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Mvolz (talk) 12:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixing citations

Hi Boghog, recently I made some edits to Anorexia nervosa and noticed that you fixed some of the citations I put. I tend to not auto-generate citations (since I use source mode), which is maybe why these issues are coming up. Anyway I was just wondering if you run a script to find/fix these issues? If not, do you have any suggestions for how I can better generate citations so that this happens less often? --Nsophiay (talk) 23:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nsophiay. Thanks for your contributions to Anorexia nervosa. If you are editing in source mode, automatted tools like Wikipedia:RefToolbar should still work. However the automatted tools don't do a great job with {{cite web}} templates. Also with {{cite books}}, it doesn't add chapter information. In both cases, follow-up manual edits may be required. Finally Vancouver style authors have been established in Anorexia nervosa which RefToolbar does not support. If you want to create citations in this format, Wikipedia template filling tool can be used (see also User:Diberri/Template filler). I have a script to correct errors and add additional data to citations. The code is a mess right now. I am currently rewriting it from scratch and I hope to eventually publish it. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 09:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the info :) --Nsophiay (talk) 00:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Tandospirone

Your edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tandospirone&oldid=1179207738) seems to have messed up the references in the caption of the image in the Synthesis section, but I can't figure out how to correct it. Can you fix it?

Thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The problem was that were two missing ref tags. I have fixed the error in this edit. Boghog (talk) 08:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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Some questions from less experienced editor

Hi, I decided to write a message for you since WP:MCB talk page seems quite inactive lately, you were the author of a protein article that interests me, and from your edits I see you are a biology-related topics veteran here on enwiki, I hope you don't mind...

We have this APOA1BP, which is essentially NAD(P)H-hydrate epimerase, yet first article focuses on general description, interactions, whereas the second is more of "chemical" description of what this protein does. I checked twice, NAXE is a new name for APOA1BP and EC checks out in both articles. So we have 2 pages on same thing, but different aspects. What should be done in such situation?

Also since this protein influences cholesterol dynamics should it be added to Template:Lipoprotein metabolism? InternetowyGołąb (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your message. As a general rule, if there is only one human gene product that has a particular enzymatic activity, then it makes sense to merge the gene and enzyme pages. According to Expasy, there is a single human gene, NNRE_HUMAN (NAXE/APOA1BP) that has EC 5.1.99.6 activity. I would therefore support merging the two pages. Furthermore, the enzyme/protein name NAD(P)H-hydrate epimerase is fairly short, so I recommend merging APOA1BP into NAD(P)H-hydrate epimerase. While APOA1BP binds to lipoproteins, it doesn't seem to be directly involved in lipoprotein metabolism. Hence I question whether it should be added to {{Lipoprotein metabolism}}. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 08:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, APOA1BP is considered by one of references to be a "former" name, so this page should redirect to epimerase, not the other way around. I think I will do it boldly soon, after some epimerase cleanup. Hm,as for the template, well, yes, cholesterol transfer is not quite metabolism. I just didn't want it to be separated from APO1-4,C,D,E group... how about a place in Category:Apolipoproteins? InternetowyGołąb (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Category:Apolipoproteins makes sense. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Corrections to citations in 'Antagonistic pleiotropy hypothesis'.

Hello, Boghog. Thank you for your corrections to citations in the article 'Antagonistic pleiotropy hypothesis'. I have noticed that my citations frequently need to be corrected, yet I make them with the WP citations option. Do you know what I am doing wrong? Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi. You are not doing anything wrong. There was a mix of citation styles and I am just trying to standardize on one. {{cs1 config}} has been added, so this will enforce the rendering of a single style. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 07:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

OK. Thanks again. Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 08:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Propylhexedrine metabolism

Hi Boghog,

I was looking at Propylhexedrine#Pharmacokinetics and the associated File:Propylhexedrine metabolism.svg you created for it. In the bottom row of the pathway, going from hydroxylamine to oxime is tagged "dehydration". But I don't see water being lost. Should it be "dehydrogenation"? DMacks (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi DMacks. Thanks for catching my error. You are right. Should be dehydrogenation, not dehydration. Corrected in this edit. Boghog (talk) 17:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I updated the article to sync. DMacks (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Parkinson's disease

