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Liantinis

I've removed Liantinis from the list of Greeks because you didn't provide his first name. Etz Haim 16:20, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

He was a crackpot anyway. If he qualifies, then so do ... Liakopoulos, Pleyris and Leventis. Chronographos 00:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Ο καθηγητής της Φιλοσοφικής σχολής του Πανεπιστημίου της Αθήνας Δημήτρης Λιαντίνης υπάρχει στη γερμανική έκδοση της εγκυκλοπαίδειας. Δεν είναι φρόνιμο να μην υπάρχει και εδώ.

Ρωμιοί

Μήπως υπερβάλλεις λίγο; Ρωμαίοι/Ρωμιοί ναι, «Έλληνες» όχι.--Theathenae 16:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Το Ρωμιός είχε καταστεί συνώνυμο του Έλλην στο μεσσαίωνα, δεδομένω του ξεπεσμού του τελευταίου σε θρησκευτικό όρο (συνώνυμο των ειδωλολατρών). Κατόπιν δε της ολικής επικράτησης των Χριστιανών, το Έλλην αναβίωσε ως εθνική ονομασία και χρησιμοποιούνταν πιά παράλληλα με το Ρωμιός από τους Βυζαντινούς. Οι Έλληνες το μεσσαίωνα ήταν πολυώνυμος λαός (όπως και κατά τη διάρκεια του μεγαλύτερου μέρους της ιστορίας τους). Ο Πάπας άλλωστε δεν κατηγόρησε τον Μιχαήλ Γ' και τους Βυζαντινούς ως Έλληνες (Graeci), συνεπώς κατ' αυτόν και μή-Ρωμαίους;

Δες το Οι Περιπέτειες των Εθνικών Ονομάτων των Ελλήνων (1960) του Παναγιώτη Κ. Χρήστου, εκδόσεις Κυρομάνος, για περισσότερες πληροφορίες. Η πληρέστερη έρευνα επί του θέματος. Τα Προλεγόμενα του Κωνσταντίνου Παπαρρηγόπουλου (1856) για κάτι πιο φρέσκο μετά την Επανάσταση, επίσης ασχολείται με τη πολυωνυμία των Ελλήνων.

Τελοσπάντων. Ποιό είναι το επάγγελμά σου, αν επιτρέπεται; Διακρίνω μια κάποια προτίμησή σου για τη καθαρεύουσα απ' τα edits στο κείμενο, ε; Φιλόλογος ή κάτι παρεμφερές; Colossus 16:54, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Πάλαι ποτέ. Έγραψα ολόκληρο κείμενο αλλά κόλλησε ο υπολογιστής μου και χάθηκε. Κρίμα.--Theathenae 17:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Runciman

"Ever since our rough crusading forefathers first saw Constantinople and met, to their contemptuous disgust, a society where everyone read and wrote, ate food with forks and preferred diplomacy to war, it has been fashionable to pass the Byzantines by with scorn and to use their name as synonymous with decadence."

Μήπως αυτό το απόσπασμα θα 'πρεπε να παραμείνει στο κύριο άρθρο;--Theathenae 14:05, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Το απόσπασμα προβάλλει την πολιτισμική απόκλιση μεταξύ των δύο παρατάξεων, οπότε υποθέτω ότι θα μπορούσε να ενοποιηθεί στο κυρίως άρθρο σχετικά με την κατά καιρούς αντιπαλότητα με τους Ρωμαιοκαθολικούς. Η επιφύλαξή μου μόνο είναι ότι η μειωτική σημασία που κάποτε είχε λάβει το "Byzantine" αποτελεί σήμερα πιά αναχρονισμό, και η παράθεση του [[Derogatory use of Byzantine ]] εντός του κυρίως άρθρου παραμόρφωνε την ιστορία παρουσιάζοντας τις δύο πλευρές σε μία δήθεν αναπόφευκτη και μόνιμη διαπολιτισμική ρήξη.

