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Please. Sorry I'm late.
Sorry, I'm late to tell you that Cher Lloyd has already said about the track listing, second single and release date, and the album cover is already available on iTunes. WTF why are you the hell admin-protecting the Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album) page? I know you purposely put the freaking expiry date as 17 April, the release date. Please. Pulses, this album by Karmin, already has its own page when the studio album is released on March 25. Yeah, I know that date is coming, but this page is already there since December 2013, dude. Please. Thanks. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 10:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for contacting me. I protected Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album) due to repeated recreations. In essence, a community discussion took place which resulted in consensus to redirect this article to the existing section within the Cher Lloyd article. (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album)) Overall, notability is not yet established in accordance with the general notability guidelines or the topical notability guidelines for albums. (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums) Note that this is not the end of the road. If you have significant new information has come to light since the deletion (or redirect in this case) which would justify recreating the deleted page, you can request undeletion at this link. (PS: I like your opening "Sorry, I'm late to tell you". Clever.) Best regards, Cindy(talk) 19:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know, Cindamuse. However, it is already going to come out! I mean, I know about that AfD page already, as I commented on it, so....
- And, what do you mean by "repeated recreation"? It was only wanted to be re-created ONCE, and it's by an IP who hadn't done editing the page. If you don't believe me, you can go to iTunes US and you could see that if you search "Sorry I'm Late Cher Lloyd", the album cover is ready and the track listing is already there! So I really don't get the fuss over this thing. If only Cher Lloyd has her own Wikipedia account so that she do not even need to cite a single source as it is her own album and then all the editors will shut up. And, the links you give me on the Wikipedia guidelines and whatever, I've never read them once 'cause I'm just tooooo lazy. Anyway, if this is the case, I will wait and please you by not doing anything. Happy? Not wanting to be rude. The reason I'm saying this is because, on what User:Livelikemusic said on the AfD page, "I Wish" did not cause too much impact on UK or US. I just want to say- yeah, just US and UK. Ever spared a thought to other countries? Technology live around us, anyone can use the computer and go to English Wikipedia to search for this album, and if I were in the shoes of the readers, I would be very disappointed at the sight of a redirect. You see? (I'm scolding Livelikemusic, not you, but whatever. Scolded him/her so many times already because I just really hate him/her for no reason.) And, by the way, can you please use the {{talkback}} template and leave it on my talk page so that I will know? You replied here so secretly that I almost forgot all about it. I hope that you can understand. And, the second single of the album, "Sirens", is already released but the page is still blank and is a redirect. Just wanna ask if I can go create the page. PLEASE. The official cover is hardly found, but if you go to Cher Lloyd's official YouTube account, CherLloydVEVO, the audio is already uploaded and the official cover is there already. Problem is, can't find that image on Google Images, so I don't know what to do. I cannot copy and paste the video, that will be very weird. So, any suggestions? (P.S. sorry for my super long comment)--Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 07:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC) Remember to put the TB template (Talkback) or else, heh heh heh. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 07:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Nahnah4: Mere existence does not equate to notability. In all sincerity, if you are "toooo lazy" to read the guidelines, I am unable to help you further. Deletion review is thataway → WP:DRV. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 18:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I am quite disgusted that I am being personally attacked by a user, which is a clear violation of Wiki policy. And as an administrator, I would expect you to warn them against doing so. It's crude and shows lack of maturity from an editor, and a bit a lack of executive from an admin. User is clearly unable to adhere to many other Wiki policies, etc. I'm disappointed once again. And to note, the cover on iTunes is not the official album cover; it's the promotional cover until fans unveil the true cover. livelikemusic my talk page! 22:03, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- There is nothing in the statement made by the editor above that reflects a personal attack. There may be borderline civility concerns and they may not like you much (or me, for that matter), but this doesn't rise to an attack. If you have a dispute, you may consider seeking assistance at WP:DR. Cindy(talk) 22:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- Well it sure felt as a personal attack to me and you cannot define what isn't felt as a personal attack against me. It's a negative comment towards me, and I may definitely bring it up. It's also alarming you did not guide them to not make such comments, as you're supposed to comment on MATERIAL and EDITS, not the editor themselves. And they failed to do so. livelikemusic my talk page! 23:14, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I can understand how their comments may have felt like a personal attack. I'm sure it must be very frustrating. In all