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Nomination of EvAngelos Frudakis for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article EvAngelos Frudakis is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EvAngelos Frudakis until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DGG ( talk ) 01:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You may have a conflict of interest

Cher Skoubo, Skoubo Graphics, the company you appear to operate by linking to Website: http://www.skoubographics.com on your user page is listed as responsible for http://www.zenosfrudakis.com/ per "Website by Cher Skoubo, Skoubo Graphics". You claim to be in contact with the family of Evangelos Frudakis in this edit [1]: his family told me that the listing should be his full name as this is how he signs his sculpture. Based on this, I think you have a conflict of interest that you need to declare. Please see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure Vexations (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Your contributed article, EvAngelos William Frudakis

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, EvAngelos William Frudakis. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – EvAngelos Frudakis. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at EvAngelos Frudakis. If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at the article's talk page.

If you think the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Please do not make two identical articles! It creates extra work when discovered. Also, it appears you have a conflict of interest that needs to be disclosed. Were you paid to create these articles?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020

You still have not responded or taken action to the inquiry regarding your appearance as an undisclosed paid editor. If you make any additional edits without complying you may be blocked from editing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks so much for your advice. Cher Skoubo (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing at AFD

@Cher Skuobo: you are being disruptive at this AfD by posting repeatedly. You are a paid editor and need to be reserved in your contrinbutions and not disruptive, per WP:COITALK: "Paid editors must respect the volunteer nature of the project and keep discussions concise." We know you would like this article to be kept. You do not need to keep repeating your position. Also, when you being your comments in bold with your name it is meaningless. what you want at the beginning of those items is "Comment" in bold, not your name.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: I am simply trying to address issues, concerns, regulations, etc. I only wish to respect these and understand what you want for me to comply. I am sorry if this is not appropriate. Thanks for your advice.Cher Skoubo (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

It is not appropriate, and disruptive editing can lead to you being blocked.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Your COI

Cher Skoubo, It seems you still do not understand the guidelines and policies regarding Conflict of Interest editing, and especially in relation to PAID COI editing. You need to re-read and deeply comprehend ALL of the information located here: WP:COI and here: WP:PAID.

You must STOP editing Zeno Frudakis, Conrad O'Brien-ffrench, EvAngelos Frudakis, and any articles associated with them such as those on their artworks, businesses, residences, activities, etc. and start using "request edit". If someone was your teacher (O'Brien-ffrench), or friend or family, and did not compensate you, then you have a COI. If you are being compensated in any way by a "small payment", "donation", in-kind service, favor, salary, stipend, etc. then you have a PAID COI.

1. you need to place a disclosure on your USER page (not your user talk page). I know you know the difference because you recently edited both of these. It should go up at the top of your USER page. Use the template is located at WP:UPE. You need to include who you are being paid by, and all of the articles with which you have a PAID and/or UNPAID conflict of interest.

2. you must add templates to the Talk pages of all articles you edit with with you have a PAID or an UNPAID Conflict of Interest, note they are two different templates. You will find them both on the WP:COI page in the section on disclosure.

3. you need to state in your edit summaries that you are a COI editor.

4. you need to STOP EDITING any articles with which you have a COI, and instead post a "request edit" on the talk page of the article, and another ininvolved editor will eventually make the edit (or not). Note that there is a backlog so this can take some time. The only edits you are allowed to make are very small edits like adding a comma or fixing a typo, and you need to write an edit summary when you make the edit.

5. if you want to create a new article you must do so through Articles for Creation WP:AfC and disclose if you have a COI with the article subject.

It may be difficult for you to understand, but the editors who have been notifying you of these matters are actually trying to warn you so that you don't get blocked or banned from the site. Wikipedia takes COI editing seriously, and you should too. These policies exist to maintain the integrity of the encyclopedia and are not punitive but rather preventative. I hope that this helps to clarify these issues. Best wishes, The Netherzone (talk) 18:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Cher Skoubo FYI, you need to spell the names of the articles correctly in the COI template on your user page, so that they are clickable links. Two of them are spelled incorrectly. You should add any related articles on artworks, places of residence, etc., therefore there are still some additional ones to add to the template. Thank you. The Netherzone (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Netherzone Thanks for your advice as you have been helpful. Corrected the spelling. What other articles are you referring to? The ones listed are the only two paid. I created other volunteer content approximately ten years ago. It was non-paid and not related. According to the guidelines I do not see a conflict of interest. Trying to comply. Do I list other people's articles that are related to the paid articles? Cher Skoubo (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Netherzone I see in the page discussion for EvAngelos Frudakis: "Draftify I have the sense that he may be notable, based on the many public monuments created. (eg Kennedy bust in front of Nashua town hall). However this also appears to be paid editing and should be draftified and then run through AFC." I cannot find it. I do not know about this page or who created it. It was not me. Cher Skoubo (talk) 04:14, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Cher Skoubo I did not write that comment, you should ask the editor who wrote that in the discussion directly. You did indeed create the EvAngelos Frudakis article; according to the article history and your article creation history; and you have a PAID COI no matter how modest the compensation.