Image:Greek colonization of Italy.jpg

Did you make this map? Morwen - Talk 13:02, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I got it from a website. Have I not attached the correct licence? Colossus 14:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I can't say that for certain. However, it seems very likely. The map is clearly a scan of a printed map. You can't just take images randomly from the internet and claim them to be GFDL. Which website? I would not be surprised if they didn't have permission to use it either, certainly it is not GFDL unless the actual copyright holder has agreed to that. Morwen - Talk 14:37, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Here's the link: http://digilander.libero.it/Aida1/immagini/MAGNA.JPG The website makes no mention of copywrite issues concerning the images, and I didnt find anywhere a statement forbiding its use. What type of licence do I need to attach to the image? Should I include the address of the website I got it from? Colossus 14:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Lack of statement of copyright doesn't mean it's ok to use. {{fairuse}} or one of its sub-types would be the only tag that you could use, but I would rather see the image deleted as the fair use rationale is very dubious and creating a replacement map would be easy. I am wondering about Image:Soleto.jpg too now. Morwen - Talk 15:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

But if the owner does not forbid its reproduction, and if I state the origin of the image, where would the conflict with tat be? Creating a new map isnt easy and I would prefer to abandon the existing image only if absolutely necessary. Colossus 15:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyright doesn't work like that. You need explicit permission from the owner (the publisher of the book). Morwen - Talk 15:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll try and design my own map over the next few days. Colossus 15:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Οι χάρτες δεν είναι το φόρτε μου. Προσπάθησα να μάθω πως φτιάχνονται με αφορμή το Griko, αλλά με φτωχά αποτελέσματα. Άμα θέλεις, στείλε μου e-mail να σου δώσω ό,τι template έχω. Etz Haim 12:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Byzantine eagle.JPG

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Why is this image pending for deletion? Colossus 13:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Check WP:ICT#For_image_creators, I'm thinking of releasing some photos under cc-by-sa-2.5 some day. MATIA 17:22, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

comparison

What do you think about a comparison [1], between the definitiions given by Herodotus, Isocrates and Paul's Epistle to Galatians?MATIA 10:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Τί είχες στο μυαλό σου; Colossus 13:46, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Σκεφτόμουν ότι μπορούμε να δείξουμε ότι η έννοια του όρου διευρύνθηκε, ο πρώτος αναφέρει σαφώς το όμαιμον, ο Ισοκράτης λέει περισσότερο Έλληνας είναι αυτός που έχει ελληνική παιδεία παρά ο φυλετικά Έλληνας (όχι ότι ο τελευταίος δεν είναι), κ στον χριστιανισμό (όχι στην derogatory ή όπως λέγεται παρερμηνεία του όρου) δεν έχει σημασία αν είναι ο χριστιανός Έλληνας ή Ιουδαίος (έτσι όπως έχει την αναφορά για τους βαπτισμένους στο Χριστό στο γ:27 και γ:26, το γ:28 φαίνεται πως λέει ότι οι διαφορές καταγωγής, τάξης ή φύλου δεν έχουν σημασία ανάμεσα στους Χριστιανούς). Κάτι τέτοιο σκεφτόμουν, κι ελπίζω να μπορέσεις να το διατυπώσεις πολύ καλύτερα στα αγγλικά.

Όσο αφορά τις εικόνες, σου στείλαν την ειδοποίηση παραπάνω, επειδή δεν είναι σημειωμένη η πηγή της εικόνας. Πρέπει η εικόνα 1) να είναι public (πχ πολύ παλιά), 2) να έχει δώσει την άδεια ο δημιουργός, ή 3) να είναι fair use. Ψάχνω αυτές τις μέρες να βρω κάποιο "ελεύθερο" (από δικαιώματα) δικέφαλο αετό αλλά δεν βρήκα ακόμη. Δες πχ εδώ. Συγκεκριμένα, δηλ. για την φώτο, η απορία είναι ποιος την έβγαλε κι αν δίνει συγκατάθεση να μπει εδώ σαν GFDL. Αν δεν ξέρεις βάλε fair use μέχρι να βρούμε άλλη. MATIA 22:02, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Απ' τους τρείς, ήδη αναφέρω τον Ισοκράτη και τον Απ. Παύλο (τον πρώτο με απόφθεγμα κειμένου και τον δεύτερο με υπόδειξη πηγής). Υποθέτω ότι το όμαιμον του Ηρόδοτου θα μπορούσε να συμβάλει στο κείμενο. Ποιό απόσπασμα ακριβώς του Ηρόδοτου εννοείς; Όσον αφορά σύγκριση μεταξύ των τριών ερμηνειών δε νομίζω ότι θα ταίριαζε στη δομή του άρθρου. Υποτίθεται ότι ο αναγνώστης πρέπει να το διαβάσει σε μια σειρά πρώτα και μετά να καταλήξει σε συμπέρασμα. Αν αρχίσουμε να συγκρίνουμε απευθείας διαφορετικές πηγές απλά θα ανακατευτεί προς το χειρότερο.

