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Query about Draft:IKMF International Krav Maga Federation

Hi CASSIOPEIA! You might have pointed to check AfC draft Krav Maga Federation by Alex4ff after resubmitting declined for few many times and still awaiting review. I have doubt for that because it is considered as advertisement-like, but important sources is too lowest level about Company or organization! Please re-consider this measure to review again! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.98.166.109 (talk • contribs) 01:35, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

Hi 109.98.166.109 The article has been reviewed and it was declined. Please note that is already a Krav Maga article in EN Wikipedia. International Krav Maga Federation article should sorely write about the Federation itself and not blurred to inclusion of other wider topics which have been covered in Krav Maga page. Secondly, the content written is more like an essay and promotional piece than encyclopedic style or writing. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, CASSIOPEIA! Thanks a lot! I just saw how I've guess that process were done without success. After the response, alleged editor Alex4ff (talk · contribs · count) would suffer that, he lost another hope for its AfC draft. 109.98.166.109 (talk) 11:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi 109.98.166.109 Greeting to you. I am not sure I explained the well. If the content claimed is solely about the Federation supported by independent reliable sources in significant coverage where by the sources talk about the subject (IKMF) in length and in dept in neutral point of view with no violation of copyright infringement or promotion tone then the article can be submitted again. Please not sources such as home page, official, listing, interviews, sources associated with the subject, user generated sources/sites, and etc are considered NOT indpendent and /or reliable and can NOT be used to demonstrate/contribute to the notability of the subject. Sources such as from the major newspapers, reputable/reliable journals could be used. Also sources would be in any languages. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Mike Perry

A user named Jahannum keeps blanking the Mike Perry page despite being warned about it in the past can you please warn them or report them for vandalism next time they blank the page ? 172.56.37.228 (talk) 08:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi 172.56.37.228 Good day. I saw the back and forth reversion of you,other IP editors (User:2600:1702:940:1080:64f6:f749:4956:987e, User:208.54.87.235, User:2600:1702:940:1080:ad70:15a3:feef:a703, User:96.253.25.35 and User:Jahannum. It is not a vandalism edits but dispute on content inclusion and the Jahannum did provide edit summaries of their edit. As I have added some sources (since it stated it needed sources) that makes me an involved editor and I am indifferent if this section is inclusive in the article. Since this involves "controversies topics", I will post this dispute on WP:ANI and will invite you and the involved editors to participate in the discussion. An admin will close the discussion with an appropriate outcome. (Do note: pls be aware of 3 reverts in 24 hours on the same article for you will be blocked - you havent done that but this is just to inform you]]. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 12:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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23:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please review my draft Draft:Érd Aréna

Hello, I have found some independent sources. This is a Champions League arena in women's handball, I can't found more, but I have also added external links with the official sites. Now the sources are independent like you told me to be. I couldn't find more information about the opening, since it was built in communism. Érd Aréna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cristina neagu (talk • contribs) 20:56, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Cristina neagu Good day. The sources you provided do not directly talk about the subject but a side info of other subject. The subject seems notable but it need independent, [[Wp:RS}reliable]] sources to back up the content claimed which the source talk about the subject in length and in dept and not merely passing mentioned. If you would find some article in the newspaper about the construction of this arena,or the opening event of this arena and etc. and that would be helpful. Let me know if anything else I could help. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 10:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I couldn't find those because of Hungarian but it's an indoor arena hosting Champions League matches for FTC in the women's handball, plus it is also national hall in the Hungarian's women league which is ranked first in Europe at the moment. Erd HC are original tenants. Cristina neagu (talk • contribs) 11:14, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonestown: The Women Behind the Massacre

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonestown: The Women Behind the Massacre. Levivich (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft discography

Hi, i tried to improve the article with two different sources. If it's not enough i think i cannot find better. In this case i delete this article or i wait. Thank you for your time.Airolo (talk) 11:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Airolo Greetings. What you provide is not enought to demostrate the notability of the subject. if you want to delete the draft, pls insert {{db-G7}} on the page. Save the edit and place "request delete by creator" on the edit summary. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 12:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Question re: updated Draft Micromobility

Hi Cassiopeia -

thanks for reviewing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Micromobility

I want to make sure I made the needed changes. Remaining sources are Wikipedia, CNBC, Time, BBC as well as a link for the event where the term was introduced and explained.

I'm new at this, please let me know what other changes are needed, if any. Thanks again! Extraordinawry (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing a page

Dear Sir/Madam

I have edited kutlug Ataman's page due to missing information about his career. I am studying art history and my dissertation was about Mr Kutlug Ataman. I do not know him but I follow his works and I wrote my dissertation about his career. Therefore I have changed and added every information that I have found through books and online trusted websites which I am to write my editing on here and also put the source for you. I hope it will help to improve wikipedia and I hope I will be a help to this website.

