :-) Seriously though, I need someone's assistance with a good copyedit (even though the article isn't quite done yet). Could you help out with this? I'm sure I have some shocking grammar and stupid spelling mistakes. Feel up to the challenge of helping me out with this? - Ta bu shi da yu12:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Awww... :) I don't think you'll lose that award :P I doubt I'll get to 100 votes! thanx for the warm welcome back though... Ta bu shi da yu05:11, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Bish
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I do appreciate your note on my talk page. I'm kinda feeling down about the whole business, and it's good to see people who are understand :) Ta bu shi da yu03:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
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Dear Madam,
Your page seems a suitably apt place to make known my feelings. I have been forced to break my self imposed exile from Wikipedia to complain in the strongest possible terms about the vandalism (both wicked and wanton) which happened yesterday to Dalek. This has horrified intellectuals around the world, many of whom like myself, in their youthful years and beyond, have spent many fruitful hours with a biscuit tin on their heads and a drain unblocker exterminating local goats. What is most horrific about this particular piece of malicious and unpleasant vandalism is that not since Wikipedia put on its front page that article (whose name escapes me) about about a Japanese computer game involving scantily clad girls has Wikipedia provided such a service to the education of the masses. The front page is Wikipedia's shop window, now it is known globally, and probably other places as well, that a wikipedia editor does not take such pages totally seriously, and has publicly displayed a tasteless senses of humour which many found distressing, indeed so tasteless and distressing that millions around the world are probably seeking counselling as we speak. This vandalism is far worse and more horrific than when the front page was soiled by a picture of an athaletic gentleman enjoying his own company in an anatomically impossible (for me anyway) fashion. My one consolation is that reading the wise words here [30] I now realise there are enough right thinking people in the world to begin my noble campaign for the re-establishment of the inquisition, an organisation which would deal with such heretical editors as "Ta bu whatsit" in the only proper fashion. Until the dawn of that happy day "Ta bu whatsit" must be banned for life, and thereafter allowed only to edit such weighty and boring pages as TPH etc. I could go on, but this whole sorry business has bought about a recurrance of my angina, and furthermore...................
Dear Outage of Palermo, you think that's anatomically impossible, you want to try the auto-asskissing that I was recommended here, I have severely strained several previously undiscovered muscle groups in the attempt. Apart from that, I can only agree with your insighful comments, you do indeed speak for intellectuals on a global scale, especially about the drain unblocker. Check out the Main Page on the 26.--Bishonen | talk08:32, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes I see what you mean about the 26th, can it be stopped, I mean will anyone actually want to read it. I am currently working on a much greater work of literature, that appeals to a greater spectrum of society, I have read it many times, often aloud, and each time find a new nuance of social behaviour, many members of my family have enjoyed this in-depth and perceptive work and I'm surprised that Irishman hasn't written one of his very long pages on the subject. I am of course referring to the canine adventures of Hairy Maclary[31] and his friends. This is so much more suitable for the popular appeal of the encyclopedia and so much more interesting than all those boring old people you write about, if they weren't already dead, I'd say "exterminate" them. Cool kid of Palermo PS: What's he rabitting on about down there?
This is probably as good a time as any for a pre-inquisitional confession. Oh the shame. Hmm.. Grr.. Actually, forget about the confession! I'm going to revert that back to my version! Mwuhahah! Whose gonna stop me?! Will it be you, or you, or... YOU? El_C09:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
We in the League of Decency are highly concerned about what is going to happen to the Main Page on Thursday. It's an outrage! Time for me to go write 10,000 words on something obscure to calm myself down. Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:19, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Neutrality RfC
Latest comment: 19 years ago10 comments3 people in discussion
That's a pretty abrupt swing--from a Fabergé egg to a call for censure in less than two days. Would you like me to take the egg off my user page? I won't pretend to understand why some people called for our censure in this case; an RfC is the recommended step in that stage of dispute resolution, and in this case it was effective where previous good-faith attempts to communicate had been ignored. I'm utterly at a loss as to how else the score of people who thought Neutrality's actions were a little excessive could have communicated with him, since he had steadfastly ignored all polite attempts to make our concerns known. --Tony Sidaway|Talk11:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Check Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. There were (to my knowledge at the time I made my RfC listing) two people including me trying to talk with Neutrality, and he had blanked both of our attempts to communicate and resumed actions that, he was aware, both regarded as unreasonable. The next step to take is at the discretion of the parties involved but the first choice is to get more opinions. "Discuss with third parties". We did that. Two more people who had also attempted to discuss this with Neutrality also certified, with evidence. A further five people have endorsed. Nearly 20 people have said, with varying degrees of emphasis, that Neutrality's actions were not a good way of dealign with perceived low quality of school articles.
Now you suggest that mediation should have been undertaken first. There are some problems with this:
Mediation is normally only of much use for interpersonal problems, not when a group is in dispute with an individual;
Mediation is exceedingly slow and no use for airing problems with ongoing behavior (normally both parties would undertake to cease disputed behavior prior to mediation).
Mediation currently seems to be broken. TDC and I have been waiting for weeks for a mediator despite both having an honest wish to discuss our problems in a mediated environment.
No, clearly seeking third party opinions here was overwhelmingly successful and mediation could never have gotten near. And I'm actually surprised to see you suggest mediation first. In practise it is more common for parties to seek third party opinions. And I think this is the right thing to do. --Tony Sidaway|Talk12:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm not mad at you, I was just uncertain about your opinion of me. Calling for censure seems somewhat extreme, and certainly not commensurate with anything that I have called for for Neutrality. I think a number of people, yourself included, regard the RfC mechanism as something of a last resort. That is not Wikipedia policy. The words "request for comments" mean just that--a chance to get a third party opinion. Saying "you need to be censured for asking for third party opinions" makes no sense, so I think those who are calling for censure are saying something else was going on. The accusations of bad faith, which you endorsed, and the opinion that this was "an outrageous abuse of RfC" and that it was pointless are utterly incomprehensible unless I assume that the purpose of the RfC mechanism is not generally understood. I got nearly twenty people saying Neutrality shouldn't do stuff like that. How else could this have been achieved within a timescale that matched what he was doing? --Tony Sidaway|Talk13:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Tony, from the way you phrase your latest message, I'm beginning to think with dismay that being "censured", as in the sentence "The people responsible for this should be censured", that I signed, must have some sense on Wikipedia that I wasn't aware of—being formally censured by some authority, scapegoated by the community in some way? I'll certainly go back and remove my signature and post an apology if it means something I didn't intend. I meant to say "The people who posted this RfC should be criticized"—you know, in the way that some people on the page were posting criticisms (including me, by signing the statements). Or even more exactly: "See how the people responsible for the RfC are being criticized here." That would be equivalent to what you called for for Neutrality, by posting the RfC: I mean, the very existence and purpose of the RfC was implicitly a Request for Criticism, not a Request for Compliments, right? In your message above, you do call it "overwhelmingly successful" for eliciting criticism of his VFD school listings.
I agree that the perception of an RfC by the community is that the mere fact of bringing it is a strong criticism. I wasn't aware that that isn't policy, but it seems to me to be so much the perception as to be "the culture". I went with the culture, and I'm not sure I wouldn't again. I'm not making an overarching argument that written policy needs to be disregarded, just trying to explain how I personally look at it. I do realize there's lots of room for disagreement. (The only really accepted and uncontroversial (IMO) example of culture trumping official policy that I can think of is the userspace: written policy is that everyone has the right to edit it just as much as other pages, while the culture is that users have a say-so over editing in their space.)
No, I would never have endorsed any of the summaries accusing you and the others of bad faith! In saying I did, I suppose you mean that bad-faith accusations are implied. I hope not, but I agree that the wording is strong and probably unnecessarily angry, and I might have done better to have rolled my own.
I don't hold any particular brief for Neutrality, but I feel quite strongly about the issue at stake, just as you do, and I don't think he did a bad thing by making those listings. Anyway, I hope we don't have to rehash the schools/VFD issue, but can agree to disagree there. (See, I was hoping to avoid that cliché, but there it comes.)
Oh, incidentally, about the offical mediation process being broken: yeah. Perhaps you and TDC might be interested in the page Mediation Cabal?
I feel terrible about having offended you, Tony. I suppose I was naive to think I wouldn't. :-( My opinion of you is very high.--Bishonen | talk20:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bishonen, I caught your discussion in progress from Tony Sidaway's page. I just want to simply add that had Neutrality responded to me in any way other than blanking his user page, I would not have certified the RfC myself. Surely that is the next step when someone not only refuses to communicate, but attempts to rebuff the attempts of others to communicate, isn't it?
He not only gave me no response to a legitimate concern, he removed my attempt to communicate with him, as well as the good faith attempts of others. Considering his other comment to me, " I don't feel like showing the least bit respect for someone who—of his own free will—votes "keep" on dozens of schools"; I thought RfC regarding (not against) Neutrality was the ONLY next step available to me in the dispute resolution process. You can't pick and choose who to respect based on how they vote in VfD, especially considering he's an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators here on Wikipedia.
Now he's blanked all record of the schools issue, from his user page, labeling it as bullshit/spam. This further edit summary is extremely inflammatory and disrespectful of myself, Tony Sidaway, Radiant!, and everyone else who tried to communicate with him in good faith regarding this issue, but is not part of the original RfC. --Unfocused16:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear it, Unfocused, those edit summaries sound very uncivil. Please see my response above to Tony for a few other points. Bishonen | talk20:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your review, and read your responses, yet I'm still deeply disappointed with Wikipedia in general over this.
I tried in good faith to communicate and the only response I got is a blanking and a statement that says he won't respect me because I'm voting opposite of him. I observed that he's done exactly the same thing (blanking his user page without response) to at least three other good faith, polite attempts to communicate. Am I then expected to make another good faith effort, to complain that he didn't respond when I complained the first time? I'm sorry, I never aspired to be Don Quixote! Isn't observing the failure of three other attempts enough, or do you believe I need to personally experience each of those failures myself to make a valid RfC?
Given that he had already said he didn't respect me, that he'd already blanked my comments from his page, and that the first step in the dispute resolution process beyond trying to communicate directly is RfC, how could it be in any way wrong to request comments from a third party? Now I'm criticized for participating in an RfC to try to get him to accept that his is not the only valid opinion that exists? Everyone "in the culture" of Wikipedia knows that keeping the lines of communication open is vital. There's no reason to hold an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators to a lower standard, just because some see an RfC as a somewhat negative thing on a user's record. --Unfocused17:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I very much agree with Unfocused that the RfC was really the only thing to do here. Perhaps there's a culture arising that say we shouldn't try to communicate our concerns to people if they show that they don't give a stuff about them, even if there are a few of us. Well if so that culture is inimical to resolving disputes. If editors just feel free to go on ignoring disputes about their ongoing behavior then there can never be any kind of dispute resolution. I don't expect other editors to act on my concerns, but I do expect them to show good faith and not (as Neutrality did on his talk page) put up a notice that says, I quote: "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me." He also filed another eight VfDs, on top of nearly thirty he'd filed in the morning. When four people make reasonable expressions of their concerns on a user talk page, that is not the kind of response that can be regarded as reasonable. --Tony Sidaway|Talk20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If you go back to the RfC you'll see that my approach to Neutrality on his user talk page could not have been more reasonable. I suggested that listing so many VfDs on that particular day could be seen as excessive, and asked him to keep down to a maximum of ten per day. His behavior was tying up lots of editors in scrambling to vote this way or that, as well as causing a degree of polarization on this issue which I'm sure no editor wants to cause. --Tony Sidaway|Talk20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
David Helvarg
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I thought that there exist a need for either two articles, and was pleasantly surprised to find both. However, the state of the articles is appalling. There're so much to say in either cases, and to examine the trends and common themes in all of them. And since you have done such a good job in Shakespeare's reputation, I can't think of a better person to nominate doing the job. How would you like beefing up the articles? All you need is a few good reference books like Bradley's Shakespearean tragedies and a Cambridge or Oxford guide to Shakespeare. I'm sure you can find lots of help on the way. When it is done, we can link to them in the Shakespeare main article. Mandel 15:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Protection
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Just to let you know... as an administrator, you still can add the protection notice even if the page is still protected. -- AllyUnion(talk)09:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Protection
Uh...? Developed country is the first and only page I have protected, and I unproteted it and removed the tag simultaneously, after 24 hours. Did I miss something? Nothing is more likely, mind you, as the whole protection/unprotection procedure is a little intimidating the first time. Or, hey, did you simply mean that this maneouvre was unnecessary:
>13:56, 23 May 2005 Bishonen unprotected Developed country (just to put the {{protected}} template in there)
Right? I have mysterious editing powers that override the protection?
I meant that "maneouvre" was unnecessary. Your administrative powers overrides that protection, but as an Administrator... it means you shouldn't abuse it. It does give you a warning notice saying that you should not edit the page while the page is protected other than to add the protection notice.
I'm replying on your page, as I usually do, but it unnerves me a little to note that it is protected. So, I can still edit it, but is it a faux pas and abuse of my superpowers to do so?
Anyway, thanks for telling me, that'll come in useful! Bishonen | talk09:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't like Willy on Wheels, and my page was swept with a page move vandalism. I don't like fixing pages of that nature, and certainly when it deals with my own user page... and for that matter my user talk page. Thus, I've protected it from moving only. As an Administrator, you see two types of protection: Page moves and general protection. Page moves removes the "move" feature button from the page, while general protection protects the page from editing and prevents the page from moving. -- AllyUnion(talk)23:44, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Adminship
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File:Sea gull.jpgWell! It looks like roast albatross and seaweed for supper again!
Quality on the Front Page
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It's great to see Wycherly shining forth in fine clothes for all the world to read about. I hope you're braced for the inevitable flood of editing of the article, sometimes good, sometimes not, but mainly insubstantial. Geogre03:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Won't it be gratifying to see a sudden surge of interest in the Restoration period! Well done, a great article. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:23, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
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I am the anon user (actually called Jaie) who created the "gay (homosexual)" page. I dont understand what the problem is. The word "gay" is clearly ambiguous, as it could mean happy or homosexual amonst other things. Therefor it clearly needs two pages, one talking about the emotion, and the other talking about the sexual persuasion. The only way you can do this is by linking the word "gay" to a disambiguation page, with links to pages discussing the two topics above. BTW, I dont know if this is the right way to post on a discussion page, being fairly newish, if its not my apologies.
I don't understand why homosexuals want to be called gay; all the ones I've met are all deep and introspective - far from gay in fact. Just wondered if there's a particular reason they cornered the word. I did meet a lesbian once who was gay but she was also an alcoholic, which I thought explained the happy demeanour, very good company in facto. All answers on a post card please, confine yourselves to 50 words. Giano | talk19:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Good Evening2
I'm not sure I actually said "happy" was the main meaning of the word now, but it is still a valid meaning (in fact Wiktionary lists it as the primary meaning), and therefor there is ambiguity within the word surely? Will copy the above post to the "gay" talk page, anyhow, and see what they make of it....
RFA
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Just think; some people say that lawyers talk in unintelligible jargon, well we now know they are not alone - [32]. Do you want me nominate you, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick? Oh yes I am home (I won a cup for tennis!!!!!!!) I shall photograph it for my user page. Cecilia had better come home tomorrow. Giano | talk20:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I may vote for you, I will think about it for a while, it basically depends on Cecilia, (old Sicilian proverb: "always be guided by the goat"). Poor old BP has so few votes!!! but of course that has nothing to do with my voting. I will leave Cecilia here a little longer so she may form an opinion. Giano | talk21:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
PS: I notice there is no mention of congratulations of my glories on the tennis court.
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Yes it looks set to go the way of Buckingham Palace pity, but not a lot one can do, I should have put in more "what the Butler saw", and "Lady Celandine's heaving bossom, as she met Lord Wayne on the moonlit night in the Summerhouse, as the nightjars called over the still waters.......". Think I shall give up architecture, and write about Japanese gameshows, failing that find another New Zealand architect! Giano | talk06:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Your RfA
You're going to get more support than I do, I just know it. And then I'm going to laugh so hard at the way you opposed it initially... JRM · Talk 07:52, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I have, incidentally, made some edits to my user page. This normally should not concern you, but in this case I must insist you make no attempt to mirror my efforts on your own page. I thought of it first and I claim intellectual ownership of this idea, by an appeal to simple morality. So basically, you're stuck. Thanks. JRM · Talk 23:38, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Mylady, I hold you in the highest esteem possible, and this I say without the irony my comments are usually laced with. Taking your self-admitted rakish past into account, however, I felt precautions were necessary. My apologies for not assuming sufficient good faith taste. JRM · Talk 00:45, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Finally!
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Instead of an Admin, we shall have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love Bishonen and despair!
Your path lies before you. You should not have looked if you would let anything that you see turn you from your task. But I will say this for your hope: remember that the mirror show many things, and not all that you see have yet been. Some of the things it shows come never to pass, unless one forsakes from the path and turns aside to prevent them.
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There I was, feeling all popular and esteemed with 49 votes, and then you come along and get a stinking 65 votes in two days! Well, I might just have to block you and roll back all your contributions! Worldtraveller11:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Jealous, who's jealous! I'm a TV star anyway, and rather famous and important, so in your face with that :) Anyway, I am quite sure at least 57 of your supporters are sockpuppets who you've been building up for months to look like real people. Worldtraveller15:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Baaaaahhhhhh meeeeeehhh and humbug
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Oh! I read your link, this is all far too complicated, I am taking my goat home (she's been neglected here) in order to have an intelligent conversation with somebody. Cecilia and I are forming a clique of two, and are going to write highly POV articles about the world's major buildings together! Giano | talk20:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
My goat and I have just spotted this[33] which seems to be from some extremely unpleasant person, as I have said to you before "Where e do you meet these people?" Following your advice on the subject my lips are still sealed (Well almost) should you wish to post this somewhere more prominent please feel free:-
Regarding Nathan's comments: I have never read such mindless vitriolic drivel in all my life. It is apparent to anyone with half a brain that Bishonen would be a brilliant administrator. I am not part of her supposed IRC clique, and have never corresponded with her or any one else on IRC (or whatever it's called) suggestions of a clique are the ramblings of a paranoid. I have no wish (ever) to be an administrator so can say what I like, and this editors comments are a load of balls! Giano | talk21:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Listen; I'm rude and you're immature, lets form a cabal. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The guy is trying to use IRC for making a statement on RfA, and that's not allowed. What no one has done, though, is really tell him what a turd he's being. What drew the sour remarks was that he went to IRC to fart at the GFDL. Since Wikipedia is built on the GFDL and Wikipedians is made up of people who work on Wikipedia, what the hell else kind of response did he expect? Let's all go to the Opera Dei website and shout about atheism and then expect a nice reception! Sheesh. If you go to http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/index.htm , this Nathan is a dead ringer for quite a few of the Evil Clown descriptions. Geogre19:05, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
O Lud! O Lud! I went to his page. He's one of THEM. Sheesh. I suspect he's acting sane and rational in the "They're out to get me, the clique" thread compared to his normal activity. It's all about penises, in the end. :-( Geogre19:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh please, what a surprise! Had none of you actually thought to look at the penile servitude page before! I despair of the lot of you. In the meantime for those of us left holding the fort, here merely writing pages to keep the project going, while on the subject of penises, perhaps some one would like to pass comment here [34]. At least among the many phrases he objects to, my critic has not objected to is "the English lion devouring a French cock". Please feel no pressure to support, I am never one to comment on the penises (is that the plural?) of others, (Bishonen exempted) however tempting on this occasion it may be - you dickheads! Giano | talk20:38, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Aha, penile servitude on my page, fantastic. Compare this kind comment. Fil, why don't you admit it, you're jealous because nobody's accused you of being a highschool student! Hey, Geogre, I hope you noticed I wrote to you on Jrm's page? (Why not, I seem to make a habit of writing anything anywhere.)--Bishonen | talk22:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I say again, "It's all about penises, in the end." That was a dynamite line. Yes, Bishonen, I saw that comment, but, knowing its adjectives to be untrue, I knew not what to make of its nouns. Masterpiece of wit, indeed! I work up a tight clinch, and no one sees it. I balance out the antitheses just so and it's passed over for a potty reference. I'm simply too good for the room. I've got to do something about getting better audiences. Plus, I told a stunning story of juvenile deliquincy to you in e-mail and what response did that get? I tell you, I was born too late. Where are the salons of yesteryear? I am a one-man club because no one else is clubbable. Geogre01:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
You're right, of course, I'm consumed with jealousy. Please won't somebody call me juvinile? Why should I always lose out on all the fun? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:30, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
For being the first administrator candidate ever to reach 100 support votes, I, JRM, hereby award you this commemorative toaster on behalf of the Wikipedia community.
