User talk:Black Kite/Archive 79

ITN recognition for Dave Greenfield

On 5 May 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Dave Greenfield, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. ~~~~

Arbery

Why have you blocked me from editing the 'Shooting of Ahmaud Arbery' talk page? What I added to the discussion was relevant and not vandalism at all. Feel free to redact what was wrong with it or take a moment to explain to me why.Basilcivil (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

• I haven't blocked you, I blocked an IP address who added that section for the 3rd time after you added it twice, and it had been removed twice by two different editors who pointed out that it was a BLP problem. Although if you had logged in and added it for a 3rd time, I would have blocked you anyway. Black Kite (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I added it after reading your 'BLP issues' section (which you asked me to do) in which you said editors were 'sailing very close to BLP violations' to which I thought you meant that, and not that I had had violated it. It is a Talk page and I am an editor discussing the article, I added a new source and a new point of view, if you disagree with what I said then please reply with how you disagree with it, I don't see why you needed to block my IP. I readded it on another device on which I was not signed in, I dont think that is relevant to the general point I am making. Basilcivil (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

So you hadn't noticed that it had already been removed twice, with both removing editors leaving edit summaries saying "BLP problem"? Black Kite (talk) 18:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, I concede. I would have liked feedback on what was in violation, and I hope it wasn't just adding new sources or my opinion of the current slant of the article. Talk pages IMO should be freer to discuss what narratives their are. If information itself is not BLP, surely someone like you with your experience could think of a way to format the article so it can be added. Basilcivil (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm just acting as an admin here, so I won't be taking sides on what can and cannot be added, as long as it conforms to policy. However as you do seem to understand the problem now, I will unblock the IP. Black Kite (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Any comment?

Hello Black Kite, in case my ping didn't get through, have you seen this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Chrisvacc. It's waiting for a behavioral evidence review. starship.paint (talk) 00:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Phil May (singer)

On 16 May 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Phil May (singer), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. qedk (t 愛 c) 11:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tara Reade

Unfortunately you have acceded to the forces that wish to censor wikipedia. You have given them encouragement and precedent to do it more. Trackinfo (talk) 22:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

• You'll have to take that up with the people that commented on the AfD - I merely closed it. If you disagree with the close you are quite welcome to dispute it at WP:DRV. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I was your decision. You could have read the comments, pro and con and come to a different, proper decision. It was not a snowball, it was quite close. You chose to give weight to one side and ignore the other side. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. But your actions are now part of what is becoming a snowball of censorship that will be the downfall of the usefulness of wikipedia, because it can now be controlled by forces of propaganda. Trackinfo (talk) 01:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oh, I see the problem now; it's censorship and propaganda because you don't agree with it. FYI I am not American and could not care less about political squabbling over there, and as I said, you may take your conspiracy theories to WP:DRV. Black Kite (talk) 01:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

What I see is every time a legitimate story is durogetory to one faction or another faction, it is swarmed by partisans trying to hide it. Not just this article, most. Each time we give credence to these arguments, each time an article is deleted, we are allowing wikipedia to get censored. You encourage these political factions to hire operatives to do it more. I said it then, in the arguments you should have read. Trackinfo (talk) 03:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I did read it. However, as I am required to do, I only took comments that were relevant to the notability or otherwise of the article into account. Black Kite (talk) 07:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tara Reade

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tara Reade. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• Took longer than I expected, that. Was expecting one 15 seconds after I closed it. Black Kite (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Casey Simpson

I recreated an aricle that was once deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casey Simpson due to lack of notabilty according to WP:GNG and WP:BIO. I have improved the article and i have made sure it meets the guidelines on WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Can you kindly check it if it addressed the reasons why it was deleted in 2015. I would appreciate it. Thanks December200 (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

• @December200: It looks a lot better - do you mind if I change a few things on it that could be improved? Black Kite (talk) 10:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• @Black Kite: I don’t mind at all. Thats what Wikipedia is all about. Thanks December200 (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Blocked User:Moylesy98

Just over a year ago you indef blocked this user.[1] In recent weeks a series of IP editors locating to the same place has been editing some of the articles that Moylesy98 did. eg [2] There are other characteristics which connect them such as lack of sourcing and explanations, and spelling mistakes such as it's and undertook. Please could you have a look?SovalValtos (talk) 22:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

