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		This award is given to Compassionate727 for 5 reviews in the July NPP backlog reduction drive. Your contributions played a part in the 9895 reviews that took place during the drive. Thank you for your contributions.. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Midwest Food Bank

Thanks so much for attending the editathon at IUPUI last week, and for helping out others that were there! We are planning future events and hope you will be able to make it back. I saw the article you wrote, and it looks like it already meets WP:DYK criteria. I'd love to see it get on the main page! The 7-day window for eligibility would expire tomorrow, if you are interested in nominating. I'm happy to help if you've never done it before. Dominic·t 16:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dominic: Sorry, I should have responded to this sooner. As you can see, I nominated it for DYK per your request, though it's on hold while I continue to develop it. Regarding the edit-a-thons, as I mentioned, I will be in Michigan starting tomorrow through the end of the school year in May, so I won't be able to attend anything until then, with the possible exception of winter break, but I hope to be more involved after that! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I just saw the DYK. Excellent work Compassionate727! Hope all goes well in Michigan and hope to see you again. --Jaireeodell (talk) 19:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Compassionate727,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

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FYI

I noticed while doing some unrelated cleanup that the edits you made to University of Putra Malaysia to remove copyright violations were reverted - see Talk:University of Putra Malaysia#Please don't simply revert the article to older version. I've restored your version, but figured you should be aware. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery: Ooh, yes, I hadn't noticed. I really ought to clear out my watchlist… and then use it more effectively. Thanks for the heads up! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 02:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Midwest Food Bank

On 5 September 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Midwest Food Bank, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a two-year-old food bank contributed 150 semi-trucks of supplies to relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Midwest Food Bank. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Midwest Food Bank), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thank you for modeling many great values

Thanks for closing out the RFC over at Talk:Hunter Biden laptop controversy, and for adding a thoughtful follow-up when a dispute remained. Your edits embody so many values that I strive toward myself: they were well-written, they showed patience, and they demonstrated great ability to parse a lot of discussion and generate a succinct yet definitive summary. That was truly inspiring to a new editor. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@PhotogenicScientist: Well, I don't really know how to respond to this. I'm flattered, thank you! And welcome to the project; there's quite a learning curve, but you'll learn how to negotiate it with time, and I look forward to watching it happen! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 23:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that discussion over at ANB is really getting heated. Lots of opinions from lots of editors. I wanted to let you know that after reading pretty much all of it, I still think your close was fundamentally right. Though I think El C said it best here; while the close was right in its interpretation of not only !votes but of the strength of arguments, it seems a bit too short in comparison to the length of the RFC. It truly seemed to me in my first reading of your close that you had, in all likelihood, considered many factors in your judgement - such as WP:AGEMATTERS, strength of arguments, prevalence in reliable sources, and general sensibility regarding respecting RFC consensus (regarding the addition of new WP:WEASEL words post-close). Though, on subsequent reviews, not much of that was explicitly stated... so a literal interpretation makes it seem like a potentially insubstantial close.

Just wanted to leave you some words of (what I hope are) encouragement. I don't think your close was bad, despite what some experienced editors and admins have said. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 13:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@PhotogenicScientist: Well, it's a complicated issue, certainly more complicated than I had initially reckoned. For sure, a lot of this has been somewhat silly and litigious. However, Rhododendrites highlighted some salient points about the way syntax and topicality affects the degree to which a source is actually endorsing the notion that the laptop is definitely Biden's with those simple constructions. (I think: to be honest, I'm still struggling a bit to parse his source assessment. There are some where he's interpreted them differently from me and I can see why, and others where I don't. I find it quite intriguing.) Likewise, Slakr distilled the issue quite effectively; I think that the February 2022 The Guardian article saying that nobody doubts he owned it anymore, when combined with the large number of provided RS that didn't cast doubt on his ownership, is sufficient, but given Rhododendrites disagreed with me about whether or not some of those sources were casting doubt, it would seem to be a valid enough question to discuss. I had thought that even if the number of votes didn't indicate a clear consensus, enough other things favored the no's that it would be an uncontroversial close; this has certainly been an instructive lesson in both source interpretation and how nothing in AP2 is uncontroversial.

Of course, the sensible solution would be to just go with Slakr's proposal, which not only sidesteps the issue but better defines the history and scope of the controversy, which is what the first sentence of an article about a controversy should be doing anyway. But that wouldn't really please either side's partisans, so first we need to have a long argument about this as currently presented; welcome to American politics on Wikipedia. As a newcomer, I hope you haven't found this discouraging; although American politics is often like this, most of Wikipedia isn't. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:39, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hunter Biden laptop close

Hi Compassionate727, and thanks for closing the RfC at Talk:Hunter Biden laptop controversy. I'm hoping to get some clarity on the reasoning behind your close. How did you determine that "Some editors asserted that the ownership is still unclear but largely failed to support this with reliable sources, while editors opposing the adjective produced a plethora of recent RS that did not doubt the connection"? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: Sure thing. I was mostly relying on the source list produced by Adoring nanny because relatively few people cited any sources in the survey. I found that many of the earliest sources provided in that list used some kind of qualification, but that by the end of April, most sources were consistently describing the laptop as Biden's, without qualification, CNN's effort to avoid actually commenting on the laptop's ownership not withstanding (but even they seem to implicitly accept it). Given how pronounced the trend was and how recent sources exert a controlling influence, I considered that sufficient. Of course, if there were recent sources that still described the ownership as "alleged" in their own voice, that would be highly relevant, but nobody produced any solid examples of this during the discussion. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 11:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Since a close challenge was opened, I responded there. Speaking of which, please see the notice below. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