At the time of writing, 100 Wikipedians from all walks of life had expressed the opinion that you are a good choice for an administrator. Congratulations! JRM · Talk 02:41, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
Congratulations
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Of all the users to come to Wikipedia, I can think of no one who deserves 100 pro votes on RfA except you, Bishonen. Congratulations, and welcome (prematurely, maybe) to the administrator ranks. Geogre03:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I knew it! I just knew it! The moment I saw your name on the admin nomination page, I was absolutely stone-cold positive that you'd break 100 votes. You're up to 101...plus one nay vote from what appears to be a troll. Enjoy that toaster, Bish! Use it well!! XOXOXO! - Lucky 6.907:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Lucky, thanks a lot! Yes, everybody needs a nay vote for sure, it would have been spooky without it. Bishonen | talk10:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I am contemplating a suitable gift to comemerate your elevation, Cecilia may be having kids so I may send you some to addorn your page, but then some callous person would probably send you a barbecue, I rather like that slimline colourful toaster, so as you're a woman perhaps a pretty kitchen appliance is whay you would really like! I will give it some thought Congratulations on your 100th Giano | talk10:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I am charmed by the thought, something for the kitchen would be the thing for sure. Something really useful. Hmm, how about a large very sharp pointed butcher's knife? Bishonen | talk10:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Supporters arriving en masse to congratulate our new admin.
Oh dear! What are they all talking about over there [35]? it all seems to be getting very off subject, the subject being you of course. I keep looking in to see if I can make head or tail of it, seems it all about mass hysteria, like when Princess Diana died, and to think you are the cause of it, and you did it in a much easier way than Diana too, clever old you! Anyway its because of the hysteria debate I found you a revolving barnstar, I think its really clever, it does it on its own you know, without any help, its fascinating isn't it, so much more interesting than all this debate on ethics. I found it nosing about on Everyking's talk page, he was given one, so I copied it and pasted it on your user page, neat! I'm still trying to think of a proper present for you, have no fear you will be the first to know when I find it!!!! Thank goodness all the hysteria and squabbling comes to an end tomorrow,I wonder if you have enough votes? Giano | talk18:34, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations on reaching over 100 votes. I'd also like to apologise for contributing to the off-the-subject "hysteria" debate on your RFA. But I still think you deserve being promoted for the work you have done here, and be congratulated for achieving a record-breaking landslide victory. Take care. Zzyzx11(Talk)22:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
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Just a note to tell you that Fil will be away for a while. He has gone to get some legumes removed from his nostrils. --Theo (Talk)08:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
How did you know about my odd vegetarian habits, Theo? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:47, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
What else is there to eat in a bog? Does it seem odd to you that there is only the two of us having a chat on this public bulletin board? Perhaps [User:Giano|Giano] is not up yet.--Theo (Talk)09:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations!
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Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful.
On behalf of the entire Wikipedia community, I, Zzyzx11, present you with this new microwave oven to commemorate your record setting 109/2/3 RFA landslide victory!
Zzyzx11, the handsome microwave which will always remind me of this proud moment got silently deleted by the bad database (slaps database), good job I checked the history! Thank you! --Bishonen | talk15:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I know you'll be a fine admin, though I hope that it will not keep you from contributing prime content in the future. — mark✎14:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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Nasal cavities are now a bean-free zone. I was wondering if you had a free slot in your diary for us to interface so as to discuss the application of your new mega-powers to this article in an ongoing, meaningful, dynamic, proactive and creative manner so as to maximise ROI while maintaing academic standards? I assume that, like Tony Blair, you will now "focus relentlessly on the people's priorities"? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:19, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
BTW, didn't you just love how you became a pretext for some kind of debate(?) on the idea that a person's getting too many votes because they are too well liked is somehow a bad thing? What was that? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:50, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Removal of content?
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You sent me a notice regarding removal of content, accusing me of vandalism. I'm baffled, since the only edits I have performed today removed a sentence that was a direct lift from a space.com article, and then replaced it with new text based on multiple sources that made the same point, and then expanded on it. Could you be more specific about what you are accusing me of, please? -- 80.168.226.1012:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah. I think you probably wanted to direct your comment at User:80.200.243.227, not me: in fact, you reverted their page-blanking back to my edit version. Could you please do so, and remove your comment from my IP's talk page, with a suitable edit comment? It's unpleasant to be wrongly accused of something. -- 80.168.226.1013:06, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I worked out what happened and posted a message before I saw this—hope that will do. "Striking through" a no longer valid message but leaving it visible is the classic wikipedia way of leaving a trace so that later readers can understand what was going on, but of course delete any part of what's on the page if you prefer it!--Bishonen | talk13:19, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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I wish you would archive some of this fan mail, it takes so long to get dpwn here, I'm surprised you get any messages at all. I thought you must know something literary about CW that I didn't. Shakespeare designed Windsor Castle, not many people know that. No I can't think of anybody either, anyway I'm tired of writing long boring pages nobody wants to read, and am going to diversify my subjects into my second favourite recreational hobby building aquariam seascapes features for tropical fish. Giano | talk16:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
IRC
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hm, I had vowed at some point to avoid IRC altogether — and #wikipedia in particular, to maintain some farcical pretense of being in charge of my addiction :) I may join the channel though, if you say it's worth it (in two or three weeks). If you want to tell me something in particular offsite, of course, you can always email me. best regards, dab(ᛏ)20:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Second message from dab was invisibled by mystery server clock FUBAR, I'm pasting it here (taking out weird timestamp):
that's right, I think you ended up in my dustbin twice :( maybe my spamassassin had a yaoi filter built in? Anyway, I think I lowered its threshold since, and I'll look out for your message in the trash ;) dab(ᛏ) 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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OK, thanks for explaining why you've been deleting my questions/comments to Geogre's discussion. I must admit it was gratifying to discover that I'm not the only one who dislikes the guy :p
If I may ask, do you think I'm overreacting here? I mean, it just boggles my mind that there are people like Geogre who stomp around belittling people's contributions, insulting them, calling them liars, and threatening to ban them. Surely I can't be the only one puzzled. Why does this guy have the power to ban people, anyway?
There is a RfA going down at Swedish Wikipedia right now [36], and your voice in this discussion might be very important. I'm trying to get my fellow countrymen to appreciate the finer points of things like justifying their votes and not voting for admins because they think they can do a good job.
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Don't know if you replied to mine yesterday or not, my email thing's not working, nothing for two days, have to wait for a man to come a reconfigure it again. Blast. Giano | talk13:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Not crazy
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My last action on my talk page was to delete (not rollback or archive) a whine from the IP user. Look at the diffs, though. This dirk managed to post to my user page without showing up in the revision history? Astonishing, unless.... Geogre20:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Geogre: I offered, on your talk page, to leave as soon as you "stop badmouthing me here and elsewhere on this site," since the thought doesn't much appeal to me of having to defend myself against your obnoxiously inaccurate accusations for perpetuity and beyond. Since I wrote that about an hour ago, you've called me an "anonymous coward" (in fact, I'm tied to this IP), and now you're trying to portray my polite request as a "whine," as well as insinuating... that I'm some kind of poltergeist? What exactly is your "astonishing" observation about the history tab?
Bishonen, I'm sorry for cluttering this discussion page; the editing page says it's already "longer than preferable," in case you'd like to know. 66.65.88.24521:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Um, child, what makes you think that I'm referring to you? Did you, by chance, read the article anonymous coward? The reason you don't know what the startling revelation is is that I wasn't talking to you. We're working on a technical issue, so please don't think the world revolves around you. Sheesh. Some children! Geogre03:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Now that's kind of insulting. Seriously, man. Please leave me alone and stop spreading these petty little digs at me around this site. Is that really so bizarre to ask of you?
Again, kid, read the article anonymous coward and you'll know why I called you that and why it's an accurate description. I know you're averse to reading anything on Wikipedia, as you seem not to know what it is we do here, but "this site" is rather large, and behind the scenes are a whole group of folks who are tracking down anomalies and keeping tabs on new articles, categories, abuses, etc. It's not about you, and if you'd bother to read (and I even linked the term in my edit summary to make it easy for you), you'd sleep better at night. Sheesh. Geogre02:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
BTW, Bishonen, the DB weirdness that put some time travelers on pages also obscurred others altogether. In fact, it seems to have happened again with the anonymous coward, and I'm trying to figure that one out. Your first guess might be right, or it could be another DB sputter. Geogre02:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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After a close examination by the linguists Mustafaa (some time ago) and Peter Isotalo, and having even stood close scrutiny by the Guru of Verifiability himself, an eagle-eyed non-specialist such as yourself is all we need to depart for FAC. Would you be willing to lend your skilful hand to Gbe languages? There might be the usual EAL-issues, and maybe you can point me to unnecessary linguistic lingo that should be simplified. If you have the time, that is. Though please don't point out so many errors and omissions that I have to keep it on ice till I regain the courage to work on it <cough>. Kidding, just be honest. . Kind regards, — mark✎22:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Template tagging
As the most popular candidate for admin ever, you must be a fair-minded person. I don't know whether you really want some background on this issue; perhaps you have a chosen mode of discourse. In any case, I would be happy to point you to the main places in which arguments have been made. The matter is not of great importance but it is a stubborn blot on our procedures. I welcome the opportunity to answer your any question. — Xiong熊talk* 01:53, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
Replied on my talk. — Xiong熊talk* 11:22, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Archive your danged page!
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Dear new user, please archive your page, or we will hunt you down.
(Oh, and I just adjusted the language a little on the dab, as I think that's how I've seen it more commonly. You are going to have to unred one of those links now. (tee-hee)) Geogre16:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I will not archive the commemorative toaster until I've eaten all the commemorative toast. Just deal with it. I suppose that's your scary evil überadmin laugh? "Aaaarchive yooour paaaage! Tee hee!"--Bishonen | talk17:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
On behalf of the community, I hereby award you this pufferfish. It is in honour of all newly promoted admins who believe that their awards are "prestigious".
"Stinking"? I think you must mean "prestigious". If you have a problem finding space for your own homage to me on this page, kindly place incoming tributes down the lefthand side of User:Bishonen, pending the creation of more galleries. You may then leave the presence, walking backwards and bowing.--Bishonen | talk21:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Why, thank you, TenOfAllTrades. If you hadn't forgotten to address me as "Your Exaltedness", that would have been perfect. --Bishonen | talk17:28, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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Want a laugh, I've been so stupid, 2 new people on my subjects, I'm not alone I thought and I've been talking to both this afternoon [37] and [38] can you beleiveI've been so daft! I just hope Signora Whatsit gets hold of them, but at least she's harmless. Giano | talk21:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Oliver Chettle is my brother. I went to his defence on the David Icke article. Slim Virgin was having difficulty believing that more than one person could be unreasonable enough to diagree with his point of view (although there are also others who do who are nothing to do with us) so he leapt to the conclusion that since we have made edits on similar subjects, and we have not edited at the same time, (difficult to do on the same computer), we are the same person. Gillian Tipson04:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I would quit while I'm ahead if I were you, Gillian. Gillian Tipson (talk·contribs) and Oliver Chettle (talk·contribs) are almost certainly operated by the same person, based on the editing pattern, style of writing, interests, grammar/spelling mistakes, and a couple of other distinctive behavior patterns that I'm not going to alert you to. I don't care how many accounts you have, so long as you don't use them to violate policy. If you do, I will block the account that was created second. SlimVirgin(talk) 04:34, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Barnstar
That's, what? The third award for that article now? I've missed my true calling, and so have you. Uncyclopedia awaits. JRM · Talk 08:21, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
Emanuel Swedenborg
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A while ago, I mistakenly adviced User:Fred chessplayer to bring Emanuel Swedenborg to peer review, when I should have told him to take it to RfC (because of some anonymous religious POV-pusher who kept changing the text). Since then the article has grown and reached a certain degree of stability. Do you think it is time to take it to peer review again, for real this time and with intent to get it to FA-status? I have not personally worked on it, except for some minor details, but I could probably add some stuff on some related articles if needed. I would like to see some featured articles on Swedish topics, and Swedenborg might be a good place to start. Uppland05:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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hello bish -- I know you are more into the tangible or visual arts, but if you have any sense for musical, or shall we say acoustic, refinery, and their contribution to civilization, both Western and Far Eastern, you may be interested in the stub I have just created at braigetori (it's in article space, mind, and I intend to keep it there, true art will not be hushed away to the user namespace like a bad joke :p ) dab(ᛏ)15:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Filiocht has already contributed, unfortunately with a derogatory statement concerning medieval Irish flatulists. He is right, I am afraid, that bards and fili took precendence over the poor braigetori, but I am sure there is a way to present their state in a more flattering light. After all, they were court officials, even if of lowly standing. dab(ᛏ)16:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
As one who is reasonably adept in the art myself, I'd love to be able to praise the braigetori more, but this is a place for dispassionate fact, damn it!. I really came by to advertise Imagism on WP:FAC. Maybe one or both of you would like to vote, one way or the other? Now someone who could blow haiku-like farts I'd pay money to see. Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:32, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Well, the rights of it look obvious to me. I'm a little nonplussed that Nixdorf didn't seem impressed by your analogy with Uppsala University, which IMO didn't leave him a leg to stand on. I've replied directly on his page. --Bishonen | talk19:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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In that case she's out of luck, there's none of that fancy stuff available here. She can pull my summer sleigh, if you insist.--Bishonen | talk22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, feel free to delete the seagull on the userpage, then. It doesn't respond to anything much, anyway.--Bishonen | talk22:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure you are a warm and compassionate human being, who will respond to the needs of an abandoned goat, I will leave your sea-gull to peck away at the few abandoned morsels that come by my page! 213.122.112.15420:45, 19 May 2005 (UTC) (this is my first look at Wikipedia for 24 hours so the cure is working)
The much maligned Tony Sidaway
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Hi Bishonen - just noticed you cleaned this ridiculous comment at RC patrol: Tony Sidaway: [[39]] - User has been deleting all editions without any rhyme or reason and shortened the entire text to incomprehensible definitions.
I just checked a couple of page histories. I discovered that Tony reverted a spurious one-line addition to the article added by User:Harvarder. Surprise, surprise, it was Harvarder who wrote the comment at RC Patrol. Seems standards are slipping in the Ivy League... Grutness...wha?09:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
It was my very first look at the RC patrol page, I sure did a double take. Btw, I see Tony solicits for alternative barnstars on his page—I think I may go drop some lovely handcrafted item on him.--Bishonen | talk09:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Your alternative barnstar as requested
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This trophy is awarded in recognition of all your great work. Normally I would drop it on your userpage, but with all the design on it, I daren't. Please insert it appropriately yourself! (You don't actually have to.)--Bishonen | talk09:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
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My Windows 2000 article has developed into a monster! :-) Seriously though, I need someone's assistance with a good copyedit (even though the article isn't quite done yet). Could you help out with this? I'm sure I have some shocking grammar and stupid spelling mistakes. Feel up to the challenge of helping me out with this? - Ta bu shi da yu12:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Awww... :) I don't think you'll lose that award :P I doubt I'll get to 100 votes! thanx for the warm welcome back though... Ta bu shi da yu05:11, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Bish
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I do appreciate your note on my talk page. I'm kinda feeling down about the whole business, and it's good to see people who are understand :) Ta bu shi da yu03:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
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Dear Madam,
Your page seems a suitably apt place to make known my feelings. I have been forced to break my self imposed exile from Wikipedia to complain in the strongest possible terms about the vandalism (both wicked and wanton) which happened yesterday to Dalek. This has horrified intellectuals around the world, many of whom like myself, in their youthful years and beyond, have spent many fruitful hours with a biscuit tin on their heads and a drain unblocker exterminating local goats. What is most horrific about this particular piece of malicious and unpleasant vandalism is that not since Wikipedia put on its front page that article (whose name escapes me) about about a Japanese computer game involving scantily clad girls has Wikipedia provided such a service to the education of the masses. The front page is Wikipedia's shop window, now it is known globally, and probably other places as well, that a wikipedia editor does not take such pages totally seriously, and has publicly displayed a tasteless senses of humour which many found distressing, indeed so tasteless and distressing that millions around the world are probably seeking counselling as we speak. This vandalism is far worse and more horrific than when the front page was soiled by a picture of an athaletic gentleman enjoying his own company in an anatomically impossible (for me anyway) fashion. My one consolation is that reading the wise words here [40] I now realise there are enough right thinking people in the world to begin my noble campaign for the re-establishment of the inquisition, an organisation which would deal with such heretical editors as "Ta bu whatsit" in the only proper fashion. Until the dawn of that happy day "Ta bu whatsit" must be banned for life, and thereafter allowed only to edit such weighty and boring pages as TPH etc. I could go on, but this whole sorry business has bought about a recurrance of my angina, and furthermore...................