Hello Boghog,

This is not meant to be judgemental; I'm just curious about why you replaced specific dates of citations in Parkinson's disease with their approximate month instead of the exact day. For consistency, wouldn't it be more useful to use the exact day when available, and just the month if specific date isn't available? –Tobias (talk) 18:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hallo Tobias. Thanks for your message. For the most part, I am following the publication dates that PubMed uses, which generally refer to the print publication dates rather than the online publication dates. The relevance of print versus online publication dates is debatable. Formally, the print publication date is more relevant, except in unusual circumstances where priority between two publications is important. For printed publications with 12 issues per year, "1 January" is equivalent to the "January" issue. For example, PMID 35176268, the 2022-02-14 date is apparently the accepted date which was published in print on "1 April 2022" which is equivalent to the "April 2022" issue. Does this make sense? Cheers. Boghog (talk) 19:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes it does, thank you for the answer. I'll try to mind this in my edits :D –Tobias (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Chemoimmunotherapy rewrite

Thank you for this! All of the clerks and usual admin patrollers at copyright problems have been busy IRL or other areas, and we often have more difficulty with medical articles due to the technical nature. The rewrite looks really good. :) Sennecaster (Chat) 20:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for your note. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 04:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Pott's Disease Citation Help

Hi Boghog, thanks for the help on reformatting my citation for the section I wrote up. May I ask what is the name of the format of the citation (or how you format it) so I can keep it consistent as I add on new citations -- that way you don't have to go back every time to correct my format as I add on new ones! Thanks again for the help! Joshchiang296 (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

: Hi. Thanks for your question about citation format in Pott's disease. The originally established citation format used the Vancouver system. Unfortunately WP:REFTOOLS does not support |vauthors= as an option. The only tool that I know of that generates citations in this format is the Diberri Template builder. Given a PMID, one can generate a fully formated citation that can be copy and pasted into the article. I hope this helps. Cheers Boghog (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Jeffrey Leiden Updates

Hello Boghog. I hope all is well. I saw your username at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology/Participant and hope that because of your interest you might like to look at an edit request I posted at Talk:Jeffrey_Leiden#Updates. Jeffrey Leiden is the executive chairman of Vertex Pharmaceuticals. The edit request is 3 easy edits (the 4th bullet point has already been implemented.) I would really appreciate if you could implement the rest of this edit request. Thanks so much. JohnDatVertex (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi again. Thank you for your edits to the Jeffrey Leiden Wikipedia article. I also thanked you here, where I also included another edit request, which is simple enough that I can also do it directly, but I would like your permission first. If you could take a look and let me know, that would be great. Take care, JohnDatVertex (talk) 13:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Replied at the talk page. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 20:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Clarification on WP:CITEVAR

Hi! I saw your edit on LexA repressor and wanted to clarify, does CITEVAR apply to each part of the reference separately? I had switched that one over because while the authors were mostly consistent, I didn't see consistency in the rest (some abbreviated journal names, some not; some year and month, some only year; all of them had different spacing; some did the full page number span, some did the thing where the second number is only the last number or two; etc.), and the easiest way for me to fix that is with the template filler which uses the last/first format (dyslexic, can't parse long spans of commas lol). I can avoid changing the bits that are consistent in the future, I just wanted to clarify if I'm understanding properly first.

Also, you removed the Ž on one of the author names, was that an accident or is that a style thing? CambrianCrab (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. CITEVAR, in principle, applies to all parts of a citation. I have no objections to changing |year= to |date=, including months in dates, replacing journal abbreviations with full journal names, and replacing abbreviated second numbers with full numbers in page ranges (in fact, I often make these changes myself). These changes are generally considered helpful, and I have not seen anyone object to them. It is probably OK to implement these changes (unless of course someone objects) regardless of whether they were consistent to begin with or not. I do however object replacing |vauthors= (Vancouver system) with |first1=, |last1=, ... if the Vancouver system has already been established. I hope this makes sense.

The change in Žgur → Zgur in the author name was a mistake which I have corrected. Thanks for pointing this out. Boghog (talk) 04:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay I think I follow. It sounds like I had been thinking of the "citation style" as a full unit where if the whole thing wasn't consistent (i.e. all the stuff I listed above) then there wasn't a consistent style, but I should be thinking of the "style" as mostly just author style (as least for CS1 refs for the purposes of CITEVAR) and if the author style is consistent it should be retained/discussed before changing, regardless of if the rest of the ref is consistent. I can do that! Thanks for clarifying! CambrianCrab (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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Preprints as citation

W.r.t. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GPX4&diff=1241254795&oldid=1241252163

In my opinion the preprint provides sufficient evidence for the addition (especially since I qualified that the evidence is in vitro and that the evidence "suggests") even if it is not peer-reviewed. I agree that for controversial topics with abundant potential for conflicts of interest it may be wise to allow only peer-reviewed articles. In this case, however, the preprint is a detailed record of primary observations from standard biochemical assays; for a niche gene. Surely this passes the bar for evidence?