Extended content

Born in 1961 in Istanbul, Turkey. Acclaimed feature film-maker and contemporary artist. Ataman’s films are known for their strong characterization and humanity. His early art works examine the ways in which people and communities create and rewrite their identities through self-expression, blurring the line between reality and fiction. His later works focus on history and geography as man-made constructs. His first feature film, Serpent’s Tale’s (Karanlık Sular), made in 1994, intriguingly utilized the metaphor of the vampire to encapsulate the crisis of contemporary Turkish culture. It was awarded five filmmaking prizes, including at the Istanbul International Film Festival. In 1997, Ataman directed an eight-hour video, entitled kutluğ ataman’s semiha b. unplugged, focusing his hand-held camera on one of Turkey’s legends, the opera singer Semiha Berksoy, once publicly persecuted for an affair with the exiled communist poet Nazım Hikmet, now found living on in obscurity as an octogenarian in an eccentric dream world of her own creation. Ms. Berksoy served both as Ataman’s studied subject, as well as his shining star. This work was invited to several important art biennials and international film festivals (Variety - The Serpants Tale 1994). Ataman's next production, the feature film Lola+Bilidikid, made in 1998, was set in the transvestite subculture within the Turkish guest-worker community of Berlin, Germany. It won the Jury Special Prize at the 49th International Berlin Film Festival, after screening as the opening film of the festival’s Panorama Section in 1999. It also won the “Best Film” award at New York’s NewFest (IMDB Lola and Billy the Kid). In 2005, Ataman directed his next feature film, 2 Girls, from his screenplay adaptation of the best-selling Turkish novel, “2 Girls” (İki Genç Kızın Romanı) by Perihan Mağden. The film tells the story of two teenage girls with contrasting personalities and backgrounds, who form a close bond with sexual implications, and by extension examines the economic, social, psychological, and sexual pressures shaping today’s youth. It won three prizes in 2005 for “Best Actress,” “Best Cinematography,” and “Best Director” at Antalya Film Festival, home to Turkey’s most prestigious film award. With this film Ataman also received a “Best Director” prize at the Istanbul International Film Festival and won the “Special Jury Prize” at the 8th Festival of Asian Cinema (New Delhi, India) in 2006 (IMDB 2 Genc Kiz "2 Girls"). In April 2009 he is the Chair of the Jury of the Istanbul International Film Festival. His film Journey to the Moon was shown outside competition at this festival. In June 2009 Journey to the Moon was shown at the 31st Moscow International Film Festival. It was also screened at the BFI 53rd London Film Festival in October 2009, and in February 2011 had screenings in Brussels and Rotterdam as part of the Routes Award public programme (Kutlug Ataman, Frieze).His last movie "The Lamb" 51st Golden Orange Antalya International Film Festival October 2014. Awarded the Golden Orange for Best Film and five other prizes: Best Actress (Nesrin Cavadzade); Best Supporting Actress (Nursel Köse); Behlül Dahl Special Award (Mert Taştan and Sıla Lara Cantürk); Turkish Cinema Critics Association National Award for Best Film. 59th Valladolid International Film Festival October 2014. Awarded prizes for Best Screenplay (Kutluğ Ataman) and Best Photography (Feza Çaldıran) 64. International Berlin Film Festival Panorama Special (Official Selection) February 2014 Awarded Best Film prize: CICAE Art Cinema Award, Panorama Special section at the 64. International Berlin Film Festival February 2014. (The Lamb, Variety) In competition at the 2004 Carnegie International at the Carnegie Museum of Art in Pittsburgh, he won the top award and one of America’s highest honours in art, the “Carnegie Prize.” In 2004, he was one of the four short-listed artists for the “Turner Prize” organized by London’s prestigious Tate Gallery. In 2003, Kutluğ Ataman was named “best artist of the year” by the London Observer newspaper. In January 2011 annual Almanac ArtAsiaPacific selected him one of the 2010 5 Artists of the Year. Kutluğ Ataman was the 2011 laureate of the third European Cultural Fund ‘Routes’ Princess Margriet Award for cultural diversity. His art works have been shown at Documenta (2002), the Venice Biennale (1999) as well as the Biennials in São Paulo (2002, 2010), Berlin (2001) and Istanbul (1997, 2003, 2007 and 2011). He was also in the Tate’s Triennial in 2003. Recent solo exhibitions include The Enemy Inside Me, a major retrospective at Istanbul Modern, Turkey (2010/11), Mesopotamian Dramaturgies at MAXXI – the National Museum of 21st Century Arts, Rome (2010) and at ARTER in Istanbul (2011). He featured two works from Mesopotamian Dramaturgies at the Brighton Festival, UK in 2011. Other major solo exhibitions have included fff at the Whitechapel Gallery, London (2010), Kutluğ Ataman: Paradise and Küba, Ludwig Museum, Cologne (2009/10), Lentos Kunstmuseum, Linz (2009) Vancouver Art Gallery (2008), Paradise, the Orange County Museum of Art, Newport Beach, California (2007), De-Regulation With the Work of Kutluğ Ataman, MuHKA, Belgium (2006), Küba, Artangel (2005), Museum of Contemporary Art, Sydney (2005), Long Streams, Serpentine Gallery, London and Nikolaj, Copenhagen Contemporary Art Centre, Denmark (2002). His art works are in major international collections, including MoMA, New York, Tate Modern, London, Thyssen-Bornemisza Art Contemporary, Vienna, the Dimitris Daskalopoulos Collection, Athens, Istanbul Modern, Istanbul and the Carnegie Museum, Pittsburgh. Mesopotamian Dramaturgies – a multi-element work was exhibited in Linz as part of European Capital of Culture 2009, and subsequently at the Ludwig Museum in Cologne before its showing at MAXXI in Rome in 2010 and ARTER in Istanbul in 2011. Ataman’s works were also in exhibitions in Istanbul, Basel, Lille, Milan, Gothenburg, Paris, and Malmö through 2009, in Istanbul, São Paulo, Berlin, Vienna, Sydney and London in 2010 and Istanbul, Bilbao, Brighton and London in 2011. In April 2009 Kutluğ Ataman was the Chair of the Jury of the International Istanbul Film Festival. A full-length documentary film directed by Metin Çavuş about Ataman’s art career was issued at the end of 2011. Here are the links for his career and information I have given above: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/12/arts/kutlug-ataman.html https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2002/dec/29/turnerprize2004.turnerprize https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/exhibition/turner-prize-2004/turner-prize-2004-artists-kutlug-ataman https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0040248/ https://www.serpentinegalleries.org/exhibitions-events/kutlug-ataman https://www.whitechapelgallery.org/exhibitions/kutlug-ataman-fff/ https://www.moma.org/artists/27561 http://www.harrismuseum.org.uk/paradise/biog.htm https://uk.phaidon.com/agenda/art/articles/2011/february/09/art-is-not-about-making-a-cheap-joke-at-the-expense-of-your-subject-kutlu-ataman/ https://www.muhka.be/collections/artists/a/artist/750-kutlu-ataman https://www.speronewestwater.com/exhibitions/kutlug-ataman/installations https://frieze.com/article/kutlug-ataman-0 https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2005/mar/29/1