Dear Outage of Palermo, you think that's anatomically impossible, you want to try the auto-asskissing that I was recommended here, I have severely strained several previously undiscovered muscle groups in the attempt. Apart from that, I can only agree with your insighful comments, you do indeed speak for intellectuals on a global scale, especially about the drain unblocker. Check out the Main Page on the 26.--Bishonen | talk08:32, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes I see what you mean about the 26th, can it be stopped, I mean will anyone actually want to read it. I am currently working on a much greater work of literature, that appeals to a greater spectrum of society, I have read it many times, often aloud, and each time find a new nuance of social behaviour, many members of my family have enjoyed this in-depth and perceptive work and I'm surprised that Irishman hasn't written one of his very long pages on the subject. I am of course referring to the canine adventures of Hairy Maclary[41] and his friends. This is so much more suitable for the popular appeal of the encyclopedia and so much more interesting than all those boring old people you write about, if they weren't already dead, I'd say "exterminate" them. Cool kid of Palermo PS: What's he rabitting on about down there?
This is probably as good a time as any for a pre-inquisitional confession. Oh the shame. Hmm.. Grr.. Actually, forget about the confession! I'm going to revert that back to my version! Mwuhahah! Whose gonna stop me?! Will it be you, or you, or... YOU? El_C09:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
We in the League of Decency are highly concerned about what is going to happen to the Main Page on Thursday. It's an outrage! Time for me to go write 10,000 words on something obscure to calm myself down. Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:19, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Neutrality RfC
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That's a pretty abrupt swing--from a Fabergé egg to a call for censure in less than two days. Would you like me to take the egg off my user page? I won't pretend to understand why some people called for our censure in this case; an RfC is the recommended step in that stage of dispute resolution, and in this case it was effective where previous good-faith attempts to communicate had been ignored. I'm utterly at a loss as to how else the score of people who thought Neutrality's actions were a little excessive could have communicated with him, since he had steadfastly ignored all polite attempts to make our concerns known. --Tony Sidaway|Talk11:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Check Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. There were (to my knowledge at the time I made my RfC listing) two people including me trying to talk with Neutrality, and he had blanked both of our attempts to communicate and resumed actions that, he was aware, both regarded as unreasonable. The next step to take is at the discretion of the parties involved but the first choice is to get more opinions. "Discuss with third parties". We did that. Two more people who had also attempted to discuss this with Neutrality also certified, with evidence. A further five people have endorsed. Nearly 20 people have said, with varying degrees of emphasis, that Neutrality's actions were not a good way of dealign with perceived low quality of school articles.
Now you suggest that mediation should have been undertaken first. There are some problems with this:
Mediation is normally only of much use for interpersonal problems, not when a group is in dispute with an individual;
Mediation is exceedingly slow and no use for airing problems with ongoing behavior (normally both parties would undertake to cease disputed behavior prior to mediation).
Mediation currently seems to be broken. TDC and I have been waiting for weeks for a mediator despite both having an honest wish to discuss our problems in a mediated environment.
No, clearly seeking third party opinions here was overwhelmingly successful and mediation could never have gotten near. And I'm actually surprised to see you suggest mediation first. In practise it is more common for parties to seek third party opinions. And I think this is the right thing to do. --Tony Sidaway|Talk12:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm not mad at you, I was just uncertain about your opinion of me. Calling for censure seems somewhat extreme, and certainly not commensurate with anything that I have called for for Neutrality. I think a number of people, yourself included, regard the RfC mechanism as something of a last resort. That is not Wikipedia policy. The words "request for comments" mean just that--a chance to get a third party opinion. Saying "you need to be censured for asking for third party opinions" makes no sense, so I think those who are calling for censure are saying something else was going on. The accusations of bad faith, which you endorsed, and the opinion that this was "an outrageous abuse of RfC" and that it was pointless are utterly incomprehensible unless I assume that the purpose of the RfC mechanism is not generally understood. I got nearly twenty people saying Neutrality shouldn't do stuff like that. How else could this have been achieved within a timescale that matched what he was doing? --Tony Sidaway|Talk13:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Tony, from the way you phrase your latest message, I'm beginning to think with dismay that being "censured", as in the sentence "The people responsible for this should be censured", that I signed, must have some sense on Wikipedia that I wasn't aware of—being formally censured by some authority, scapegoated by the community in some way? I'll certainly go back and remove my signature and post an apology if it means something I didn't intend. I meant to say "The people who posted this RfC should be criticized"—you know, in the way that some people on the page were posting criticisms (including me, by signing the statements). Or even more exactly: "See how the people responsible for the RfC are being criticized here." That would be equivalent to what you called for for Neutrality, by posting the RfC: I mean, the very existence and purpose of the RfC was implicitly a Request for Criticism, not a Request for Compliments, right? In your message above, you do call it "overwhelmingly successful" for eliciting criticism of his VFD school listings.
I agree that the perception of an RfC by the community is that the mere fact of bringing it is a strong criticism. I wasn't aware that that isn't policy, but it seems to me to be so much the perception as to be "the culture". I went with the culture, and I'm not sure I wouldn't again. I'm not making an overarching argument that written policy needs to be disregarded, just trying to explain how I personally look at it. I do realize there's lots of room for disagreement. (The only really accepted and uncontroversial (IMO) example of culture trumping official policy that I can think of is the userspace: written policy is that everyone has the right to edit it just as much as other pages, while the culture is that users have a say-so over editing in their space.)
No, I would never have endorsed any of the summaries accusing you and the others of bad faith! In saying I did, I suppose you mean that bad-faith accusations are implied. I hope not, but I agree that the wording is strong and probably unnecessarily angry, and I might have done better to have rolled my own.
I don't hold any particular brief for Neutrality, but I feel quite strongly about the issue at stake, just as you do, and I don't think he did a bad thing by making those listings. Anyway, I hope we don't have to rehash the schools/VFD issue, but can agree to disagree there. (See, I was hoping to avoid that cliché, but there it comes.)
Oh, incidentally, about the offical mediation process being broken: yeah. Perhaps you and TDC might be interested in the page Mediation Cabal?
I feel terrible about having offended you, Tony. I suppose I was naive to think I wouldn't. :-( My opinion of you is very high.--Bishonen | talk20:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bishonen, I caught your discussion in progress from Tony Sidaway's page. I just want to simply add that had Neutrality responded to me in any way other than blanking his user page, I would not have certified the RfC myself. Surely that is the next step when someone not only refuses to communicate, but attempts to rebuff the attempts of others to communicate, isn't it?
He not only gave me no response to a legitimate concern, he removed my attempt to communicate with him, as well as the good faith attempts of others. Considering his other comment to me, " I don't feel like showing the least bit respect for someone who—of his own free will—votes "keep" on dozens of schools"; I thought RfC regarding (not against) Neutrality was the ONLY next step available to me in the dispute resolution process. You can't pick and choose who to respect based on how they vote in VfD, especially considering he's an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators here on Wikipedia.
Now he's blanked all record of the schools issue, from his user page, labeling it as bullshit/spam. This further edit summary is extremely inflammatory and disrespectful of myself, Tony Sidaway, Radiant!, and everyone else who tried to communicate with him in good faith regarding this issue, but is not part of the original RfC. --Unfocused16:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear it, Unfocused, those edit summaries sound very uncivil. Please see my response above to Tony for a few other points. Bishonen | talk20:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your review, and read your responses, yet I'm still deeply disappointed with Wikipedia in general over this.
I tried in good faith to communicate and the only response I got is a blanking and a statement that says he won't respect me because I'm voting opposite of him. I observed that he's done exactly the same thing (blanking his user page without response) to at least three other good faith, polite attempts to communicate. Am I then expected to make another good faith effort, to complain that he didn't respond when I complained the first time? I'm sorry, I never aspired to be Don Quixote! Isn't observing the failure of three other attempts enough, or do you believe I need to personally experience each of those failures myself to make a valid RfC?
Given that he had already said he didn't respect me, that he'd already blanked my comments from his page, and that the first step in the dispute resolution process beyond trying to communicate directly is RfC, how could it be in any way wrong to request comments from a third party? Now I'm criticized for participating in an RfC to try to get him to accept that his is not the only valid opinion that exists? Everyone "in the culture" of Wikipedia knows that keeping the lines of communication open is vital. There's no reason to hold an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators to a lower standard, just because some see an RfC as a somewhat negative thing on a user's record. --Unfocused17:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I very much agree with Unfocused that the RfC was really the only thing to do here. Perhaps there's a culture arising that say we shouldn't try to communicate our concerns to people if they show that they don't give a stuff about them, even if there are a few of us. Well if so that culture is inimical to resolving disputes. If editors just feel free to go on ignoring disputes about their ongoing behavior then there can never be any kind of dispute resolution. I don't expect other editors to act on my concerns, but I do expect them to show good faith and not (as Neutrality did on his talk page) put up a notice that says, I quote: "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me." He also filed another eight VfDs, on top of nearly thirty he'd filed in the morning. When four people make reasonable expressions of their concerns on a user talk page, that is not the kind of response that can be regarded as reasonable. --Tony Sidaway|Talk20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If you go back to the RfC you'll see that my approach to Neutrality on his user talk page could not have been more reasonable. I suggested that listing so many VfDs on that particular day could be seen as excessive, and asked him to keep down to a maximum of ten per day. His behavior was tying up lots of editors in scrambling to vote this way or that, as well as causing a degree of polarization on this issue which I'm sure no editor wants to cause. --Tony Sidaway|Talk20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
David Helvarg
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I thought that there exist a need for either two articles, and was pleasantly surprised to find both. However, the state of the articles is appalling. There're so much to say in either cases, and to examine the trends and common themes in all of them. And since you have done such a good job in Shakespeare's reputation, I can't think of a better person to nominate doing the job. How would you like beefing up the articles? All you need is a few good reference books like Bradley's Shakespearean tragedies and a Cambridge or Oxford guide to Shakespeare. I'm sure you can find lots of help on the way. When it is done, we can link to them in the Shakespeare main article. Mandel 15:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Protection
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Just to let you know... as an administrator, you still can add the protection notice even if the page is still protected. -- AllyUnion(talk)09:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Protection
Uh...? Developed country is the first and only page I have protected, and I unproteted it and removed the tag simultaneously, after 24 hours. Did I miss something? Nothing is more likely, mind you, as the whole protection/unprotection procedure is a little intimidating the first time. Or, hey, did you simply mean that this maneouvre was unnecessary:
>13:56, 23 May 2005 Bishonen unprotected Developed country (just to put the {{protected}} template in there)
Right? I have mysterious editing powers that override the protection?
I meant that "maneouvre" was unnecessary. Your administrative powers overrides that protection, but as an Administrator... it means you shouldn't abuse it. It does give you a warning notice saying that you should not edit the page while the page is protected other than to add the protection notice.
I'm replying on your page, as I usually do, but it unnerves me a little to note that it is protected. So, I can still edit it, but is it a faux pas and abuse of my superpowers to do so?
Anyway, thanks for telling me, that'll come in useful! Bishonen | talk09:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't like Willy on Wheels, and my page was swept with a page move vandalism. I don't like fixing pages of that nature, and certainly when it deals with my own user page... and for that matter my user talk page. Thus, I've protected it from moving only. As an Administrator, you see two types of protection: Page moves and general protection. Page moves removes the "move" feature button from the page, while general protection protects the page from editing and prevents the page from moving. -- AllyUnion(talk)23:44, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Adminship
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File:Sea gull.jpgWell! It looks like roast albatross and seaweed for supper again!
Quality on the Front Page
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It's great to see Wycherly shining forth in fine clothes for all the world to read about. I hope you're braced for the inevitable flood of editing of the article, sometimes good, sometimes not, but mainly insubstantial. Geogre03:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Won't it be gratifying to see a sudden surge of interest in the Restoration period! Well done, a great article. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:23, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
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I am the anon user (actually called Jaie) who created the "gay (homosexual)" page. I dont understand what the problem is. The word "gay" is clearly ambiguous, as it could mean happy or homosexual amonst other things. Therefor it clearly needs two pages, one talking about the emotion, and the other talking about the sexual persuasion. The only way you can do this is by linking the word "gay" to a disambiguation page, with links to pages discussing the two topics above. BTW, I dont know if this is the right way to post on a discussion page, being fairly newish, if its not my apologies.
I don't understand why homosexuals want to be called gay; all the ones I've met are all deep and introspective - far from gay in fact. Just wondered if there's a particular reason they cornered the word. I did meet a lesbian once who was gay but she was also an alcoholic, which I thought explained the happy demeanour, very good company in facto. All answers on a post card please, confine yourselves to 50 words. Giano | talk19:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Good Evening2
I'm not sure I actually said "happy" was the main meaning of the word now, but it is still a valid meaning (in fact Wiktionary lists it as the primary meaning), and therefor there is ambiguity within the word surely? Will copy the above post to the "gay" talk page, anyhow, and see what they make of it....
RFA
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Ursula. Please love her and care for herYou don't fool me with your hard hearted approach, here's a pet of you very own, she's called Ursula after one of my favourite saints. Look on her as a reward for the many interesting edits which your amazing page attracted today. Giano | talk21:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Dear Outed of Palermo, I hope you saw this one, it's a delight. What am I saying, I "hope you saw"? That's no doubt one of your own multitudinous IP's, with a cake tin on its head.Bishonen | talk21:17, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I am both shocked and horrified that you could even suspect me of so foul a crime, all forms of vandalism are repugnant to me, even this one [42] failed to give me even glimmer of mirth. However I see the vandals this evening have reverted to witty type! Giano | talk21:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
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The feet sticking out from under the house won't be wearing long striped socks (the Bishonen Witch of the East) but, instead, will have curly toed shoes (Munchkin Geogre). I set the Restoration to exclude Bill and Mary, as I took a very narrow and very literal, political view of the period. I did that on purpose, of course, but, now that I think of it, it kind of excludes a lot of stuff. The literary epoch goes to 1700, but I figured that moving over to the political epoch would save gray hairs. See what I mean by being so in love with my voice that I'll committ the grand sweeps of an arm and leave the details for some later day? Geogre10:47, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Arbitration Committee case opening
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It is my pleasure to present you with The Tillie Blobbs Theatre Award for your excellence in articles relating to Restoration Theatre. This is presented on behalf of the newly created WikiProject Theatre which, at the moment, only consists of myself, but feel free to join! We'd love to be graced by your presence. Ganymead18:24, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh deep Joy!
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At last one can leave a message here without having to wait half an hour for the page to download. Giano | talk22:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Re: Our Gang
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One question, though. I noticed you commented this out:
and many of the kids who watched the shorts never realized that many of them had been made almost a quarter century beforehand...
...is there a way we can attribute this, as there are scor4es of people who think The Little Rascals were made in the 1950s for television, my mother being one of them....and wait, why delete Petie from the main cast list?--FuriousFreddy21:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh deep Joy!
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At last one can leave a message here without having to wait half an hour for the page to download. Giano | talk22:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, no worries, I wrote on the page that people are more than welcome to remove themselves, as I don't want anyone who doesn't want to be on there getting annoyed. I will also suggest that people ask before adding someone as well. It may not be there for long if quite a few people don't like it, as the point was to create some positive vibes, not more negativity. Best, --SilversmithHewwo21:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Hobgoblins of scholarly minds
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I figure that we don't need to be so precise. Let's put it this way, I can define the Restoration as the last of the Stuarts in a direct line (my way of tap dancing around Mary Stuart and Anne Stuart, who are both peripheral but Stuarts), but that doesn't mean that a discussion should follow such rigors. "Restoration literature" ends at different times for different genres. Arguably, it ended in prose in 1688, when the tumult of Whig and Tory meant lots of new satire and economic writing and the beginnings of periodical journalism. Arguably, it ended in theater in 1700. In poetry, it may not have ended until, if you think about it, 1735 (or, if not, then in 1667). It kind of depends on when the next big thing happened. We call it all "Restoration" because it's more homogenous than the other things, not because it obeyed a timeline, and so I think even my overview ought to express this hesitance with definition and voice a willingness to violate chronology. Geogre13:48, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Mhm. Is it the drama section that's too pedantic, or my post on your page? The section really is just a start. I figured I should discuss the more-or-less standard taxonomy before going on to use it. (And I wanted to say "the bloodbath.") Bishonen | talk15:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
There's no such thing as too pedantic. My problem is that I can't reference things properly, working as I must from the squishy stuff in my memory and whatever bits of foil I can collect for my nest. (I still have no Internet access at home; I'm doing this from work, to my shame.) You can see now, though, how I thought of proceeding. I have covered, to some small degree, prose and religious writing. These sections are hasty as heck and rife with the sorts of generalizations that overviews have to traffic in. I also added a warning about dating at the head, but that's because I think it's a warning that needs to be offered. After all, I have to go past 1689 to have journalism at all, and yet it's something so almost-formed 1660-1685 that I think it's irresponsible not to discuss it. The big gulp will be poetry. My fingers are too tired for that right now. Geogre16:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know, as far as my writing is concerned It is done. See what you think, if you have a moment. Geogre17:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Disguested
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I have been recently disgusted in a message sent by you sugesting i have deledted work from pages, please specify which ones as i have only added and not deledted!-Thank you (posted by User:217.43.247.15
I'm sorry the message offended you—it wasn't for you but only for your IP (presumably a dynamic one). Please see this list of contributions from the anonymous IP you're posting from right now: [45]. See how there are only two edits on it? Your message above, plus the removal of an image from the article Buckingham Palace on 28 March? I'm sure you, personally, have only been adding good material! I've no way of finding the IP or IPs you've been doing it from, though. Please consider creating an account, then you'll get credit for your good work and not risk getting messages sent to vandals! Bishonen | talk00:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi
For as long as I can remember, Sam Spade has been an irritant. I'm glad to see that User:El C has not left us on SS's account and will pop over there and tell him so now. As you may have noticed, I don't often involve myself in disputes, but sometimes not even I can turn a blind eye. By the way, have you seen WP:FLC? An idea I've been toying with for some time, and suddenly a number of people seem to have the same notion. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:23, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen!
Bye Bishonen! I'm off to school. I just saw you milling about and thought I'd wave. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 11:04, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
A wave in honour of Bish! :) Enjoy school, Linux, install linux – problem solved, etc. ;p El_C 02:58, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Ok, I am going to have this Restoration literature article's contributions from me done, absolutely, today. I still have no home Internet access. I'll also be out of town tomorrow. However, I only have to add L'Estrange, Ward, and Brown, and then I'll have exhausted all I know on the subject. I invite you to change or add or subtract. Geogre15:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your vote in support of my admin nomination. My wife read your comment about it perhaps not being "the humane thing to do" and nodded knowingly. Paul August ☎ 17:45, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
Our aim is to please. What a list! Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
So you are experiencing that heady rush that comes with newly-acquired superpowers? Don't let it distract you from what you do better than most, which is adding new quality, high-culture content that helps to balance the flood of TV and pop music trivia. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:46, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
First thing, I'd lose the "this list is incomplete" tag. And 50% of the links are red, so some stubs required. An annotated references section sounds good. But what I like most is the featured footnote idea; here goes User:Filiocht/Featured footnote candidates. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:26, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
What a lovely list. An image - say, a scan of one of the title pages - would be good too. As for references, how about a link to an online library search listing the books? -- ALoan(Talk) 10:11, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, ALoan, your appreciation is appreciated! There's a problem with the online library search link, though: the only remotely complete hitlist would be at the LOC or the British Library, and their links are treacherous. You make 'em, you check 'em, they look fine, but after a few hours they've died. The "session" timed out. Wham, you've been wikitrapped. Bishonen | talk 15:11, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ciao bella donna, Would you care to pass comment here: [46]Giano | talk 12:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A messy vote
I know this is going to be difficult, but could you please help in straighetning out the mess at Talk:Gustav_II_Adolph_of_Sweden#Requested_moves? Most of the Gustavus-voters are being very unreasonable, the vote is a complete and utter mess and violet is just being very stubborn about not doing anything about it and claims that there's consensus for moving.
