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editHi there! Thanks for your comment and the contributions to the Perm Krai article. As for the list, however, you are not quite right. The list which you added and which I then removed was that of the municipal divisions, not of the administrative divisions. There are thirty-three administrative districts in Perm Krai (just as the administrative divisions of Perm Krai article states), yet there are forty-two municipal districts. Ideally, the main article needs to be re-written to cover both the administrative and municipal divisions (as this one does), but it all still needs to be in one place. Having the same list duplicated in two places is bad enough, but having a list of forty-two unspecified districts in the article about the krai and a list of thirty-three administrative districts in the article dedicated to the krai's administrative divisions doesn't exactly imbue our readers with confidence about the quality of the material, wouldn't you agree? :)
For now, I added a short summary to the Perm Krai article. Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns, and welcome to Wikipedia!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 13:38 (UTC)
- Me again :) I need to ask you a favor, please. First, when you are adding infoboxes, could you please use the appropriate copy-paste template from {{Infobox Russian inhabited locality}}? This would significantly reduce the need for further cleanup. Also, please make sure that you don't overwrite the existing information when adding to an article. In the Chusovoy article, for example, you completely replaced the lede paragraph, which had additional links and references. Try to incorporate what's already there into what you are adding. There are also a few other things, but those are minor and can wait till you are more comfortable around here. Thanks again for your contributions!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 19:21 (UTC)
- I sure am going to try, but you are just too prolific to catch up :) I do add the pages that need further copyediting to my to-do list, and, of course, there are other people who may correct these articles before I get to them. At any rate, if you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to help. Feel free to write to me in Russian if that's easier for you. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 19:40 (UTC)
- As long as the articles are properly incorporated into the navigational structure (which they are), it doesn't really matter how long the title is, especially for a low-profile place like this. The naming itself is per this guideline. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 20:00 (UTC)
- The reason for that is because the articles in the English Wikipedia are structured differently than in the Russian Wikipedia. In ru_wiki, the articles are primarily about the municipal divisions, while ours are primarily about the administrative divisions. We don't normally create an article about a municipal division unless there is no 1:1 match with an administrative division. Krasnokamsk in Perm Krai is not just an inhabited locality which is the administrative center of the municipal district; it is also a town of krai significance (which encompasses the town proper and the territories in its jurisdiction). The town of krai significance is a separate administrative unit, but since there isn't much we can say about it to warrant a separate article, that information is merged into the article about the town proper. And since the territory of the municipal district matches exactly the territory of the town of krai significance, the municipal division information should go into that article as well. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 28, 2011; 13:32 (UTC)
- As a side note, could you please use one of these copy-paste models when inserting infoboxes? Edits like this require extensive cleanup. You don't need to fill out every field if you can't, but please don't remove the parameters which you can't fill. Just leave them blank. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 28, 2011; 14:06 (UTC)
- The reason for that is because the articles in the English Wikipedia are structured differently than in the Russian Wikipedia. In ru_wiki, the articles are primarily about the municipal divisions, while ours are primarily about the administrative divisions. We don't normally create an article about a municipal division unless there is no 1:1 match with an administrative division. Krasnokamsk in Perm Krai is not just an inhabited locality which is the administrative center of the municipal district; it is also a town of krai significance (which encompasses the town proper and the territories in its jurisdiction). The town of krai significance is a separate administrative unit, but since there isn't much we can say about it to warrant a separate article, that information is merged into the article about the town proper. And since the territory of the municipal district matches exactly the territory of the town of krai significance, the municipal division information should go into that article as well. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 28, 2011; 13:32 (UTC)