And thank you for the notification. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Close review requested in AP / BLP article. Thank you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry you are having to endure personal attacks because you closed an RFC. That topic area can be very nasty to edit in, and I commend you for having a go. I closely reviewed the “no” comments and will add a write up summarizing them tomorrow. The gist is that your close was correct. Mr Ernie (talk) 23:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mr Ernie: I certainly knew this could happen eventually when I decided to feature it prominently on my userpage and wouldn't have done so if that possibility bothered me. To be honest, I'm more amused than anything (this, of all occasions, is kinda silly). At this point, I do kind of want to collapse everything but Black Kite's original comment so people don't keep wasting time arguing about it, but I probably shouldn't say "this is irrelevant" in a discussion that is already about ability (or lack thereof) to judge that accurately, so I guess they can keep squabbling. It's no skin off my back, just the participants and whoever ultimately gets to close this. Thanks for the concern, though! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 00:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

One way to put an end to the AN thread would be for you to endorse a close review. Whichever way it goes, you will have shown your interest in promoting consensus and depersonalizing the content decision. SPECIFICO talk 14:07, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO: I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. We are already doing a close review, and I certainly don't have a problem with that, but I don't see how hopping over and saying so would actually change anything. It's not like the process or underlying issues will change as a result. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

What's being proposed is to have a fresh close, which several have suggested would be done by an uninvolved Admin. A "second opinion" in effect, which would either validate or modify the initial close. SPECIFICO talk 15:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO: Unless I misunderstand, it sounds like you want me to unilaterally withdraw my closure. If it were obvious the community would overturn it, I would, but given the level of division concerning the underlying merits, I think that would confuse things and risk just kicking the discussion elsewhere. It seems better to me to let this play out on the terms it already has. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

No, not my intent. It's just like a doctor when they refer you for a second opinion from another doctor. It doesn't mean they do not believe in their own judgment, just that they recognize the value of a fresh consultation. But it was just a suggestion, do as you see fit. SPECIFICO talk 15:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Uninvolved consensus til now seems to endorse the close. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry Ernie. Everything will be fine. SPECIFICO talk 21:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

?? —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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• Following an RfC, consensus was found that if the rationale for a block depends on information that is not available to all administrators, that information should be sent to the Arbitration Committee, a checkuser or an oversighter for action (as applicable, per ArbCom's recent updated guidance) instead of the administrator making the block.
• Following an RfC, consensus has been found that, in the context of politics and science, the reliability of FoxNews.com is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use.
• Community comment on the revised Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines is requested until 8 October.

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• The Articles for creation helper script now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at WP:AFCP to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to Preferences → Gadgets and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

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• Remedy 8.1 of the Muhammad images case will be rescinded 1 November following a motion.
• A modification to the deletion RfC remedy in the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been made to reaffirm the independence of the RfC and allow the moderators to split the RfC in two.
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My talk page, the advice column....

Is BHG threatening me? - UtherSRG (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: It can be hard to tell what constitutes a threat around here; people don't usually make explicit threats to escalate a grievance before doing so. She is certainly upset. To my knowledge, I have never interacted with her personally, but the little voice in my memory is telling me that she can be abrasive and has a reputation to that effect, although I feel nervous saying so without remembering what I read that gave me that impression, since she would (understandably) probably interpret that as an insult. It almost certainly isn't helping that you're already on the defensive because of other things. If she's making you nervous, undoing that closure like she requested would most likely put an end to it, but under the circumstances, I would be surprised if she pressed for sanctions against you and even more surprised if anything came of it. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

A recent comment on the state funeral RM led me to BHG's entry on WP:EDRC. I think she's gone past her imposed borders on this. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: Probably, but right now, you should not block her yourself: it would look too much like an involved block. If you think it merits sanctions, I would raise it at ANI. (It probably does, but I try to stay away from the dramaboards.) I'm not sure what would happen, as the community normally has very little will to sanction editors for "ordinary incivility," but that just makes it all the more remarkable that she has a logged editing restriction for it; the community must have gotten really fed up with her at some point.

Alternatively, it should be safe for you to warn her that she crossed the line, if you'd prefer that route. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah yeah no... I wasn't asking if I should take direct action. I've asked another admin to look into it. I, too, wish to avoid the dramaboards. I feel even asking someone on ANI to look into whether BHG has crossed the line is inviting their incivility... which is probably a fair indication that they have indeed crossed that line. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

And I thought perhaps that WP:EDRC would jog your memory about where you'd heard she was abrasive... - UtherSRG (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

So yeah, I filed at ANI last night, and though I got some slight chiding for doing it by some, a large majority backed me up and Tamzin blocked her for 12 hours. Thanks for the advice to go to ANI. It looks like BHG is not going to learn from this though and will flame out. That's too bad. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: Yikes. (Regarding her behavior; the ANI went rather smoothly, by ANI standards.) I've shared a couple thoughts of my own. (Redacted) [I]f the issue is really that she's consistently assuming bad faith rather than just tone-deaf, there's probably no hope she'll ever become better. I guess we'll see what she does when her block expires in a few hours. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 20:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Let's please not speculate about other editors' health. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Fair, my apologies. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Compassionate - I know you've already apologized but I just want to be clear that, for me, a pattern of such comments would be its own cause for a block. I'm not trying to beat you up for something you've already apologized for, just make note of the seriousness of the comment. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Yes, I realize now most people would consider such a comment a personal attack. I wasn't thinking about that when I said it, as I personally don't think about mental health issues that way; it's just a fact of life for me (and a large percentage of my extended family), and a reminder of the need to be compassionate to people we may find disagreeable. But most people don't share my perspective on the subject, and bringing it up in such a way in a setting like this was quite careless, among other things.

