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J O Morgan

Thank you for this article. I note that you are a new editor, so I'll offer some helpful suggestions:

• You'll need more citations to verify some of the information presented. (I've marked which facts need citations.)
• As you move forward, you'll need to learn how to properly include inline citations. (I've corrected your article for now, but as you provide more citations, please do so properly. See Referencing for Beginners for pointers.)
• References without links are difficult to verify. As your references all appear to be relatively recent newspaper articles, it should be relatively easy to provide a URL for the article.
• External links without actual links are just pointless, so, again, please provide the URLs to go along with these links.

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David Hayden (author)

David Hayden (born in Dublin) is an author and publisher based in Norwich, England. He has lived and worked in the US and Australia.

His writing has appeared in gorse, the Yellow Nib, the Moth, Stinging Fly, Spolia and the Warwick Review, and his poetry in PN Review. He was shortlisted for the 25th RTÉ Francis MacManus Short Story prize.

His debut collection, Darker With the Lights On (2017) was published in the U.K. by Little Island Press and by Transit Books in the United States. It was shortlisted for the 2017 Republic of Consciousness Prize.

The twenty short stories making up this debut collection have been widely praised. Eimear McBride said: 'It's an open secret that David Hayden is one of the most interesting short story writers around. Why it's taken this long for his first collection to be published is beyond me but I, along with anyone with even the vaguest interest in looking at modernism anew, will be queuing up for a copy.' Kevin Barry described the collection as 'quietly innovative, subtle of tone, full of feeling - this is a superb debut', and Sinéad Gleeson said his stories were 'equalled in invention by their lyrical depth and stunning concision. Sentences sing, startle and ask to be reread immediately. An extraordinary debut that will find readers keen to read more from this gifted writer.' <ref><ref>

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Rónán Hession (May 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Collardoscope! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Wrong place

You put content about David on your Talk page. The proper path is to develop a draft in your Sandbox, or use WP:YFA to create a draft. I recommend you cut/paste the content. David notMD (talk) 23:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies - my first engagement with Wikipedia for some years and I seem to have forgotten everything I once knew. Will fix. Collardoscope (talk) 06:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

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I noticed you didn't get a response to your other post. I'm not sure where the rule is, but we can only have one article about an individual. Your concern is valid, so you should follow the directions on WP:MOVE and start a discussion about what to call the one article. Consensus determines what the result will be.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Rónán Hession

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 05:50, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Rónán Hession

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Laura Hopkins

Laura Hopkins is a theatre designer and ceramacist. Collardoscope (talk) 16:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

And? Do you want to write an article about her? Do you have several independent reliable sources about her that discuss her in depth?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Marie Elisabeth Roche moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Marie Elisabeth Roche. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ae245 (talk) 08:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• I'd noticed this too, but was going to leave it a little longer before draftifying, though it was over an hour since you had edited it so there was no indication you were planning to add any sources. You might want to rewrite the lead sentence: conventionally a Wikipedia biography starts "[Name] ([dates]) is/was a [nationality] [role]", where "role" is an indication of their area of Notability. Your article will have more chance of being approved in the draft review process if you explain, in the lead paragraph, why the encyclopedia should have an article about her. PamD 09:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Many thanks - am a bit of a novice at this abd will redraft along the lines you kindly suggest. All good wishes. Collardoscope (talk) 10:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  I see you've tweaked it a little but still not got a lead sentence telling us why she's notable. PamD 13:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks again - working on it! Collardoscope (talk) 13:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  The image is odd: you say "own work" and date it as 2024 but she died in 1971. "Own work" means "I took the photograph", not "I copied a photograph I own". Copyright in images is complicated, but something is amiss here.