• @SovalValtos: I've rangeblocked the /64 for a week. I've also watchlisted some of the favourite articles, but please let me know if a similar IP re-appears and I'll turn it into a wider rangeblock and/or semi-protect some articles. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift actions which hopefully will suffice for another year. User:Redrose64 may have more of Moylesy98's favourites on his watchlist. It is quite easy to spot the incompetence.SovalValtos (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Shooting of Ahmaud Arbery

Hi. I there is an editor on the talk page who I think has essentially engaged in a couple rants that essentially attack Ahmaud Arbery via heavy sarcasm, and again, elucidating BLP related background information[3], [4]. I redacted some content in one paragraph [5], but I'm wondering if both paragraphs should be removed. Not being an admin myself, I am not up to that task, and I'm wondering if it would be overstepping. So, perhaps an independent pair of admin eyes will be helpful. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Black Kite, neither Mr. Quinn nor you discussed this matter with me directly before jumping to a technological "enforcement" of something I had already publicly given my word not to do. That is not a very considerate way of handling another person who is trying to contribute to a community, in my opinion. Of course, you can take my opinion or leave it. What I am disappointed most about is that there is now (and apparently forever) a garish salmon-colored notice on my Contributions page that will alert other editors that I presumably am "trouble" to the Wikipedia admin ranks. Is there a way to switch off this ugly and demeaning notice, while still keeping the partial block in place? I mean, why would someone reading about the other articles I created need or want to investigate how Wikipedia admins were suppressing reliable sources that illuminated the background of Mr. Arbery? It just seems placed there to torment me or to follow me around as a mark against my reputation (which is to improve Wikipedia's content and sources, on subjects all across the board -- I've written about lawyers, musicians, auto races, musical notation, a conductor, and youth publishing). If your goal is not to torment, please look into a way to diminish the visibility of admonishment. - Buckaboob Bonsai (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm surprised that you're asking that from one of Airstrip One's Thought Police, to be honest - but yes, if you promise not to edit the page again, I'll remove the block. Black Kite (talk) 19:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I promise, I promise. I already made a vow publicly to everyone on the Arbery Talk page, but if you need an additional personal promise, you now have it! - Buckaboob Bonsai (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Black Kite (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Blocked User:Moylesy98 again

Well it lasted eight days. Please see [6].SovalValtos (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

• All dealt with. I've protected a few of the favourite articles and blocked the IP for a month. I've watchlisted a few more as well. Black Kite (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-nothereblock

Template:Uw-nothereblock has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Pudeo (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I need your insight on my draft.

Hello Black Kite, please review this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Saron_Gebresellassi

I have had many unsuccessful creations in past. This time I chose someone with awards! It's a brief page with lots of content, and references. Although, I am having trouble sorting out the references. Please let me know how can I make this page successful?

StaySafe#

Sincerely, TheNavedKhan (talk) 08:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Xenia (emulator)

Noticed your actions on close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xenia (emulator) and makes no sense to me. The redirect to Xbox 360 seems WP:SURPRISE as Xenia is not listed on the target, and the need to delete article and create a new redirect while also leaving the talk page intact seems strange; a redirect with history might at least give chance for someone to determine if Xbox 360 could be updated to mention Xenia without surprise. I've got no interest in the subject barely but it somehow stood out on Computing results and I question the procedure. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

• The close was effectively a delete, but I thought adding a redirect would be unexceptional. If it's better off redirecting somewhere else (or indeed moving to a dab page) then that's an editorial thing. Black Kite (talk) 22:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Tony Dunne

On 9 June 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tony Dunne, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Tweet

I have spent AGES looking for that tweet, and cannot find it. The image screenshot is NOT that of @realDonaldTrump.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Kieronoldham: It wasn't a tweet. It was a retweet with no comment. It's quite a long way down his timeline, as he seems to much of his time tweeting. On my phone, it's between another retweet of Beck (an announcement that he would be interviewing Owens) and one retweeting Wayne Dupree. Black Kite (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I know the screenshot was a retweet. No worries. We just gotta keep an eye on unreputable sources seeping through, @Black Kite:. Best regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

REVERTING

I made a few reverting to prevent them from manipulating some articles about my country. Is this a propaganda encyclopedia or a neutral organization? Articles that i REVERT i mention every time please refer to talk page first. I have now understanding that some governments ban the wiki in their country. I invite you to be neutral