(Btw, feel free to revdel it if you want. I won't take offense.) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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You say "Personally, I believe that when a user occasionally infringes the edges of a very broad topic ban and the edits have nothing to do with the disruption that saw them topic banned to begin with, we should ask ourselves if the topic ban perhaps isn't too onerous before we accuse them of prodding to see what they can get away with. I don't believe an editor should have to read oodles of articles out of fear of violating a topic ban while doing routine maintenance like fussing with categories." Well, that is exactly what is happening. I want to edit categories so they are not in the wrong birth category, but have no done so because someone at one point in their life was mentioned that they were a low level employee at a religious organization. I have not done so because one out of a huge body of art work ended up in a religious organization or had a religious theme. I live in constant fear of being banned, and I have little to do about it. The most recent ban put on me came out of an ANI opened against someone else for uncivil attacks on my editing. I have not yet seen anyone admit there are any limits to this topic ban. Somehow all the material in J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings is now considered falling under the topic ban. I have even been told that discussing the ban at all could be interpreted as a violation of the ban, so I just have to sit in fear that I may make a misstep. Since I cannot discuss the ban, I could not even talk with anyone about the best way to approach getting it lifted, what examples might be better or worse to bring up, or anything else. The fact that I do not like being forced to rescind minor edits is used against me, I am given no credit for the fact that I willingly did so. I get no credit for all the times I reversed minor edits when on further looking at the article I realized I had been in possible violation of this extremely broad topic ban. This is onerous, and I still believe it was intentionally designed to make it impossible for me to abide by it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