Στην εικόνα με το δικέφαλο αετό έχω ήδη βάλει τα δικαιώματα και στοιχεία της εικόνας. Είναι φωτογραφία της εισόδου του Οικουμενικού Πατριαρχείου στη Κωνσταντινούπολη. Είναι δημόσιος χώρος και δεν χρειάζεται να πάρω συγκεκριμένη άδεια από ιδιοκτήτη, οπότε τί μας τα πρίζουν; Έτσι τη πάτησα και με το χάρτη με την Ιταλία, και έτρεχα μετά να βρώ άλλο. Colossus 14:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Το θέμα με τα πνευματικά δικαιώματα είναι λίγο περίπλοκο - δεν έχω βγάλει εντελώς άκρη. Περίπου τι γίνεται: αν είσαι εσύ ο φωτογράφος ή αν ο φωτογράφος δίνει άδεια είναι εντάξει. Αν είναι άγνωστος ο φωτογράφος μπορεί να στη σβήσουν για να μην έχουν μπλεξίματα με τον νόμο... Η γωνίτσα του νόμου που είναι ακόμα πιο σκοτεινή είναι το fair use. Ένα καλό σάητ με χάρτες είναι το www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ κι αν θυμάμαι καλά είναι στα σάητ που αναφέρονται στο λινκ που σου γραψα παραπάνω, έλεγξέ το.

Τον Ηρόδοτο τον είχα αναφέρει παραπάνω στη συζήτηση του άρθρου, δες κοντά στο

8:144 "the bond of Hellenic race, by which we are of one blood and of one speech, the common temples of the gods and the common sacrifices, the manners of life which are the same for all"
τὸ Ἑλληνικόν, ἐὸν ὅμαιμόν τε καὶ ὁμόγλωσσον, καὶ θεῶν ἱδρύματά τε κοινὰ καὶ θυσίαι ἤθεά τε ὁμότροπα

Αν θες πρόσθεσε κάποια απ'αυτά που έγραψα για τον Παύλο. κάτι σαν όχι διακρίσεις καταγωγής = έλληνες ή ιουδαίου, φύλου = άνδρας ή γυναίκα, ή τάξης = ελεύθεροι ή δούλοι, απ' την επιστολή προς γαλάτες.

MATIA 15:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:CIV

Hi. In the future, please refrain from calling another user a troll and aim for dispassionate, matter-of-fact edit summaries. Thank you. El_C 00:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Reverts

Colossus, you have broken the rule against multiple reverts twice now on the Republic of Macedonia article. This rule is Wikipedia policy and you can be blocked for breaking it. Please stop this. Jonathunder 00:50, 2005 September 3 (UTC)

Ok, I apologize. Even though User:CDThieme is put on ignoring the conclusion reached in the talk page. The Republic of Macedonia article should be protected until the issue of including OFFICIAL is permanently settled. Colossus 00:58, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, I know you know about the three revert rule now, but you've ignored it. Even though it's a real pain to copy and paste all the reverts one by one from the history page onto the page to request that you be blocked, I will do it. Jonathunder 01:45, 2005 September 3 (UTC)

As long as you do the same for all the other users that have broken the multiple reverts rule. Colossus 03:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Deucaliniote

I would also do a (partly) revert, but instead I left a note to that editor and I've asked Aldux not to revert him (to give him some time to understand the deal). You may check my notes at the user talk pages of those editors. Part of D. edits might be usable after proper (for a FA) re-wording and I've noted in the past (talk:Names) that we must analyse a little more about Romios. It's nice to see you around after that long time, by the way. +MATIA ☎ 12:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Hm... do you know anything about linguistics? +MATIA ☎ 12:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You may check User_talk:Matia.gr#Names_of_the_Greeks_.28Romaions.29. Thanks! +MATIA ☎ 00:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Akrites.JPG