• Unless you're reverting vandalism, that's irrelevant I'm afraid. Following another editor to many articles and reverting their changes is not acceptable, especially when those reverts are used to prevent another edit-warring editor violating WP:3RR. Black Kite (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Cengizsogutlu

The editor is reverting me with the edit summary I should consult the talk page first, even though I was a very active editor in discussing the edit reverted on the article talk page and also the user talk page. The edit was contrary to what also Louis Aragon and HistoryofIran thought and both have reverted the same edit just like me. I have seen that you have also run into Cengizsogutlu and he was reverting my Tunceli Province edit I guess just because I restored content in the first place. The editor sometimes just reverts edits in articles he was never active in, because either I or apparently also Konli17 are active there. I don't know with what I have deserved this. Please act. Editors should engage in talk if there is a dispute, they don't though. Thank you.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

• I have told them on their talkpage that they will be blocked if they continue to do that. Black Kite (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Deleted article

Black Kite, as a fan of music, I noticed today that there is no Wikipedia article about TAIT Towers. I researched and found that you had deleted a too-promotional version of the article a few years ago. Is there any way to recover that content, so that I could see if there is some hope of salvaging it, or whether a compliant article would have to be written completely from scratch? I think Wikipedia is truly missing some important content here, given how much of a role Michael Tait's company played in enhancing the live performance of rock music for live audiences over several decades. I've never written a new article from scratch, but I think I'm ready now. Thank you! - AppleBsTime (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

• @AppleBsTime: Hi, there's no point in recovering it because it was mainly just advertising copied from TAIT Towers website (example "Whether it’s creating awe-inspiring spectaculars, complex touring stages, theatre automation, corporate events or brand experiences, TAIT works with the brightest minds in live event to bring their vision to life." You'd be far better off creating it from scratch. A tip - find a good article on a similar company (if there is one!), and use that as a template. Black Kite (talk) 20:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Yikes, that's awful. I appreciate you looking into it, and I will take your advice. There appear to be a select few decent articles about stage/lighting companies. -AppleBsTime (talk) 12:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

In appreciation of your help with starting a new article for the first time. AppleBsTime (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Request to unprotect

Could you unprotect the creation of the article Draft:Slate Star Codex? Although there are elements written like an advertisement, the article I believe is notable enough to be moved to the article space. Sam-2727 (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hmm ... I don't see it. Whilst the blog has been referenced on other webpages a few times, I don't see a single source actually about it. Indeed Alexander themselves is probably more notable than the blog. And of course the article hasn't changed since it was rejected at AfC. Black Kite (talk) 00:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Cengizsogutlu 2

Hi Black Kite, Cengizsogutlu is again reverting even though I have explained my edits at the talk page and waited for comments for days like at Village Guards. He wants to include long lists of unreferenced arms the village guards supposedly are using. Then also he wants to include Turkish propaganda about YPG/PKK terrorists at the Operation Claw. Just enter command/f and search for terrorists. The YPG is a rather well recognized force against the Islamic State and and I don't think it is correct to blame them for being terrorists, because Turkey writes so. Also the PKK was fighting against the Islamic State and was a prime force in defending the Yazidi from the Islamic State. Also at the Operation Claw Eagle and Claw Tiger he is reverting without waiting for the end of the discussion. Please act. Thank you, Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:18, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Gregory Katz article

Hi,
It was recently decided to delete the Gregory Katz page. As I spent a lot of time working on it, and in the hope that through future achievements Katz' page may again be considered to merit a wiki article, I would like to retrieve the contents of the article and especially the Talk page. Could you help me on this? Thanks --Jkorsunsky (talk) 08:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, I missed this. Draft:Gregory Katz. However, it only failed an AfD less than a month ago, so you will definitely need to work on the issues raised in the AfD, notably WP:PROF. Black Kite (talk) 13:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Lola Lennox article