• • On the example of the politician I brought up by name, as far as I can tell her involvement in a particular public relations campaign (which was intentionally trying to highlight people from a broad variety of walks of life who were also a member of a certain Church), and a newspaper mentioning her with regards to this is not at all as far as I can tell mentioned in the article on her. My comments with regard to editing the categories were because I was broadly reviewing certain categories, not related to religion, but related to when a person lived, and I noticed that this was a case of overappling such categories. I came upon the article by a search of those categories, not the categories by a review of the article. The way people have applied this ban I was shaking for fear after I made some edits to the article on Komaram Bheem. I did not mention this because I was afraid doing so would open it up for someone to try to propose a topic ban on the edits I made to that article just after watching RRR. I live in constant fear that the next edit I make will turn out to be a problem. There was also a time I was attacked for an edit on an article in which the article made no mention at all of the religion of the person, or any mention of the the person doing anything religious ever, but the creator of the article dug up some information not in the article to show that the person was in fact an artist who in fact had made some works their were either religious in nature or had been placed in a religious location (I cannot remember which it was) and so he was trying to get suggest that I was violating my topic ban by having made an edit on this article, even though the article only mentioned that the person had been a competitor in the Olympics Arts Competition and nothing else. However if I had mentioned that particular episode in the Administrative Noticeboard, I would have been probably threatened with more than a month of being banned from editing Wikipedia because it would have been decided that I was in violation of another topic ban on me because of the nature of the edit I actually did on the subject in question, and evidently speaking in even an oblique way to recognize that Wikipedia has certain policies and processes is not allowed for me, and if I do it I will be punished to the upmost possible.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
• I am tired of falsely being accused of "testing boundaries". This is an unfair attack and is built on assuming bad faith. The case just brought up was a poet, categorized as a poet. At the time it did not even cross my mind that some poets write primarily on religious themes. I just noticed she was a poet, which is all the detail that was given in the lead as a poet. This was a legitimate mistake from not thinking how a poet categorized as a poet might also fall under the rubric of "religious leader broadly construed", it was not an attempt to avoid or test any boundary. The fact that such innocent actions are given such a negative spin to me is a sign of how this topic ban is used to poison discourse against me and further my marginalization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
• The way this actually functions is that it makes it so I cannot edit almost any articles on artists born before 1700, because virtually all of them created some sort of work of art that was in some way religious, at least "broadly construed", and for a poet if there is a glaring inconsistency between the listed year of birth and the categorized one, and lots of other people, I have to do a deep dive into the article to ensure there is no issue, even if the intro mentions no religion and the categories mention no religion. I would be happy if someone would at least accept "if an article has a distinct introduciton and categories, and they do not mention religion, than it is unreasonable to say that the person is a religious figure broadly construed for the purposes of categorizing and editing the introduction, with the obvious caveat that no edits done in either of those ways involve things related to religion".John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
• Another unfair nature is when it comes up that the topic ban is so broadly construed that it takes a lot of effort to figure out what is and what is not covered by it, people do not consider if the edits that have any borderline issues are at all problematic or disruptive. No, they just say "let us figure out a way to make this more clear by making it more broad." It seems very unfair that people do not have to show that what they are complaining about is actually disruptive, and that I am punished still for actions done in August 2021, with no one being able to show any edit I have done since than that was in any way related to this topic and in any actual way disruptive or causing of the concerns that caused this topic ban to be imposed in the first place. No one at this point is producing any evidence that the topic ban issues are disruptive, except of the limits of the topic ban. None of these edits are actually disruptive to Wikipedia, but I am treated as an evil person who is trying to be disruptive because of these minor edits. While other people get to go around and being actively cruel and uncivil and I say nothing because the last time I did so it lead to an ANI and a Arbcom decision that has banned me from lots and lots of more stuff. So the lesson I learned from that is never complain about rude or uncivil remarks because doing so might get you punished. Although actually that ANI was opened by an editor I do not think I had talked to, I did unwisely contact another editor on the issue just before the ANI opened. I am tired of systems that punish victims.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
• I am now having very heavy anxiety. People are proposing a full, indefinte site ban because I even suggested lifting a topic ban. No one warned me this was even possible. I am just plain panicking.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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I just found this quote on my talk page about the topic ban. "The point of the topic ban was to stop disruption. It has done that. Now, honestly, the disruption appears to be the number of watchers looking for every reason to pile on Mr. Lambert. Even if it is done in good faith it is still a disruption to both his good faith editing and the betterment of the encyclopedia. I encourage Mr. Lambert to challenge these when they occur and force clarification. Either it is focused specifically on religion and religious figures or it is broadly construed. It cant be both broad and focused." There is also the mention of how one possible solution to issues where it was unclear or I was confused is that I can revert edits I made. Yet some people try to use the evidence of any reverts at all to push this. That advice up there seems to almost be at least readable as advice I should take something to AN. Maybe I went to far in even suggesting a end, but I think asking too much should not be grounds for deletion. I think Those two line, in relation to an issues where someone was trying to claim that I was out of line "the point of the topic ban was to stop disruption. It has done that." Are basically being ignored in the actual discussion. People are acting like changing a birth category from 1891 to 1890s because the text of the article says that the person was born in 1890, on an article that I did not even know was on someone more than just a generic poet, because the opening line was the only place in the article that gave a year at all, and that just said poet, is somehow disruptive in the extreme that it, and a connected request to overturn a topic ban, are grounds to ban me. I wish someone would point out the nature of what has been not occurred, and that these are not in and of themselves disruptive edits. However it seems a lot of the anger is directed at other things people were not able to ban me for at the time, and so they are using this as a pretext. Since at least some of those things were heard in arbcom and did not result in a siteban, that was voted down 9-3. And other places there were other discussions that chose various punishments, rehashing those things now does not make sense. This whole process is very frustrating. Most so because at this point no matter what I do with this quote I will be attacked. However since there are quotes like that posted by other editors on my talk page it really feels like I had good reason to believe that there was some feeling that some sort of change to the topic ban could be done. I will admit I did not chose the best way, but calling for me to be banned because I proposed ending the topic ban against "near unanimous opposition" is just not reasonable. Especially because the opposition came after my proposal, and the topic ban proposal itself makes it sound like the opposition proceeded my proposal. The process does not seem right. I wish I had seen that statement earlier, but I am not sure how to enter it in. The fact that others have said even vague talk about the ban itself could be considered violation of the ban makes tis difficult. Then there are the odd votes that seem to boil down to "we should ban this editor from editing Wikipedia because the last time he was banned from editing Wikipedia he admitted it was very hard on him, and it is good in the long run for us to ban people from doing things they enjoy doing so much that when we stop them from doing it." Some say "Wikipedia is not therapy", should this not apply to "Wikipedia does not ban people from editing because we think it is not good for them, just based on actually actions on Wikipedia." The only actual objection to my posting the day countdown was "this is a threat of coming back", which someone else seemed to respond to as over the top, and I really do not see any reasonable way to see this as a threat. Also, if this was really super someone should have made a motion then to A-block talkpage access and B-extend the block for x amount of time because of the disruption. Taking the proposal on now seems unfair. As does the way the banning proposal tries to use asking questions about the edges of a ban as grounds for imposing a more severe one. The reality is there is a process I did not know was under the ban, but a comment in a related discussion made me think it might be. If I had not asked about it, I would not have known for sure. I did ask a second time, but that was because at least one editor advised me to seek further clarification. I really think treating asking questions as a sign of trying to avoid something, instead of being a sign of trying to make sure you do not accidentally do something and then need to ask permission, is an unwise way to start discourse, and I really, really do not see how that is a reasonable main point in choosing to ban someone from editing Wikipedia for at least a year, with nothing making it very likely that a reverse would happen even after a year. Sorry this is so long.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thankyou for your good imput on the AN discussion. I have to admit I wish I could turn back the clock a week and never have opened that. I am not sure I will even trust myself to edit even a space away, even on an article I have triple read, for at least a few days. I think for the time I will focus on 1890 and moving backwards. Moving forwards from 1608 moves faster, because there are 200 give or take articles a year instead of just over 5,000, but it seems more stressful in some other ways. I am not sure what else to say.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou again

Thankyou for your comments on the new AN discussion. I am thinking my best course at this point is to say nothing. Do you think there is anything I can post that will improve the situation, or do you think it is best I stay away?John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

• I am just at a loss at what I could say. Thnakyou for your comments.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Johnpacklambert: Right now, the most important thing is to show the community that you understand its concerns and are taking them to heart. I would avoid saying anything, unless it is to ask clarifying questions. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou

I did read through your suggestions. I have been trying to at least review the whole if not read the whole of some articles before doing any editing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi there. Last month, you reviewed the article Nizar Hassan, and for that thanks a lot! I would like to ask you something else, if it's ok. I understand you "reviewed", but not "patrolled" the article, right? Still, regardless if it's patrolled or not, according to what I understand, since the article is older than 90 days it should be indexed by Google, is that right? It is not yet indexed, so either I'm understanding something wrong, or there is a problem with the article (?). If you cannot help me with my question, would you mind referring me to who could do? Thanks a lot. Samer.hc (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. This was disappointing to see (and I only saw it because of the mention). Archives typically shouldn't be edited (as it says in bold at the top of all of them). If the discussion really needs a close, it can be unarchived first. I'd also take issue with the wording of your close. Characterizing Tamzin's objection as disagreed with the eventual outcome and chose to object to how the RfC had unfolded rather than present their own arguments and attempt to salvage a situation they perceived to be hopeless seems like it's assigning something like bad faith, like they're filibustering rather than highlighting actual issues with the RfC itself. And the characterization of my own comment, which includes "per Tamzin", as mostly or solely because they felt it was frivolous doesn't read as accurate, either. You've effectively just misrepresented a third of the participants and decided their position had no merit. All this said, I'm not going to bother challenging the outcome. If anything, I'd probably question the idea that it actually needed closing, but if it were to close (granted, I'm biased), I think the best would just be something that acknowledged the objections to the RfC and say no consensus for any downgrading of The Economist from "generally reliable". — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Your complaints regarding my characterizations of comments are fair, and I apologize to Tamzin and Sideswipe9th if they interpreted them as an aspersion, because I certainly didn't mean it like that. Pile-on voting is a thing, especially in situations like this where the exigence isn't obvious to an outsider, and in my opinion, a person would be justified in wanting to start over on better footing instead of trying to fight it when one side of a dispute had been inadequately represented for a significant portion of the discussion. After all, poorly executed discussions often lead to outcomes that don't actually represent the community's wishes. Your comment that I misinterpreted your vote by overlooking the "per Tamzin" is also correct, although I think it is an error of attribution only: other editors, like LokiTheLiar, HouseBlaster, and Silverseren, commented solely that the RfC shouldn't have happened, rather than it unfolded poorly (as Tamzin had argued).

I disagree that I dismissed the opinions of those who voted option X as meritless. At least, I didn't mean to; I may well have communicated this poorly. Had option X been the prevailing sentiment, I would have concluded that consensus was to just discard the discussion, but it was chosen by a little less than a third of participants. With almost two-thirds of participants selecting option 1, and no arguments for downgrading it prevailing due to policy merits (indeed, barely anyone argued that this was the correct course of action), I don't see how I could find anything but an affirmative consensus that it is reliable in this area. If you disagree, I'd be grateful for your further insights.

I'm aware that it is unusual to edit archives, and I'm willing to adopt a different procedure like the one you suggested, although that seems like more work for no obvious benefit. Normally, I leave a message on the active talk page noting that I have closed an archived discussion, which handles the visibility problem; it's my fault for forgetting to do that here. I too was unconvinced a closure was necessary at first, but it was requested at CR, and after seeing the wrinkle added by the option X voters, decided I could see why it was requested. I suppose the fact that we're now discussing what the correct outcome should have been further evinces its utility. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

With respect to your statement in the closure that Genericusername57 is cautioned that the community felt this and the two related RfCs were frivolous and that he should not open similar RfCs in the future, do you actually see a consensus that the community thought that the RfCs were frivolous? While a minority of editors expressed that view, I don't really see why that language is in the closing summary. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Red-tailed hawk Between the number of people who directly said as much and the number who said things along the lines of "obviously it's reliable," yes, I felt like there was a consensus that the discussions weren't warranted. I'm not wedded to this though and would be willing to strike it if you (or anyone else) felt it was inappropriate. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 04:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I do also want to emphasize that I think the vast majority of the close was thorough, and I appreciate the time that you put into it, and it's largely very good. But I do have a problem with that line being included.

Something along the lines of "obviously it's reliable" doesn't necessarily render a discussion frivolous if there's a WP:CONLEVEL issue going on within a topic area (as appears to have been the case prior to the RfC). It's also a conclusion of consensus w.r.t. a conduct issue, and I really don't think that there's a consensus that the RfCs were in some way a true conduct issue on the part of the person who started it; certainly it wasn't enough to give them a formal caution in the closing summary. I'd kindly ask that that part of the summary be struck as out-of-scope for the discussion and also not reflecting the community consensus. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk: Reasonable points. It has also occurred to me that as a general rule, it may be better to leave formal conduct warnings to admins. Struck. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 10:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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The comment I redacted was a UCOC violation in what is doubtless going to be a discussion with high visibility outside the project. I'm asking you kindly not to edit war with me over it, it's not worth it. – Joe (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@Joe Roe: Was just about to leave a message on your talk page, but you beat me to it! I won't edit war with you, of course. I agree with you that certain parts the edit are inappropriate and should be redacted (perhaps more of them than I did; if you think my proposed redactions were too conservative, I'd be glad to hear your input). But IMO, other parts of the rationale (like the part comparing V2022 to the mobile version) are fine and should be left intact. It's precisely because this is so high-visibility, and some outsiders will probably come away with the impression that we don't care what they think, that we shouldn't be stricter than we need to be. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 05:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

See wikt:gimp#Etymology 2. Their support is still included in the count, but as I said in my edit summary, if you can't make a point without belittling others, you can't expect that point to stand. For me high-visibility means being stricter in communicating that Wikipedia is not a space where anything goes, because we don't care what people who refuse to abide by our core conduct norms think. – Joe (talk) 06:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

…looks we probably just aren't going to agree on this one. That's fine, I'll drop it; it's not like he's the only editor saying those things. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:11, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi! Can you do anything for WP:REX#Otto John please? Thank you – Doc Taxon • Talk • 12:51, 26. Jan 2023 (UTC)

Ooh, yes, sorry for forgetting to reply. I can't promise any results, but I have made the request. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot! Keep me posted. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 17:37, 26. Jan 2023 (UTC)