If you need any further information please contact me. I believe that Wikipedia should have the strongest sources as it is a source that is being read the most.

Best regards

Tufan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atufann (talk • contribs) 06:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Atufann Good day. Your edit was reverted because you didnt provide sources. You would add back the info as long as the info claimed is supported by independent, reliable sources (inline citations) such as from major newspapers, books or reputable journals. Please read referencing for beginners to learn how to provide inline citation. However, pls make sure you need to write the content in your own words and please do not violate copy right infringement. Kindly Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~)..Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:00, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

You may have been too quick to move page to draft

Hello,

I noticed you tried moving my page to draft but however while i was editing it seems you moved it and you may have moved the old version. Anyway i have addressed the issue of which you proded it for and still working on page. Also the article is still is mainspace and would kindly plead with you to remove the one you have in draft as it currently duplicates the existing one. ShunDream (talk) 14:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

HiShunDream Greetings. Reviewed. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:46, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reminder and please review the current draft if possible

Hello CASSIOPEIA,

Thank you for leaving me a message on my talk page reminding me of improving a new page (now Draft:2018 LSU vs. Texas A&M football game) by adding more citations/references (at least). I have added some required sources to the page such that it hopefully meets the minimum citation requirements. Almost all previous record-holding games do have their own pages so this one may meet general notability guideline. Would you kindly do a quick review of the current draft and move it back? If it is not ready, I would really appreciate some hints on how far off it is. Thanks!

J1-N9^t@lk 10:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

J1n9, Good day. Reviewed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 14:01:40, 25 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Arghavanmh

• Arghavanmh (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Peyman Rajabi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am new to creating articles on wikipedia. I want to create a page for an iranian athletics champion however it is mentioned that the references are not suitable enough. I need extra help on this regard and how I can eliminate my faults.

Thanks

Arghavanmh (talk) 14:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Arghavanmh Good day. The grey panel on the draft article has provide some info what is needed. Kindly click on the "blue highlighted text" for more info. In short, subject of an article need to meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines. The content claimed in the article need to be supported by significant coverage from independent, reliable sources (such as from major newspapers) where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in dept and not merely passing mention. Btw the subject does not meet the notability for WP:NTRACK at the present state. Sources from homepage, official web site, sources associated with the subject, user generated sites, interviews, and etc can NOT demonstrate / contribute to the notability requirements needed. Please read Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything if further clarification needed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-48

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• On wikis with translatable pages you could create a mess when you moved a page that had translatable subpages. A subpage is when you use / to create a new page: /wiki/Page/Subpage. The subpages would be moved but not the translations. The subpages are no longer automatically be moved. This is to make it safer to move pages. [4]

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• The advanced search interface will be available by default on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. It's already active on German, Farsi, Arabic and Hungarian Wikipedia. [5]
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22:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

December 2018 at Women in Red

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My Response

What I did at the Disney Fox article is not disruptive editing. I misunderstood that's all, sorry. Thanos2556 (talk) 04:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thanos2556 Greetings. OK and do make constructive edits here on. Let me know if you need further assistance. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I do make constructive edits on the Disney Fox page and on any page on Wikipedia. I didn't understand at first. Have a nice day. Don't falsely acuse people who did nothing wrong. Thanos2556 (talk) 05:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanos2556 You have done not constructive edit and that was disruptive. - see here [8]. You deleted reliable (Reuter) "sourced" content. Pls do not do that. You can update the content when new info come to light and make sure you provide inline citation. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:15, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Muhammad Ilyas Qadri

the article appears to be an over reverence and mostly edited by the ones affiliated with the person so using excessive praising points There is nothing too much to express under separate headings , it can be a brief description under one heading. Saudmujadidi (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Saudmujadidi, Greetings. As per your edit here - [9], and if you want to put it in, then pls provide independent, reliable source for verification. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 10:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Azerbaijani Turkish exonyms in Georgia moved to draftspace

So can you also move this titles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Armenian_exonyms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_exonyms and other exonyms in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_exonyms do draftsspace becouse they also need more citations from reliable, independent sources. Sebirkhan (talk)

• • And add this citation for many names, also you can see this names on Azerbaijani Vikipediya, for example you can see that Tiflis is Azerbaijani name for Tbilisi on Azerbaijani Wikipedia etc. Sebirkhan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sebirkhan Reviewed. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 18:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you very much Sebirkhan (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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/* William J. Smith */ added link to picture of William Smith from Fox News Article.