Uppland and john k are even suggesting that we be "consistent" and rename the first four Swedish king-Gustavs "Gustavus".
Oh, groan. OK, I've done the best I could, with a note to Violet. Bishonen | talk 23:57, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello Bish. I hope you will not miss out on my text if I write it here.
Just want to draw you attention to User:No Account who has been changing every instance of Gustav II Adolph to Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden on all pages. I don't know if there was ever a consensus on the voting page. If there wasn't, such changes are uncalled for, don't you think? --Fred-Chess 07:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Groan again. Thanks, Fred. I've dropped a note on the user's talk page. Bishonen | talk 08:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Someone left a message for you on Talk:Bishonen, mindful that with your elevated status you must be in the main namespace. And indeed, with little delay, I have delivered it, so it can't be that bad of a way to reach you after all:
Hi Bishonen. Thanks for editing my Austen correction. I followed your links to here. Would the Ancient Greek term "ephebe" be a useful cultural comparison? BrainyBabe 01:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(Do you have Bishonen on your watchlist? Perhaps you ought to, for just such occurrences...) Mindspillage(spill yours?) 05:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I like Miyazaki Hayao! Just thought I'd share! El_C 06:28, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes, yes, I know I'm supposed to, just haven't gotten round to checking out these mysterious matters. I will watch Spirited Away some day, RSN! It's top of the list! Get off my case! Bishonen | talk 14:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Spirited Away' is a great film, do try to see it :).--Wiglaf 14:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish. I am not sure that the article is ready to be featured, but since an anonymous user thought so and tried to nominate it, I thought I could fix his failed nomination rather than put his attempt up for deletion. Hopefully, the article will attract attention and some more work. BTW, there were two Offas. One in England and one in the "homeland" of Angeln :).--Wiglaf 13:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Dangerous vandals
Hi Bish, I just blocked this vandal 24.101.125.230, and only three minutes later someone sent me an e-mail full of viruses.--Wiglaf 18:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, don't run Windows and you need not fear the vandals! Bishonen | talk 18:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Do you mean that they can easily track me because I use windows?--Wiglaf 19:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Heck, no, I mean you're vulnerable to viruses because you use Windows. You don't see me /cough/Mac/cough/ care if they send me viruses or not. Bishonen | talk 19:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(Hmm, no viruses on Apple? Well, maybe OS X does it differently, but the old Win viruses sure as shootin' messed up Apples. They just didn't do it the same way.) Geogre 15:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wiki e-mail
It appears that I did. I hadn't checked that address today yet, but I'm reading your mail now. Expect some response before I go to bed. :-) JRM · Talk 20:45, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
IRC etc
Hi Bish, thanks for the note about IRC. Once I've got over the shame of me, a scientist, being instructed in computer matters by a literature fanatic, I will install one of the clients and come over to where the cool kids hang out!
As to the page you pointed out, it seems to me that you are too modest and I am not modest enough. I think it's a nice idea and pretty harmless, but found it hard to resist the temptation to add myself to other categories I'd fit into :) Worldtraveller 09:21, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I agree, its nice to have something possitive about the place, where rewards and plaudits can be appreciated. Would you reconsider? I would love to put you back where you rightfully belong in a sort of editor's valhalla. I can't make up mu minf who else to nominate Giano | talk 12:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was shocked to see that your excellent edit was reverted without acknowledgement or explanation. I find the behaviour surprising from such an experienced editor. I see that the server moves afford us a day off tomorrow. And so to bed. --Theo (Talk) 01:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
My RFA
Hi Bishonen, thanks for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. No 100+ votes in my case, but good enough! Fawcett5 19:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Criticisms of Wikipedia
Hello Bishonen (beautiful boy in Japanese?)
"Soda80, please take your concerns to the talk page instead of automatically reverting."
I would be happy to talk or revise any text, however El C reverted repeatedly with no explanation, despite the fact that revision should ideally be used minimally, if I recall correctly. It would be great if you could answer me the simple question of who is obliged to talk first -- the deleter or contributor.
"Please source your claims. Any editor will be quite justified in removing statements based on Wikipedia's own Deep Throat "Some People".
The points were taken from the external links at the bottom of the page, which include this argument, such as this one: [47].
Thanks.
Hi, Soda80. You can sign a message on a talk page by typing four tildes, which will convert automagically to your signature (provided you're logged in) and timestamp. Removing unsourced speculative claims from articles is considered proper. I see you had a source, but how was El C to know that? He can hardly be expected to start digging through the external links on the off-chance that one of them will turn out to be your source..! The best thing to do is put in some kind of reference to your source in the place where you make the claim itself: it doesn't have to be perfectly formatted or a proper footnote, somebody else can fix that, as long as you make it clear that "I got it from here". In this case, that would have allowed others to see that your souorce is in fact dubious. I don't blame you--it was among the external links--but if you scroll down to the bottom of the wikinfo page, you'll see that it's a Wikipedia fork: you're using Criticism of Wikipedia as its own source. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 20:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I cannot say I'm surprised at the results of your bold merging, but the effort is appreciated regardless. I really don't have the inclination to make a stink over this and get a few dozen users to agree with me first (although I have no doubt that I could do that if I wanted to, because, well, I think I'm right, dammit). JRM · Talk 08:15, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
No, leave it. You acted apprpriately and so did I, and my changes got reverted; I've left full notes on both the talk pages, so maybe somebody else will come along and either revert Criticism of Wikipedia back to a redirect again, or tidy Wikipedia back back to how it was. You're the one that's always talking about trusting the community, let 'em fix this. I'm done—apart from anything else, I'm not getting into any edit wars with a user believed to be Wik. Life's too short.--Bishonen | talk 09:06, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
King Alexander Capone
See the link on my talk page to the ongoing discussion about whether or not first name articles should disambiguate (old policy) or be Lists of articles (proposed). You would also see there a nascent rebellion against articles on every single cricket match. The former has me in high dudgeon. ("Chips, chips, chips, chips...who will take all these chips from our shoulders?") Geogre 21:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Don Geogre, these may be troubled waters, so much so that I'm communicating my thoughts on them in e-mail. Bishonen | talk 22:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ah. In this case, I was referring to something that, I think, is much more benign. It's just the disambiguation talk page that I was referring to. That other stuff is still under investigation and advisement, and I'd prefer (still) not to address the person until I have a very wide board in my hand. My feeling is that I can craft a nice thick stick away from the drama of personal incommunication and then use it to drop from on high. Not as messy that way, especially emotionally. Geogre 01:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen come quickly
Help me! Please go immediatly to Province of and move it to Province of Catania I forgot to past ethe nem when moving it, and now it won't move back!!!! Giano | talk 13:10, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes please delete all evidence! Giano | talk 17:05, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was emailing you while you were doing it. Thanls a lot! I owe you one!!! Giano | talk 17:16, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hope all is well
I started working up Augustan literature but found myself, per usual, so unable to let go of the historical context that I just kept telling people more and more about my favorite era. I'd welcome any critique. BTW, I found a trove of literary pictures (book form), and I'll be scanning & sharing them soon. Geogre 13:06, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm slow, that's all. If you save up three or four of those lightning IRC visits and spend a whole ten seconds, you'll see me reply. Bishonen | talk 18:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
So, FAC it or not? I don't much care, but it would almost be amusing to see the comments from a certain segment of the room in response to it. BTW, see what I did to the bottom of it. I've done the same to the Augustan literature article. If'n we're going to have our English literature article break apart like that, we ought to make sure to have fuller articles at each location. Geogre 18:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
FARC
Isn't disagreeing fun? I'm afraid I've voted in an entirely predictable fashion, but I'm fairly certain I'll be a minority voice in the end. Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:13, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Who are you calling names? Expect your "virtue" to get rewarded this way? Maybe we could start a blocking war? Have I run out of meaningless questions yet? Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:53, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've been unblocked, despite setting fire to the servers and shooting Jimbo, because I've always been a nice guy before, and hey, I'm in the cabal. God what an ugly sandbox list. Irish Hospitality is legendary, but Shadwell is not; to describe his contribution as modest is to overestimate its worth. He was an English emigrant who, like so many of his countrymen, had to come to Ireland to fulfil his full potential and is definitly only ever discussed with an Irish cultural context (and hardly ever then). Never knwe before that I could type unlimited into that Expiry of ban box. See ya! Filiocht | Blarneyman 13:38, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
I think that there must be something nasty in Fil's poteen. Anyway, the reason I came here was to say thanks for the extensive explanation of the assassination of Assassination. It confirmed and extended my understanding of what I had deduced. --Theo (Talk) 19:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Right! I had no idea poteen had peyote in it, or whatever Fil's hallucinogen of choice is, but I have to admit I'm a little frightened. Extensive exploding explanation, wasn't it! I hope you took cover! Bishonen | talk 19:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I, for one, take issue with the FARC's reliance on narcotic sales for financing operations (and since they are the military wing of the Colombian Communist Party, I largely direct that criticism to them). A revolutionary struggle needs to draw from the people, and narcotics, in that sense, are a form of international lumpenism. Some charge that the military-wing of the Communist Party of Peru, which are known in the West as the Shining Path, also engages in such practices, but I have seen no evidence to indicate this being the case. El_C 03:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Poteen? Peyote? Nothing so crude. It's just the old bardic trance, induced by sipping honey and communing with the great world spirit ("where the bee sucks, there suck I" and all that). The frenzy of poetry and the hero. Frightened ye should be, for a bardic satire can raise boils on the skin of its target the size of Carrantuohill and it with the mist of Ireland crowning its peak. One verse from the poet so inspired can cause the maiden's heart to break for the love of the hero and him in the arms of another, and the strong man to weep for want of his sweetheart. Enough now, I'll be letting ye off this time, but don't be after trying my patience again. What? Where am I? What is this infernal machine? Nurse! Nurse! The antidote! Quickly! Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:47, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I can understand why you would think that, Filiocht. And I do appreciate both your honesty as well as the poetic delivery. T'was enjoyable to read. Alas, there's always more to it, or it would just work out offhand, did you really expect less? And there is force, and acrobatics, suffering and pain, and joy, and promise. Please excuse my atrocious grammar. Yours, El_C 09:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Filiocht, suddenly disagreeing becomes more fun—did you see Nichalp complaining of my discourtesy at Wikipedia talk:Featured article removal candidates? I've replied, feel free to comment if you wish and as you wish [casually breaking out the thumbscrews]. Nichalp is the standard-bearer for your cause, I believe. If you do go there, don't forget the poteen, the nurse, the flashing eyes, the floating hair, and a light picnic! Wait, I just thought of a few clinchers from Hegel in the original to add to my own post [shaking head admiringly]—the eloquence of that guy! Bishonen | talk 15:51, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh deary me, tears before bedtime!
I assume you have seen this [48]. I always thought it was an odd name! Yet I have left nothing but polite messages on their user pages concerning their chosen subjects. How very odd some people are. Giano | talk 18:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
New pictures
Ok, there are the following new images from me:
Flea-Hooke.gif: That disgusting gatefold flea from Robert Hooke's Micrographia. I put it up in miniature in the Restoration literature article, though I meant to include the fact that Thomas Shadwell made fun of the RS in The Virtuoso in 1676.
Othello-tragedy-18th.gif: An illustration from Thomas Hanmer's 1743 edition of Shakespeare (text taken from Pope) of Othello striking (not very forcefully...this was an improved play) Desdemona. I put it in miniature in the Dunciad article and may well put it in the "Other developments" section of the Augustan literature article, when I get to it. (I.e. As I put translators in the Rest. article, I'll put birth of textual criticism now to its infancy in the Augustan era.)
These mean less to me, and I have no place to put them now, but,
Spanish-tragedy.gif: A title page from later of the play, with a woodcut (not uploaded yet, but RSN).
Now in Thomas Kyd. The full size image is neat for book art. Geogre 01:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Faustus-tragedy.gif: Title page of Marlowe's play with woodcut (not uploaded yet, RSN).
Now in the appropriate Doctor Faustus article. Not as cool a cut. Geogre 01:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Southampton.gif: An image of the Earl of Southampton of Shakespeare's fondness, aged 21 in 1594, the year Shakespeare dedicated The Rape of Lucrece to him. (Is he the beautiful boy? Oooooh.) RSN. Geogre 22:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't these be JPEGs since they are photos? Gdr 17:04, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
I thought .png was supposed to be the preferred format for that, but, anyway, Geogre's images are scans of etchings and woodcuts and stuff—not photos, unless "scan" is a subset of "photo" (it may be, I don't know). I don't really know about formats, but I think these .gifs look great. Take a look at the flea! Incidentally, the big-ass professional subscription database EEBO—the complete collection listed in the famous Short-Title Catalogue— gives you a choice of downloading their scans of early books, which is what Geogre has, as either .gifs or .pdfs. Bishonen | talk 17:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just for reference, I scanned them using photoshop. I have never seen .png as an option for saving files with Photoshop. If it existed, I'd do it. However, since these are black and white photos (16 color), I use .gif. Gif is a superior format for low-color images and JPEG for high color images. Generally, the file will be smaller as a GIF if b&w than a JPG, but the reverse if there is true color involved. Geogre 18:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A scan is a type of photo. PNG is a lossless form of compression, so it's suitable for images where you want each pixel to be exactly what you specify, for example icons, diagrams, and graphs. The main advantage of JPEG is the much smaller file size you can get for the same image. I converted Image:Flea-Hooke.gif (1.2 MB) to JPEG as Image:Flea-Hooke.jpg (300 KB) as an example. Gdr 17:39, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Not me, man. I'm not vain. Anyhow, I really went to GIF because of the Kyd title page, where there are words. I'll bet that a jpg and gif version of that are dramatically different, with the jpg's text being much harder to read. Geogre 18:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Compare Image:Kyd, Spanish Tragedy.jpg (215 KB) with Image:Spanish-tragedy.gif (1.1 MB). Of course, one doesn't need to apply quite so much compression. But I don't see any difference in readability and the file is only a fifth of the size. Gdr 21:25, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
You are right. Turns out, I hadn't done my job properly. I hadn't drained the color from the channels in Photoshop or told the scanner to use gray scale instead of color, so the sacrifice was made at the outset. I should have scanned in gray scale and then saved as gif. (shrug) Oh, well, live and relearn. The new png's I'm making are gray scale from the start, so they ought to not be lossy at all. Geogre 00:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and Bishonen, the Earl of Southampton is going to have to wait until after work. I have a fast connection at work, but an ancient machine with no USB ports, so I can't use a flash drive to take an image from home to upload here, and, at home, uploading one of these big suckers takes a while. Geogre 18:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I gotcher Bishonen right here:
A Bishonen of the 16th century who bewitched Shakespeare.
Also, the other two that I'm fixing to upload are .png's. Whaddya know, Photoshop had that as an alternative all along! Geogre 21:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
An Outrage
Follow this link: The Spectator. If you page down far enough, you find the glory of Wikipedia's stub system. Geogre 15:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A greater outrage
Hi, I am both surprised and dissapointed to see yet again this user is blackening our names (including yours). I think the time has now come for this number to be, if not permanently, banned, then at least for a long time. I have made a reply here [49]; but this user generally as you know) deletes anything detrimental to their own image as soon as possible.
Slime mould is fascinating stuff, you know. You should be flattered to be compared to it (although that was not really what was meant). -- ALoan(Talk) 12:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
More baroque imagery
Ok, so I have also uploaded Book-auctioneer.png, which is a satirical print from 1700 showing how books got around without people having much edumucation (see Augustan literature#Prose for the picture). I'm fixing to upload Donne-shroud.png, which is the engraving of John Donne in his winding sheet, which he posed for in life. I suppose I'll put that in the Donne article. N.b. these are much cooler than slime. Geogre 21:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, Theo is merely bringing out some slime to keep me company—I was told on the Wikipedia talk:Featured article removal candidates page today that I like to do that. I also got called nomination trigger-happy, and... what was the third thing again? Oh, yeah, discourteous. Hey, excellent scan, I can read all the text in the high-resolution version! "The late famous unborn doctor." Note the ladies in the background! Bishonen | talk 21:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The Donne picture is now in, of all places, John Donne. They all look fairly decent, esp. since most of the images floating on the web were originally made in the bad old days of scanners and have simply been stolen by multiple hands since then, I guess. Geogre 21:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sheesh. Some people's children have no manners at all. Don't sweat it, Bishonen. It was bound to happen that you'd run across one of the peevish. Simple statistics means you were overdue for an irrational rant from someone. BTW, I also rediscovered a nice folio book of Hogarth's engravings. (Also please for you to note that no one comes along to my user page to tell me what great things I'm doing for literature articles... except you, of course, so I think the balance point is way over toward the good, and you needn't worry about the petulant.) I'll be getting around to Hogarth after a while. I've still got assorted images before I get there. When I do get there, I plan to submit "The Distress'd Poet" as my image for the Face Book. Geogre 00:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You surprised me!
Bishonen, you really had me fooled...I always thought you were a guy based on your username, now I just discovered you are a gal (after rereading your revamp userpage)! I'm no sexist, but this really comes as a major surprise.
Whatever. You must be one of the finest workers on English literature in the whole of Wikipedia. You have praises enough, but I can't help but encourage you on. I think the state of literary articles in Wikipedia need much more work then it has now. Mandel 23:29, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Mandel, undeserved compliments always happily swallowed whole over here! I know my username is kind of deceptive, I did want to be hidden by it when I first arrived. (Can't even remember why anymore.) You may call me Bishojo! :-) Do you see Geogre being jealous above? Go look at his userpage, his article braglist is the most amazing thing you ever saw! Bishonen | talk 01:59, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK, you both are Wikipedia's shining lights! Mandel 03:51, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
More if you want them
Swift-works.png (now the 2nd picture at Jonathan Swift, which is not a great article), showing Swift in the Dean's chair getting the laurel, title page of 1735 Works.
