Blondewolf

Illinois Woman's Press Association

Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! However, I have found some problems with article, and have tagged the article with banners which outlines these issues. Of note, I'd hope you can edit the article into one where the tone is more appropriate. For example "The Illinois Woman's Press Association, (IWPA) was founded in 1885 by a group of bold women, collaborators who sought to advance women in the professions that brought them together." is quite subjective (use of the word 'bold') and quite informal. "The rich narration of those early years reveals the determination, wisdom, incredible focus and belief in the creativity and strength of the women of Illinois possessed." Is a statement which relies on the author's (your) own opinion, and this is very discouraged at Wikipedia. Also, the list of founding members put undue weight onto the article, and provides detail which does not add to the value of the article itself. Please consider my suggestions and make the relevant changes. Thank you again for your contributions. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 22:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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IWPA

Blondewolf, sorry to tell you that the draft at Articles for Creation has now been deleted as copyright violation of the organisation's website. Before it was deleted I saw your objections to the deletion; the problem is that wikipedia has no proof that there is permission to re-use the content on the IWPA website. This can be overcome but to be honest it is preferred that articles are written in their own words rather than being copies of other published work. NtheP (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, sorry, as a member of the board I am partial responsible for what goes up on the website. I am also one of the writers of what is on the website. I can't very well ask myself permission to use what I've given the organization. I was responsible for went up on the website. So this really is a catch twenty-two. This doesn't solve my issue either as I work to get our organization on Wikipedia.

Blondewolf (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

No you can't ask permission of yourself but you can demonstrate to wikipedia that IWPA is prepared to release the contents of, or some of, its website into the public domain by adding a creative commons licence to the relevant pages of the website e.g. the history. Alternatively consent (see WP:CONSENT for specimen wording) can be emailed to permissions@wikimedia.org, preferably from an IWPA email address for authentication. What it's not going to help with though is verifying what you write about the organisation, have you read the Wikipedia:notability policy to understand what has to be shown to support the notability of an organisation? It's great that you have access to the archives of the association but looking at the deleted draft there wasn't a lot from independent sources to back up the information. PS you can continue the conversation here without leaving any note on my talk page, I've added this page to my watch list. NtheP (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, thank you for the advice. I've asked my fellow board members to email permissions@wikimedia.org on my behalf. I think it best I don't send the email. Again, a catch twenty-two here. I'm beginning to rewrite the piece and change up the language. But the history is the history. As far as independent sources to back up the information? I'm not understanding. What do you need? That's the point of moving this forward on Wikipedia. We have our archives that we have donated to the Chicago History Museum and IWPA is an affiliate of the National Federation of Press Women. IWPA is a general not for profit corporation of the State of Illinois. I also need to ask again about adding references to the article I am now writing in my sandbox. How to do again? Blondewolf (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all, I've removed the submission template from the draft, a review at this stage will just result in it being declined or deleted again.

To establish notability in Wiki terms, we want to know what others have said about IWPA not what it says about itself. That can be online or print but really needs to independent of the association. I'm sure the books are interesting but they are WP:primary sources so should be used with care and fine more secondary sources.

I see you've started a couple of references using {{cite book}}, that's great and as a minimum you should use the parameters |title=, |publisher=, |year= and |page=. But add as much detail as you want. If you want to cite web pages use {{cite web}}. NtheP (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Now, it's starting to cook on gas and some good secondary sources like Burt & Schutz and Hast but make sure the emphasis stays on the the association not the achievements of its members unless you can directly connect the two. For example I could be (I'm not) an international soccer player but unless that was something to do with the school I attended, my soccer skills don't added to the notability of the school - hope that makes sense?

Some topics you might want to consider

• why was it necessary or desirable to start such an organisation? You mention it in the opening paragraph but then no further mentions. So a bit of context, with references, about why there was a need for an association for women writers in the 1880s?
• you should be aiming for at least one reference per paragraph so the last paragraph of the section Early years needs referencing.
• avoid language like "Legendary members" - who says Fanny Butcher was legendary? If you can't justify it, don't say it. I know this seems really silly but you are writing for a global audience, not a local one, so although Fanny Butcher might be a household name in Illinois, I'm in the UK and I've never heard of her or the IWPA so try and avoid making claims that won't stand up to international scrutiny.
• any interaction or development in, for example, women's rights and NOW in the 1960s? Did IWPA's role change during either world war with more men being away?

There's an obvious passion and enthusiasm for the association but just little bits need toning down, like Fanny Butcher is legendary. We've all done it; dive in and write about a subject we're keen on and desperate to get the information over. I've been contributing to wikipedia for about four years and I look back at some of my early contributions and I now know they need to be revised to make them more neutral in the way they read. That doesn't mean bland, boring prose but what information and how it is presented just needs to be balanced and non-critical. IWPA does appear to be a genuinely interesting and notable subject but that degree of care just needs to be taken to make sure it doesn't turn from history to hagiography (in the modern sense of uncritical). What you've written so far isn't hagiography so let's try and make sure it stays that way. NtheP (talk) 10:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, Hello from Chicago!