Hi CASSIOPEIA-Thanks for the message on the latest update. I'm new to wiki editing and was attempting to add a link to a picture of the latest DB Cooper suspect from The Oregonian. The picture was in the Oregonian and Fox, as well as a number of other places. A picture may not be relevant for this entry though. Users will have to Google the articles on their own if they want to see his picture. SidG887 (talk) 03:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

hi SidG887, Good day. Please note that copyrighted images can not be used in Wikipedia unless under fair use. If you the copyrighted images hodler (the one who click the camera for a photo, then you need to released the right for use. Images need to uploaded to WikiCommon prior it could be used. Pls read Wikipedia:Images and follow the links for further info. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 17:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Notifications...

In the span of about an hour, you left 34 messages on Pietro's talk page. In the future, if you're going to mass-comment or mass-move-to-draft, it may be useful not to leave more than one or two talk page messages. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 11:52, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Vermont, Greetings. Half of the messages are automatic sent by the system. The other half is to inform creator comments made on diff draft pages. thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 12:10, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

It being semi-automated doesn’t excuse 34 talk page messages. You are responsible for every edit you make with these tools. Luckily, this user isn’t new, otherwise it would have been extremely bitey and likely to cause someone to stop editing. Vermont (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I also don’t understand why you draftified all of those pages. They’re lists of museums in a given city. They don’t need sources for every entry; it links to the article. Vermont (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm also here to ask why you mass draftified those pages as well as they are lists, and well mostly well made lists at that. Praxidicae (talk) 10:45 pm, Today (UTC+8)

Hi Vermont, When a page is moved to draft the automatic message would be sent by system. it is not every entry needs to be sourced but no sources/just primary source provided is the reason for the moved. List pages do require sources just like other page - see Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists. The message is providing extra info for the creator to know what is needed and it was polite and to the point. The notifications are to inform creator I made a comment on the draft page, no "bity' intended. An experienced creator should know sources are needed. However, I do appreciate your comments. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

34 talk page messages are no where near “polite and to the point”. Regardless, you have the option to not notify a user when commenting on an AFC draft and draft offing an article. It is an option in both scripts which you did not use. In regard to the lists, yes they do need sources, but they do not need to be draftified. Vermont (talk) 15:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Vermont I dont know which script you are using. The script I upload would send automatic message to notify the creator if a page is draftified. IF a page in NPP is not meet the requirements, reviewer could draftified it - see WP:NPPDRAFT and WP:DRAFTIFY - I think we had this discussion before. A page does not support by sources means not meeting the Wikipedia requirements where The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. I am not nominated the page to be AfD or CSD or PROP, but just informing the creator to add sources and submit and it will accepted and published . I appreciate your comments ad thank you for letting me know of the above. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

In regard to the AfC comments, please see this image. Note the checkbox that allows you not to notify the submitter. With the movetodraft script, you also have the option not to leave a talk page message by blanking the suggested content and title. There is no “automatic message”. When using semi-automated tools, you are responsible for every edit you make. Vermont (talk) 15:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I would also like to know how you seem to be able to review AfC drafts in 1-3 minutes each. Notably, you reviewed and moved to mainspace Uniforms of the Italian Armed Forces about 4 minutes after finishing with the previous article you were editing. Vermont (talk) 10:09 am, Today (UTC−5)

Vermont See comments made by editors and I in NPP pages where you started a thread.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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• Small SVG images are now bigger when you see them in MediaViewer. [11]
• You can go to a section from the edit summary by clicking on the section name. Before this you had to click on the arrow. [12]
• When you jumped to a footnote that was referenced several times in an article it could be difficult to see where you were in the text. Now there are jump marks and highlights to help you find your way back. [13][14]

Changes later this week

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16:12, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

New York Red Bulls 2019 Season

Hello, the 2019 season page will be edited a lot over the next few days, with roster announcements set to be made tomorrow, along with other news throughout the week. Can you kindly approve the draft revision so others can view the page? Thanks. NYMetro96 (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi NYMetro96 Greetings to you. The current page has only primary source (source from the subject) Do provide independent reliable sources such as from major newspaper and update the sources of roster announcement (from newspapers not from the subject home page) to make the page notable. Let me know when it is done and I will review at soonest. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, all the sources for the past few years have all been from the source (team), as I only add roster changes once they have been officially announced by the team. Why would I provide sources from newspapers when sourcing a roster move by the team? Ultimately the team is the most important source, as the news comes from them. NYMetro96 (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi NYMetro96, The content needs to be sourced by independent reliable (secondary source) source which is the guidelines of Wikipedia. Official source from the subject is primary which considered unreliable and dependent. it is Not New York Red Bulls article but New York Red Bulls 2019 - so the content is related to the year 2019. So if the roaster changes, match schedules and results, and etc would be related to the year of 2019 and the sources will reflect the content added. If you would find any reliable magazines/journal/online sources, you may use that. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)

How does that make any sense? Where do you think the journalists get their information regarding roster changes from? The team. News regarding roster changes get sourced from the team itself, since they are the ones making the decisions, not the newspapers.NYMetro96 (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

NYMetro96, I understand where you coming from, the different is the journalists of newspapers write the article and publishes the piece in their newspaper (secondary source) vs a content manager of the club write the piece and place it on their web site (primary source). Do note primary source info could be use in the content but it can not demonstrate/contribute to the notability of the article. Let me know at once when you get the source up. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