Pope-dying.png from Museus by William Mason, 1747, showing Pope dying into the arms of Diana and Milton, Spenser, and Chaucer waiting to welcome him to heaven. (2nd image in Alexander Pope.)
Johnson-blinking.png is that super-famous Reynolds portrait of Johnson bending a book cover back and "blinking" at it with his one good eye from 1775. (2nd image in Samuel Johnson, but looks bad.)
Pope-Alexander.png is the satirical print on "A--P-E," showing Pope as a monkey in a tiara, frontispiece to Pope Alexander and sold separately. That's going in Dunciad. Geogre 01:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) (1st image in Dunciad.)
Sober actions
I have followed up on the FARC talk page. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:32, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for proof-reading A'man for me, Bishonen! And thanks for your insightful comments/questions. I have responded to them here. El_C 07:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, just to note that I changed back the meaning of the 'Intelligence Branch' in the lead, because while it is the 'intelligence branch' (note lower case) of the IDF, I wanted to emphasize on it beings the abbv. name. The next sentence then explains that this is Israel's MI, which I think is sufficient for the lead, because that's really the key. As an aside, I need to get the source that Zero recommended to clarify a host of issues. El_C 14:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was actually serious about Swedish Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. A Google search for "swedish medical center" [50] lists it as top entry [51]. In Seattle, "Swedish Medical Center" is often referred to as just "Swedish". -- Jwinters | Talk 16:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining, and I'll leave it up to you, but I still don't think colloquial local Seattle usage ought to be part of the disambiguation of the word Swedish. There may be 1,500 playschools all over the US known locally as "Swedish", for all I know. There's very likely a type of candy known in Baltimore as "Swedish", and several cafeterias in Minnesota called "Swedish". If there are these things, they shouldn't be on the disambiguation page, and neither should the Medical Center, IMHO. A Google search for "Swedish Medical Center" lists the Seattle Center as the top hit.. ? Uh, so..? How do you mean? The page doesn't disambiguate "Swedish Medical Center", it disambiguates "Swedish"! Bishonen | talk 17:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Point taken on Google for Swedish Medical Center, but a Google search for swedish returns Swedish Medical Center as #2 result. Point also taken on the local usage. Upon reconsideration, I will remove it from the list. -- Jwinters | Talk 18:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Cool! Always a pleasure to meet a reasonable editor. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 18:59, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
senza parole!
Email!
Thank you
Bishonen, frankly, you're one of the most important people that participated in my RFA. This is way overdue, but thank you for your support vote, your backup, and your general coolness since I met you. Thank you so much! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:02, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Who will be the first to find the European toilet paper holder?
A contest for all the scatologically obsessed visitors to your talk page: In Image:Hogarth-rehearsal.png, who will be the first to find the toilet paper holder? Here is a hint: the toilet paper is labelled with "Hamlet" and "The Way of ye World." Geogre 02:02, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's always in the last place you look... El_C 02:07, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Contest over! Here is the answer. (File ETPH.png.) Geogre 12:58, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Other stuff
I'll leave room for other seekers, above.
Another new image is a picture of the infamous Mr. B. is in Image:Pamela-1742.png, an engraving by Gravelot and Hayman for the 1742 octavo Pamela.
You want theater history? I can help. Image:Settle-Morocco.png is an engraving of the stage used in the Dorset Garden Theatre for the premiere of Elkannah Settle's The Empress of Morocco in 1673. So there!
Literacy in the 18th century? Well, I've seen grown men get into fights arguing about when and where the first circulating library was. I know full well that it was somewhere at some time. Beyond that, I won't even guess. However, Image:Nobles-library.png shows an ad for Francis Nobles's library. My source says that Bath had the first in 1725 and "by the 1780's they were everywhere." Well, not everywhere. I was misled by my caption into thinking this was an illustration from the first generation of libraries, but it's clearly not. That woman is wearing Regency clothes. Anyway, Pat Rogers (the caption author) said that libraries were associated with female patronage, and the illustration shows a lady being led about. Oh, and 5 points for anyone who can tell me what the heck that animal on the floor is.
Hope you enjoy them & find articles that need them. Geogre 04:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You better believe that, see List of books with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded"! I actually have the Settle set engraving on my hard drive--don't remember if I also uploaded it, you know how one can never find a wiki image. Anyway, mine is a most paltry scan, downloaded together with Image:Inside Dorset Gardens.gif (used in in Restoration comedy, but not for much longer!), both of them now thoroughly ashamed of themselves. You don't by any delirious chance have scenes from actual plays, or portraits of named actors, do you? (No. OK. I don't believe any exist.) Bishonen | talk 07:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Alas, no. I have done what I could with what I have. Unfortunately, no pictures of anyone acting except Garrick, and that's already on the site. I know full well that portraits of that type exist, but I just don't have them. I think they do exist, myself. Given the fact that they'd make engravings for library subscriptions, gallows tickets (in my Wild article), etc., it would be absurd to think that they didn't make their own version of the Farrah Fawcet poster. I'm sure they're all sitting in the National Gallery, too. Once upon a time, I would have thought there weren't any, since scholars and critics writing on theater history haven't put them in books, but, lately, I've begun to believe more strongly in the passion of laziness in all scholars and critics working after 1945. (So, did you find the ETPH?) Geogre 11:52, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The "purely factual" version is inaccurate
Okay, but make it accurate please. user:Oliver Chettle is defunct (he's a character from a novel by the way). user:Gillian Tipson will not be posting again either at this IP. All three accounts should say "has posted" not "is posting".
This saga has been by far the most unpleasant experience I have ever had on the internet. I know I can snap at people sometimes, but I am prepared to reason and to apologise in cases where there appears to be a hope of compromise. I hope that you can see that some part of the blame for this horrible feud lies with Giano, even if only 0.1%. He has caused me great emotional distress, and all I have asked is that he leave me alone. If he has been upset too, ideally I would be sorry, but I am not noble hearted enough for that. I find it astonishing that his ire seems uncooled after five and a half months, and that it made no difference that "Oliver" made contributions which he praised (Chatsworth House) and helped him out when he asked for assistance.
Wikipedia's value is as a reference work. As a "community" it is horrible. Perhaps you know many people who feel differently, but the long standing contributors must mostly be either more thick skinned or more laid back than the average person. I feel sure that large numbers of good contributors must be driven away every month, and I think there should be some means for users to protect themselves without going through long procedures which require them to relive all their bad experiences, and end in feeble and ineffectual punishments. (user:Irate was posting abuse again within 24 hours of his "three month ban", and also sent me obscene emails, though I haven't seen him lately.) Not to mention that powerful users with their established friends are at an unfair advantage in any such proceedings. All I wanted was to be left alone to contribute. I don't have a problem with users who attack me once and move on, but this has been intolerable. The present system doesn't work, and giving people the power to block certain users from posting on their user page would be much more effective at keeping the peace. I believe that very few discussions which would improve Wikipedia would be prevented, and on the other hand more good contributors would be retained. 82.35.37.118 03:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Again with the leaving you alone? I notice you never had anything to say to this cry of distress from myself, not back in March, and not now. Yes, it has been intolerable. Giano quit Wikipedia for a time because of you, and I'm quite surprised at myself that I never did.
I was nevertheless very sorry to see you fall foul of the notorious Irate. I did the only thing I could, which was to e-mail you offering to keep his posts off your pages. If you received my message, you didn't have the grace to reply.
I will change the reference to your other accounts as you request. If you have more of them, please bear in mind that the way you speak when displeased is characteristic, even unmistakable, so don't expect it to make a lot of difference if you post from a different IP or change to a dynamic IP. SlimVirgin and Giano never had any technical means of identifying your reincarnations. They simply recognized how you talk, and if you go on talking like that, under any name, they will recognize you again. Please show that you can change. Bishonen | talk 06:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You were abusive and blindly partisan and I would have been a fool to trust you. Good bye. 82.35.37.118 06:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And there it is again. Now I ask you to please keep off my page. Bishonen | talk 06:11, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
File:4kitties.jpgLending you the Four Kittens of the Apocalypse, given to me in my hour of need by El C
Whew! That familiar sour note parting shot. He was editing David Icke and Talk:David Icke as three users: Oliver, Gillian, and the IP address, claiming to be different people, but clearly the same one: same arguments, writing style, spelling/grammar quirks, and the same abruptness. Despite that behavior, he seems genuinely to believe he's the only person acting in good faith. Oliver, if you read this, we would all of us like to see you change your editing style and be part of Wikipedia. But it is a community. You don't have to join in all the fun, but you can't edit as though no one else exists either. SlimVirgin(talk) 06:49, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Wow! answers.com is quite new to me,, it's brilliant! It's so hard to limit myself here.. may I submit two entries without fuss, or is it necessary to use sockpuppets?
Sorry. And though I know you are a quite independent being (yet being enlightened enough not to take offense at the implicit suggestion that I would assume you're not) I still feel primarily responsible for instigating this whole mess. I would have much rather been the target of scorn myself. I will not discuss such things on talk pages in the future, at least not without also just doing it. Trusting on others to fix mistakes is good, but only as long as you don't point out those you could fix yourself, controversial or not. I'm not going to be so "forthcoming" with the peanut gallery in the future. JRM · Talk 21:41, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
Faccing restoration literature
So, what do you think now? It has references, gobs of them. Geogre 16:19, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have some points—it would be more convenient to IRC. If you get a chance to do that, could you beep me and then wait a bit for me, please? Bishonen | talk 17:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I totally messed up making the nomination. Those procedures are either too arcane or too poorly explained, or I'm too dumb. Geogre 20:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely! Thanks a ton. The reference will be in the epic poetry section (the inline ref). I'll add it in, if you can do the reference, since your formatting of that section is superior, to say the least, to mine. The Satire ref isn't exactly what I was thinking of (the one I'm thinking of is his preface to his own translation of The Satires of ____ some Roman whose name I forget, and that's why it's called "The Preface to the Satires," but that's for another day), but the one on the epic is perfect for Dryden's talk on the heroic verse. Thanks again. Geogre 16:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
stromfronts
Dear Bishonen, I've yet to track down a source for those storm pics, so I uploaded some noaa ones instead. You can view a gallery of them here: User talk:EI C. I'll be working on integrating them within articles in the following days. Yours, 70.28.160.144 23:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
WOW! Thank you, dear 70.28.160.144! May I call you 70.28? Bishonen | talk 23:12, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You can call me anything you want! I seem to be having difficulties staying loged in for some reason. I might need to reinstall my firewall. -- ElC
I'll call you EI C, then—good idea to use the anti-impersonation page! Blshonen
Scolia felix!
Thanks to you, I was on Questia today and found a full BOOK on the theory of the epic 1660-1800. Woohoo! (Yes, I know: I'm the only person on earth to find that interesting, but that just proves the Great Chain of Being is true.) Anyway, I'm going to have better references for the Auggie lit article. This person (Swedenberg is his name, of all things) quotes from his sources liberally and has good notes, etc., and he's from 1944, so he's untainted by theoretical neuroses and is still in that generation that had to fight Macaulay tooth and nail. (He begins his book by trying to promise that 18th c. poetry isn't all evil.) Geogre 01:14, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Minor poets and bigots
I looked at the Wesley article to see if I could help. Indeed, that lead was 2 lines. The whole article is dry reiteration of A Child's Book of Protestants or something. Then I thought perhaps I ought to tell the nominator the ways the article could be improved via his talk page. Well. That was something. First warning was the friendly comments from folks who worry me on VfD. Then, though, I saw a reference to talk:Stephen Spender, so I went there. Gasp. Unbelievable. Here is another one to avoid. Geogre 04:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Uhu. More interesting than my tip, was it? Bishonen | talk 09:28, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, but I think you missed my point, as I wasn't really pointing at an article, but a person. I've read the Ashmole article, but I'm a little too consumed right now to comment on PR. I will. Geogre 12:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, no, I didn't miss it, I noted the person, I quite agree with the gasp. I was just referring to your original impulse, to help with the Wesley article. I don't suppose there's any hurry for Pete, I just wanted to point again in case you overlooked the first time. Any IRC time today? Bishonen | talk 13:18, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bishonen, got your message. Look, I'm sorry if I came off brusque in my comment, I didn't mean to suggest the POV or bad writing on the PC page was due to you or anyone else in particular. I sometimes forget that these faceless pages are actually cared for by real people, so I apologize. As for your comments about the page, I agree that the article is in dire need of a rewrite, and that it probably will always be a problem due to passersby adding/changing whatever strikes them as fun or interesting. I would be more than happy to help out in any way I can. I'll comment on the talk page and try to come back to the article every so often... Let me know if I can be of any other help. RiseAbove 00:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
However, if you look at English literature#Augustan literature and compare the diffs before and after my last edit, you'll at least see what I want to do with the Auggie Lit article. The Rest Lit article was easier to break down into prose, poetry, drama than the Auggie would be. In this, authors of one are always authors of the other. Pope, Swift, Fielding, and Gay wrote prose, poetry, and drama. Richardson and Smollett are the only one-trick guys in the lot. Geogre 03:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You're over two weeks late. Still, I noticed that your BDay wishes were placed on 19:39, 5 July 2005, yet your time stamp says 4 July. If you actually have the capacity for time travel, please go back two weeks and preview my my Pachiis (sadly, long since been deleted), and do what needs to be done! El_C 6 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
Thank you kindly, Sannse, Project2501a and El C, for providing such a fine entertainment! All visitors to this page, please have some cake and vodka, enjoy the music, don't forget the ice! Pull up a chair! Bishonen | talk 15:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll take some to go! Subversion on break, etc. My friends people's-ized Pachii for my own Birthday a few months ago, just thought I'd share it with you (note the vodka!) El_C 00:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Afraid not. Try sending again without FARC in the subject or text. Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:19, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
hey, I passed by to see if you were still around, why, a belated "happy solstice" then (I suppose the two celebrations will fuse in a haze, in your climes)! dab(ᛏ) 17:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
O Christmas Tree!
Your user talk page now has more images on it than Commons, I think, and looks like a Christmas tree, with all the ornaments hanging off. That's why I come bearing no images at all. In fact.
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Now. I wanted to let you know that Augustan literature#Philosophy and religous writing is done. I don't want to let you know that this article is making Restoration literature look like a substub and that I'm worried that, when it's done, it'll be about 12 megabytes, but that's probably obvious. Geogre 17:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Now, Augustan literature#The_novel is not done, but I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on the weird thesis I'm developing there. (I think what I'm saying is true, but unprofound. At the same time, I don't think it has been said.) Geogre 15:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Theo RFA
I must keep this brief. I am too busy and self-important to talk to my old friends now.—Theo (Talk) 19:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wikidiot
you just deleted an article due to "Vandalism, abuse"; care to explain?
Yes. This is an encyclopedia, your page was not an encyclopedia article. It consisted of an aggressive attack against the person or persons who had deleted previous contributions of yours. I find it quite hard to believe that you expected it to be kept, assuming that you're aware that we speedy delete any pages. Please find an appropriate discussion page to conduct arguments on, preferably without violating the civility policies of this place. Please sign edits on Talk pages, by typing four tildes or typing your IP. Thank you.--Bishonen | talk 01:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It ... is.... done (expires)
Since you keep trying
to get me to gain
weight. I figure
that
thing will occur to me, or some picture that I know I forgot (like a picture of Richardson). However, I'm close to not caring.
There.
That was it. I just broke the care. Now I don't care. I maligned dozens of "great female novelists before Jane Austen?" Cool. I only hope I maligned 'em all. I missed the important them of colonialism of the body space in projections of ideology of representation in Richardson? Groovy. That helps my high. I doan care no mo' about no 18th century novel. Geogre 02:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Besides, we have Bill's Donuts here, and they're a nearly religious ecstacy in every bite. :-O Geogre 02:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll have the third peach down, then. Geogre 02:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) (a Georgia Peach)
Have some cake, have them all!
Late
Belated Birthday Greetings. "Chi trova un amico trova un tesoro" Giano | talk 10:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Awwwww. Siete un tesoro anche! Have some belated cake! Bishonen | talk 10:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Belated best wishes from me, too. Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:09, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
For you, Fil, a tableful! Bishonen | talk 13:02, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
How nice to see that the shade of the late Filiocht is abroad. Oops! I forgot. I'm too busy for this.—Theo (Talk) 12:38, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Better late than never. Now go delete something, you admin, you. Filiocht | Blarneyman 13:29, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Frontispiece ID
Hey, if you need a break from all this serious stuff, why don't you try the "Guess England's Worthies" game over here. I just asked Geogre too. I thought you might get a kick out of it. If I just ask you and G it's not spam, is it? PRiis 04:21, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
SethIlys
Seth is already an admin, he just felt it was necessary to run again after the really contentious User:Eequor RFA. :) – ugen64 14:42, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Appreciate your help -- even though its not directed at me, it is still an annoyance. WBardwin 20:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What was going on there? I couldn't figure out why he was "partly" blocked, and I couldn't find the block in the block list. Jayjg (talk) 20:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Jayjg, Linuxbeak had blocked 207.200.116.132 and WBardwin wrote a message on User talk:Linuxbeak. I noticed it—I'm watching the pages because Linux is doing some heavy vandal-fighting—and unblocked the IP shortly afterwards, say 20:15 UTC. I interfered because I figured Linux might be gone for the weekend, as he hasn't been editing, and WBardwin and maybe others too would have an unconscionable wait. Perhaps you checked for the block after I'd already removed it? I was a little uncertain, since the range wasn't listed on Special:Blockip, but I checked with JRM on IRC and he told me to go ahead and unblock (and then he put the range on the list, too). Thanks for your patience, WBardwin. I bet it is an annoyance! :-( Bishonen | talk 21:53, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The IP mentioned is an AOL cache proxy and should not be blocked for any length of time. I did some probing in the range and it seems to be wholly or mostly comprised of caches, so I added the range to the exclusion list. We can always narrow it down if that should be necessary, but better safe than sorry. JRM · Talk 22:31, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)
belated thanks
Thanks for your support of my RFA, not to mention the warm welcome on (the dreaded caballistic) IRC! Unfortunately there was a death in my family right around the time of my RFA, so I haven't been able to spend as much time and energy as I would like on Wikipedia stuff. Things seem to be getting back to normal now, so hopefully I'll be able to contribute more actively. Just wanted to say "thanks" officially! :-) FreplySpang(talk) 01:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I used the toilet paper
Well, see what you think of Augustan literature#Drama. It's done, and I, at least, won't add a word to it, except to correct typos. I think I do a fair job of covering the subliterary plays to explain why we have so few playwrights of the era. Oh, and I finished the Augustan literature#Prose#Satire (unclassified) as well, although I did a pisspoor job of that. This leaves on poetry between myself and being done (for). Geogre 04:55, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also, thanks a ton for the proofing and adding you've done there. I've been tinkering with the rougher sentences, and there are still some potholes in the prose. (One sentence, and I can't remember what it is now, just sounds awful, and I keep forgetting to fix it because (like now) I keep forgetting what it is until I read it again.) Geogre 17:04, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the dates. They were much needed. ("So, did you have a good date?" "I don't know. It says 'January 22.'") BTW, I got e-mailed like crazy from the user I banned earlier. He said his cousin and his brother used his account and vandalized, but not him. I didn't feel like writing back to tell him that letting your cousin or brother at your account is, similarly, grounds for a ban. I suppose I'll go to his talk page and explain it there. Even if he doesn't log in, he can go check the talk page. Geogre 02:21, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
saved bits
No worries, it took me a while to get that nowiki figured out so thought I may as well share it... SeanMack 13:20, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
E-mail
Hi - and thanks for the e-mail re PC3 from (shock) almost 10 days ago... that will teach me not to check my e-mail frequently! Glad to help. -- ALoan(Talk) 22:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've been reverse vandalized!