- As long as the articles are properly incorporated into the navigational structure (which they are), it doesn't really matter how long the title is, especially for a low-profile place like this. The naming itself is per this guideline. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 20:00 (UTC)
- I sure am going to try, but you are just too prolific to catch up :) I do add the pages that need further copyediting to my to-do list, and, of course, there are other people who may correct these articles before I get to them. At any rate, if you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to help. Feel free to write to me in Russian if that's easier for you. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2011; 19:40 (UTC)
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Perm Krai
editHi. Thanks for you work. Two things. Can you add PermKrai-geo-stub with a {{ }} around it at the bottom of the articles? Also can you provide proper citations rather than just an external link to the Perm Krai Encyclopedia? See Vladimir Abashev for how it should be done.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi there! Could you also please verify the 2010 Census numbers you are adding? The numbers you are inserting do not match those of the 2010 Census preliminary results, and the 2010 Census ethnic composition data are not yet available, so that part will need to be sourced separately. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 17:02 (UTC)
- Результаты переписи 2010 просто копирую из русской вики. В их правдивости честно говоря не убеждался. Данные об этническом составе есть и в русской и в финской вики (не знаю даже откуда они их взяли), причём финские статьи похоже были созданы независимо от русских... Думаете не имеет смысла дальше добавлять информацию о населении и национальном составе районов? Brainwashinguser (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Результаты переписи можно также просто скопировать из официального источника :) А вот откуда взят национальный состав действительно сказать трудно. Даже данные переписи 2002 г. имеются в открытом доступе только, если я правильно помню, по субъектам Федерации. Что касается добавления этой информации, то за отсутствием источника добавлять её, наверное, действительно смысла нет... Ну или в крайнем случае лепите на них {{citation needed}}.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 17:40 (UTC)
- Sorry...Information about ethnic composition in Finnish wiki is according 2002 Census...
- Hmm, interesting... The 2002 Census website, however, does not have this information in public access... Only the numbers by federal subject are available. I think using {{citation needed}} is in order :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 17:47 (UTC)
- Кстати, после районов Пермского края я планировал поработать над Башкирскими районами, там на данных об этническим составе на 2002 ссылка на какой-то печатный источник... Т.е. информация переписи по районам есть, вопрос лишь где она...
- Да нет, я не сомневаюсь, что она есть. Просто если вы добавляете информацию с ссылками на источники в оффлайне, то подразумевается, что эти источники вы видели лично. Если же вы их не видели, а берёте информацию из третьих рук, то указывать в качестве источников надо эти самые третьи руки. А поскольку в данном случае ими являются ру и фи-вики, и поскольку ссылки на Википедии на других языках в качестве источников использоваться не могут, то, соответственно, конечный результат — это то же самое, что "unsourced".
Что касается Башкортостана, этнический состав некоторых его районов (по переписи 1989 г.) есть в пятитомнике "История сёл и деревень Башкортостана" А. З. Асфандиярова. У меня, к сожалению, есть только третий и пятый тома, поэтому перепроверить я смогу только некоторые районы. Источника, указанного в ру-вики, у меня нет.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 18:08 (UTC)- Понятно... В любом случае, информацию об этн. составе я всё же добавлять наверно буду (не помешает она даже непроверенная) с [citation needed] разумеется... По поводу Башкортостана, то когда до него доберусь, то проверьте те цифры, которые у вас есть... В ру-вики тоже далеко не про все районы состав указан. Когда-нибудь доберусь и до соседних регионов, Татарстана, Удмуртии, Марий Эл, Чувашии, по ним у вас случайно ничего такого нет?
- Ага, спасибо. По Татарстану у меня есть справочник 1997 г. по административно-территориальному делению; в нём имеется нац. состав по переписи 1989 г. По Марий Эл есть похожий справочник за 1986 г., но в нём указаны только "преобладающие национальности" без процентовок, да и староваты эти данные (подозреваю, что по переписи 1979 г., но в справочнике это явно не указано). По Удмуртии точно ничего нет. По Чувашии не помню — надо посмотреть свою библиотеку (я сейчас не дома).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 18:24 (UTC)
- Понятно... В любом случае, информацию об этн. составе я всё же добавлять наверно буду (не помешает она даже непроверенная) с [citation needed] разумеется... По поводу Башкортостана, то когда до него доберусь, то проверьте те цифры, которые у вас есть... В ру-вики тоже далеко не про все районы состав указан. Когда-нибудь доберусь и до соседних регионов, Татарстана, Удмуртии, Марий Эл, Чувашии, по ним у вас случайно ничего такого нет?