  The article still needs rearranging, and it would be helpful to find a couple of references to reviews of her books, if it's as an author that you assert her to be notable. If it's as an artist, then find us articles about her work, or a note of what collections they are held in. Googling, I can find no indication that she was notable for anything except as Melvyn's wife, and "Notability is not inherited" so that would suggest a redirect to his article but not a full article on her. She has no article in fr.wiki, though is referred to as "a French Vicountess" somewhere. The combination of this and this suggests that she is a thinly-disguised character in Remember Me..., which might be worth a mention if sourced. PamD 14:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks again. Lise Roche wrote two novels in English which were reviewed very favourably in the TLS, Times and Guardian ('an unusually gifted writer'). These reviews were published on the dustwrapper of the American edition but are proving elusive. She's sadly overshadowed by her husband and as you'll know died young, and in tragic circumstances. I'm building a case, but it's proving a challenge. The image I used was with permission but not my own work and I've fixed that. She is indeed thinly-disguised in 'Remember Me' but the depiction strikes me as a self-serving travesty. Collardoscope (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Marie Elisabeth Roche (July 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 15:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you for your comments, which I have taken on board. Will revise, expand and resubmit. Collardoscope (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Marie-Elsa Bragg

Hi, apologies but I have reverted your changes to Marie-Elsa Bragg. I can see you were trying to improve the article, but Wikipedia cannot be used as a source - see WP:WINRS. You should not add external links; these should be added as references if you are using them to support statements. And you have tagged the image of Bragg as "own work", which suggests you know her, in which case you should not edit the article. Assuming you don't know her, please let me know if you would like any help formatting references etc. You can reply here and I'll see it. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for this heklpful reply - I'm still a bit of a novice. Although I did some Wiki editing some years ago I've forgotten much of what I thought I knew. I'll revisit, change the citations and amed the photo credit (it's a publisher's image I was told I could use). I'll get back to you. Collardoscope (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

When editing an existing article, please take care not to damage it. You removed several useful references, and also changed the referencing style. This one used the (unusual but perfectly acceptable) style of giving full references at the end rather than in the text, and you managed to disconnect a whole bunch of references which a later editor then removed as "unused". You left a large chunk of the article completely unreferenced, which is not acceptable for an article on a living person ("BLP" - biography of living persons). I think I've rescued everything now, but please take care another time. Thanks. PamD 14:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very muich for your help. I have no idea how I managed to mess up the references and citations and will review the current draft. I've been unable to workjmon the entry due to family commitments over the past few days. Collardoscope (talk) 14:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

The thing still missing is a reliable independent published source - or indeed any source - connecting Marie-Elsa to her maternal grandfather (who could well have an article on en.wiki if anyone was interested enough to create it, as rector of the Sorbonne during May 1968). I've linked him to his French article, but it doesn;'t mention his family. If you've got a published source, please add it. Thanks. PamD 14:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that Wiki pages are not regarded as a reliable independent published source! All I can find online about her grandfather is in Frnech (although that's not a problem) . Will work on this over the weekend. Thanks again. Collardoscope (talk) 15:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

If fr.wiki had mentioned his family I'd have expected to find a source for that statement, and tried to track down that source myself. Similarly, if you've got a source for her birth date, please add it - I've just reverted to the calculated date from her being 54 when quoted in a dated article, as the exact month was added by an IP editor with no source given. (I should have spotted that and reverted it, but my watchlist is absurdly long and I don't edit all day every day... just too much of too many days!) PamD 15:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

You have still not shown a source that supports Roche as her grandfather, nor one for her year of birth. Perhaps you "know" these things through personal contacts, in which case please read WP:COI and be aware that while "personal communication" is an acceptable reference in other places it is not so in Wikipedia. The only sourced info on her date of birth is that she was 54 when interviewed: her birthday might have been earlier or later in the year. Please do not add unsourced statements to any Wikipedia article, but especially not to one about a living person. Thanks. PamD 14:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - and I know you're right about circumstantial evidence about (e.g.) date of birth. A problem is that some key sources which give such information, such as The Daily Mail, are (quite rightly) not seen as reliable or even legitimate. And while there is no question that Jean Roche was her grandfather it's proving difficult to find any source that confirms this. Her mother, the daughter of Jean Roche, was a critically-acclaimed novelist published on both sides of the Atlantic, yet was not the subject of any obituary in English or French. Collardoscope (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Could you find one source to show who her mother was, and another to show that her mother was JR'S daughter? Quotes from books? (If it gets to that, then add the actual quote to the ref, as most readers won't have access to the text). PamD 16:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)