This is what I have been doing for the past 3-4 years on the season pages. For roster announcements, such as options being declined, players signed, etc, I have used the team as the source for the content. For other information, such as statistics, match summaries, attendance, etc, I have used MLS as the source. If needed, I can include both the team, and a secondary source in the transfers in/out section. NYMetro96 (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello there. I added a second source next to the Tyler Adams transfer that was announced over the weekend. There are now sources from both the New York Red Bulls website, as well as ESPNFC. I will add secondary sources as well for the upcoming moves that continue to happen. Can you Kindly move from the draftspace?NYMetro96 (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

NYMetro96, Greetings. Thank you and Done. see 2019 New York Red Bulls season. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Ibrahim Sari Saraband

I was in the process of taking this to AfD, with the rationale "It appears that according to folk tales or legends that the first son of Qais Abdur Rashid was named Sarban, founder of the Sarbani. This name I can only find in a self-published book used as a reference.[15] I thought about a redirect but the name here doesn't seem a likely search."

I don't see how this article could be improved as I don't think it should exist. I don't think its creator understands our policies and guidelines. Doug Weller talk 16:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller, Greetings to you. I moved it to draft space as there was no sources provided and thought of giving the creator a chance to provide better sources so AfC reviewers could able to gauge the notability of subject. If you think it could not be improved, and want to nominator it to AfD, then do so and if anything I could help, do let me know. Thanks CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 16:48, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I'd removed the sources for the reason above. If you move it back I'll take it to AfD. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller, DONE - see here. Ibrahim Sari Saraband. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 18:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Doug Weller talk 20:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Its creator has been indefinitely blocked. His response was adults only. Doug Weller talk 15:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller Greetings. Thank you for informing and appreciate the collaboration in good will and politeness. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:17, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

You may be interested in this. Comparing this and this we have a sock or meatpuppet on our hands. Thanks for the revert. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:53, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi HickoryOughtShirt?4 Greetings to you. Thanks for informing and notice you have made the report. It is always nice to have polite fellow Wikipedians work together in good will and collaboration. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi HickoryOughtShirt?4 Well spotted - guess you already knew - see HERE. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Retrieving my sandbox back.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove Hello, I know I might being late but I ve been busy with the college. Anyways, I know I ve done a mistake by submitting my sandbox article as an official wikipedia page but all I want is retrieve it back as my sandbox personal page which I ve been working quite alot on it adding all the languages, cause it helps me getting better and helping others with it, is there a possibility to recover it ? Thank you very much for your devoted time reading this! ~mihai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarcu Mihai (talk • contribs) 19:08, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zarcu Mihai, Good day. I believe you were referring Draft:Indo European Languages Lexis Comparison draft page you created. Please see HERE where you moved the draft and ended the deletion of the draft by AnomieBOT III. Pls to go User talk:AnomieBOT and seek assistance. If the above if not what you referred to, kindly pop back here and be specific of your request for assistance. Cheers. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:36, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

My "Kai Kara-France" page

Please stop wasting my time. My original page for him was admittedly incomplete, but I was in the process of filling it in (by adding his MMA results) when you moved it to Draft. I then spent lots of time updating the Draft version (completing his MMA record), and submitting it for review (as per instructions). Then today I heard back from a reviewer, telling me that the page was good to go, and that the existing Draft page could just be moved in place of the existing "Kai Kara-France" page (which, at the time, was a redirect to "The Ultimate Fighter: Tournament of Champions" (where he competed)). So I did that.

And now you're threatening to delete the page?? WTF? Do his appearances on TUF (winning his first fight in under 30 seconds), plus his fight in Rizin, plus his UFC fight last weekend (in which he also earned a "Fight of the Night" bonus) not make him sufficiently 'notable' for Wikipedia?? Please remove the deletion notice, so I can get on with my life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsfinlayson (talk • contribs) 19:50, December 5, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, my tone here was 'angry' (for good reason), but it was far from a 'personal attack'. Let me suggest that perhaps you're being somewhat hypersensitive here? Ross Finlayson (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rsfinlayson, G'day mate. Please note one of the 5 pillars principal is be respectful and civil other other editors. Any sentences with "Fxxk" would not be a good idea especially English is your mother tongue where you have a plethora of word choices to describe and explain your disappointment, frustration and anger that your article had been dominated for deletion and CSD. . You are welcome to disagree with the nomination (It was not a threat but a nomination for deletion), all you have to do is to follow the instructions and state your case but please be civil for I dont appreciate your word of choice of your message above.

I had draftified your Kai Kara-France article and sent you a message on your talk page with the explanation why the page was draftified and advised you when to resubmit when the subject became notable - see you on your talk page Kai Kara-France moved to draftspace. I guess you did not read it or you simple did care much of my comments. You Kai Kara-France article has been deleted and it is currently redirect to The Ultimate Fighter: Tournament of Champions. Do note Kai Kara-France article has deleted before due to the same reason that the subject is not notable then - see here Kai Kara-France deletion log. The first AfD nomination was on 13 December 2016 and deletion discussion here first deletion AfD discussion, and it is still not notable today. As I have explained to you "Subject is not notable for an MMA fighter. Subject needs to have fought at least 3 fights in teir one promoter, UFC or Invictus, to pass WP:NMMA notability requirements. Pls ‎:: wait until subject has done so before resubmit".