Thanks for the solid advice again. I hesitated to go too deep into the women's rights, etc because I was afraid it would sound as though I was putting IWPA on a soapbox. But, these founders were mostly suffragettes who formed this organization so that women could get jobs and receive pay for the same work their male counterparts had achieved. Many of these women began their careers using only initials or pen names because as women they could not get hired. A major player in IWPA history is Helen Miller Malloch who while serving as president, organized the National Federation of Press Women. She is a true legend in Communications in the US though not much is found about her on the web. There is much more about the initial structure of the organization snd I'll touch on that.

Question - there is an article about founder Myra Bradwell on Wikipedia but no mention of her as a founder of IWPA listed. In order to link her article with the IWPA article do I add that sentence to her page?

Thanks again for your suggestions. My teeth are in this now. Blondewolf (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Again Nthep,

Just an FYI. You might want to check Wikipedia:WikiProject Shimer College/Editathon/To Do List. It has Fanny Butcher listed as someone they are seeking an article on. So I think I will keep her in the IWPA article and reference her further. Blondewolf (talk) 16:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Keep her in the article by all means but don't call her legendary unless you can prove it. :-) The reasons for creating the association sound really interesting so I would suggest adding a section explaining why these pioneers came together, through adversity, opposition etc. If many of them had crossover involvement with the women's suffrage movement and that was a reason, or one of, for the establishment of IPWA or vice versa and you have references then it needs to be mentioned. If their involvement in WSM is peripheral to IWPA then keep it peripheral in the article. Same with Helen Miller Malloch, if it was her involvement and leadership of IWPA that leads to the formation of NFPW and through her IPWA becomes a major player in NFPW then include that information. Like I said a lot of this is separating the activities of its members from the activities of the association. If Myra Bradwell was a founder of IWPA then add it into the article on her, again with references. I know I keep banging on about references but in wikipedia verifiability is everything. Unlesss it's "the sky is blue" type information consider referencing it. That Chicago is in Illinois doesn't need referencing but your list of founder members does and that's one of those areas where a primary source would be allowable. If among the records are the minutes of the first meeting and it lists the founders that's an acceptable use of a primary source. if Burt has also listed them and there is a secondary source even better.

Wikipedia is always a work in progress so it doesn't need to be rushed. Get enough history in to satisfy the nobility criteria, then we'll get it published and then take it from there. NtheP (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, Wikipedia is also seeking an article on Leona Malek. Leona Alford Malek was IWPAs 19th president. I'll gladly add her to my article.

Blondewolf (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

It's starting to sound like one of the sections needed is a table of presidents of the IWPA. If they have their own articles, great, otherwise just a table of names is going to have to suffice for the time being. NtheP (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, by a table of presidents, do you mean all of them or just the notable ones I've selected to due their extreme influence on IWPA? Take a look at how I've revised the article for now. By the way, our new president has emailed a permission form to Wikipedia...

Blondewolf (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, want happens now? I see this was just added to my article. You have been working with me and I don't want someone new to come along and mess this up. You have been very kind to teach me the steps on this.

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Blondewolf (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

It's ok, that was me, I was watching out for the permission email coming in. So now there's not a copyright problem if anyone else says "this looks like the iwpa website" as that label says it's ok, it's agreed that the material on the website can be reused here, but going back to what I said before, writing it (again) in your own words is preferred.

Presidents - all of them, it's a historical record of fact. if some are notable enough to merit their own articles either already or later is just added bonus. NtheP (talk) 21:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, Hope you had a nice weekend. I've been looking at how tables are added to articles. Can you give me a better understanding of how to go about adding these names of the 48 presidents? Just mention them? A table would be more organized where I could list them in order with term dates. With your experience, what is the best way to include these? I can add them now and go back and format later?

I appreciate your guidance on this project.

Blondewolf (talk) 04:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

There you go, another editor thought it was good enough to move to mainspace :-) Congratulations

You can leave the list of presidents as you have it or it can be converted to a table. Have a look at some articles that have tables in and work out which you'd prefer. There's no standard way of doing it. NtheP (talk) 16:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, Wowza!So happy to find it finally made the grade. Thank you so very much for your help and guidance. You were very kind to lend a hand to this newbie!

It will be exciting to work on articles for some of those founders. Many of them deserve a mention on Wikipedia.Blondewolf (talk) 21:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. NtheP (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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How do I link Mary Augusta Dickerson and Clara Ingram Judson to Illinois Woman's Press Association page?

It's been a while since I've been on this talk page. I would appreciate guidance as to how to go about linking Mary Augusta Dickerson who was also known as Mary Dickerson Donahey to the Illinois Woman's Press Association. She served the organization as its president from 1925 to 1927. Her page mentions this under Clubs and Socities. The Illinois Woman's Press Association page lists her as its 16th president. On the IWPA page one can click her name and go to her Wikipedia page but when one is on Mary's page you are unable to click the Illinois Woman's Press Association as a link. Can this be done? What do I need to do to accomplish this?

Second: Clara Ingram Judson is another woman on Wikipedia who is also connected to the Illinois Woman's Press Association. She was IWPAs 15th president. Again, when on the Illinois Woman's Press Association Wikipedia page one can click her name and link to Clara's page but when on Clara's page one cannot link to the Illinois Woman's Press Association page. Both of these facts can be verified by the book So We All Can Be Heard written by Donna Duesel De La Torriente in 1987 and published by the Illinois Woman's Press Association.

Advice greatly appreciated. Blondewolf (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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