- Да нет, я не сомневаюсь, что она есть. Просто если вы добавляете информацию с ссылками на источники в оффлайне, то подразумевается, что эти источники вы видели лично. Если же вы их не видели, а берёте информацию из третьих рук, то указывать в качестве источников надо эти самые третьи руки. А поскольку в данном случае ими являются ру и фи-вики, и поскольку ссылки на Википедии на других языках в качестве источников использоваться не могут, то, соответственно, конечный результат — это то же самое, что "unsourced".
- Кстати, после районов Пермского края я планировал поработать над Башкирскими районами, там на данных об этническим составе на 2002 ссылка на какой-то печатный источник... Т.е. информация переписи по районам есть, вопрос лишь где она...
- Hmm, interesting... The 2002 Census website, however, does not have this information in public access... Only the numbers by federal subject are available. I think using {{citation needed}} is in order :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 15, 2011; 17:47 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 16, 2011; 17:17 (UTC)
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editYour articles are good, but as well as Category:Kremlins they should have a category to the locality or city eg Category:Buildings and structures in Nizhny Novgorod for the Nizhny Novgorod Kremlin. Hugo999 (talk) 13:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Brainwashinguser,
It seems that you are new over here. You have been continuously creating pages without references. Nearly all of them are regarding rivers in Russia. You are more then welcome to contribute in Wikipedia but please enter the information which can be verified via reliable independent sources. Creating a dozen pages is not an art. You must write some information to make the page presentable and it should be worth inclusion into the encyclopedia. If you have reliable resources and you want any help regarding the presentation or creating an article with more reliable information, you are more then welcome to ask me, but please avoid creating pages that are regarding non-notable topics. Thanks
Inlandmamba (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- What are u talking about absence of sources?? all of my articles have a reference to Water Register of Russian Federation where presence all basic information about length, mouth and basin of rivers. And it seem that there are no any better sources on this topic. How many references u need for 2-3 statements? I suppose that one source is quite enough.
Also, u said that it's "non-notable topics", why are u thinking this way? Brainwashinguser (talk) 18:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Brainwashinguser,
I didn't really mean to offend you. You have used a single link to state the facts of the rivers. It's Good, but you should try to elaborate the page like it happens in encyclopedia's. No doubt about that these rivers are notable. These rivers must be of great importance. You just need to add up some information so that the article becomes more presentable. There must be some more references on the internet that support your page. I wasn't thinking this way either, by mentioning this word "non-notable topics" I meant to say that you should try to add some more references so that it explains the significance of these rivers.
Inlandmamba (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi instead of saying "Flows into Kolva River 25 km of its mouth." can you say "Flows into the Kolva River 25 km from its mouth." Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Inlandmamba, Most of those rivers just are quite short and located in quite remote regions. It is really no too mush information about most of them except water register. so, I'll try to search some information again. Also, my contribution here, in English wiki, is heavily limited by my poor english. I can't write long articles even having information due I'm worry that it would be too many mistakes there. Brainwashinguser (talk) 19:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld, thanks. I'm apologize for my english...
I didn't say anything about article length. I said use the word from NOT "of" for example: Flows into the Kolva River 25 km from its mouth." Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld, that was message for user Inlandmamba, who asked me to write more long articled and to add more sources. Brainwashinguser (talk) 07:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Russian rivers
editЗдравствуйте, ru:Молебка (приток Асовки) у Вас через ё. Откуда такая информацие? У Вас есть АИ?--SEA99 (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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