I am familiar with MMA as I am a fan and do practice some BJJ and Muay Thai. I have been following UFC for 10 years now and I am one of the MMA editors in Wikipedia. I also understand you spent "a lot" of time writing, research finding the sources to create the article for I written about 70 MMA fighter articles in Wikipedia. Same as you, I created some no notable MMA fighter in the beginner when I first joined Wikipedia and later to find there is a WikiProject MMA page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts and WP:NMMA requirements as Wikipedia is such a huge site, with no guidance, one easy gets lose in abyss of not knowing what to do, where to find info and not knowing the guidelines and how things work in Wikipedia. The good news is that, as long as you ask politely and edit constructively, there are plenty of Wikipedians would be more than happy to help you.

‎Kai Kara-France is a good fighter and good to know another Israel Adesanya (Izzy) team mate made it to UFC. I did also watch UFN 142, Kara-France and Crute got the W for ANZ and Kara-France fought very well that day. Kara-France will be considered notable when he has fought at least 3 fights in UFC so presumably 6-8 months from now if all goes well where the fighters of match-up suffer no pre fight injury, pull out and medical suspension after a fight is min and if UFC do not cut the flyweight division. You could get the article ready in your sandbox and once the 3rd fight in UFC is finished, wait for 30-60 mins, the press will report result. Place the source in the article and and copy and paste the text on to black NPP page and press submit. If you want, you could let me know if you are going to do so, and I will review it immediately for you to get the page up in Wikipedia mainspace. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism - what can ordinary user do?

Hi Cassiopeia,

I have a query - just looking for good ideas, please.

One of the wiki pages that I have created keeps getting changed, with some proven facts and their associated citations being deleted and other mis-information being added. This person has attacked my work in real life too, so I know that the changes are not in good faith - they are vandalism.

Apart from reversing the untrue edits when I spot them, is there anything else I can do? I've checked my facts and my citations very carefully, and it upsets me to see them corrupted. SurveyorMJF (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi SurveyorMJF G'day mate. First of could you pls tell me which said article above? secondly pls provide the history diff and also if possible the user name/IP address, so I could understand the nature of the edits a little better to advise you more specific solution at hand.

1. Please make yourself familiar what constitutes a vandalism, disruptive and good faith edit - see hare Wikipedia:Vandalism.
2. The vandalized editor could be warned by using Wikipedia:Twinkle, see here to set your Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences.
3. Warning will be set at level one initially and with subsequent warning the level will increase. Once the editor is warned for more than 4 times, you can report the editor to WP:AIV.
4. If the edits are conflict of content inclusion or disagreements, then invite the editor and bring the discussion to the article talk page and try to solve the issue there.
5. Pls note not to revert more than 3 times WP:3RR within 24 hrs on the same article unless they are vandalized edits.

Cheers and let me know what else I wold help. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 06:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so fast. And thanks for the good advice - I'll study it carefully. When the problem happens again I'll get back to you with details of the page etc. Is OK for the present. SurveyorMJF (talk) 21:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Page Protection Request before Major UFC Event starts

I think is a good idea to request for temporary page protection before major UFC Event (ex. UFC 2xx) starts and all fighters that were on Main Event and Co-Main Event. During the event - It seem to get vandisimed quickly every few minutes and cause edit conflict with good faith edits. Is it good? Colton Meltzer (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Colton Meltzer, Greetings to you. It is common for UFC fight ship events (ex. UFC 2xx) and the main card fighters' articles be vandalized especially by the IP editors during the fights and right after the events for the next 3-7 days. The page protection is usually set for 3-7 days after it is reported but some big events such as UFC 229, the page is protected for 3 months after the event. The request for semi-temporary page protection (RPP) could only be requested after (and not preamptive even we know the page would most likely be vandalized) many vandalized edits (like after 5 vandalized edits are made by multiple editors) - you could request the page to be protected at WP:RPP. If the same editor makes more than 4 vandalized edits then you could report the editor to WP:AIV. Pls see the above message title "Vandalism - what can ordinary user do?" for further information. I usually would RPP during the UFC events if the pages are vandalized, but for some (not all) smaller events (ex UFN 1xx), most edits are constructive. For some fighters' articles with very frequent and huge vandalized/disruptive edits, those pages would be semi-protected indefinitely such as Mark Hunt, Conor McGregor, Gegard Mousasi and etc (there are many different type of page protections). Let me know if anything else I could help. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:12, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Yea you already saw UFC <200 to 231 all vandalized within minutes during event. I will find a way to have protected before event starts for UFC 232 to reduce edit disruption. Colton Meltzer (talk) 10:02, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Colton Meltzer, UFC flagship events have always been vandalized even before UFC 200, that same with all the major sport events. Any articles in Wikipedia can be temporary protected if the pages are vandalized by multiple editors. How long the pages are protected and what type of protection given will be subject to the admin who protect the pages decision based on the nature, frequency of the vandalized edits and how many times the pages have been protected before.

One (bundle) of the admins' tasks is to weight on if delete, protect and block should be apply vandalized editors when distributive edits on a page. There have been propose for non-admin to have the semi-page protection right five months ago, but the proposal was not successful - see here User-right that allows non-admins to Semi-protect pages.

If a page vandalised by multiple editors when the page will be protected, but if a page vandalized by one of two editors with many vandalised edits then the vandalised editors will be blocked, and if the vandalised edits is heavily obscene/ derogatory in nature and etc, admins would delete/hide the edits from viewing. Do note, most of the admins reside in North America and UFC events are always scheduled on Saturdays around 6/7pm-1am Easter Standard Time, since all adimns are volunteers, most of them are not online during that time and when a page is reported, (note: not all admins work on vandalism /page protection as there are many other tasks in Wikipedia which need admins to take care) it might take a little while before the page is protected. (I have requested UFC events to be protected and the page only get protected after the events have finished - that happen a few times).

