Chadlawrencenielsen

January 2013

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August 2013

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June 2023

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Hymns in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints into another page. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. Yeeno (talk) 07:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Your edit to Latter-day Saint Hymns (1927) has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. I've redirected the page to Hymns in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#1927 hymnal due to the copyright issue. Feel free to rewrite the page without copying the source material, and credit other editors whose material you are moving to the new page (See WP:Copying within Wikipedia for more info). Make sure the topic is notable and it would make sense to split that material from Hymns in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thanks. ~UN6892 ^t_c 16:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I am the author of the Times and Seasons post that shared wording. I have updated the post to say that: "The text of this post is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License". Given that as the case, can the Wikipedia article be restored?

See https://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2023/04/the-1927-latter-day-saint-hymns/ Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Username6892 Just tagging you in the thread in case you aren't notified of my response (sorry if you are already notified- I'm still learning how this works) Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Chad, the ping worked. I see the material is no longer a copyright violation because you've licensed it under CC-BY-SA 3.0. Given that we try to abide by copyright law and impersonation is possible, we were not able to assume you were the author of the work at the time I removed the copied material. Given it is your own work and you have declared a COI, it would now be fine to copy like that as long as you declare it at the bottom of the article with {{CCBYSASource}} and follow the instructions here.

As the author of a source, you have a conflict of interest. You've declared that now, so the relevant guideline would be WP:SELFCITE (citing yourself). The source must be considered reliable and you must not use your source excessively. Your source was the bulk of the previous version of the article so I would argue it would be considered excessive. I am not sure how reliable the site is, but if there is no check by an editorial team before publication, it is definitely not reliable by our definition. ~UN6892 ^t_c 21:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you for the guidance. In the future, I will focus more on citing the sources and not overlapping as much with work I've shared elsewhere. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 00:24, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I also found some copyrright content in ¿Por qué somos?. Please don't add copyright material to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

What copyright material was there? Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

The Times and Seasons material is my own. I made it clear in the comments section that I approve all use of my material in that Wikipedia article. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

It was a similar situation for the 1927 hymnbook as well. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I apologize if I've misunderstood copyright law, but understood that, as the copyright holder, that the intellectual property could be released with my consent. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 16:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I am working on adding a notification to the Times and Seasons pages that: "The text of this post is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License" Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 16:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I added it to all related posts. It might be a few hours on the older posts before it shows up. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Diannaa Can you please clarify in response to my comments? I want to do this right, but I'm confused about what else I need to do at this point to make copyright a non-issue from previous work that I've done on the subject so that the second that have been removed can be restored. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:22, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

section, not second. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:22, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Or you can just find reliable, secondary sources, instead of your own blog posts. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The main reason I've used stuff from the blog is that it was already in my own words (I am still learning about how copyright works, so the focus of the conversation is how to make that a non-issue). There isn't a publicly available English translation at this time, which is why I used my own. And I have cited the sources that are available where I can. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, on Wikipedia you need to cite independent, secondary sources. Drmies (talk) 01:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Again, as I said, I have done that (and have had to re-add some of them because they were deleted). Why I added the citation to the posts was to try and clarify any language that I used from them. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I have removed all citations to the blog on this page. All citations are from independent sources. What I am trying to understand is what needs to happen to use my own words on the Wikipedia page. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Manchester Hymnal

Thanks for your edits to Manchester Hymnal! I work at the BYU Library and I'm happy to help you learn more about editing if you'd like. I've been wanting to add more info from Hicks's book to Wikipedia but other people keep checking it out. The Manchester Hymnal is so important to the development of Mormon poetry. This is going to sound completely counterintuitive, but Wikipedia prefers secondary sources. Basically, it doesn't trust random editors to interpret primary sources. You went to all that work to find the Joseph Smith Papers sources--let's keep them in but try to get some secondary sources to accompany them. Would you like help with that? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind help with that. I think a lot of it will be the Hicks book and some related articles by him, as well as the Emma Smith biography (Mormon Enigma). It might be a few days before I have some good opportunities to dig into it, though. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I added references to a Michael Hicks article that contained the relevant info for most of the primary sources used. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh, nice work! Sorry for disappearing for a week.

Do you have any interest in learning how to use citation templates? They can help organize the information in references so you don't have to worry about formatting. It also makes re-using a citation easier. If you are in the source editor, there is a little "cite" button that brings down a "templates" button you can use to bring up a fill-in-the-blank form that will put the information into a template. If you are in Visual editor, the quote button brings up the menu to add a citation using a citation template. Using citation templates isn't required, but it can make Wikipedia editing more convenient.

My team here at the library has a few other projects we're working on right now, but I will add the Manchester Hymnal to our worklist. There are still some unsourced sections that I want to try to find sources for. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

That might be nice on the citations. I've had some struggles making out work consistently, but that's probably user error of some sort.

I am going to work on the Psalmody section to add some references (and will try out your recommendation). Are there other sections that you feel need something added for references still? Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 05:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

When I'm looking at a page and checking it for references, I think of each paragraph as a separate unit. So if there's a sentence at the end of a paragraph without an in-line citation, I consider it uncited, even if the upcoming citation in the next paragraph covers it. This is partially for convenience in crowd-sourced editing, where it's common for someone to just add a sentence at the end of a paragraph without citing anything. But it's also kind of a personal style thing, so I don't want to impose my preferences on you. The content guideline for text-source integrity has a good baseline that most editors agree on. The reason the Manchester Hymnal came up in my research is because I was working on the Brigham Young page and it came up. So if/when I get around to it, I'll add more information about the publishing history, because that part is interesting to me. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Just saw that you added more information about the initial publication! awesome! sentences like "The Manchester hymnbook would go on to serve as the Church's official hymnbook for eighty-seven years—longer than any other hymnal in its history" are good connective tissue in normal writing, but sometimes they can be difficult to find a citation for. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that you've been editing in other Mormon studies topics. I moderate the Association for Mormon Letters Discord and we have a channel where we take our Wikipedia questions (half the time it's just me with research questions). I'd be happy to add you if you are interested! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Ken just added me to that Discord a couple weeks ago. Let me see if I have access to that channel already. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Kent, sorry, not Ken. Missed a letter there. Chadlawrencenielsen (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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