Weird beyond weird is a diff on my user page. Someone called user:bleakimage, who has no contributions but this, came along and corrected a typo on my user page. :-) You can't call that vandalism. How very strange a thing it is. Needless to say, I won't roll back the edit. Geogre 17:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please have a second look at the article. I've removed the examples of POV you noted, but as I wrote the article, I won't be able to easily spot my own two cents in amongst fact. Please remove and edit what you see as unnecessary. Thanks. Harro5 22:52, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm really happy with how the article is improving with your help. Any criticism I expect to see coming in the FAC will most likely focus on the article's conciseness, and your work has really helped improve that. Most of these long sections came out of the first FAC for the page, when Ambi provided a long list of stuff she thought should be added. Unfortunately, the FAC failed before anyone hada good chance to review my new additions. Please continue reviewing and criticing the article, as I'll take all the outside assistance I can get. Harro5 June 28, 2005 22:35 (UTC)
The FAC is pretty slow at present, but I'd really appreciate it if you'd go over the article thoroughly and weed out any unnecessary stuff you find. Your edits have been some of the best help I've got on the article thus far. Thanks. Harro5 July 1, 2005 23:51 (UTC)
What is IRC? How do you get there :P? I now its a chat room for Wikipedia, but could you give me a link or something? About the buildings, I think it is important info, but could definitely be shortened. Give me some details about IRC and we'll talk again. Thanks. Harro5 July 2, 2005 23:20 (UTC)
I'm not going to start on IRC just yet (I'm on school holidays here, but need to be doing homework, and am spending too much time on the net as is :) ), but may start up soon. Anyway, I'm wondering what problems you still see in the article, and how close you are to supporting it for FAC. I'd really like to see this article featured, even if not on the main page, and am going to address some of your problems re: coeducation and the buildings in the next few minutes. Thanks. Harro5 July 4, 2005 22:47 (UTC)
I've fixed up this stuff. Have a look at the diff, and see if this is what you were aiming to see. Thanks. Harro5 July 4, 2005 22:58 (UTC)
I'll delete that stuff you hid. The halls are set to open late this year, and the opening has been planned since 2003 (the construction is way over the deadline), and its going to be a pretty big deal. I might add a note about the halls then. The Thompson Centre is pretty much just a gym and a room for functions and dinners, so it can go. Thanks for that. Harro5 July 5, 2005 00:05 (UTC)
Very good edit. See, this is the sort of stuff I'd never notice looking over my own work. The student no. in the infobox was a typo; changed "one of the most prestigious independent schools" to "well-regarded independent school". How does that sound? Basically, the APS is very prestigious in Melbourne - think of the Ivy League on a local scale - and needs to sort of show its importance. Granted, I've said that in the Associated Public Schools of Victoria article, and I think the new language should be NPOV. Thanks. Harro5 July 5, 2005 09:05 (UTC)
Gobbo's gone. Getting any closer to that support vote yet :D? Either way, just keep doing what you're doing to this article. I feel its almost there. Harro5 July 5, 2005 09:16 (UTC)
I like the new changes, especially the additions to the lead. I've tried to add the middle school into the first academics paragraph, but feel it shouldn't get a whole explanation right there, so I've given a bookmark to the middle school section. See what you think. Thanks again for your help. Harro5 July 5, 2005 22:26 (UTC)
I got yer pills for melancholy right here!
You brought up Ned Ward, giving me a nasty shock, as I hadn't mentioned the man in the Satire section. Oopsie. London Spy unmentioned? Not good. While we're at it, what about Poor Tom Durfey and Tom Brown? Gulp. Well, I couldn't find online any references at all to Pills for Melancholy that weren't "AMAZING ALL NATURAL VIAGGRA PILLS FOR MELANCHOLY" (plus all other search terms), so I couldn't date it. I did get some Ned Ward info and a smidge of Tom Brown. Far too little, even in an overview. I tsk at myself. Thanks for the dating you've done so far. Tomorrow, I'll try to remember to go to Questia to search for poor Tom and Ned and Tom. Geogre 03:28, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Footnotes
People keeping wanting more footnotes at BP, how do I make them work? - mine won't. Can't see what they want them for anyway! Giano | talk 28 June 2005 13:03 (UTC)
So what does that do? Giano | talk 28 June 2005 13:52 (UTC)
Oh I see, but so what? I just don't get it! Giano | talk 28 June 2005 14:02 (UTC)
I think there's a bug in the fancy new software, these footnotes aren't working right. I had a cool well-working simple footnote system at The Country Wife that I was gonna use, but whaddayaknow, Ta Bu Shi has changed it. So I'm going with the new system at BP too—might as well, if people are going to mess with it in any case. Though I feel about ready to write a "Please respect the original author's choice of style" instead. :-( You might as well not bother about getting it, there's nothing there to get right now! Bishonen | talk 28 June 2005 14:25 (UTC)
That is the problem I was having, it's all too stressful, I shall have to call up my masseuse Giano | talk 28 June 2005 14:31 (UTC)
I think I've got it right now, unless you've been edit conflicting me, I darent'look. If you have, I'll just kill you with my bare hands, think of it as Swedish massage. Meanwhile, what the people at FAC are asking for is more inline refs, in the form of either bracketed references or footnotes. The footnote about Nash and Edward VII is long, that's why it needs to be a footnote, but normally I prefer inline references. They're less daunting for the reader, and more immediately visible and informative. Easier to do, also. In fact, I'm going to remove the stupid Blaikie footnote right now, add Blaikie to the references section, and put a short inline reference in place of the note. See how it looks now? That's the way. You're supposed to put in anything from the references section that supports your statements into the text in that very shortened way—surname in brackets only (plus a page reference iff the support is hard to locate in the book). That's what the people are after. (They may call it "footnotes" but ignore that.) I'd be happy to do it, if I knew which reference supports which statement, but of course I don't. Let me know if any more actual footnotes are wanted, I'll do them, I've got the hang of 'em now. Bishonen | talk 28 June 2005 14:58 (UTC)
I have not been edit conflicting you, I am very busy doing proper work, I thought it was alright as it was, I was just trying to sort out what people wanted while I ate a miserable sandwich at lunchtime, I wrote it all so long ago I can't remember what came from which book, the Blaikie bit was from User: Craigy anyway, I removed the bit about the palace being ugly, can't remember who added that (not me) if they want it back they can jolly well add it and source it themselves. Thanks for the help anyway. Giano | talk 28 June 2005 15:07 (UTC)
I'm free now - fancy a drink? Giano | talk 28 June 2005 18:38 (UTC)
PS: I can send somebody around to pick you up!
At the moment of that handsome offer, I was glamorously out on my bike getting soaking wet in the rain. The drink would have gone down well! The driver would have picked up me and the bike both, I assume? Bishonen | talk 28 June 2005 20:59 (UTC)
To think some people still ride bikes what a novel idea, my driver would certainly have picked you up may have left the bike though, it spoils all that leather upholstery.Giano | talk 28 June 2005 21:11 (UTC)
I meant to say when Wikipedia was off the air last nigh, I spent ages connecting myself to IRC finally got there to find so much choice, found myself in a teeny chat room which was confusing to all - you didn't seem to be there, couldn't find anybody else I knew so deleted the process before I confused anybody further. Giano | talk 28 June 2005 21:24 (UTC)
RfA thanks
Thanks for your support for my adminship. Cheers, -Willmcw June 28, 2005 18:26 (UTC)
Bold thesis from a madman
Maybe it's the migraine talking, or the migraine medicine, which has left me stoned, but I have just come up with a doozy of a thesis for Augustan literature#Poetry. See what you think. It's something like a book thesis. Geogre 28 June 2005 20:11 (UTC)
See it now. I've put in an array of views to try to open up every theorist and tell them all not to bother me. :-) Geogre 29 June 2005 00:32 (UTC)
IRC
Have just sent you an email, I am going off air now to do some real work for a few hours. Thanks for the comments and help about IRC, but I will not be going again, you wouldn't beleive the things those teens were talking about! I just googled IRC and downloaded what came up, they said I could have 30 days for free and then pay £30, are you sure its IRC you are on, and its not called something else here. Anyway I'm done with it. Giano | talk 29 June 2005 13:11 (UTC)
Pay? Pay? Don't know what you're talking about there, there's no paying. You were just born to be conned by Google shysters, weren't you? Get one of those kids of yours to set up an IRC client (a piece of widely available free software) for you and show you what to do. Don't tell me you've got all those boys and not a useful one among them. As for what us kewl kids talk about on #wikipedia, er.. no, no, you're quite right, I have absolutely no idea. If anybody ever said PENIS, *I* sure never noticed. :-) Bishonen | talk 29 June 2005 13:25 (UTC)
PENIS Giano, you can hide PENIS any comments you like PENIS by just putting a PENIS in front of it PENIS. Bishonen won't notice it PENIS as long as it's PENIS four words or less. PENIS (/PENIS) Geogre 29 June 2005 14:27 (UTC)
Compare Linuxbeak's new formula at WP:VIP: what Geogre does above is there defined as "low severity vandalism", or more precisely "'Stupid' edits (such as adding the word 'penis' to every sentence)". What do you think, a 24-hour block? Or does he deserve indulgence for all the hard work at Restoration literature and Augustan literature? Bishonen | talk 29 June 2005 14:51 (UTC)
Hard ban him now. Filiocht | Talk June 29, 2005 14:54 (UTC)
Prettytable me now! Filiocht | Talk June 29, 2005 15:12 (UTC)
Now Geogre, please do not use dirty filthy words on Bishonen's page. That word is particularly bad because it will encourage impressionable young people to touch their "tinkle bells" (that may have lost something in translation) which as we all know will lead to blindness, and walking with a limp and many other infirmities and also as I was once informed by a very senior nun at my old school, "tinkle bells" have a tendency to drop off if manhandled. I was only explaining too Theo earlier today we have to behave in a mature fashion on this site and ignore juvenile behaviour - so I am not going to mention your preoccupation with "tinkle bells" again, but I will just add an aunt of mine had a preoccupation with "tinkle bells" and she came to a very sticky end indeed. Please remember there are young people (not only myself and Filiocht) who are shocked, but also seminary priests etc. who all contribute. Giano | talk 29 June 2005 17:26 (UTC)
Now look what you've made me do, I was so shocked by Geogre's behaviour I forgot what came here to ask, is this [52] the site you download IRC from, not that I'm going to even if it is, £30 is a great deal of money. Giano | talk 29 June 2005 17:37 (UTC)
No, I can't ask any of my boys, as we have banned chatrooms in case they come into contact with funny men talking about penises (is that the correct plural) Giano | talk 29 June 2005 17:39 (UTC)
Download the program mIRC, yes. IRC is just something you do (=Internet Relay Chat), not a program or a download. That site looks like a place to get mIRC from. I can't see nothing about no £30. If you succeed in having to pay for mIRC, you're unique, that's all I can say. Install it and then...oh you want to get to a place called "freenode". (I don't know how, I think it may just appear as an option.) Once you're there, type /join #wikipedia and hit Enter, and you're in. Note the slash, that's part of it. As for the blindness and walking with a limp discussion, I cannot believe it's taking place here, have you guys even noticed where you are? Shoo! Get a room! Bishonen | talk 29 June 2005 18:21 (UTC)
Obviously, Bishonen DOES see the PENISES, and she must know what they are if she's shocked by them. Perhaps we can find out the root of the problem with a little free association. Oh, and Giano is being totally confused by Bishonen's instructions, so that's what I would call low level vandalism. Presumably, she doesn't want Giano to find IRC and therefore find out what she's been saying about him there. Granted, most of it was pretty pitiable and would make us all treat Giano better...considering all the handicaps she's described...but Giano can find the IRC room without trying to "find something called freenode." All he has to do is go to Wikipedia and type "WP:IRC" in the search field. Then he clicks on the FIRST of the channels mentioned, not the second, third, or fifth. Geogre 29 June 2005 23:33 (UTC)
I've just tried that look "The registration is a one time payment of US$20.00," I'm very poor with a wife and loads of kids to keep in school, not to mention numerous dependents, could you all have a whip round?. And for the information of anyine interested I only have one handicap and its 09. Giano | talk 30 June 2005 07:34 (UTC)
I quite understand about the dependants, maybe you could make an illegal copy of their mIRC? But I have discovered it is indeed not freeware, sorry for the bad info. (I suspect you may the only person in the whole channel who did pay for the program, though.) Bishonen | talk 30 June 2005 08:28 (UTC)
That's 'cause all us hardcore folks all use x-chat or so. (Ok so that isn't actually very hardcore.) It probably doesn't have a windows version, is that good? ;-) It *will* run on the mac though, I'm positive, just need to install that pesky X11 server thingy. Kim Bruning 30 June 2005 13:11 (UTC)
Well I'm not going to bother, because it sounds like a gossipy vitriolic place, I am one of those rare people who beleive if you can't say soething nice about somebody then best to say nothing at all - my maxim for life. Giano | talk 30 June 2005 13:16 (UTC)
Joseph Smith as a Prophet
Bishonen: I apologize for my rude remarks and multiple reversions on Joseph Smith as a Prophet (and have publically stated so on the talk page). Jgardner made what I thought was a good attempt at rebuilding the page with all arguments, but Gabrielsimon continues to delete major sections. His edit comments include things like "that's laughable", etc. Can the page be restored to something helpful and locked, or can Gabrielsimon be prevented from editing it?
Thanks for reconsidering! No, I can't do that, I'm afraid. Actually preventing somebody from editing an article, that's only done by the Arbitration Committee, and only after something much like court proceedings at WP:RFAR--not casually by any admin. I can protect the page, but only for a short while while differences are being worked out, and I'd like to avoid it. I have just posted a plea to GabrielSimon on the talk page. Some of his edits seem a little extreme, but as long as he's arguing for them in a reasonable way on talk, I'd rather not clobber the discussion with the big Protection Stick. Nobody can really delete any material, after all! It's all still there in the History, and easily restored. I hope it works out, and please take a look at the suggestion I make on the talk page. Bishonen | talk 29 June 2005 22:07 (UTC)
See it now, before it gets too big for the servers
The poetry section of Auggie is, believe it or not, just ready to start its concluding 2 paragraphs. The facts I had didn't want to conform to the thesis, and I couldn't leave them out, so I had to list them before I could get there. I'm pretty sure that Auggie won't be an FAC. Unlike the Rest lit., I won't nominate it. 100k is not an "overview" anymore. Geogre 30 June 2005 18:43 (UTC)
You know what it is? It's a draft of the book I'd write on the period, were anyone to ask me. I will have used up all the not-paper on the site, though. Geogre 30 June 2005 19:06 (UTC)
Ripe? Any longer, and the moment would be rotten. Geogre 2 July 2005 15:20 (UTC)
Ten hours later, well, gah! El_C 3 July 2005 14:41 (UTC)
English help
What's the English word that sounds like belie means when something gives a false impression, lastly does have a building have quoins or quoining, you will know the first (I hope) probably not the second 0- I hate this when I know what i wnt to say and can't find it written anywhere - sod! Giano | talk 1 July 2005 15:05 (UTC)
Put flowers on my grave
IT is done! (Except for a couple of pictures.) I think I'll let my mind go to sleep for a while now. Geogre 1 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)
Bish, I took the full text of the Augustan poetry section and slapped it into the Augustan poetry space. You can feel free to operate on the section in Auggie, but you don't need to do any grafting over. I.e. I did the paste, but none of the drainage. Geogre 2 July 2005 12:39 (UTC)
FURTHERMORE, there is now an Augustan drama article that is longer and better than the section in Auggie. In this case, I added new paragraphs on the end and set it up a little more. Anyway, I haven't gone through the post-surgical sections in Auggie yet. Still, it is possible that there isn't much surgery necessary on the section on drama, as they're not really duplicates. Geogre 3 July 2005 01:16 (UTC)
Images: Ok, Image:Garrick as RichardIII.png, as soon as it uploads (an eternity so far), is a very high res. version of the painting. Caution: viewing it all at once can cause system slow down. Coming soon (maybe by the time you see this) is Image:Twickenham.png a picture (b&w) of a watercolor done of Pope's grotto. Geogre 3 July 2005 19:01 (UTC) (Who else?)
Pamphlet
Reading my mind is like reading a pamphlet at the airport. Of course I FAC'd it! (I probably shouldn't have promised, but I didn't promise that no one else would nominate the others for FAC. I mean, I think the full Prose and Poetry articles are pretty fine, and the drama isn't bad.) (Let me be proud of myself for a little while. I don't get the opportunity much.) Geogre 4 July 2005 01:44 (UTC)
August etc.
So you were just the person with the secataires, that's good because it means you can go and vote for it - odd the things some people iron isn't it! Giano | talk 5 July 2005 12:27 (UTC)
Go ahead, make fun of my poor metaphor
That's right. It WAS hewn, with the adze of industrialism, the chisel of party politics, and the sledge of...of...science! (New 2nd par in auggie.) Geogre 5 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)
The sword of Protestantism? The... lightsabre of the bourgeoisie? Bishonen | talk 5 July 2005 20:53 (UTC)
Quarried by poets. Mortared by merchants. Fit by ministers. Geogre 5 July 2005 20:55 (UTC)
Como esta?