I am not sure how and what is in your mind to get the page protected without the prove of the page has been vandalized by multiple editors. If anyone using different IP addresses either static or dynamic (home/school/company/mobile) to vandalise a page, they will be blocked and if the vandalized editor uses multiple IP address to vandalized the page, they will be banned indefinitely and account creation will be blocked as well - see WP:SOCKS and at times, admins will apply range IP addresses block as well. My advise to you is to revert the edit using Twinkle and give warning to the vandalized editors, when the page has be heavily vandalized, (if the page is not heavily vandalised/spammed with advertising by multiple editors and no vandalism occur after RPP is requested, the page will NOT be protected) then request for page protect. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 12:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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Happy New Year to you too

	Happy New Year
	Hi Cassiopeia, Many thanks for your wishes, and here's wishing the same to you and your loved ones. Hope you have a wonderful, fruitful and prosperous year ahead.Vinvibes (talk) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Happy New Year to you

That is a wonderful surprise. How cool, thank you very much, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you two too! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:21, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi ToBeFree thank you. see you at Huggle :). CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 20:24, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

UFC on ESPN 1 Announced bouts

Cain Velasquez vs Francis Ngannou was an announced fight, that's why I put the information with the respective reference cite, on the "Announced Bouts" section; for some reason you didn't notice it, but I didn't put it on the "Official Fight Card" box.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.239.92.249 (talk) 18:10, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

Hi 177.239.92.249, Greetings to you. You put it in the "Announced bout" section is noted. The bout has not be official confirmed but it is in work - see here your source - [19] as of hist diff here - [20] (and I have checked as of now it is still in work). So it could not be placed in the announced bout yet. Wait for a little while and when it is official then put it back in with new source. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Isotropy representation

What is the concern that you have on the article? If you’re more specific, I can address it. (Obviously putting a unneeded tag is an abuse of the tag). —- Taku (talk) 13:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata Greetings to you. I had sent you a message and explained the above. It is not about whether the subject is notable or the sources are not provided. It is a technical piece. Most of the reviewers are not Maths experts and even with the sources provided we would not know what the content claimed (all the formula and proves) is as per the sources. Tag is just to invite Maths expert editor/reviewer to have a look at the article. That is all. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)

But which editor do you specifically want to review the article? I’m probably one of the so-called experts editors. Could you be more specific about, for example, what type of a reference you need to see? Please note “expert tag” is needed when there is a “specific” not general need for the review. Putting the tag when there is no need is an abuse of the tag (and I have to remove it again). —- Taku (talk) 13:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata Hi, when it is tagged, if I am not mistaken, it will shown on the Maths WikiProject or Maths related project. I believe you are a maths expert. All pages on NPP will need to go through review and when it is accepted, then it will appear in the Wikipedia main space and it would be search from the search engine. We the reviewers usually would review the pages we feel the subject we are comfortable/familiar with. I came across your article, and I didnt not review it and invite those who are subject matter reviewer to have a look. To tag such is not to say the content claimed is wrong or false as we have no idea since we are not the subject matter expert. Just as we tag more categories needed and links needed etc, is a way to invite other editors to help out if they know which categories or links should be placed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)

Thank you for the explanation. But I’m afraid you’re using the tag in a wrong way. To quote from the tag: “Please add a reason or a talk parameter to this template to explain the issue with the to review the article. WikiProject Mathematics may be able to help recruit an expert.” That is, the tag is an indication there is a specific concern with article, not a general need for the review since all the articles in Wikipedia need to be under constant reviews and you don’t have to put a tag. I completely understand you felt technical articles need to be reviewed by those with technical backgrounds. This tag is not a way for that purpose. (I will be removing the tag again). — Taku (talk) 13:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I think what helps the review by technical editors is give more exposure by for example adding some links. This way the new articles get noticed by some other math editors. I don’t think there is a specific tag that can be used to ask for a general (as opposed to specific) review. Maybe there should be one. —— Taku (talk) 13:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata Hi, Thank you for your understanding. The things is we do not know if there is a specific concern as we have no idea what the proves or formula means. To tag such is a friendly invite for collaboration to get the page quickly review, instead it might sit there for a long time and no reviewers want to review it as most of us dont understand the content. Please do not misunderstand that we are aiming at you at your expertise but to help your article speedily get reviewed.

TakuyaMurata "I think what helps the review by technical editors and get more exposure" - I agree with you, the thing is that we have not many reviewers as compare to daily hundreds of article submitted either through NPP (4.5 thousand articles thousand waiting for review) or AfC (4-5 weeks backlog), and we are constantly trying to catch up. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 13:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

But if you do not have a specific concern, you cannot use that tag. The tag is not supposed to use to ask for a general review. Since it is a wrong tag to be put, I need to remove it. It’s like your putting “copyvio” tag because you don’t known if it is a copyright violation or not. That’s a wrong use: because you need to know there is an issue. You need to specify the issue before you use the tag. —- Taku (talk) 14:05, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata I am trying to help you to get the article get it review quicker instead it might have to wait for long time to get it reviewed. Your choice. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I don’t know what you mean by “review” (in fact, I’m the editors who do the reviews). These articles do get reviewed without the tags. I’m not waiting for anything. I’m explaining you that you’re using the tag in a wrong way; like putting “copyvio” tag there is no copyright violation. —- Taku (talk) 14:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata To tag a page copyvio is diff as Wikipedia take it very seriously for it entails legal issue. As I say, I am trying to help, if you dont want the page to be informed so it would be reviewed quickly to check the contained claimed is as per sources and it is notable and willing it to sit in waiting, so be it.thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