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@Doc Taxon: Not yet. Might be another week or so. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 10:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I'm waiting – Doc Taxon • Talk • 08:17, 9. Feb 2023 (UTC)

Hi, have you got some news? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 07:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

No, I'll ask about that, although I can guess the answer: it seems this is only held by the British Library, which I know from experience does not lend works it considers old or rare. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for asking in advance ... – Doc Taxon • Talk • 19:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Doc Taxon: Librarian says it is as I guessed. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 20:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, you closed this Talk:LGBT_grooming_conspiracy_theory#RFC_on_conspiracy_theory_in_the_name. This is not an appeal to re-open it, nor to discuss the subject of it. I do want to clarify a few things since you have argued for sanctions implying that I am being disruptive (it sounds like to me at least), were you?. I dont agree with the essay on drop the stick, wikipedia is a collaboration and nothing is a win or a loss, so I dont share that frame of mind. Stick is like a counter-WP:SOAP argument and presumes that I am advocating something, which I deny. I dont recall ever editing one of these gender articles (cant rule it out) but dont recall, thus a SOAP argument is out of reach here. That said, clearly the RFC was poorly ill formed, that happens at times, and I acknowledge that and moving on past the carcass on the street even though its rot might be odious to some.

There was WP:BEFORE above in Talk:LGBT_grooming_conspiracy_theory#Conspiracy_theory_in_the_name and you will note in comments editors said:

• "Do LGBT people ever 'groom' children, obviously yes"
• "My belief is that it should be "nonjudgmental language", (refer NPOV)."
• "Is LGBT grooming a conspiracy theory?" That is not for us to answer, go by what RS say"

Given the comments I ran an RFC to discuss it. I recall that there was only one source VOX that used the term, (another blog used it) and some other SYNTH that editors had put together for it.

AGAIN THIS MESSAGE IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO RE-HASH THE POINTS OF THE RFC, NOR THE CONTENT so I do not seek nor request rebuttal on any of the content comments above. This message is to point out that there are other editors also discussing this matter and the RFC was not made in bad faith as you seemed to allege in your close.

Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: I should have chosen my words better; I was much too curt. I probably also should have paid more attention to who I was talking to; I see now that have been editing for almost twenty years and have ten thousand edits under your belt. I had assumed you were more inexperienced, for no particularly good reason; that's on me. Sorry.

With respect to WP:STICK, you're correct that Wikipedia is a collaboration and not, for example, a debate society, but I think you are paying too much attention to the language of "winning" and "losing." You could just as easily replace it with "the majority of editors/consensus agreed/disagreed with you" and the point would be the same: sometimes there is little or nothing that could reasonably be gained by continuing a discussion, and in such cases it is better to find something else to do.

Also, I want to clarify that I wasn't proposing sanctions against you. I didn't even mean to threaten them, although I understand why you read it that way. I was trying to highlight how insisting on having a discussion that everybody else wants to move on from can be considered disruptive. Sometimes I see new editors try to prolong a conversation forever, thinking that if they keep at it, they'll eventually sway enough people to their side; usually, they just end up topic banned for being annoyed. I was wanting to warn you about that possibility so that you don't push too hard and make yourself noxious to other editors. Now that I have acquainted myself with your tenure, I see you probably didn't need any such warning.

As to the merits of the underlying content dispute, you may actually be right. I haven't really looked at it closely enough to have my own opinion, but it wouldn't surprise me, as Wikipedia editors overall have a strong pro-LGBT bias (stronger than their broader left-wing bias is). I suspect you felt that the talk page discussion was at an impasse and were trying to use the RfC to draw in new voices, which is not unreasonable, but there's two things you should keep in mind. 1) RfCs exist to solicit opinions from outsiders on specific proposals (e.g., include or exclude X text), not statements of fact. If you want to propose renaming the page, RMs are the way to do that. 2) You don't want to seem to be reviving and relitigating a settled question under the pretext of soliciting outside feedback, which many felt like you were doing here (although, on a second look, I think there was some reflexive piling-on there and I should have paid less attention to it).

Personally, I think that if you wanted to, it would be reasonable to start a RM proposing to move the page to "Groomer (anti-LGBT slur)" because that proposal generated significant support in the immediately prior discussion and didn't get a full hearing in August's RM.

…I'm tired and not sure I addressed everything. Let me know if you have any further questions. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I think I've persuaded myself that my close was actually pretty bad. I'll write a new statement in a couple hours, but I need to quickly finish an assignment before class first. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the update. My feeling was that the move discussion was flawed in that many editors seemed to discuss that conspiracy theory was being used as nothing more disparaging of the subject could be found (despite the lack of sources that actually supported it). Then the moved was closed by a subject matter advocate and I felt that the close could have been lacking impartiality. I felt the move discussion veered off course into a discussion of what better disparaging names to use, which I felt was off topic and helped to steer the discussion back to the outcome. So I thought I would open a discussion (RFCbefore) and then later run an RFC, to focus on the limited claim as if was actually a conspiracy theory and then later it could maybe be discussed what the name of the article should be (noting maybe it would still retain that name, or maybe some adjustment). It seems the advocacy on the article (and I suppose the large topic) is strong so I thought that a focused RFC would be the best approach (which later I subsequently botched). Off topic, I previously got spanked for edits in a southeast asian nation (that i eventually got a tban for) mostly the result of excessive reverts (with curt edit summaries) of what I felt were also NPOV/BLP violations. I didn't realize the editors on that article were highly organized and had a noticeboard focused on politics in that nation to alert editors interested in that topic (I wasn't myself super interested in the topic so I didnt know) so I soon ran afoul of reverts and it looked like bullying on my part. So I somewhat changed my approach to run more RFCs with the intent to shine light on things that I didn't find were neutral rather than directly editing in these topics. I often wade into topics and find that whatever the subject may be, there are some editors that seek to disparage it (be it a BLP on a undesirable figure such as Harvey Weinstein) or a former brutal dictator's wife. The subjects are deserving of the negative view (to some extent), but the dogpile I find a bit too much and can go over the top in that it becomes a virtual extrajudicial court procedure. I had never heard of this LGBT article subject until seeing something in the news and came across it, and then noticed yet another wikipedia conspiracy theory name in the title. I took more interest as I hope we don't have a conspiracy theory for so many articles, but that is what it seems. Anyhow, thanks for your comments and happy editing. As you said, I have been around a long time and dont take it personally. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 02:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 17#Dennis Rogers