sincerity, I didn't much care for the "dude" reference, when it is very clear that I am a "chick". However, while "dude" may irk me, it actually just made me smile. They also said "WTF why are you the hell admin...", but I chose to ignore that as an emotional response. We all respond in our own way that may not correlate to the communication manners and means of others. I have enough grace in my life to go around. Sure, the editor spoke negatively. And your name was brought up in the conversation. However, they were speaking of their own feelings. Who am I to negate their feelings? That is not my role here. My response was simply to identify their concerns, address them, and point them in the right direction. There is more than enough conflict on Wikipedia to go around. One way to better manage our emotions and reactions is to weigh the validity to the concern and respond accordingly. We need to choose our battles carefully. Honestly, there was (is) nothing here that rises to the point of personal attack (as defined by the community) that warrants greater concern, warning, or admonishment. Again, if you have a dispute with this editor, I recommend dispute resolution. Cindy(talk) 23:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Livelikemusic: Okay, fine Livelikemusic. I'll stop. Happy? Okay, I will not say bad things about you anymore, I promise. But I have a feeling that you hate me too (I don't know, just guessing). And, BTW, I did not know you are an admin. I'll stop disturbing or irking you, whatever. However, I already sent a Barnstar to you as a token before. Sorry for everything. And, furthermore, when we first met, you are like repeatedly deleting the page and putting a redirect while I keep reverting, for some reason, it felt like a personal attack to me too. And, when I uploaded some photos, till today I still don't get why you wanted to nominate speedy deletion for them. (Especially the picture on Taylor Swift's "Breathe".)All this what you did felt like an attack on me like you're irking me. One more- whenever I leave a message on your talk page, most of the time you would just delete it without any further explanation in your edit summary. Why is that so? Even when someone said about the Days of Our Lives thing, I told the user I think that it is meant to be Capital, but you deleted the whole thing too. I felt so disappointed that you did that, as if like you're hating me permanently. And, once again, MOST. I know it's not all, I understand. And don't call this cyberbullying as I already apologised to you about it. If you don't believe me, don't worry, be happy. I will confirm - I will never irk, provoke or backstab you anymore. At least, let's just understand and stop. Cheers!-Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 04:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Cindamuse: I thought I told you to put the talkback template, but you didn't put it, but not that I mind though. And, what about the Sirens thing? I'm quite ignorant, I know that, but just asking so that I won't end up in a dispute resolution or AfD page or whatever. And I'm sorry to say the WTF thing as that time I was in a bad mood. I already said that I did not mean to be rude, and that's true. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 04:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- Livelikemusic is not actually an administrator, they were referring to my role as an administrator. I rarely use TBs, since the system automatically alerts you when someone mentions your username, i.e., the "ping". Note that it is redundant to use the feature on someone's talk page. As far as creating an article for the song, it hasn't been deleted previously through community discussion, so I see no blatant reason why you could not draft the article. That said, please make sure to establish notability through significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. See also WP:NALBUMS. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 05:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- Anyway, don't take it to the heart, people. I will be more friendly from this day onwards. I hope you understand. Since Cindamuse is an admin, just wanna ask - Can I change my username? Just want to change it. If it can't, too bad, but I'll see. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 05:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Cindamuse: So, are you gonna deactivate the admin-only lock? I'll promise there will be good sources and whatsoever. In addition, "The Hunting Party", a studio album from Linkin Park, is out on June and the page is already there, with no admin-only lock. So I hope you can deactivate the lock. And I'm still awaiting your response on the Sirens thing. (P.S. yeah, I expect you to use the talkback template and you said things like the ping. Problem is, you did not even ping me and how am I gonna know?) I hope you understand. Cheers! --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 08:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- Anyway, don't take it to the heart, people. I will be more friendly from this day onwards. I hope you understand. Since Cindamuse is an admin, just wanna ask - Can I change my username? Just want to change it. If it can't, too bad, but I'll see. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 05:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- Livelikemusic is not actually an administrator, they were referring to my role as an administrator. I rarely use TBs, since the system automatically alerts you when someone mentions your username, i.e., the "ping". Note that it is redundant to use the feature on someone's talk page. As far as creating an article for the song, it hasn't been deleted previously through community discussion, so I see no blatant reason why you could not draft the article. That said, please make sure to establish notability through significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. See also WP:NALBUMS. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 05:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Cindamuse: I thought I told you to put the talkback template, but you didn't put it, but not that I mind though. And, what about the Sirens thing? I'm quite ignorant, I know that, but just asking so that I won't end up in a dispute resolution or AfD page or whatever. And I'm sorry to say the WTF thing as that time I was in a bad mood. I already said that I did not mean to be rude, and that's true. --Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 04:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Livelikemusic: Okay, fine Livelikemusic. I'll stop. Happy? Okay, I will not say bad things about you anymore, I promise. But I have a feeling that you hate me too (I don't know, just guessing). And, BTW, I did not know you are an admin. I'll stop disturbing or irking you, whatever. However, I already sent a Barnstar to you as a token before. Sorry for everything. And, furthermore, when we first met, you are like repeatedly deleting the page and putting a redirect while I keep reverting, for some reason, it felt like a personal attack to me too. And, when I uploaded some photos, till today I still don't get why you wanted to nominate speedy deletion for them. (Especially the picture on Taylor Swift's "Breathe".)All this what you did felt like an attack on me like you're irking me. One more- whenever I leave a message on your talk page, most of the time you would just delete it without any further explanation in your edit summary. Why is that so? Even when someone said about the Days of Our Lives thing, I told the user I think that it is meant to be Capital, but you deleted the whole thing too. I felt so disappointed that you did that, as if like you're hating me permanently. And, once again, MOST. I know it's not all, I understand. And don't call this cyberbullying as I already apologised to you about it. If you don't believe me, don't worry, be happy. I will confirm - I will never irk, provoke or backstab you anymore. At least, let's just understand and stop. Cheers!-Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 04:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I can understand how their comments may have felt like a personal attack. I'm sure it must be very frustrating. In all sincerity, I didn't much care for the "dude" reference, when it is very clear that I am a "chick". However, while "dude" may irk me, it actually just made me smile. They also said "WTF why are you the hell admin...", but I chose to ignore that as an emotional response. We all respond in our own way that may not correlate to the communication manners and means of others. I have enough grace in my life to go around. Sure, the editor spoke negatively. And your name was brought up in the conversation. However, they were speaking of their own feelings. Who am I to negate their feelings? That is not my role here. My response was simply to identify their concerns, address them, and point them in the right direction. There is more than enough conflict on Wikipedia to go around. One way to better manage our emotions and reactions is to weigh the validity to the concern and respond accordingly. We need to choose our battles carefully. Honestly, there was (is) nothing here that rises to the point of personal attack (as defined by the community) that warrants greater concern, warning, or admonishment. Again, if you have a dispute with this editor, I recommend dispute resolution. Cindy(talk) 23:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- Well it sure felt as a personal attack to me and you cannot define what isn't felt as a personal attack against me. It's a negative comment towards me, and I may definitely bring it up. It's also alarming you did not guide them to not make such comments, as you're supposed to comment on MATERIAL and EDITS, not the editor themselves. And they failed to do so. livelikemusic my talk page! 23:14, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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AFC you might want to take a gander at
Heya! Hope all is well. You might want to take a look at this AFC and perhaps review it if you have time? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kristen DiAngelo --Thank you much! SarahStierch (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hey there, girly! Thanks for the heads up. While I would decline this article due to lack of notability and reliable sourcing, along with original research, I need to stay away from this one. Too close to home. If I were to decline this, it would likely raise red flags with the subject of the article. Scary daze! Cindy(talk) 02:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the time you spent looking for sources, as I had done. If have now entered a bloc AFD. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know! Cindy(talk) 02:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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About an attack page
Hi,
You deleted Siptarski editori wikipedije as an attack page (G10). Don't worry, I'm not here to argue about it :-)
Would it be possible to know what was in it? I've been looking into some broader problems around other edits made by that page's creator; I'm just curious (and promise not to be offended by the content). bobrayner (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Bob! The article was written in Bosnian and attempted to denigrate Wikipedia and its approach to and presentation of interests of Serbs and Serbia. The editor stated that the article was intended to inform readers of their rights and then listed three different editors who would "face their crimes". Hope this helps. You sure you don't want to protest the deletion? Oh, but I jest.
Best regards, Cindy(talk) 01:17, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I can guess some names which might appear on that list. If it doesn't mention any other articles &c then I don't have to dig any further.