: I have asked the Wikipedia project math for the review: see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#Isotropy_representation. Hopefully this will resolve an “issue”. —- Taku (talk) 14:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata OK. Hope the article would be reviewed and could be searched from search engines soon. Thank you for your contribution. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:22, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

“searched from search engines soon”. I don’t understand what you mean by this at all. I’m not concerned about the search engine. Maybe you’re thinking about AfC? I’m not waiting for acceptance into mainspace; i’m merely pointing out the wrong use of the tag. —- Taku (talk) 14:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

TakuyaMurata Normally we tag such go invite the subject expert to look into the matter and you could disagree with it as it is your choice if you want to remove it. All new pages created go through a process of review/patrol. Before the articles are reviewed, Google isn't permitted to index them as a way to stop spammers trying to promote their favourite subject on search engines, and provide some quality control. However after the page is reviewed, Wikipedia has no control when Google index the page. There are currently 4.5 thousands such pages awaiting 'patrolling/reviewing' by a small group of experienced volunteers, and the review process can take between a few minutes for straight-forward pages to a few months for those are not that straight forward articles. Since you dont care if the page is indexed and you have requested your page to be looked into and you want to remove the tag. All is all then. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, ok. Maybe I finally understand what you meant by “patrolling/reviewing” and what you meant when you said you want to speed up the review process. No I’m not interested in “the article gets patrolled”: I only wanted to point out the “expert tag” is the wrong tag to use. In fact, I don’t think a math editor such as myself can get “the article patrolled”. —- Taku (talk) 15:22, 14 December 2018 (UTC)"

TakuyaMurata Ok, if you know a better tag to use then let me know besides what is it designed for. I dont understand what you meant "by I don’t think a math editor such as myself can get "the article patrolled"" as all new pages need to go through the process. when a new page is too technical such as it related to maths, physics, engineering with content full of formulas, proves, equations, then we get the expert to look into it and if we understand what is the specific issues, then we understand the content but we dont. It is not reflect the content is wrong and mainly invite who know the subject to look into it and get it reviewed or else it will just sits in waiting. If you disagree with the tag and dont want the help that is ok by me. Anyway, all is all here as you have get your points across and so did I and all has been discussed. Have a good night. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi CASSIOPEIA--I came here from a note posted at WP:MATH. Thanks for patrolling the new pages and for taking on pages with difficult subject matter. I understand why you placed the tag, but I also understand Taku's objections. To us math/quantitative science editors, the "needs attention" tag is understood as a passive/aggressive way to say "this article is seriously fouled up and needs a rewrite". I know this wasn't your intention and unfortunately that difference in tag interpretation led to this discussion. It seems like what we need is a tag that says "This is a new page and has not been reviewed for the accuracy of the technical content." Perhaps this could be turned into a new tag, or at least added to the talk parameter of the template like so:

{{|expert needed|mathematics|new page needs a content review|talk=This is a new page and has not been reviewed for the accuracy of the technical content. Knowledgeable subject experts are welcomed to give it a look-over and remove the tag if it looks fine.}}

In fact, I have looked over the article and it looks fine to me, so I'll remove the tag; please revert if you think my removal premature. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mark viking Greetings to you. Thank you for taking the time to review the content claimed as per source provided in the article. The tag I placed did ask for expert to review the article (but not in such a detail info as per yours), may be you/other editors could not see the review tool on the right side of the page (only visible to reviewers) for such, it might not clear to others the article has not been reviewed. Secondly, I did indicated the subject is technical in nature to Takuya Murata and we the reviewers, most of us, would not understand the content let alone to review it, for such we invite the expert for assistance and it is not a passive/aggressive indication a fouled is made. Once again thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 19:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

It's not all that technical. It's certainly something that gets mentioned in passing in math classes, and appears in various guises in assorted books. If there are future concerns, possibly its just easiest to bring them to the attention of the folks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics who can easily deal with this stuff. BTW, Taku has been a reliable editor here for maybe a decade now. I've gotten to read, update and correct more than a couple articles that he's written. 67.198.37.16 (talk) 00:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

About Lucy Pudilova wiki page

According to the tweet she posted just now you have to fix all the issues and remove the term "bullet" from her wiki page.Thank you

https://twitter.com/lucie_pudilova/status/1073566500848570368 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8610:4100:E146:2D45:19F3:1760 (talk) 13:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

2A02:2149:8610:4100:E146:2D45:19F3:1760 Greetings to you. Thank you for the info above. First of all, pls put a brief info on the edit summary next time and if have to put the URL as well so we could check the info. Secondly, I remove the Lucie nick name the existing source does not indicate such. I have placed a hidden text on the nick name section to inform other editor of such changes with URL provided. Thank you and happy editing. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018

Hello Cassiopeia,

Reviewer of the Year

This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.

Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.

Training video

Due to a number of changes having been made to the feed since this three-minute video was created, we have been asked by the WMF for feedback on the video with a view to getting it brought up to date to reflect the new features of the system. Please leave your comments here, particularly mentioning how helpful you find it for new reviewers.

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