I checked in on IRC, and you weren't there, even dormant. I hope all is well. Geogre 7 July 2005 02:30 (UTC)
Me? Well, I apparently do have allergies. New doctor yesterday, who didn't hesitate to renew my meds. Trying to stop one of them. Aware of isolation, which is a side effect of not worrying about other things. Geogre 7 July 2005 12:07 (UTC)
Very, very strange, but the London attacks are bringing back 9/11 for me in a way that Madrid didn't. I don't know why, but it's affecting. Oh, and I wrote a couple of tiny articles: Hudibrastic and Huchoun. Geogre 7 July 2005 15:31 (UTC)
Thanks a million dollars! :-D -- Jerry Crimson Mann 8 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)
For entertainment purposes only: not actual scholarship
See the talk:Huchoun. I sure was being obscure with those abbreviations. Geogre 8 July 2005 14:09 (UTC)
Aw, little Hugh, how sweet! I think it's right to expand the MS and MSS—they're familiar more in medieval literature than in literature, don't you think? Bishonen | talk 8 July 2005 16:14 (UTC)
I hit them in textual criticism, in 18th c. stuff looking for things to edit, and in Biblical contexts. I thought they were commonplace. Also, I think I hit them just in reading 18th c. literature. In A Tale of a Tub, Swift has "hic multa dissideratur MSS" several places (where he has the Hack saying that he'll give all the reasons for this or that outlandish statement). It doesn't hurt to expand them, but all the medieval lit. articles are littered with the abbreviation. Geogre 8 July 2005 16:18 (UTC)
Well, I know they're commonplace in your world. Bishonen | talk 8 July 2005 16:21 (UTC)
Hello stranger
Thank you for looking after Mr Helvarg whenever my back was turned today. I knew that you would be seduced eventually by the appealling image of the little tyke splashing around in the swamps. Bless him. —Theo (Talk) 8 July 2005 23:50 (UTC)
Arghhh. Curse the little tyke! Bishonen | talk 9 July 2005 01:17 (UTC)
Well done!
Hi Bish, I see that you have moved many of the province articles. Well done! :).--Wiglaf 8 July 2005 23:53 (UTC)
Yup, on Peter Isotalo's request. I'll do the rest tomorrow, except a few that are complicated and require History merges. Good to get rid of the Skansen/Tacitus names, isn't it! Bishonen | talk 9 July 2005 01:17 (UTC)
Yes, there's something absurd about calling Halland Hallandia and Uppland Upplandia when no one ever calls them so and the Swedish names are much more transparent to an English speaker. I'll soon go through many of the linked pages and update them.--Wiglaf 9 July 2005 11:49 (UTC)
I dont get it
Yes, that was me, unfortunately
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Not one of my prouder moments on wikipedia, I'm afraid... johnk 9 July 2005 01:08 (UTC)
Well don't do it again or someone will whack you upside o' the head! hydnjotalk 9 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)
Hydnjo, you do realize that if that wasn't him, i. e. if John Kenney's account has been compromised, then that reply probably also isn't him? Bishonen | talk 9 July 2005 01:29 (UTC)
I suppose thats possible. "How will we ever know" seems like a song title. When I checked John's contributions they seemed legitimate. Do you have other evidence? hydnjotalk 9 July 2005 01:48 (UTC)
So what's the problem Mr Ms. Admin Sir? hydnjotalk 9 July 2005 03:08 (UTC)
Hydjno, I don't have any secrets to reveal, but if you activate your option to receive Wikipedia e-mail, I'd like to share a thought. Bishonen | talk 9 July 2005 10:23 (UTC)
Can you believe it? My writing style "sounds like 1911" now, and so that's a reason to object! WTF. Five in a row specifically note the pretty writing as a virtue, and one thinks it's a thing to object to. Geogre 9 July 2005 11:54 (UTC)
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User:Njyoder is getting into a rather large "discussion war" on Talk:Cold fusion (edit | [[Talk:Talk:Cold fusion|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). One of his more recent comments was: Then feel free to cite some instead of making a blind accusation. I've noticed you have a tendency to try to undermine my credibility and contribute nothing of value to the discussion. I won't be suprised if you can't cite any, because you know they'd easily get shot down.
I noticed that there was an arbitration request that went against him, and wanted to know what should be done (I'm involved, so I probably shouldn't take any action). At the very least you might want to keep an eye on the page, as it is getting out of control fast. --brian0918™00:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Brian. No, I don't think you should take any action, or me either ATM, as I don't see Njyoder violating his injunctions. That "a tendency to... contribute nothing of value" is rude, I agree, and certainly unnecessarily personal—he ought to be discussing content, not people's "tendencies"!—but calling it a personal attack might be a bit strong. But I'll keep an eye on the page, sure. I'm pretty sure some admins are already keeping an eye on the user. Bishonen | talk02:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Interregnum literature
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Can you do the Interregnum? I'd be useless at it. BTW, I read the 1911 on Swift. It's not as bad as the usual 1911, but it still has pontification about his erroneous politics and blatant misanthropy. He failed to have the true love of a patriot, it said, for he hated vice without loving truth. How about Sensibility? I can't do that, either. I could do Romantics, but it's already done well enough, and, while I know great amounts about it, I don't know the history in its minutia the way I do my own period. Without Reform Bill and Napoleon, which are both just nouns to me, any article on the Romantics is silly stuff. Geogre16:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, no, sorry. I'm here for the pleasure principle, I will not start a Wikipedia guilt list. So I won't undertake the Interregnum. Possibly one day I'll just do it, if you haven't guilted yourself into it first, but that's different. Hmm, I wonder if I should do Delicacy? (Currently a redirect to List of delicacies. :-) ) I'd kind of like to do an abstract quality, a one-word name. Delicacy is the key concept in Clarissa. But I'd have to read several books for that. Bishonen | talk17:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Decorum redirects to Etiquette now. How about just reading some Spectators and a little Johnson and doing "fancy" or "wit" or "imagination?" They could all benefit from a write up of the rationalist scheme. Geogre20:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
please check
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this talk page Talk:Skåne, I suspect you don't have it on your watchlist, I would prefer to have a discussion there. i am sceptical about the move of pages from english names to swedish, and question why you didn't ask anywhere instead of just following a request by a power-tripping peter isotalo?
All the best, --Fred-Chess 10:13, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
A squirrel was just walking along, and I threw some bread at it (from the 2nd floor). It didn't even stop to think about it, not a moment of hesitation, attempting to come to terms with bread falling from the sky (and note, significantly, than I have no memory of that particular squirrel), started munching. It still is munching, right now, as we speak. Above is a pic of another squirrel munching. El_C10:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Be very afraid. The trustfulness of squirrels is a fine quality, but do not emulate it when you're in Bishzilla couontry! Bishonen | talk12:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Drama mine
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Thank you for the sandwich. I could barely open my mouth wide enough to take in both loaves and the wheel of cheese at the same time. Since I just ate at Mary's Kitchen (why isn't there a wikipedia article on it? it affects hundreds of lives, and it's an old building, and notability isn't in the deletion guidelines), that was a nice supplement. My goal in the Augustan drama article is to explain why "there was no drama in the Augustan period." What I like about the article is that I think I present the case so that readers understand very well why no one studies Augustan drama, why there "wasn't any." At least I satisfied my own curiosity on the subject. Geogre16:51, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Is it more "dramatic?" Is it an explanation you've heard before? I thought combining the spectacle wars with the censorship, economics and politics, did a great job of explaining why the theater would stink in the era. No one's going to study any of Cibber's spectacles or Rich's pantomimes in a literature class. Geogre00:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Refs
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Impossible! I go to look for "spectacle 18th century," and I come across a number of sites. Everyone mentions it. No one actually discusses it. Staging sites are potentially useful, but they're all "under construction" for the last few years. Then I go to look for "Addison Cato" to document what we all know about it, and things are fishy as a sailor's net: all the sites are either a) American libertarians or b) Objectivists or c) both. What they say is useful, but heck if I'm going to cite one of those hare brains. I'll have to do the research on Questia or not at all. The web is useless on out of the way subjects like this. Geogre14:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
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Thanks for the heads up on the Peer Review/Review for Comment, and double thanks for moving it for me. I'd only had a few brief moments on wiki since you posted and hadn't had time to make the move myself.Shsilver14:54, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia!
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You were very helpful last time I was blocked from contributing due to the ongoing AOL IP multiple user problem. Looks like, from Jwrosenzweig's talk page, that this vandal is or may be permanently blocked. During the previous incident (please see my talk page), you and other admins decided that the IP number should not be blocked for any length of time. Could you intervene and see if a permanent solution to this issue could be found? Thanks for you help. WBardwin07:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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I'm on the Main page today!
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This time it put the bread in its mouth, climbed up a tree onto a really tall branch, and munched it there! What do I win? El_C23:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Oh, cool tidings. And I see he's called Kurre, that's got to mean he's a Swede. You win, hmm... these delicious lemon meringue muffins! Bishonen | talk00:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey! Hej!
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Delightful to be here, indeed! Glad to see that you're still working hard on the literature topics. I just stopped by to read an article and decided to make a few innocent edits. Suddenly I feel a strong force pulling me towards the Village Pump. :-). No, I think I'll keep it casual this time. But it's nice to see that everything has remained as I left it (give or take 125 000 articles). GNAA on VfD again, CSD still being voted on, no consensus on what type of images to use where :).
I'm actually living in california right now, doing a software engineering internship at Apple. Love it here...Wouldn't come back in the autumn if I had the option (i.e. a permanent visa). I dislike a whole lot about the U.S., and fancy most things about Sweden, but there is just something about this company :). — David Remahl00:52, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
George Powell
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Thanks! On a related note, how about putting your other classic-era English theatre articles out in Wikispace? I referenced one of your user subpages for the George Powell article since it had related information in it, but didn't really feel comfortable doing so. The two I've seen look really good so far. Unfocused20:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
YAP
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Magisterial, eh? I love any opportunity for channeling my inner gasbag. I can't contribute much more than a "what they said", though. JRM · Talk11:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
An image for you
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Hogarth's 1733 Southwark Fair detail.
Here are notes on this detail:
Detail information, from Shesgreen, Sean. Engravings by Hogarth: 101 Prints. New York: Dover Publications, 1975. Page/plate 27.
"In 'Southwark Fair' Hogarth plays on the incongruities between the high and low, the sublime and the ridiculous that appear in the scene. Exalted forms of art and entertainment (or what pass for these), many of them employng mythic subject matter, are being performed literally above the heads of the crowd. On the ground scenes from common life take place along with entertainments of a criminal or firvolous nature. At several pooints the high and the low mingle in a chaotic human circus.
"At the extreme left the stage collapses (in a pun on the play, The Fall of Bajazet), heaving earthward, with complete loss of dignity, a company of regally costumed players who include the famous Cibber and Bullock. They fall into a china shop and onto a dice player and a gambler who are too engaged in a dispute to hear the warning of the latter's child.
"The showcloth below the terrified monkey, 'The Stage Mutiny,' is a copy of a print by John Laguerre. It portrays a rift in the Drury Lane theatre that occurred after it was taken over by John Highmore, a gentleman turned amateur actor and director. Under the banner 'We'l Starve em out,' Highmore, who had bought control of the theater, points to a scroll reading 'it Cost L6000.' On his side are the company's scene painer, part-owner Mrs. Wilks (in mourning) and her daughter. Between the opposing factions hangs a monkey, Highmore's surrogate, protesting, 'I am a Genleman.' Under the banners 'Liberty & property' and 'We eat,' Theophilus Cibber ('Pistol's alive') and the bulk of the actors advance on the owners. Colly Cibber, who has sold his shares to Highmore, sits apart from the fray, 'Quiet and Snug,' with a money bag on his lap. The showcloth for a freak show below this one advertises the presence of a giant."
Message below pasted from discreet placement on User:Bishonen/Welcomes to where it belongs, i. e. this page.
New Welcome
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Hey, Bishonen, there's this site called Wikipedia. I'm on it, like, all the time. You should check it out. It's kind of addictive, though, so don't edit articles, or you'll get hooked. It has this amazing ability to seem perfectible, even though it isn't, so you get suckered into continually thinking that you can make a difference, get rid of the bad, and supply the good. When you find out that the bad is like an ocean tide and that the good is like a towel under the door, you'll probably storm off. However, you end up coming back, thinking that you'll "just" do this or that, and that it'll be ok. Pretty soon, you find yourself trying to swap towels and run the drier. It's this cycle, until you realize that it's not perfectible, and you decide to just try to keep the old set of family photos dry or try to throw a life preserver to people you see out there who don't have boats. Anyway, so that's my welcome. Geogre12:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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Thanks, babe. keep in mind that the person posting the copyrighted stuff, is probably someone in advertisement or marketing, which means they are impervious to instructions such as "how to submit an article" or "please do not submit copyrighted material". That kind of people do not bother to check wikipedia more than once a day, maybe every two or four days. So, blocking them for an hour won't do much good, but thanks, anyway :) Project2501a20:38, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Dorsal Finn Gardens
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I tried to comment on the talk page of the article, but it didn't work. Hideous ideology? Charles Killigrew? I thought it was Thomas, but I don't know. Geogre17:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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Delighted to see even after a huge surge of recent editing by all and sundry, the palace's luxurious fitments still remain. Giano | talk21:17, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Nice little page, I like the pictures, and have always been interested in gardening. Why Dorset though? Giano | talk14:05, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Bah, you silly man. Have you by any chance got, or do you know of, any books with nice *old* illustrations relevant to late 17th c theatre design, that I could scan and nick? I have access to plenty of good diagrams of modern reconstructions and toy models, but of course those are copyright. This is a famous section of perhaps Drury Lane by perhaps Wren, but unfortunately Drury Lane isn't that interesting for my purposes, I want Dorset Garden preferably. And drawings of the flying machines! French and Italian theatres of the right period also of interest. Bishonen | talk14:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
As a matter of fact (in spite of your rudeness) I do happen to have an engraving of Elkanah Settle's Empress of Morocco being performed at The Duke's Theatre in 1673. I might consider uploading it for you were you to grovel sufficiently Giano | talk15:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I've just found a backshutter picture by Inigo Jones, with a picture of a city for Davenant's siege of Rhodes 1656, is that any good, its probably already on the internet too, I'll have a look. Giano | talk15:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Stop it, you're making me cry! Yeah, those Empress of Morrocco piccies are all over the place. Not only did I upload that one, but Geogre has recently uploaded a much superior scan, that he did himself from a book. But I do indeed, very much, want the Siege of Rhodes image! The original drawings for all of the Siege of Rhodes sets are supposed to be extant, according to a dissertation I'm reading, and I've begged Google to divulge web versions of them, without any luck. Haven't found any books, either. Gimme gimme gimme! Bishonen | talk16:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Regarding your sarcastic edit summary: Yes I did see it, but I feel my prose to be superior, capturing the essence and spirit of that golden age of literature which has alway so inspired me, why I remember as a small child at school high in the Sicilian mountains, we children used to sing that glorious opera, with the bleating of the goats joining us during the chorus - Oh I can hear it now as as we rode our goats convincingly disguised as camels, through the olive groves, infront of the makeshift pyramids as poor old Don Watsit was tortured by the inquisition - Oh happy days
Oh please do what you like, I am far too busy creating new pages, improving my fadabulous new R A Lawson page, and generally being very important indeed to concern myself with small adminastrative details. I'll come back to dear little Dorset Garden later, I've quite a few ideas to implement there, just asoon as I can fit it in. Giano | talk17:21, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
#4
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Ok, I put a couple of questions on the talk page. Also, though, I was going to point out, and this is gassy in that charming way that my comments can be gassy, that the image I sent you from "Southwark Fair" shows the Revolt of the Theatres, right? Well, the rich man who bought out Covent Garden is supported by the scene painter. N.b. today a scene painter would never rate highly enough to be depicted as one of the principal and vital personages in a theater revolt. The fact that she was then shows what you're talking about in the article. If you want me to scan and crop down to just the show cloth from the Hogarth print, I can. Geogre17:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
From up the page somewhat: "On his side are the company's scene painer, part-owner Mrs. Wilks (in mourning) and her daughter." Geogre18:00, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Scene painters
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Good idea, taking an IRC break. IRC is a disease, not a protocol, and it is the enemy of writing articles. It's also an invitation to every block battle and pogrom Wikipedia has. This is one of the reasons I go for very short visits. The other reason, the reason why I go at all, is just boredom and despair. Geogre18:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the Elias shots
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Thanks for the pictures for Elias. Scans of (sufficiently) old books and prints definitely fall under Bridgeman, or at least that's been my assumption. Anyway, to tell you the truth, I was starting to get a little bit nervous about the old "firestorm of indifference" over the FAC, but then again the whole thing always wigs me out more than it should. PRiis22:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Ha ha, you take these things too seriously, remember it's only the Internet! There are some real copyright hawks watching FAC, so my feeling was that by saying what I did out there, in full view of the basilisks, we might finally find out what the latest official policy is on image copyright. It's been discussed a lot on the mailing list recently, and I've been a bit surprised at what a lot of arguments it's possible to make against the Bridgeman principle. It shouldn't do any harm to old Elias, at least—if he gets uncomfortably hot, you can always just remove them! Bookcovers are a bit of a counsel of desperation, anyway—not quite the most fascinating illustrations in the world. Still, there's a nice bit of text on the Theatrum—"faithfully" collected!—and I like the way it's pink, too. Bishonen | talk23:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
It does seem like FAC is all about pictures now. I'll try to take it all with a giant block of salt. PRiis00:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey, by the way, when you were at the U Penn site looking at that book, did you get a chance to satisfy your curiosity about alchemical poems? PRiis00:11, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Nah—actually, just now I got told that I don't have access to the site! Google image search apparently functioned as a wormhole. :-) Bishonen | talk11:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
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Hi, there would be needed a copyediting on the page to get away with the 1911 Encyclopaedia markup. Would you find it interesting? --Fred-Chess 07:40, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Sure. I had a lot of trouble with both the servers and my browser, and was glad to be able to save anything at all—I may return later. Bishonen | talk11:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Goatsmanship
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Ah, I see you have discovered the ne plus ultra of Baroque-era musicology, the little known, and long-kept-secret Sicilian goat-riding school of opera composition, singing, and skulduggery. Very entertaining reading indeed :-)! Antandrus (talk)15:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Yes, absolutely! I'm not an expert on 17th-century English stage music--I'm really just B+ there--but I have some good books in my library I can curl up with (and it's so beautiful outside ... I'm such a nerd ... ) Antandrus (talk)16:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Important Poll
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This is so that the little yellow box appears and you note that I'm fixing to put some pictures up in the talk space of the article that you're working on -- pictures that should be removed very quickly. I would merely like for you to express an opinion on which of the four pictures I should use. They're all rather difficult to look at, but people have been suggesting that they're necessary for a long time now. Since I'm the only Wikipedian to have access to them, I've finally given in. Geogre19:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
You are correct. I only used your edit as the easiest way to highlight the user's comments, not to imply that you were a participant in a revert war. The difference between user:Func's edits and mine is minor but, I think, significant. Func removed all traces of the comments and provided no reason or alternative location where the complaint should be made. In doing so, he/she gave the impression that the edit was made as an objection to the speech itself and reinforced the anon's claims of "censorship". Your edit, in contrast, clearly documented that comments had been removed and cited an appropriate policy. While reasonable people could disagree with whether or how the policy should have been applied, it was much harder for the anon to make the claim of "censorship". (See Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks/Temp for a proposed modification of the guideline which standardizes your approach as the preferred method of redacting personal attacks.) I thought that my approach would "stick" where Func's had not because I also was citing an established rule and attempting to establish that "censorship" had no part in the motivation. Obviously, my approach also backfired. Rossami(talk)
Obviously, your approach was not (very far from) well thought-out, and sadly, I find it so remains. El_C13:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Good afternoon, Bishonen. Thank you for your articulate reply. Unfortunately, we are still talking at cross-purposes, neither I think hearing what the other is trying to say. You ask some interesting questions that we could continue to discuss theoretically but I don't believe that it would change anything at this point. Since this continuing discussion is raising my stress level to no productive end, I have taken the step of purging the discussion off my Talk page. I apologize if what I said or did appeared insensitive. That was not my intent.