- Have fun. bobrayner (talk) 10:51, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Catcoin
Probably a good idea to close the AfD that was opened: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catcoin. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! Already done. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 06:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
New page deletion - BioScience Research Collaborative - Rice University
Hi there, last week you deleted our preliminary page for the BioScience Research Collaborative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioScience_Research_Collaborative_%28Rice_University%29 (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: numerous pages from rice.edu and others as indicated in article) We're making a page for this research building, which is a part of Rice. I confess to being totally new to trying to make a Wikipedia page, and the amount of information on how to make a page is rather overwhelming. I can't check what my student assistant wrote, because the page has been deleted, so I'm not sure how to correct the problem. Any assistance you can provide would be most welcome. RiceBRC (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC) RiceBRC
- Due to the blatant conflict of interest, it is recommended that you refrain from creating or working on an article for this subject. As far as your specific question, this article was deleted due to legal violations of US copyright law. In essence, when we create articles and contribute to Wikimedia projects, we are required to use our own words. The editor who created the previous incarnation of this article failed to follow the community policies and guidelines in this regard. Correcting the problem is rather simple. Firstly, make sure to write articles in your own words. Secondly, establish notability for the subject through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Hope this helps. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 06:44, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello - You made a lot of changes to the Volcani page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcani_Institute_of_Agricultural_Research). I understand that many changes were to try and improve the page according to Wikipedia standards, which is greatly appreciated, as I am a novice to Wikipedia and am trying my best to provide clear and correct information. As you saw, I made a serious response to your previous comments. Unfortunately, some of your latest changes do not accurately reflect Volcani or its history. Volcani is, first and foremost, a research organization which has been dedicated to agricultural research for more than 90 years. Its other activities, such as outreach, are secondary to Volcani's primary mission and contributions to the world over these years. I will change this back so that the emphasis is correct; I hope this is OK with you. It would not be good if Wikipedia was promoting mis-information. I would be happy if you would kindly explain why you removed all the information about the different Institutes and their research activities; this is for my edification. It seems to me that such material is fundamental information for someone who wants to learn about the Volcani Center. Was the problem lack of citations? I'd be glad if you could provide me with some specific ideas about what kinds of secondary sources you think are needed. I looked at the link you provided, but it was not very instructive for this type of subject matter. Thank you e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 12:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- This content was removed due to promotional content. In essence, Wikipedia is not the place to present every jot and tittle about your organization. This is better saved for the company's website. Remember, that this is not the place to manage the public image or representation of the company. Note that I've restored content to the lead, in accordance with the Manual of Style. If you have more questions, please feel free to contact me again, Cindy(talk) 07:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, this was clear. I was wondering if you have a source for the assertion that the center was "previously known as "Agricultural Research Station of the Jewish Agency for Palestine". My source (Katz, Shaul; Ben-David, Joseph (1975-06-01). "Scientific research and agricultural innovation in Israel". Minerva. 13 (2). Kluwer Academic Publishers: 152–182. doi:10.1007/BF01097793.
{{cite journal}}:|access-date=requires|url=(help)) gives the original name as "Agricultural Experiment Station", changed in the 1950s to "Agricultural Research Station", and then later in the 1950s to Volcani Agricultural Research Institute, finally becoming the Agricultural Research Organization in 1971 (p.156, of the cited source). If you don't have a more reliable source, I'd like to correct the history according this source (and give the citation). All the best, e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 12:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, this was clear. I was wondering if you have a source for the assertion that the center was "previously known as "Agricultural Research Station of the Jewish Agency for Palestine". My source (Katz, Shaul; Ben-David, Joseph (1975-06-01). "Scientific research and agricultural innovation in Israel". Minerva. 13 (2). Kluwer Academic Publishers: 152–182. doi:10.1007/BF01097793.
I have two more questions regarding the issues you raised with the Volcani page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Research_Organization,_Volcani_Center) 1. You suggested that: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. (March 2014). My question is, how may notability be proven? I typed "Volcani" into the search engine of "Haaretz" (http://www.haaretz.com/), an Israeli newspaper that publishes an English version, and got 7 pages of results (10 articles per page). Is this sufficient proof of notability? If not, what more is needed? If yes, can this issue be deleted? 2. Would a reference to Web of Science be sufficient to demonstrate that scientists at Volcani have published more than 8000 papers in the last 30 years in the international reviewed literature? The Web of Science (http://wokinfo.com/) is the premier research platform for information in the sciences. The number of articles published by ARO scientists in journals reviewed on the Web of Science database can be estimated by searching the database according to address, which is what I did to get to that number. Thank you e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Notability for organizations may be established through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. At this point, the article has none. You can also see the subject-specific guidelines at WP:ORG. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 07:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. I understand from the guidelines that newspaper coverage from the national and international newspaper "Haaretz" is sufficient to prove notability; the question remains, how to show this on the wikipage? To add a number of direct citations to the newspaper articles? If yes, in which part of the article? If not, what is the correct procedure? Once this is done, I am permitted to remove the issue notification? All the best, e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 12:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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