Hi, this is probably the correct close, but I'd like some further explanation. There's no consensus, sure, but given how keep is an option more disliked than liked I feel an elaboration as to why you felt that the no consensus should default to keep in this instance is warranted. (I don't mind the NAC; the gamut of RfD admins commented in that discussion.) J947 † ^edits 05:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy to elaborate. IIRC, I calculated the votes as seven keep, six disambiguate, three delete, and one who supported either of the latter two. Is is quite true that more people disfavored than favored keeping, but this is also true of all other proposals. Consequently, there was clearly not a consensus to do any particular thing. Normally when that happens, we just… throw up our hands in exasperation and retain the status quo ante because that's the only fair thing to do. That said, sometimes it makes sense to override the status quo with whatever proposal is least objectionable overall; I think that was what you were asking me to speak about. I've done that before, but in this case, where ~40% of participants expressed that keeping the redirect was their first choice, the status quo is too popular for me to just override it like that. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the elaboration. I would have counted slightly differently, and perhaps closed the discussion differently, but obviously I'm biased here. :) J947 † ^edits 21:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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I just got a post from another editor who has threatened to try to expand my topic ban. This despite the fact I have avoid any arguments and tried my best to comply with the issues he brings up. I find the whole behavior here very unfriendly. Especially since I am never allowed to defend myself. No amount of complying with various requests seems to be honored or appreciaited. I am frustrated and afraid. I canot seem to avoid people making threats to further limit my ability to edit.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert: Hello, sorry for the massive delay! Between finals week, graduation, traveling outside the country, being without a computer, and now bracing for a foot surgery, I have not had much time for editing. It does look like the confrontation fizzled out, so that is a plus. As far as the crux of the dispute goes, it looks like the editor was merely frustrated that you have been creating categories "occupation X of place Y" without always first verifying that the corresponding "occupation X from place Y" does not already exist, and vice versa. I would say this is a reasonable grievance; this is something you need to check. Of course, I expect you already do check normally and just forget sometimes, which is quite human and I won't berate you for. I see that you normally use HotCat to modify categories, and that can help you; if the category already exists, HotCat will auto-fill the remainder of it, so if you go to add someone to, e.g., Category:Military people from the Russian Empire and it doesn't auto-fill, that should serve as a nudge to check whether the corresponding "of" category exists. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi! I found you through the Translators Available page. I was wondering if you'd be free to help out with sorting out an excessive citations issue over at Siege of Nueva Concepción. The main contributor to the page has a habit of citation overkill and I'd love to fix the current citations, but I don't speak Spanish (which is the language a lot of the sources are in). If you have the time, could you help out? It's fine if you don't want to though :] Thanks!! Suntooooth, he/him (talk/contribs) 18:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

When I have a bit of free time, I'll take a look at it. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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New Page Review queue April to June 2023

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

Administrator changes

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Technical news

• Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.

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Siege of Nueva Concepción

Thank you for the rewrite of Siege of Nueva Concepción! I've always wanted to properly rewrite it (as is maybe evidenced by my constant typo + grammar fixing!) but never had the energy. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 15:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it was a mess. I figured that while I was reading every source to fix the overcite issue, I may as well just rewrite it. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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Administrator changes

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Interface administrator changes

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The Signpost: 31 August 2023

• From the editor: Beta version of signpost.news now online

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

Administrator changes

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• Dwheeler
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• Royalbroil
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CheckUser changes

Bradv

Oversighter changes

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• Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
• A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

Technical news

• Special:Contributions now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. (T324166)

Arbitration

• The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

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New Page Review article queue, March to September 2023

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PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

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Administrator changes

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• Cyphoidbomb
• Davodd
• Hog Farm
• JamesR
• KnightLago
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• TonyBallioni
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• An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

Technical news

• Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

Arbitration

• Remedy 9 ("MarioProtIV topic ban") of the WikiProject Tropical Cyclones case has been rescinded.

