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Homelander

Hello. I received your message on my talk page. Then why exactly are we not making a separate article for Homelander's character in Amazon Prime instead? So far from what I know on the show, there is literally no evidence of anyone in the Amazon Prime show addressing Homelander as John Gillman, or any actual evidence of Homelander even having a last name. He is so far only addressed as John throughout the show. I want this to be taken into consideration because yes, in the comics, he's John Gillman. I saw the source. But in the show, the only proof we have so far of Homelander's name in the show is just John. That's it. Nothing of a surname. 82.36.122.183 (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

A. That is not how Wikipedia works, unlike Fandom, where here we have one page for a character and then subsections for different versions of them.

B. That is not how credits work either. Maeve and the Deep are also just called Maggie and Kevin in the show, us getting their surnames (Shaw and Moskowitz) from side-materials, but we still mention them. If there were a Superman film where the character were just called "Clark" and never explicitly given the surname "Kent", the assumption would not be that he has a different surname unless that were explicitly noted to be the case.

C. Going by side-materials for the various shows, the Godolkin University tie-in website for Gen V does actually mention Homelander's real name as "John Gillman" in the code, as well as as an Easter egg on the "What Super are You?" page, where fans can enter in their name and hero name, but will be disallowed from entering the name or hero name of any actual Supes from The Boys or Gen V, from "Maggie Shaw" and "Queen Maeve" to "John Gillman" and "Homelander", with a message saying "That sounds familiar… We encourage originality in our students." if you enter in those names. While it is an Easter egg, it is specific to the Amazon Prime Video version of the character, and should be a good enough reference for you to sort our your Wikia Fandom argument. Born in the maw of dug (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, then why not just include a part where Homelander in Amazon Prime is never addressed as John Gillman, but just only John?

Secondly, Maeve and The Deep (amazon prime counterparts only) had these surnames because the writers said so themselves. We are literally basing their names with what the writers confirm or de-confirm.

Thirdly, with how if Superman is just addressed as Clark and never Clark Kent, he is always addressed as Clark Kent because that is literally what the writers confirm within the show, movies, interviews, etc. The main continuity of Superman is that he's Clark Kent... unless! He's addressed differently as a different character. In Homelander's case, there are only two iterations of him. The Boys comics and the Amazon Prime show.

Finally, so what if the Amazon Prime website has a message saying "That sounds familiar… We encourage originality in our students." if you enter in John Gillman? What is your point with this? Because it's nothing at all to confirming that Homelander in Amazon Prime is John Gillman. For all we know, it could be referring to a student named John Gillman, a different person from Homelander.

I get I'm condescending with this and I apologize. But I want to ensure that everything is cited properly with the finest details and that no misinformation is put out. 82.36.122.183 (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

It's okay. I think I explained the Godolkin University website a little unclearly; to get more specific: the only names it displays that message to are the civilian and superhero names of all the members of The Seven. Not real people, but the characters within the show, so you enter in "Annie January", "Starlight", "John Gillman", "Homelander", "Maggie Shaw", "Queen Maeve", and so on, so forth, and you get that message. My point in pointing it out to you is it is official media related to the television series' canon using the surname, and that you could use that website on your Wikia (separate from Wikipedia) to reference the series' Homelander having the same surname if you need to.

The main point is that there has been nothing to indicate Homelander will be given a different surname if/when his surname is mentioned in the series, other than fan speculation, and so no reason to note he has only been referred to by his first name so far in the series itself on Wikipedia. It's too much just WP:TRIVIA to mention here, like Proinsias Cassidy's first name only being mentioned in the comics and not in the Preacher television series. The fourth season of The Boys begins airing tomorrow; let's wait to see if it brings it up, either in those first three episodes or in a few weeks when it finishes up. If he ends up with a different surname, then of course that will be mentioned, but if he's just kept on a first-name basis again, then there's no need for a change. Born in the maw of dug (talk) 23:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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