Let me also add that I sincerely appreciate your attempt to communicate your point of view politely and without personal attacks. That was not universally true. Rossami(talk)20:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Apparently we were typing at the same time. My edit summary was not instigated by your comments. Rossami
Please do not refer to Cecila as smelly, she is in fact a very rare Sicilian reindeer-goat, a breed which I am planning to make into a featured article over next Christmas. You are obviously (and I understand this, cos' I am understanding kind person) very bitter, twisted and envious that my beautiful page has sailed through FA, and is now in the valhalla for pages, where I shall too no doubt be. Please continue with you wonderfull eforts on behalf of the projects, they are all, in there small way, sometimes quite good; but remember do not be afraid to ask, even famous editors like me (when we have time) are happy to help those less fortunate and gifted. God bless my child Giano | talk18:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
My Dear Child,
While you are thinking up witicisms in a foreign language, I am creating another "piece de resistance" The Siege of Rhodes please note the rather nice shade of blue. Civil greetings from Giano | talk19:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
What's the name of that horrible opera I saw a couple of years ago about a man who was apparently an English King, anyway he met a very unpleasant end (or so it appeared) and all his friends (and enemies) wore leather. Mrs. Giano explained while driving (it was rather a good picnic!) home he was in fact being buggered, which probably explains the horrible singing. Well I'll think I'll do that one next! And have you checked that water bowl, I suppose you haven't - I shall have to bring her home, isn't she lovely though. Giano | talk21:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
You worried me, perhaps I had immagined it, no one's immagination is that vivid and warped, so I phoned Mrs Giano (who likes that sort of thing) and apparently it was a ballet - but she's not surprised I have hazy memories! Giano | talk22:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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This place is not the same without Fil. I am trying to fill my empty life by revisiting the first full article that I wrote here and taking it up to FA quality. As with Helvarg, it was a subject of which I knew nothing before I started. As with Helvarg, I am confident about the research but less so about the structure. When you have finished grooming Giano's goat, could you cast your savageacute eye over Ted Radcliffe? He has been on Peer Reveiew for a few days but the comments have now dried without me feeling that he is quite up to the mark. —Theo (Talk)14:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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I just left this same word over at Geogre's talk page. The more admins, the merrier. I've been going round and round with two rather contentious users as of late who are either one and the same or working in cahoots. They are rude, their edit summaries are even ruder and I for one feel they need some talking to. They are User:Mirror Vax and User:Sherurcij. That last one in particular has been hanging stub notices off of vandal bot entries and leaving the rudest edit summaries you've ever read. The first guy just has a bad attitude in general. Never heard of him before he flamed my talk page. Can you help? - Lucky 6.921:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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Did you see the invisible paragraph I put into the article re Dennis? I know you're not using it, and that's ok, but you did see it, didn't you? Geogre22:39, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Oh, sheesh, you guys, I'm starting to hyperventilate here. I was just beginning to slow down for the night! I did see it, I am using it, I like it—that is, I don't think I have room for the Dennis anecdote, I'm trying desperately to shorten the whole thing, but I love your stuff about trade secrets, I'm definitely gonna put it in! Please, Geogre, you check your messages also! Bishonen | talk22:59, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I had, but, well, no, I wasn't looking for a project. Instead, I kind of thought that I was bringing stuff up. Nevermind. Anyway, I thought I'd hinted rather broadly. A telescoping of John Dennis could do the trick, you know? ("One reason we lack information is that stage machines were trade secrets. As such, the houses were zealously guarding their techniques, and John Dennis's comment on "steal(ing) my thunder" shows us that machines would remain closely held information in the theater for long after the era of the Machine House." That's what I mean by telescoping -- a way of dropping in the definite information we have (prob. in the John Dennis article) in a place where we wish we had information and allowing the known to imply the unknown. It's totally honest, but a rhetorical trick. (And I either explain too much, like this, or be cryptic, I suppose.)) Geogre23:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
(Not a project, just a stub for the redlink!) But that would mean a sentence you can't understand until after you click on a link? Unless you already know about Dennis, which is kind of remote. I do have a prejudice against them. I try—prolly fail—to make it so the reader who just wants to read straight through is able to follow the thread. (Well, unless they're grossly generally ignorant, then I can't help it.) Bishonen | talk00:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
(I won't write a stub. Seriously, it gives me the hives to think of writing only what I can off my head for some of those. They'd have to be researched.) I still think that it's possible to telescope and not destroy the historical integrity of your article, partly because Dennis's comment is so strong, so clear, and so striking. His comment is extremely effective for a reader who doesn't appreciate the topic in communicating the stakes, and there isn't anything else we can lay our hands on easily that communicates so strongly. Anyway, this is not an argument, just an explanation. Never mind.
Yeodlee Yeodlee Oh ho
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Ingredients:
.5 cup butter
1 cup sugar
2 eggs
2 cups sifted cake flour
2 teaspoons baking powder
.5 teaspoon of salt
1 teaspoon vanilla
.75 cup of milk
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.
Cream the butter very well, adding the sugar gradually, and cream until fluffy.
If mixing by hand, beat in the eggs one at a time; else put them all in.
Add the vanilla to the milk.
Sift the flour with the baking powder and salt.
Add the flour and the milk, alternatingly, and fold (not beat) into batter.
Turn the mixture into either
two greased (with butter for best results, but with whatever you've got if you don't feel like it) and floured 8" or 9" layer cake pans or
a single 10" x 13" x 2" sheet cake pan or
a single bundt pan (what I used).
Bake at 350 degrees for about 25 minutes, if you're doing two pans, or 35 minutes, for a single pan.
The cake will pull away from the pan edges when done, or you can push down with your finger in the center of the cake and see it spring back to test for doneness. Let the cake cool on a wire rack, and frost it when done. My frosting was a caramel frosting that is a bit more like a glaze than a true frosting, but it's absolutely fantastic. Geogre13:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. What's "vanilla"? Vanilla sugar? There's one regular and one turbo vanilla sugar at the store, there are also vanilla pods. What's cake flour? Don't know what a bundt pan is, but I'll use my wit on that one. Cream until fluffy, hmm. I love those instructions to do something "until" SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. You know, "bake until golden brown". Yeah, right, that'll be the day the cows come home. Anyway, thanks, I'll try it. Bishonen | talk14:30, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Chocolate bundt cake. Uh, really, all that? I've got an idea, how about you guys bake it and send it to me airmail? Bishonen
That's exactly right! :-) As for the rest, umm, use lightly salted butter, and butter counts (not margarine). With the milk, you're better off with whole milk than skimmed milk, but 2% milkfat is ok. Just don't drop the milkfat content lower than that, or it doesn't give the happiness molecules anything to bond onto. (It's going to trun lightly brown. The big thing is to remember that dark pans reduce baking time, and shiny pans increase it. Also, I really recommend using a fingerful or two of butter to rub all over the inside of the pan. You can also use confectioner's sugar (powdered sugar) instead of flour, esp. if you're not planning to frost the cake. If you don't frost it, apply some confectioner's sugar to the pan atop the butter you put down, and then top the cake with hand-made whipped cream with sugar and then dash lots of grated fuit or cinamon on top.) Geogre16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC) the master baker.
Ugh! Dreadful picture of a bundt cake pan. Try This at Commons, which shows the pans without so much cake in them. Besides, my cake will behave itself and not overflow. Geogre17:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
That's not a pan in the picture, it's a cake. No no, I've got some pans like those, doesn't everybody..? I want cakes by airmail! No pans! Cakes! Cakes..! Cakes... (voice trailing off desolately). Some cakes, please, Geogre? Bishonen | talk17:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
As if a cake of mine would ever last long enough to get to the post office! Do I look like someone who gives up his cakes? I brought a half a cake to work this week, and it was gone before the end of the day, and this is with only 3 employees knowing of its existence. Instead of telling all their friends about it, they kept it secret. Geogre18:24, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
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I must say you have one of the most amusing talk pages on Wikipedia! Alas, I've been busy at work this week (and wisely have no IRC installed on my computer here ... in fact I've been avoiding IRC in general as rather a large unproductive time-suck) but I'd be happy to visit you there sometime relatively soon. Article is looking good! I can add a bit about music at some point ... certainly about Grabu et al. And that picture is making me hungry! Antandrus (talk)22:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad you like the article. And this page! Yeah, I have some very funny friends, in every sense of the word. That's fine about the accompaniment, no hurry. (Well, unless you want in on the FAC glory, because I'm thinking of nominating it there, maybe before I go on vacation in a few days. On the other hand, I should be around to answer objections...hmm, I guess I haven't made up my mind about when.) Giano fetched the goats himself, I think he got worried I wasn't taking good care of them. He's always on my case about water bowls and stuff. Thanks for reverting my userpage! Bishonen | talk00:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Administrator's notice board
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"Irrelevant to this page" might be a good policy to cite for removing them. I mean, honestly, what are they even doing there? What have they got to do with "coordinating and discussing administrative tasks on Wikipedia" ? I'm always removing posts at peer review that don't live up to the prominently posted instructions for using the page, why wouldn't we do the same here?
Thanks. Unless there's an outcry pretty soon—when the US wakes up—I'm planning to edit the instructions at the top of both the noticeboards to reflect a "remove irrelevant threads" page policy. Maybe creating a special section right here on this page for anonymous "You Jew-lover bitch whore" comments would be useful, too. ;-) Bishonen | talk12:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
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Ok, I've just muddied up your article good. I know this seems obvious, but what is the title of the article? I do think it's about FAC, and, as I said on my own, the music stuff can even be a distraction, depending on what the topic is and how narrowly you want to define it. Geogre18:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Ok. I still think that a tiny bit saying that it doesn't end is a good thing. If you disagree, cut it. Like I said in the paragraph, it mutated, changed, clipped, etc., but the seeds were sown and cultivated in this era. I thought that was fair and not distracting. Yes, though, I do think it's FA. (If I'm inconsistent, note the Geogre of the Day. I'm barely vertical.) Geogre19:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
More about why I did it, and why I was hesitant before, on the article's talk page. You will blank the talk page before putting it into real space, won't you? Geogre03:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
If I put into the article space at all, I suppose so, sure. I'm not sure about doing that. Like I said (before you lengthened it) it's too long. Look in the history how hard I've been trying to get it a reasonable size, the kind of size article that I would even want to begin to read, if it was me. I feel rather deflated, I don't want to FAC it anymore. I'll be away from the computer next week anyway. Bishonen | talk03:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
RfCs II
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Why are you reverting old warnings to User talk:67.18.109.218? He's obviously read them. They've served their purpose. Why can't he now have control over his own user page so long as he does not post anything which violates Wikipedia policy?--Heathcliff01:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Multimedia
I greatly appreciate your tactfulness in pointing out that my edit was intrusive. I apologize. Of course I wear the newbie "cloak of no blame", but while that's an explanation it's perhaps not an excuse. Point taken. Thank you.
As to the word at issue, I can well imagine that your sources constructed a use context that let the word work well for them. Your sense of the word is now formed by that. Problem is, I do not have the benefit of that exposure, nor will most of the article's readers. I was only drawn to make the point because you write very well and I felt that word as a distinct "bump" in an otherwise well paved road.
As to the title, I like your suggestion fine. But do you have to worry about getting search terms into the title? I don't understand the searchability issues.
Again, thank you for your kind forbearance. Johanus 18:30, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Innovatively
Permit me a final point in defense of my suggested phrase. "Innovatively" is in no way redundant with respect to "first time" later in the sentence. The word characterizes an enterprise as having been done "creatively" with no implication of its place in a possible temporal sequence. Thus this stuff might have been innovatively employed not just initially, but intermittantly, reliably, chronically, tediously, constantly, etc. Best regards, Johanus 19:59, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Excellent! Best wishes, Johanus 18:04, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Squirrels and wrath
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I have no objections. Go ahead. Joyous (talk) 04:47, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
I did notice that the angry rodent's message changed. Ok still means ok. Joyous (talk) 04:52, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
(Oh, are they rodents, really?) Their "ok", I meant. I'm hoping the second message means they've reformed, but if not, I will go ahead. Bishonen | talk04:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, I do not think that you need to talk to me if you do not like Foamy. However, squirrels will be here much longer than us because they don't destroy the world like we do. Humans are going to bring the beauty of the Earth down and I do not believe you care. So I will no longer talk about Foamy or his Wrath around you, Bitchonen, just mind your business.
Only my friends call me that. Blocked 24 hours for disruption, permablock next time Foamy gets into an article. Bishonen | talk05:16, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
FA
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Someone wants to know what categories it should be in, would you like me to place it for you in some, Italian architects is always seeking new members, and there's all that talk of animals Cecilia and her friends would welcome it in "Goats", just say the word and I'll respond! Giano | talk14:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
If only it didn't take half an hour to even say the word...! I can hardly edit at all, while the people in the US apparently are saving and navigating without trouble (this is the word on IRC). All on account of "the squids (?) in France", is what they usually tell you when that happens. Stick those in your menagerie. No, don't bother, thanks, I'm trying to respond to Nixie myself, to explain that it should be in "Restoration drama" and "British drama". I did go to put it in those cats before FACing it last night, but despaired when I saw what a mess Pcpcpc had made of the whole cat family. :-( Bishonen | talk15:09, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
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Your off on happy holidays, I'm editing from departures, on my way back for another week's grind with my pick-axe in the heat and the dust, a maniac is plastering templates everywhere, and you have a page on FA, but don't you worry! we can all cope, what's extra work to me, never mind my stress levels - you just enjoy yourself, don't worry about the goat (I'm taking her back, you've neglected her!!!). Hope it snows! Don't be surprised if I'm not here when you finaly return - I have a life too - Oh yes I do! Giano | talk21:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
How can I beat that? A most relaxing (possibly productive) and fun holidays to you, Bish (that's an order not a request, btw). All the best, El_C04:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, Giano and El C! It is a beautiful thing to see the master of insult and the master of courtesy work together to produce that combo. You guys are both artists. And thanks are due to Giano for collecting Smelly the Goat! --Bishonen | talk19:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Passive-aggressive
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I daresay you're not doing it on purpose. But you do it quite often. I realise I am opening myself up to some "aggressive bullshit" (my apologies for mischaracterising your unpleasantness in that instance) by saying it but I do think you're a much better contributor outside the Wikipedia: namespace than you are in it. Grace Note06:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
AOL and user blocks: ongoing pattern.
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Just FYI -- and because of your courtesy in the past. Below is a copy of my note to Inter regarding yet another block on my AOL/IP number (due to vandalism by other users assigned that number). Although the note below indicated the admin's had researched and placed the number on "the list," Inter is not aware of it. Appreciate any followup possible. Thank you. WBardwin19:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
User:Inter: I believe there was already research done on that IP number and that it was decided by User:JRM to put the number on "the list." Below is a copy of a discussion taken from my User File - User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection. I would appreciate a followup, if the number was ultimately not listed as indicated here. I will copy this message to JRM as well. Thank you for your help. WBardwin19:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
"Jayjg, Linuxbeak had blocked 207.200.116.132 and WBardwin wrote a message on User talk:Linuxbeak. I noticed it—I'm watching the pages because Linux is doing some heavy vandal-fighting—and unblocked the IP shortly afterwards, say 20:15 UTC. I interfered because I figured Linux might be gone for the weekend, as he hasn't been editing, and WBardwin and maybe others too would have an unconscionable wait. Perhaps you checked for the block after I'd already removed it? I was a little uncertain, since the range wasn't listed on Special:Blockip, but I checked with JRM on IRC and he told me to go ahead and unblock (and then he put the range on the list, too). Thanks for your patience, WBardwin. I bet it is an annoyance! :-( Bishonen | talk 21:53, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)"
"The IP mentioned is an AOL cache proxy and should not be blocked for any length of time. I did some probing in the range and it seems to be wholly or mostly comprised of caches, so I added the range to the exclusion list. We can always narrow it down if that should be necessary, but better safe than sorry. JRM · Talk 22:31, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)"
Photo score
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See, what I did was get those pictures, employ them in Augustan drama, and increase the section there on "Spectacle" to explicitly link to your now-promoted Featured Article, Restoration spectacular, and redesign that a bit. If, upon the days to come, I were to break my vow, my weakest knowledge would be the article I'd see nominated for FAC first, Augustan drama. In a way, it's because the subject has much to teach me and the field is so barren that I've worked on that one particular article most of the old subpages. Geogre17:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
A very special award
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A lot of people have been complaining, so I figured it was time for all the rouge administrators to be identified. Therefore, take this and share it appropriately (or inappropriately).
Geogre17:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
This award designates that this administrator is suspected of being a Rouge Administrator. Caveat lector.
My only concern is that folks from Italy may be less amused by the choice of graphic than I would hope. After all, the actual Red Brigades did some rather nasty stuff. The natural pun was "Admin Rouge" and to adapt the logo/banner from the Khmer Rouge, but that would have been unquestionably offensive. Anyway, having Photoshopped an ensign, I thought of having the Association of Rouge Administrators on Meta, since everyone has to have an association on meta (it's in the project bylaws) that they belong to whose aims are contrary to the rest of the project's. I even thought that, for fun, the text of said page could be ROT-13. Then I figured, "What the hell. I'm just one guy, and the joke'll be long dead in a few days. Besides, there is a penalty for continually performing CPR on horses." Geogre14:33, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah... I'm sort of here. Just to vote for FM and Lucky, that's all. I'm not any too happy about your good friend on vacation ascribing good faith to my adversary and bad faith to me. That's required by policy, really? I sent her an e-mail, but am not seriously expecting an answer. She has never replied to any of the 3--4 e-mails I've sent her on various issues, spread over the time I've been here. But if you're actually dancing, ok, I'm glad I looked in! :-) Bishonen | talk08:24, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
YASE! I'm not sure I'm entirely following you, but am very glad to see you! :) Treading lightly in waters deep (& still dancin'), yours always, El_C08:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Rationized or otherwise (I'll say this a third time) tis really nice to see you, in any capacity! Not too bad, thanks. I'm passed the critical 1/3 of recovery time. T'has been rough, though, esp. the first week and a half. El_C09:25, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
"El C"? Lemme think about that one. There's a few simple and embarrassing explanations for the other thing: stupidity, hurry, tunnel vision. Didn't see the list, didn't see ya! Bishonen | talk17:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
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