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Wikipedia and copyright

On my talk page, you added:

Hello WikiUser70176! Your additions to Memorial of Rebirth have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 19:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello

• 1) I have no problem at all with the removal of my edit from the Memorial of Rebirth page. I do not care one bit if the description of the monument is on its page or not.
• 2) That being said, I do have a problem with the accusation of me violating WP:COPYRIGHT. While I have been editing Wikipedia for more than 15 years and never ever have I violated the copyright policy, it is not inconceivable that I made a mistake. All too possible. Out of curiosity, what copyrighted material are you talking about? I just translated the description of the monument from its wiki.ro page [1]. The description of the monument (of the 4 elements, that is), per the designer's specs, appeared in many Romanian newspapers at the time (2005) - which I could cite, but this being a Wikipedia in English, I thought best not to as would be unverifiable by the majority of the readers. Consequently, I just translated the section describing the monument from its Romanian page, which in itself does not cite anybody because it is public knowledge by now: it's a description of a public monument. Could you clarify for me what is the problem, please? Because I am thoroughly confused.
• P.S. The [News article] you put on the wiki.org page though, funnily enough, copied the Wiki.ro page and not the other way around. Check the dates: Wikipedia.ro description of the monument is from 2007 and your DC News article is from 2019. Mr. Flaviu Predescu, the author of said article plagiarized Wikipedia and not the other way around. Of course, it's all too plausible that both wiki.ro page and Flaviu Predescu plagiarized from a third, unknown source, as the historical section of the magazine cited on wiki.ro page is now defunct. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that I have not violated WP:C. So please un-grey (un-block?) my edits from the history of the page. I will certainly not revive my edit to the memorial's description, rest assured, but I feel that accusation of violating WP:C is tarnishing my reputation needlessly. By the way, I see that my edit adding the infobox to the page is also greyed out and surely there is no reason for that either. If there is some other problem I overlooked, please let me know in the space below. Thanks! ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 23:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@WikiUser70176: It seems I misunderstood the situation. I did not realize that the article that CopyPatrol found was translating the Romanian Wikipedia article, although for other reasons that doesn't make the situation entirely clear for me. Responding to your points in no particular order:

• It is fine to copy or translate content from other Wikipedia articles. However, you need to note the source of the material in your edit summary, so make sure you do that next time.
• In this case, though, the Romanian Wikipedia article was copying without proper attribution from elsewhere, so you don't want to simply copy that into English Wikipedia because that introduces the same problem here.
• The description itself should be presumed to be copyrighted unless evidence is found otherwise. I found this from the Romanian Wikipedia article which attributes the descriptions to government pamphlets; normally, I would presume the descriptions to be written by a government employee, which in Romania's case leaves me uncertain on its copyright status (Romanian copyright law seems to perhaps be less strict than American). However, you said that you know the description was actually written by the monument designer himself. I would presume that he owns the copyright then; that it was published widely may or may not be evidence that the description is freely licensed or public domain.
• Per WP:RSUEC, English sources are preferred, but non-English sources are fine if they are better sources for other reasons (e.g., only they contain the necessary information). It's definitely better to cite a non-English source than leave the source unclear. Keep in mind that non-speakers of a language can usually get at least a rough sense of what a source says by running it through a machine translator.

So this matter is actually rather complicated. If you have a source that identifies the description as the author's, I would say that it's fine to re-add the descriptions alongside some note that they are the artist's own description (rather than someone else's), because then the descriptions are an important part of understanding the work. If you can't find such a source anymore, then I'm not sure what the right action is.

Regarding your last question: the edits where you added the infobox and did other things were deleted because they are the same edit (or after the edit) where you added the memorial's description, so hiding those revisions was necessary to actually remove the description from Wikipedia. Because you are the only person who edited in that period, though, this is not an attribution problem; everyone can still tell that it was you who added it by comparing the revisions before and after the deleted ones. I can't undelete the edits because I'm not an administrator; I only requested that they be deleted. You can ask the deleting admin (Nthep) to do so and point him to this conversation.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I hope I clarified everything adequately for you. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Romanian copyright law says "simple facts and data" are ineligible for copyright. I'm not sure the descriptions of the monument come under that heading. If not, then the standard Romanian copyright term of lifetime +70 years applies - there isn't an exemption for government works.

Compassionate is right in the reason why the edits to the infobox were also revision-deleted. To work properly, all the revisions in which the copyrighted material appeared need to be hidden from view. otherwise someone would only have to look at old revisions in the article history to see the copyright violation.

It's unfortunate that the ro-wiki article was under-cited and I think the best we can say about this is that it's an accidental and unintended copyvio where the transalation and addition to the en-wiki article was made in good faith. Nthep (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely. I agree with you both. I'll leave a better edit summary next time. Thanks for clarifying why the edits were greyed out! As for the monument's description, like for everything else, best to leave it out if uncertain. I found more sources with that description, but all are dated after the wiki.ro edits, so I don't know which is what. I know about the naming of the four elements because I was there a bit after they erected it and its unpopularity caused quite a stir, so I didn't think it necessary to find a source for that, since it's mostly public knowledge. Anyway, it's not big deal; I just randomly stumbled upon that page, it's not something I'm an expert in. Thanks again to you both for the assumption of good-faith, which is not misplaced in my case, and happy editing. ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 19:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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@Selfstudier: The current RM has been widely attended. If it does close without finding a consensus, immediate further discussion would almost certainly not change that and therefore prove to merely be a further waste of time. This is what editors supporting the moratorium wish to prevent; their desire to do so is not likely to be contingent upon the result. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 19:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I can see that logic, but I hope you can see mine as well. The moratorium was proposed early on in the main discussion by move opposers with a view to shutting down the move discussion, which fortunately failed, while the discussion has been twice extended instead. Selfstudier (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

Administrator changes

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Bureaucrat changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Phase I of the 2024 RfA review is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the requests for adminship process.
• Following an RfC, the inactivity requirement for the removal of the interface administrator right increased from 6 months to 12 months.

Technical news

• The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

Miscellaneous

• The 2024 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ＊ぜ, AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Doǵu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, MdsShakil, Minorax, Nehaoua, Renvoy and RoySmith as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
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RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

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