Hi Black Kite-- I've recently decided to revisit a page you deleted about two years ago for singer Lola Lennox, daughter of Annie Lennox. After a long back and forth AfD, it was deleted with the consensus that the citations used to create the article didn't focus enough on her to meet notability requirements in all cases. Despite there being votes for both keep and delete, the end consensus was delete, with some users noting the subject may become notable in the future. Last month I watched the Global Citizen: Together at Home concert (I'm sure you must have seen it as well, the one hosted by Lady Gaga that had Rolling Stones, Elton John, Paul McCartney, etc... on all the TV stations) and saw Lola Lennox performing on the telecast. It seems in the two years since the page's deletion that she has many more articles focusing solely on her, from Billboard, People Magazine, Discovery Channel, Entertainment Weekly, etc. I would like to attempt to rebuild the page now that more proper sources for notability have clearly arrived. I would love your constructive input at any point, and as per Wiki guidelines as you were the one who deleted the page after AfD, am here notifying you of my intentions. Hope all is well with you, that you are staying safe and healthy during these times, and looking forward to your thoughts. Cheers. Soulman1125 (talk) 03:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

• No problem. The article is at Draft:Lola Lennox. Black Kite (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks so much! Cheers x Soulman1125 (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Hi Black Kite-- I completely rebuilt the page for Lola Lennox with entirely new content. It is almost unrecognizable to what was deleted previously. The last AfD for this article hindered on the subject not quite passing notability requirements, but in the time since, the subject has amassed a large collection of new, verifiable, good sources entirely dedicated to the subject-- from articles like Billboard, Idolator, BBC, CBS, Chicago Tribune, MSN, Entertainment Weekly, Discovery Channel, AllMusic, People Magazine, KTLA, and many others. None of these sources that I just listed existed in the previous version. I have built this new wikipedia page based on these new sources almost entirely. This new page is a well cited, concise page for a subject that now clearly, in my view, meets notability requirements. However, the page has just been tagged for speedy deletion. Could you please help look over this? Was I not supposed to create the page myself? I did not realize it would be tagged for speedy deletion with all that I have addressed. Thanks again for your help. I hope you find this new article addresses previous concerns to clearly avoid speedy deletion. Any wisdom you can give me would be appreciated. All my best x Soulman1125 (talk) 07:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
      • Yes, it shouldn't have been nominated for that, as it's not the same article any more. I've removed the tag. I would still suggest that if you can find any more information about Lennox that is backed up by reliable sources, you add it to the article. Black Kite (talk) 08:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
        • Will do. Thanks so much for your help with this! Appreciate your time and wisdom. Cheers x Soulman1125 (talk) 09:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

ARCA

I have filed a request about an arbitration decision where you had participated. You can view it here. Shashank5988 (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Assistance requested

Sorry to disturb you again, but you've been one of the more helpful people I've encountered on Wikipedia. Do you know about disambiguation pages? I have been working on people named "Robert Israel", and I'm wondering if this disambiguation page should be named "Robert Israel" or "Robert Israel (disambiguation)". When is each approach preferred? Also, I am wondering if helpful "You may be looking for..." notes would be appropriate at the top of Bob Israel (composer) and Robert Israel (composer), since they are two different people, but both music composers? - AppleBsTime (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, the dismbiguation page is at Robert Israel - the page you've linked is just a redirect to it. The disambiguation page is at the main page name, like this example, when there isn't an obvious primary topic. If there is a primary topic, then the page for the other uses of that name is at (disambiguation). For example Boston and Boston (disambiguation). And yes, the notes at the top of those two pages would be very useful. Black Kite (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you -- you made it understandable! - AppleBsTime (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Questionable PROD

Hello Black Kite, would you please have a look at [7]? I noticed the nomination at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts/Article alerts. I believe you're familiar with the editor who added the PROD. I have a hunch this may not be a good-faith edit. Thanks, Vexations (talk) 01:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• I'd already removed the PROD, which isn't really viable. However looking at the article, I would say her notability looks somewhat borderline (as the article stands), so it may be worth adding suitable references *about her* to it in case the editor does take it to AfD. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Suspected block evasion

Hi, back in February you issued an indefinite block to User:FadedRadicals for disruptive behavior. That user seems to be back at it. Not long after the block was issued this account appeared and the same editing patterns are apparent. Judging by the name I'd say it's a safe bet it's the same editor evading the block. Take care. SolarFlash^Discussion 02:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Done. Black Kite (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Jack Charlton

Is it possible to change the front page to have a blurb for him? Govvy (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• Much as I would like to see it, unfortunately it isn't. Black Kite (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

ARCA closed

I have closed the AE appeal at ARCA to which you were listed as a party. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 23:28, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

(My apologies, the correct link is Special:Permalink/967383051#Amendment_request:_India-Pakistan.) Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)