Netherzone I was asked not to ask any more questions in the discussion. Do you think it is OK to ask about the other page as I do not know what they are talking about. I did write the article on EvAngelos Frudakis but was not able to finish it. I will ask at the locations you suggested as I am trying to learn what the correct procedure is. If possible, I could offer more to the editors and they can decide what they want. I also have other good references that I researched if they are interested in quality sources.

If you are confused as to what "Draftify" means and if that is what the discussion closer determines as the outcome: the article goes back to Draft space (meaning it will not reside in the live encyclopedia space.) I'm not entirely sure if you can continue to work on it there or if it has to be unconnected editors, but you could ask about that at the Teahouse or the Help Desk. Either way, a Draft article is allowed to exist for (I think) six months for improvements and would have to be run through Articles for Creation.

On another topic, I see you created the Denver Millennium Bridge and very nice photos by the way. If you were not compensated for this work or were not connected to it through employment directly or indirectly, then you don't have a COI or a PAID COI with that article. You have some great editing skills, and I hope you continue to create and edit articles on subjects you are not connected with. And if you do continue to COI/PAIDCOI edit, you must follow the procedures laid out above and in the policies linked therein. Netherzone (talk) 13:20, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Netherzone Thanks for your comments and assistance. I was not paid and do not have any connection with the Denver Millennium Bridge other than creating the content. As you can see, I do not contribute a lot to Wikipedia but appreciate Wikipedia and was hoping to be able to offer some content. I have a background in creating educational content where quality sourcing is critical. I usually work with a team of editors, producers, educators and often non-profits such as historic organizations, associations, museums, etc. Research and creating educational content is something that I love to do. I apologize for anything that I did in this space that was not appropriate. Your assistance has been most helpful (I also like the content you have created). While I accepted a payment for the two articles I am not going to do that in the future. I will follow procedures where there is COI and welcome the team of editors that work together to create content of encyclopedic standards. This is more important now than ever. Thanks again. Cher Skoubo (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Netherzone (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

EvAngelos Frudakis moved to draftspace

Hi Cher Skoubo! I have moved this page to the draftspace per the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EvAngelos Frudakis. See WP:AFC and WP:DRAFT for explanations of the draftspace. It is a place that will allow you to work on the article some more. You can submit the article for review when you feel it is shown to be notable. See WP:PAID for guidelines on how to disclose that you have been paid to work on this article. Don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it, The best place to ask would likely be at the teahouse.

@Cher Skoubo:, I see that the AfD closing administrator, User:Eddie 891, left you a message regarding the Draft EvAngelos Frudakis. Please let me know if you have any questions, and if I know the answer (or where to look for it), just reach out. Eddie left you four helpful links above.

If you want to continue to improve the article while it is in Draft Space, I'd recommend starting with two new sections on Collections and Public Art to establish notability. Other editors can jump in and help also, myself included.

The criteria for a notable artist can be found here: WP:ARTIST. I think his public works and museum collections (private ones don't count) will fulfill criteria #4 if you can add inline citations for each to a high-quality, verifiable WP:V Reliable Source WP:RS that proves the work is in that collection or is a permanent public art work. Try to cover as many of the four criteria as possible, but you don't need to fulfill all of them. Reviews, articles or books others have written about his work will help.

If it passes review at AfC, and is moved into the Encyclopedia Space, you will then have to use the Edit Request Wizard to make further changes. Netherzone (talk) 14:22, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone:, Thanks so much for your comments. They have been most helpful. I will read this information, go to links and follow guidelines. I have returned the money to the family as I do not want to be paid. The artist is not a client and he is dead. Is it OK to change the emblem to COI instead of COIP? Thanks again.74.109.5.122 (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm guessing this anonymous IP editor is Cher Skoubo? If so, please log in. I don't know the answer to your question, you may want to ask at WP:COIN or at WP:TEAHOUSE. Netherzone (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Yikes. Trying to do things right. OK. will check at other locations. Thanks. Cher Skoubo (talk) 01:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Concern regarding Draft:EvAngelos Frudakis

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Your draft article, Draft:EvAngelos Frudakis

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:EvAngelos Frudakis

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

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