I tagged Image:Akrites.JPG as {{PD-old-70}} because I thought it was created at the same time as the Acritic songs. If this is incorrect, please let me know. Superm401 - Talk 03:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Είδα το Talk:Greeks

Από εκεί διαπίστωσα την ύπαρξή σου. Μπορείς να στηρίξεις την άποψη αυτή με αναφορές και συνδέσμους? Επίσης, νομίζω οτι αδικούμεθα στα ακόλουθα άρθρα: Macedonians (ethnic group), Macedonian language, Ancient Macedonian language. Θα μπορούσες να βοηθήσεις κι εσύ την προσπάθεια που κάνουμε με τον User:Latinus και άλλους χρήστες? NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Γειά σου φιλε. Προσπαθω να συνεισφέρω όσο μπορώ, αν και τους τελευταίους παθητικά, παρακολουθώντας παρά λαμβάνοντας μέρος. Για πολλές πληροφορίες δές το Names of the Greeks. Είναι πρακτικά γέννημά μου. Θα προσπαθήσω να προσφέρω ότι μπορώ. Colossus 19:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Peter Charanis

Just curious, what do you think about Peter Charanis and his work regarding the Eastern Roman Empire?--Eupator 02:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

FYROM or Republic of Macedonia

After extensive edit warring, article protection, and the statement of the extended version supporting side regarding both the name of the article, and the intro paragraph, a poll has been placed. The brief version supporting side is to keep the name of the article AND the intro paragraph free of the UN name (FYROM). Keep in mind that you can select more than one of the options (8! to the moment) that may suit you. Please participate in the vote and ask other editors you know to do so too. Increased participation can make the outcome of the vote as NPOV as possible.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Σχετικά με το παραπάνω, πρέπει να δεις αυτό το σχόλιο και να πράξεις αναλόγως. Άμεσα.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Names of the Greeks

I've converted the footnotes (now ref is used) at Names of the Greeks, and I've noticed that Markezinis (previously marked as note 66, Markezines, "Political History of Modern Greece", book A, pp.208, Athens) is not used. I've tried previous versions (even Aug 18 2005, but it weren't used there either. Ιδέες; talk to +MATIA 06:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Νομίζω κάτι δεν πήγε καλά μετά τις 13 Αυγούστου. talk to +MATIA 06:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it's the Oxford dictionary. talk to +MATIA 06:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok I've finally found it (it was 25, 27 instead of 25, 26, 27) and I've converted the article to use ref. talk to +MATIA 08:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Den 8a pshfiseis?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 10:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Category Deletion

Please visit [2] and weigh in!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey on the use of Latinized/Greek names for Byzantine rulers Follow Up

Greetings. As a recent contributor to the survey on the names of Byzantine rulers at Talk:Constantine XI, you may be interested in the following. A mediation sought by Panairjdde resulted in the recommendation that "that proposal two from this page be implemented in the short term, until a consensus can be reached about proposal three". Accordingly, before resuming the editorial process, I am seeking feedback on whether option 2 or 3 of the former survey is more acceptable. Please state (or re-state) your opinion in the follow up survey on Talk:Constantine XI. Thank you for your time, Imladjov 14:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Oraio

Πολύ ωραίο αρθράκι που ξεκίνησες με το Names of the Greeks. Θα πάω να δώ αν το έχουμε και στο ελληνικό wiki. Politis 10:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Move request for emperors of the Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty

Hi. There is a move request for several Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty emperors at Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors. I tought you might be interested in.--Panairjdde 22:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Greek Empire

I noted your comments on the Talk:Byzantine Empire page and am in agreement. The opening paragraph has become the scene of a bit of an edit war with people seeking to emphasise the Greekness of the empire (despite the fact it is already dealt with in great detail further on in the article) to the detriment of every other identity. I think this can only lead to confusion to people looking at the page and is re-writing history in modern nationalistic terms. I think this might have to go to mediation although I doubt that will resolve it. Roydosan 14:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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Byzantine Motto

There is currently a disussion on about the motto of the Byzantine Empire:

Basileus Basileon, Basileuon Basileuonton ("King of Kings, Ruling Over Rulers").

As you appear to be the original editor who added this to the Byzantine Empire article (on 3 July 2005), would you please provide a citation for this? Thanks. --Grimhelm 11:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Derogatory_use_of_"Byzantine"#Merge

Perhaps you'd like to comment there? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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