COI declaration: I am not on the author list and I do not know any of the authors nor am I from the institution or know anyone from those institutions. When I read an interesting article I sometimes share what I learn as small additions on Wikipedia. NANGYEUN (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your clarification. WP:PREPRINT is a bit more nuanced and the source may qualify as a reliable self-published source. As a compromisie, I have restored the source in this edit with {{Unreliable source?}}. Hopefully this study will eventually be published in a peer reviewed journal and the citation can be updated. Boghog (talk) 13:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

That's fair! Thanks for reconsidering :) NANGYEUN (talk) 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Copyright problem: Stem cell therapy for macular degeneration

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Hi. Thanks for your message. Please note that I only adjusted the citations. The text was provided by other editors. I agree it is a mess that require extensive editing. Boghog (talk) 19:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

The text is sufficiently paraphrased that is no longer a copyright violation, hence I have have removed the copyright banner. Boghog (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for fixing it all! It's really cool how you do medicine too! ScribblingScribe - TALK 20:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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Do you have a view?

Hi Boghog, Thank you for your improvements to the article about the antagonistic pleiotropy hypothesis (APT). Do you have a view on whether the section on APTs role in DNA repair actually refers to APT? My impression is that it does not. Thanks in advance. Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 08:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dr. Dobeaucoup. Thanks for your contribution to the APT article. I am not certain, but the following:

the disposable soma theory of aging (36), which posits that organisms have limited resources, such that a greater investment in reproduction would lead to a lower investment in DNA repair maintenance, causing accumulation of somatic mutations and aging. suggests that it does. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 12:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Boghog. I will add this useful material to the subsection on DNA repair. Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

References

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Consistent citation formatting

Hello, I notice you frequently fix citation formatting. Is there a way to have the tool that's in the editor respect the page's settings with respect to citation style specified with the {{cs tags when inserting a new ref/cite? By default it will fill in the author1,2,... and you seem to have a tool to convert to the vauthors style; if there is a way to do this all at once I'd prefer to do that. I apologize if this is poorly phrased, as I don't know the details of how the citation style templates work. Kimen8 (talk) 12:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your question. Citation bot can do this. For example, if you insert {{cite journal | pmid = 31925484 }} into an article that already contains {{cs1 config|name-list-style=vanc|display-authors=6}}, and then run citation bot on the same article, it will add |vauthors= instead of |last1=, |first1=, ... Unfortunately there is not a way to do this in one step without a script. I have a script to correct errors and add additional data to citations. The code is a mess right now. I am currently rewriting it from scratch and I hope to eventually publish it. Cheers Boghog (talk) 17:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that tool will prove useful to me. Kimen8 (talk) 07:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Article Request

lin-14 is a nematode protein that has gained notable due to the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 2024. Could you create it? Htmlzycq (talk) 04:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 06:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Yunlong Cao, Could you help rewrite this article? This person has been list in Nature's 10, but with copyrighted issues.--Htmlzycq (talk) 03:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi.The article submission was rejected for notability, not copyright. The prose in the "Research" section was removed from the article's history, making it difficult for me to rewrite. I suggest converting the "Research" section into a "Publications" section, as it consists entirely of primary sources. Limit the list to the most highly cited publications. I have also edited the lead to emphasize notability, which will hopefully resolve this issue. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 07:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

ENX-104

Hi Boghog. I see that you have been helping by adding chemistry drawings to articles by the prolific IP editor 76.174.0.57, including for ENX-104. I was intrigued by that compound and intend to expand the article. In researching it, I found that it is a the partially deuterated version of nemonapride, an old Yamanouchi compound (I'll also be adding references there). Looking at the recent patent cited in the ENX article, it is clear that it is the cis-(R,R) stereochemistry, i.e. the same as our File:Nemonapride.svg. Please could you redraw your File:ENX-104.svg in that configuration, or add a new drawing? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oops, good catch. I have corrected the stereochemistry, as well as the configuration around the amide. An intramolecular hydrogen bond is much more stable than the electrostatic repulsion between two oxygen atoms. Cheers Boghog (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Who is this 76.174.0.57? I am very impressed. Boghog (talk) 17:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

No idea. Many people have been congratulating him/her and suggesting that an account be created but that hasn't happened yet. Some days, we get several articles, all via the AfC process! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Shuah_Khan

Hello sir, I'm trying to add an article on Shuah Khan.

Can you help?

Thank you. AbdulRahim2002 (talk) 23:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I have done some copyedits, but the main issue remains notability. I am not sure that the article meets the requirements of WP:ANYBIO. Boghog (talk) 09:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for improving the article. AbdulRahim2002 (talk) 14:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@AbdulRahim2002:. No reason to revert either your post to my talk page nor the Draft:Shuah Khan. There is no notability requirement in draft space and the subject of this bio could eventually be notable. Cheers. Boghog (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)